[00:08] <ximion> yes, that's exactly the bug I learned to love ;-)
[00:08]  * ximion needs sleep too
[00:08] <ximion> gn8
[00:09] <ximion> btw, robert_ancell: I just added a "status" command to appstreamcli - that should make diagnosing common mistakes even easier
[00:09] <ximion> (it checks for the distro metadata and cache status and returns some useful information bug reports can attach to rule out an issue with the data itself)
[00:09] <ximion> I hope we won't need it, ever :)
[01:47] <robert_ancell> ximion, nice
[08:59] <willcooke> o/
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke!
[09:01] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:04] <Laney> hey ho
[09:04] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney!
[09:05] <Laney> what up chaps
[09:05] <Laney> happy friday
[09:06] <seb128> happy friday!
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, so I tried installed packagekit instead of the aptdaemon compat, things work correctly (nautilus program install, codecs, langpack) but looking to rdepends ubuntu-drivers-common has in its description
[09:09] <seb128>   - a PackageKit plugin for WhatProvides() for types MODALIAS and
[09:09] <seb128>     HARDWARE_DRIVER, to do the same queries as above through the PackageKit API
[09:09] <seb128>     (for using in non-distro specific GUIs). This works with aptdaemon's
[09:09] <seb128>     PackageKit compatibility layer (python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat) and with
[09:09] <seb128>     PackageKit's apt backend, but _not_ with the PackageKit aptcc backend.
[09:09] <seb128> I don't have any hardware to test drivers install though
[09:09] <seb128> unsure if that's still true
[09:09] <seb128> maybe pitti knows
[09:09] <willcooke> oki, thanks seb128
[09:10] <willcooke> davmor2, do you have non intel gfx hardware, ideally nvidia I expect ^
[09:10] <willcooke> ahhhh
[09:10] <willcooke> interesting thought....
[09:10] <willcooke> if users have non-intel gfx cards, U8 wont work for them anyway
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, we landing the greeter hidpi corruption fix, feedback is still welcome if you want to test, might be easier now that it's in the archive ;-)
[09:10] <willcooke> (at least I think that's still the case0
[09:10] <willcooke> )
[09:10] <seb128> willcooke, it's not only video though?
[09:11] <willcooke> ahh
[09:11] <davmor2> willcooke: I might have, nvidia, prime, amd, and intel boxes
[09:11] <willcooke> seb128, maybe in most cases the drivers would have been installed before u8
[09:11] <willcooke> davmor2, ha!  Nice!
[09:11] <willcooke> davmor2, I'll speak to you off-line about some changes coming up
[09:11] <willcooke> davmor2, got time for a quick phone call later?
[09:11] <willcooke> I think it'll be quicker
[09:11] <davmor2> willcooke: sure
[09:12] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, but since things we working nicely I was pondering doing the switch in the default u7 install to avoid having unity8 to remove installed things
[09:12] <willcooke> hummmmmm
[09:12] <willcooke> let's see
[09:12] <seb128> but I guess we can stick to the plan
[09:12] <seb128> safer
[09:12] <willcooke> +1
[09:12] <seb128> let's not get carried on
[09:12] <seb128> it's already good news than most things work ;-)
[09:13] <willcooke> haha
[09:13] <willcooke> yes
[09:26] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, willcooke, desktopers: I'm on vac tonight until end of the month, if there is anything I should look at/you need me for before that now is a good time to mention it ;-)
[09:26] <willcooke> :)
[09:26]  * Laney is off for the second week of that too
[09:28] <Laney> seb128: you going somewhere?
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, in the south of France (Luberon)
[09:30] <seb128> it's a bit before the south coast, so real south (oh, no didrocks to troll today...)
[09:30] <willcooke> seb128, just spoke to davmor2 about doing some shake down testing for the PK0.8 stuff
[09:30] <seb128> nature is supposed to be nice there
[09:31] <seb128> so we plan to do some site seeing/walks
[09:31] <seb128> it's going to be sunny and 17°C as well
[09:31] <seb128> should be good :-)
[09:31] <seb128> willcooke, great
[09:31] <Laney> \o/
[09:31] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, and you? going somewhere in your week off?
