[00:08] yes, that's exactly the bug I learned to love ;-) [00:08] * ximion needs sleep too [00:08] gn8 [00:09] btw, robert_ancell: I just added a "status" command to appstreamcli - that should make diagnosing common mistakes even easier [00:09] (it checks for the distro metadata and cache status and returns some useful information bug reports can attach to rule out an issue with the data itself) [00:09] I hope we won't need it, ever :) [01:47] ximion, nice === darkxst_ is now known as darkxst === Drac0 is now known as Guest41320 [08:59] o/ [09:01] hey willcooke! [09:01] morning seb128 [09:04] hey ho [09:04] morning Laney [09:05] hey Laney! [09:05] what up chaps [09:05] happy friday [09:06] happy friday! [09:08] willcooke, so I tried installed packagekit instead of the aptdaemon compat, things work correctly (nautilus program install, codecs, langpack) but looking to rdepends ubuntu-drivers-common has in its description [09:09] - a PackageKit plugin for WhatProvides() for types MODALIAS and [09:09] HARDWARE_DRIVER, to do the same queries as above through the PackageKit API [09:09] (for using in non-distro specific GUIs). This works with aptdaemon's [09:09] PackageKit compatibility layer (python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat) and with [09:09] PackageKit's apt backend, but _not_ with the PackageKit aptcc backend. [09:09] I don't have any hardware to test drivers install though [09:09] unsure if that's still true [09:09] maybe pitti knows [09:09] oki, thanks seb128 [09:10] davmor2, do you have non intel gfx hardware, ideally nvidia I expect ^ [09:10] ahhhh [09:10] interesting thought.... [09:10] if users have non-intel gfx cards, U8 wont work for them anyway [09:10] Laney, we landing the greeter hidpi corruption fix, feedback is still welcome if you want to test, might be easier now that it's in the archive ;-) [09:10] (at least I think that's still the case0 [09:10] ) [09:10] willcooke, it's not only video though? [09:11] ahh [09:11] willcooke: I might have, nvidia, prime, amd, and intel boxes [09:11] seb128, maybe in most cases the drivers would have been installed before u8 [09:11] davmor2, ha! Nice! [09:11] davmor2, I'll speak to you off-line about some changes coming up [09:11] davmor2, got time for a quick phone call later? [09:11] I think it'll be quicker === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 [09:11] willcooke: sure [09:12] willcooke, yeah, but since things we working nicely I was pondering doing the switch in the default u7 install to avoid having unity8 to remove installed things [09:12] hummmmmm [09:12] let's see [09:12] but I guess we can stick to the plan [09:12] safer [09:12] +1 [09:12] let's not get carried on [09:12] it's already good news than most things work ;-) [09:13] haha [09:13] yes [09:26] Laney, Trevinho, willcooke, desktopers: I'm on vac tonight until end of the month, if there is anything I should look at/you need me for before that now is a good time to mention it ;-) [09:26] :) [09:26] * Laney is off for the second week of that too [09:28] seb128: you going somewhere? [09:30] Laney, in the south of France (Luberon) [09:30] it's a bit before the south coast, so real south (oh, no didrocks to troll today...) [09:30] seb128, just spoke to davmor2 about doing some shake down testing for the PK0.8 stuff [09:30] nature is supposed to be nice there [09:31] so we plan to do some site seeing/walks [09:31] it's going to be sunny and 17°C as well [09:31] should be good :-) [09:31] willcooke, great [09:31] \o/ [09:31] davmor2, thanks [09:31] Laney, and you? going somewhere in your week off? [09:31] seb128: you thank me now wait till you come back to the bug list ;) [09:31] davmor2, I'm going to be on vac so that's fine :p [09:32] http://wikitravel.org/en/Luberon [09:32] lots to do there! [09:32] seb128: getting a canal boat and cruising around [09:32] somewhere west ish, didn't decide exactly yet [09:33] Laney, jealous [09:33] * Laney is in favour of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Ring [09:34] Laney, did you watch that canal boat thing on C4? [09:34] yeah! [09:34] nice [09:34] I want to