[09:31] <davmor2> seb128: you thank me now wait till you come back to the bug list ;)
[09:31] <seb128> davmor2, I'm going to be on vac so that's fine :p
[09:32] <Laney> http://wikitravel.org/en/Luberon
[09:32] <Laney> lots to do there!
[09:32] <Laney> seb128: getting a canal boat and cruising around
[09:32] <Laney> somewhere west ish, didn't decide exactly yet
[09:33] <willcooke> Laney, jealous
[09:33]  * Laney is in favour of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Ring
[09:34] <willcooke> Laney, did you watch that canal boat thing on C4?
[09:34] <Laney> yeah!
[09:34] <seb128> nice
[09:34] <willcooke> I want to live in a canal boat for a while.  I think it would be super.  Mrs says if I do I'm on my own
[09:35] <willcooke> I think South of France would be more her cup of tea
[09:35] <willcooke> ;)
[09:35] <Laney> the mobile signal was utterly dire last time we did it
[09:35] <Laney> #usefulinformation
[09:35] <willcooke> moor up near a pub with wifi
[09:35] <willcooke> if such a thing exists
[09:36] <Laney> pubs with canalside access are totally a thing
[09:36] <Laney> probs
[09:36] <Laney> also I am on Three, so ...
[09:36] <Laney> pinch of salt required
[09:36] <willcooke> heh
[09:38] <seb128> "Three"?
[09:38] <seb128> is that a provider?
[09:38] <Laney> yeah
[09:38] <seb128> k
[09:39] <Laney> they have a bit of a reputation for bad signal
[09:44] <Laney> I just destroyed the original appstream-dep11 environment, released the IP and deleted the cinder volume it was using
[09:44] <Laney> http://appstream.ubuntu.com/ <- still works
[09:44] <Laney> now with working screenshot download
[09:44]  * Laney deflates
[09:47] <seb128> wooot
[09:48] <Laney> this makes me a cloud guy now
[09:48]  * Laney walks off towards the money pile
[09:48] <seb128> willcooke, watch out, Laney is not allowed to leave us
[09:48]  * Laney is attached to one of those bungee things
[09:49] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUFTf0QKQ8
[09:49] <seb128> davmor2, just as a fyi, if you hit https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760359 it's known
[09:49] <willcooke> :D
[09:49] <willcooke> congrats Laney
[09:49] <seb128> lol
[09:51] <davmor2> seb128: I see starting the excuses before you even hand it over ;)
[09:52] <seb128> lol
[09:52] <seb128> indeed
[09:52] <dpm> seb128, good morning! Quick question, as I keep forgetting, which LP project is the one to file bugs against the Unity 8 session. is this the one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session
[09:52] <seb128> dpm, hey, yes that was the one (unsure if that changed, I didn't look at it much this cycle)
[09:53] <dpm> ok, thanks!
[09:53] <seb128> yw!
[10:00]  * willcooke wonders where his squirrel is 
[10:01] <willcooke> Trevinho, 1) release notes links please.  2) Are you happy with the won't fix list?
[10:01] <Laney> take a trip to BF
[10:01] <Laney> and be irritating in the design area until done
[10:01] <Trevinho> willcooke: yeah, sorry for the delay I'm going to reply
[10:01] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[10:02] <willcooke> Laney, I'm irritating by proxy
[10:02] <willcooke> ;)
[10:09] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[10:09] <seb128> Trevinho, did you see my request to drop the appmenu change from the silo?
[10:09] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[10:09] <seb128> sorry about that
[10:09] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, already done it
[10:09] <seb128> great, thanks
[10:11] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, xnox, just for info, we could drop qt4 from the iso which would win us like 30M on the iso (only things still using it are appmenu/indicator/fcitx integrations) but then we don't have a good story to pull those integration bits when somebody uses unity and install a qt4 software
[10:11] <seb128> since it's late in the cycle and everybody is busy and the iso spac difference is not significant I think we should keep it for the LTS and drop it after
[10:11] <willcooke> +1
[10:12] <seb128> good that you agree :-)
[10:12] <Laney> didn't we talk about that before?
[10:12] <seb128> we did, but nobody picked it up and we didn't have a good way to pull in the integration bits
[10:12] <Laney> I remember suggesting some changes
[10:13] <seb128> it's probably be fine, I just didn't get to do it, too busy
[10:13] <seb128> that was a status update saying that I'm not going to be able to push that forward before the LTS
[10:13] <seb128> sorry
[10:13] <seb128> if somebody wants to pick it up please do
[10:14] <seb128> otherwise it's going to be next cycle
[10:17] <Laney> is there a bug?
[10:17] <Laney> I found the log from last time
[10:18] <Laney> could write down what I suggested
[10:22] <seb128> Laney, not that I know, I can write to ubuntu-devel@ or open a bug (against what component?) if you want
[10:23] <seb128> but yeah, having that recorded somewhere would be useful
[10:23] <Laney> start with ubuntu-meta?
[10:29] <Laney> yeah new nautilus
[10:34] <seb128> k, let me try to open that bug today, adding to my afternoon todolist
[10:46] <willcooke> desrt, you didn't buy a "GOTHEM" lamp from Ikea did you?
[10:47] <ogra_> because he was so quiet for the last hours ?
[10:48] <willcooke> right, it went quiet when it got dark ;)
[10:48] <ogra_> :)
[10:48] <willcooke> desrt, http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/about_ikea/newsitem/2016_gothem_lamps
[11:07] <tjaalton> Laney: hey, looks like gstreamer-vaapi is a release behind, wonder if that could be updated (universe).. and the version number matches other gstreamer bits now
[11:08] <Laney> tjaalton: sure, feel free to test/sync
[11:09] <tjaalton> yeah
[11:39] <xnox> seb128, fair enough. i guess we should have a qt4 story sorted next cycle.
[11:40]  * xnox ponders if we care about appmenu/indicator/fcitx integration for qt4 things and how bad things are without them....
[11:47] <desrt> willcooke: I'm alive :)
[11:49] <desrt> I got http://m.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/art/30184173/
[11:50] <desrt> wasn't even going to get a lamp this night but it was $9 and came in a small box... so why not?
[12:02] <willcooke> desrt, :D
[12:02] <willcooke> yay
[12:32] <desrt> also: good morning, everyone :)
[12:33] <Laney> hi desrt!
[12:33] <desrt> hello laney
[12:33] <desrt> hangover?
[12:36] <Laney> after two half pints
[12:36] <Laney> yer jokin!
[12:36] <desrt> i saw your sticker sheet...
[12:36] <desrt> i guess that was from more than last night =)
[12:36] <Laney> indeed
[12:37] <Laney> did some on saturday too
[12:38] <Laney> hey has anyone noticed pulseaudio dying after a while?
[12:38] <Laney> laney@nightingale> gst-play-1.0 http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/llnw/bbc_6music.m3u8                                                                 ~
[12:38] <Laney> Press 'k' to see a list of keyboard shortcuts.
[12:38] <Laney> Now playing http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/llnw/bbc_6music.m3u8
[12:38] <Laney> shm_open() failed: No such file or directory
[12:40] <desrt> Error 403: we've detected that your alegience to The Queen, while respectable, is just too far away.
[12:42] <Laney> didn't think the radio streams were geo locked
[13:07] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: so I have a new libreoffice build with some minor fixes ready, nothing urgent though, so Id suggest to upload that on Monday, not today.
[13:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I'm on vac tonight, why- not just upload today and block it in proposed until monday with a tagged bug?
[13:11] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: You mean with "block-proposed"? Yeah, could do. I havent tested that one bugfix, but I guess that is what the tag is supposed to be used for anyway, isnt it?
[13:12] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, right
[13:12] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: k, will finalize the package then ASAP ...
[13:13] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, thanks
[13:35] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, just filed bug #1559070. Would it be an option to go back to yelp 3.16 in Xenial?