live in a canal boat for a while. I think it would be super. Mrs says if I do I'm on my own [09:35] I think South of France would be more her cup of tea [09:35] ;) [09:35] the mobile signal was utterly dire last time we did it [09:35] #usefulinformation [09:35] moor up near a pub with wifi [09:35] if such a thing exists [09:36] pubs with canalside access are totally a thing [09:36] probs [09:36] also I am on Three, so ... [09:36] pinch of salt required [09:36] heh [09:38] "Three"? [09:38] is that a provider? [09:38] yeah [09:38] k [09:39] they have a bit of a reputation for bad signal [09:44] I just destroyed the original appstream-dep11 environment, released the IP and deleted the cinder volume it was using [09:44] http://appstream.ubuntu.com/ <- still works [09:44] now with working screenshot download [09:44] * Laney deflates [09:47] wooot [09:48] this makes me a cloud guy now [09:48] * Laney walks off towards the money pile [09:48] willcooke, watch out, Laney is not allowed to leave us [09:48] * Laney is attached to one of those bungee things [09:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUFTf0QKQ8 [09:49] davmor2, just as a fyi, if you hit https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760359 it's known [09:49] Gnome bug 760359 in Movie player "Can't restart playback after installing codecs" [Normal,New] [09:49] :D [09:49] congrats Laney [09:49] lol [09:51] seb128: I see starting the excuses before you even hand it over ;) [09:52] lol [09:52] indeed [09:52] seb128, good morning! Quick question, as I keep forgetting, which LP project is the one to file bugs against the Unity 8 session. is this the one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session [09:52] dpm, hey, yes that was the one (unsure if that changed, I didn't look at it much this cycle) [09:53] ok, thanks! [09:53] yw! [10:00] * willcooke wonders where his squirrel is [10:01] Trevinho, 1) release notes links please. 2) Are you happy with the won't fix list? [10:01] take a trip to BF [10:01] and be irritating in the design area until done [10:01] willcooke: yeah, sorry for the delay I'm going to reply [10:01] thanks Trevinho [10:02] Laney, I'm irritating by proxy [10:02] ;) [10:09] Trevinho, hey [10:09] Trevinho, did you see my request to drop the appmenu change from the silo? [10:09] seb128: hey [10:09] sorry about that [10:09] seb128: yes, already done it [10:09] great, thanks [10:11] willcooke, Laney, xnox, just for info, we could drop qt4 from the iso which would win us like 30M on the iso (only things still using it are appmenu/indicator/fcitx integrations) but then we don't have a good story to pull those integration bits when somebody uses unity and install a qt4 software [10:11] since it's late in the cycle and everybody is busy and the iso spac difference is not significant I think we should keep it for the LTS and drop it after [10:11] +1 [10:12] good that you agree :-) [10:12] didn't we talk about that before? [10:12] we did, but nobody picked it up and we didn't have a good way to pull in the integration bits [10:12] I remember suggesting some changes [10:13] it's probably be fine, I just didn't get to do it, too busy [10:13] that was a status update saying that I'm not going to be able to push that forward before the LTS [10:13] sorry [10:13] if somebody wants to pick it up please do [10:14] otherwise it's going to be next cycle [10:17] is there a bug? [10:17] I found the log from last time [10:18] could write down what I suggested [10:22] Laney, not that I know, I can write to ubuntu-devel@ or open a bug (against what component?) if you want [10:23] but yeah, having that recorded somewhere would be useful [10:23] start with ubuntu-meta? [10:29] yeah new nautilus [10:34] k, let me try to open that bug today, adding to my afternoon todolist [10:46] desrt, you didn't buy a "GOTHEM" lamp from Ikea did you? [10:47] because he was so quiet for the last hours ? [10:48] right, it went quiet when it got dark ;) [10:48] :) [10:48] desrt, http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/about_ikea/newsitem/2016_gothem_lamps [11:07] Laney: hey, looks like gstreamer-vaapi is a release behind, wonder if that could be updated (universe).. and the version number matches other gstreamer bits now [11:08] tjaalton: sure, feel free to test/sync [11:09] yeah [11:39] seb128, fair enough. i guess we should have a qt4 story sorted next cycle. [11:40] * xnox ponders if we care about appmenu/indicator/fcitx integration for qt4 things and how bad things are without them.... [11:47] willcooke: I'm alive :) [11:49] I got http://m.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/art/30184173/ [11:50] wasn't even going to get a lamp this night but it was $9 and came in a small box... so why not? [12:02] desrt, :D [12:02] yay [12:32] also: good morning, everyone :) [12:33] hi desrt! [12:33] hello laney [12:33] hangover? [12:36] after two half pints [12:36] yer jokin! [12:36] i saw your sticker sheet... [12:36] i guess that was from more than last night =) [12:36] indeed [12:37] did some on saturday too [12:38] hey has anyone noticed pulseaudio dying after a while? [12:38] laney@nightingale> gst-play-1.0 http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/llnw/bbc_6music.m3u8 ~ [12:38] Press 'k' to see a list of keyboard shortcuts. [12:38] Now playing http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/llnw/bbc_6music.m3u8 [12:38] shm_open() failed: No such file or directory [12:40] Error 403: we've detected that your alegience to The Queen, while respectable, is just too far away. [12:42] didn't think the radio streams were geo locked === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:07] seb128: so I have a new libreoffice build with some minor fixes ready, nothing urgent though, so Id suggest to upload that on Monday, not today. [13:08] Sweet5hark1, I'm on vac tonight, why- not just upload today and block it in proposed until monday with a tagged bug? [13:11] seb128: You mean with "block-proposed"? Yeah, could do. I havent tested that one bugfix, but I guess that is what the tag is supposed to be used for anyway, isnt it? [13:12] Sweet5hark1, right [13:12] seb128: k, will finalize the package then ASAP ... [13:13] Sweet5hark1, thanks === Drac0 is now known as Guest91883 [13:35] Hi Laney, just filed bug #1559070. Would it be an option to go back to yelp 3.16 in Xenial? [13:35] bug 1559070 in yelp (Ubuntu) "SVG icons not shown / "yelp " fails" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559070 [13:36] GunnarHj, not really no [13:37] seb128: What would the problem be? The dependencies seem not to prevent it. [13:38] GunnarHj, it depends on webkit1 which is unsecure and one of the goal was to replace it by webkit2 [13:38] webkit1 moved to universe [13:38] seb128: I see. Will somebody have time to fix it? [13:39] it's not impossible, we still have some bugfixing time before release [13:39] step one would be to report a bug upstream [13:40] seb128: Think I'll try to talk to the developer directly first. (Don't remember his name for the moment.) [13:41] seb128: Upstream are on 3.20 anyway, aren't they? [13:41] there is no much change betwee 3.18 and 3.20 [13:41] https://git.gnome.org/browse/yelp/log/ [13:45] seb128: The question is if the issue is fixed there. Anyway, I saw the name of the person I'll ask for advice: Shaun McCance. [13:45] right [13:45] you should open a bug upstream in any case [13:45] even if he fixes it, always good to have a reference entry [13:45] Ok, will do. [13:50] GunnarHj, speaking of which, do you know if anyone is updating the ubuntu documentation startpage logo? [13:51] seb128: Yes, we are about to. Latest info is that it will be available today. [13:51] great [13:51] thanks! [13:59] * willcooke has squirrel [14:01] spip? [14:02] ? [14:03] willcooke, http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/0/77/3938569-spip_fs.jpg [14:03] it's the squirrel in Spirou (comic) [14:03] http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DH5X5D/cape-ground-squirrel-in-the-kalahari-desert-DH5X5D.jpg [14:03] http://www.mantagraphics.com/franquin/IMAGE/spipanglais-3.gif [14:03] lol [14:04] *that* squirrel [14:04] gotcha ;-) [14:04] :D:D:D::D [14:04] that guy is a legend [14:04] hehe [14:04] I dare you putting the image you just shared is in the defaults background set :p [14:05] how much cash will you give me? [14:05] not enough I guess ;-) [14:05] lol [14:05] but come on, it's 11 years people talk about the naked people background [14:06] time to give them something new :p [14:09] desrt, Laney, I just though about that one, unsure if it makes any difference but maybe that's still something we want to do before the LTS? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-file-utils/+bug/1559129 [14:09] Launchpad bug 1559129 in desktop-file-utils (Ubuntu) "Replace defaults.list by mimeapps.list " [Undecided,New] [14:10] just pointing it because I'm not going to be able to look at that today [14:10] in case that's something somebody want to sneak in next week [14:10] from the glib side it has basically zero effect [14:10] glib will fall back on the old filename [14:10] right [14:11] in theory it could improve things for other toolkits, but i never heard of kde/qt ever implemented the spec as we agreed on it [14:11] k, so not really worth spending efforts on now [14:11] thanks [14:34] GunnarHj: https://git.gnome.org/browse/yelp/commit/?id=e5f3a147aec6aeb4629194e1d3a3eefc1d4716e9 [14:38] bah, the squirrel is too small. Only supplied at 300px. [14:38] So I'm just going to have to use that other [14:38] one [14:39] Laney: Thanks! Wonder if that would fix both issues... [14:39] Where can you see the other one? [14:40] Laney: Which is "the other one"? ;) [14:40] The one that's not the one that I know is fixed :))))))))))) [14:41] svg thing [14:41] Laney: FYI, maybe of the appstream icon bugs filed are by the same person who hasn't contacted upstream yet, I sent him an email yesterday asking him to do so and giving him some guidance about how [14:41] he was lacking in confidence on that, because he's new to contributing, so I'm going to continue giving him help and encouragement [14:42] hey mhall119, thanks for that! [14:42] I'm not sure I saw any of the (3?) people doing it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=appstream [14:42] I only contacted ricardo sousa, because he did the majority of those [14:42] I'll look at the others today [14:43] I also updated my blog entry to s/assigned to/subscribe/ [14:43] willcooke: hey [14:43] <3 [14:43] Laney: Open Ubuntu Help, click "Manage apps & settings with the menu bar", scroll down and click "List of status menus and what they do". [14:43] willcooke: did you get anyone to look at compiz for the crashers? I'm still testing to make sure, but it looks like things that don't use compiz aren't exploding [14:44] Dang, cking, come back to work! [14:45] cyphermox, hikiko is the best person [14:46] Laney, do you also see "Backups" listed twice in the installed applications in g-s? [14:48] seb128: yup [14:48] Laney, any idea offhand what the issue could be? it seems the extra .desktop have the X-... key [14:51] I would say that one of them is for the .desktop file and one is for the installed appdata [14:52] It should only show one of them [14:52] I'm going to open a bug and let Robert sort it out, I've no idea how that dedup logic is working [14:54] cyphermox, Trevinho is also looking in to it [14:58] willcooke: ok [14:58] still testing servers to see if things break, and gnome-shell. I already tried xubuntu and it didn't seem to crash [14:59] I can't think of a non-unity compiz user [14:59] Laney, reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559171 [14:59] Launchpad bug 1559171 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Backups listed twice in the "Installed" section" [Undecided,New] [15:13] willcooke: no crash in gnome-shell either :/ [15:14] ruh roh [15:14] Trevinho, ^ [15:14] I'm reasonably certain it's something in compiz, or something between X and compiz maybe [15:15] I tried to upgrade just libglib2.0-0 from under it on 14.04 (using the 16.06 libglib), but that didn't crash despite what was in the crash info in syslog [15:16] * cyphermox updates the bug [15:26] seb128: did you see the links for the libreoffice sponsoring request? (bloody VPNs disconned me twice) [15:26] Sweet5hark, no [15:26] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.1/libreoffice_5.1.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.1/libreoffice-l10n_5.1.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes <- dunno if that is a repost, I was toggling VPNs... [15:26] Sweet5hark, thanks [15:27] seb128: yw [15:27] Trevinho, can I get compiz to do some more logging while this upgrade is running? [15:30] Laney, mterry, I've added some though to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1559171 ... I think it might be because the deja-dup appstream points to a .desktop which is NoDisplay=tru [15:31] Launchpad bug 1559171 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Backups listed twice in the "Installed" section" [Undecided,New] [15:31] e [15:36] Trevinho, trying with compiz --replace --debug from a ssh shell... [15:37] Trevinho, I've been testing the merge proposal - https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/add-gtk-frame-extents-to-net-supported/+merge/257303 [15:38] willcooke, so about apt: urls, I'm fixing the default handlers to use apturl but ideally gnome-software should understand those the way software-center did, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559185 about that [15:38] Launchpad bug 1559185 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Doesn't understand apt: urls" [Undecided,New] [15:38] See the last three comments, including my own. It looks like there are more reasons to merge than not. [15:40] thanks seb128 [15:41] seb128: ok will add that bug to my todo list, but I'm busy today [15:41] mterry, no hurry, it's minor, doesn't need to be today [15:41] seb128: cool [15:42] mterry, also I don't know what's the right way there, maybe pointing the appstream to the panel? [15:42] ximion or Laney might know better [15:42] flexiondotorg: no... We can't... It breaks many things. We need to rework the comipz geometry in order to get that properly [15:43] seb128: yeah I'm not sure what the right fix is -- we have two ways of launching, so can't just stuff everything into one desktop file (hence the deja-dup.desktop "meta" desktop file) [15:43] Trevinho, Can you point me to where I should be experiencing breakage? [15:44] mterry, yeah, I don't know either [15:44] Trevinho, There is an new effort called Compiz Reloaded starting, based on 0.8. [15:44] mterry, but as said it's minor, it only impacts how its listed in gnome-software, which most people probably don't care about since it's preinstalled [15:44] The developers are tackling this issue. [15:45] If I can identify issues, I'll work with the to try and port fixes the Compiz 0.9 [15:45] So I need examples of what is broken, for test cases. [15:49] flexiondotorg, the 0.9 codebase is quite different I think ... do you know why they started of 0.8? [15:49] seb128, I'm aware there are significant differences. [15:49] I asked about why 0.8 yesterday. Trying to see if they will align with 0.9. [15:50] But they have been forward patch from 0.8 to 0.9 already because some of the team are openSUSE and there they use Compiz 0.9 [15:51] Laney: this is ready to land imho, if you can ack it https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1137 [15:54] flexiondotorg: we should remove the frame border from the window geometry. Otherwise for example, (vertically) maximized windows could not work, [15:54] Also we should not add frame to the window [15:54] area that is covered by borders [15:56] flexiondotorg: vertically maximize a csd window... [15:56] OK, that reverts it to a solid-csd mode. [16:02] willcooke: that doesn't in any case reduce the importance of fixing compiz to not fail in the way that it currently does, but I'm doing a manual upgrade with a few steps upgrading specific things and I've already passed compiz and X without crashes. it doesn't really mean anything yet, but perhaps I can work around the issue [16:03] Trevinho: what about the bamf / 'launching' stuff? [16:03] arf, maybe I spoke too fast [16:03] Laney: oh, was the bug ACKed... Sorry I didn't see the mail -_- [16:04] Trevinho, so I see the issue where the vertically maximised window is not sized to the full vertical resolution. [16:04] * Laney fistshakes [16:04] Laney: can I add just the bamf side (as it's quicker to rebuild) and we land the unity side latger? [16:04] Trevinho: I want it in well before the beta [16:04] since the bamf side is the one with new api.. [16:05] Laney: mondey can be there I think.. Not sure there's time tonight (it depends on the builders) [16:05] if you have an update ready land that and do another one? [16:05] Yeah, better that one [16:05] Only if you do it [16:05] If you disappear and it doesn't happen: >:( [16:06] I don't [16:07] Laney: so, I'm doing a new silo for that [16:07] Well, if you can land the other one... [16:07] Not sure what's qucker [16:07] quicker* [16:08] You have to wait for it to merge before being able to build a new one no? [16:09] Laney: yes for unity [16:10] you're just making a later night for yourself [16:10] but if that's what you want :P [16:10] Well, it's not a problem [16:11] done [16:12] Laney: ok, good... [16:12] :) [16:12] well, manual ACKing needed it seems [16:12] https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-028-2-publish/6/console [16:12] not ticking it gives you nice links to look at [16:13] better [16:14] back in a bit [16:20] seb128: if you've time I think you can sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/gtk/unity-border-radius-support/+merge/288331 in the mean time, or I'll bother Laney again next week (for the other branch too) :) [16:22] Trevinho, yes, doing that next [16:22] seb128: thanks [16:22] yw! [16:48] BOOM! [16:48] compiz (core) - Debug: - x: 325 y: 250 width: 374 height: 270 border: 0, sibling: 0x2600093 [16:48] XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" [16:48] after 24793 requests (24793 known processed) with 1 events remaining. [16:48] Trevinho, hikiko, cyphermox davmor2 ^ [16:48] Mh [16:49] so is that X crashing underneath? [16:49] Mh, it might be also that compiz refers to some resource that is not available anymore [16:49] willcooke: are you running compiz in debug mode there? [16:49] Trevinho, yeah [16:49] oh [16:49] and also [16:50] willcooke: recompiling it? [16:50] via an SSH session [16:50] DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace --debug [16:50] just running it like that ^ [16:51] Ah, ok... As if you recompile it with debug mode it could give some more infos [16:51] sounds like a job for hikiko and her super power machine [17:07] cyphermox, Laney - any concerns with me using a PNG for the welcome slide? A JPG has a lot of horrible banding from the gradients, a PNG looks better [17:11] thanks for the notes Trevinho [17:11] :) [17:21] willcooke: no, anything that looks good is fine [17:24] willcooke: sounds like a *better* idea to me [17:24] pngcrush / optipng it though ;-) [17:27] Laney, ack :) [17:27] thx cyphermox [17:28] I've just had a chat with design [17:28] the orange squirrel is clashing with the orange on the wallpaper [17:28] so we're going with a white one instead [17:31] is it less scary than the werewolf? [17:31] it looks a bit like a dinosaur [17:45] https://imgur.com/fNAylqc [17:46] eep [17:46] cute [17:46] it's got the origami look anyway [17:46] looks like a charizard ;) [17:46] haha [17:47] this is what he looked like in orange: https://imgur.com/yrKnSdy [17:47] also.. "the banding. it burns" [17:51] willcooke, I like it :-) [17:51] the white version I mean [17:51] cool! [17:53] Trevinho, I'm testing you gtk patch, any idea why it doesn't work on gnome-calendar? [17:53] gtk3-demo gets nice rounded corners but not the calendar [17:53] seb128: mh... [17:54] there should be no difference [17:54] but... [17:57] do you get the issue as well? [18:00] seb128: i'm geting (gnome-calendar:2430): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.shell.calendar' is not installed in xenial :o [18:00] Laney: Still there? [18:01] is it installed? [18:01] hi GunnarHj [18:01] 2 more minutes [18:01] the climbing centre is calling me [18:02] Laney: I have that... /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.calendar.gschema.xml [18:02] and it's compiled [18:02]