[13:36] <seb128> GunnarHj, not really no
[13:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: What would the problem be? The dependencies seem not to prevent it.
[13:38] <seb128> GunnarHj, it depends on webkit1 which is unsecure and one of the goal was to replace it by webkit2
[13:38] <seb128> webkit1 moved to universe
[13:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. Will somebody have time to fix it?
[13:39] <seb128> it's not impossible, we still have some bugfixing time before release
[13:39] <seb128> step one would be to report a bug upstream
[13:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: Think I'll try to talk to the developer directly first. (Don't remember his name for the moment.)
[13:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Upstream are on 3.20 anyway, aren't they?
[13:41] <seb128> there is no much change betwee 3.18 and 3.20
[13:41] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/yelp/log/
[13:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: The question is if the issue is fixed there. Anyway, I saw the name of the person I'll ask for advice: Shaun McCance.
[13:45] <seb128> right
[13:45] <seb128> you should open a bug upstream in any case
[13:45] <seb128> even if he fixes it, always good to have a reference entry
[13:45] <GunnarHj> Ok, will do.
[13:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, speaking of which, do you know if anyone is updating the ubuntu documentation startpage logo?
[13:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, we are about to. Latest info is that it will be available today.
[13:51] <seb128> great
[13:51] <seb128> thanks!
[13:59]  * willcooke has squirrel 
[14:01] <seb128> spip?
[14:02] <willcooke> ?
[14:03] <seb128> willcooke, http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/0/77/3938569-spip_fs.jpg
[14:03] <seb128> it's the squirrel in Spirou (comic)
[14:03] <willcooke> http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DH5X5D/cape-ground-squirrel-in-the-kalahari-desert-DH5X5D.jpg
[14:03] <seb128> http://www.mantagraphics.com/franquin/IMAGE/spipanglais-3.gif
[14:03] <seb128> lol
[14:04] <seb128> *that* squirrel
[14:04] <seb128> gotcha ;-)
[14:04] <willcooke> :D:D:D::D
[14:04] <willcooke> that guy is a legend
[14:04] <seb128> hehe
[14:04] <seb128> I dare you putting the image you just shared is in the defaults background set :p
[14:05] <willcooke> how much cash will you give me?
[14:05] <seb128> not enough I guess ;-)
[14:05] <willcooke> lol
[14:05] <seb128> but come on, it's 11 years people talk about the naked people background
[14:06] <seb128> time to give them something new :p
[14:09] <seb128> desrt, Laney, I just though about that one, unsure if it makes any difference but maybe that's still something we want to do before the LTS? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-file-utils/+bug/1559129
[14:10] <seb128> just pointing it because I'm not going to be able to look at that today
[14:10] <seb128> in case that's something somebody want to sneak in next week
[14:10] <desrt> from the glib side it has basically zero effect
[14:10] <desrt> glib will fall back on the old filename
[14:10] <seb128> right
[14:11] <desrt> in theory it could improve things for other toolkits, but i never heard of kde/qt ever implemented the spec as we agreed on it
[14:11] <seb128> k, so not really worth spending efforts on now
[14:11] <seb128> thanks
[14:34] <Laney> GunnarHj: https://git.gnome.org/browse/yelp/commit/?id=e5f3a147aec6aeb4629194e1d3a3eefc1d4716e9
[14:38] <willcooke> bah, the squirrel is too small.  Only supplied at 300px.
[14:38] <willcooke> So I'm just going to have to use that other
[14:38] <willcooke> one
[14:39] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks! Wonder if that would fix both issues...
[14:39] <Laney> Where can you see the other one?
[14:40] <GunnarHj> Laney: Which is "the other one"? ;)
[14:40] <Laney> The one that's not the one that I know is fixed :)))))))))))
[14:41] <Laney> svg thing
[14:41] <mhall119> Laney: FYI, maybe of the appstream icon bugs filed are by the same person who hasn't contacted upstream yet, I sent him an email yesterday asking him to do so and giving him some guidance about how
[14:41] <mhall119> he was lacking in confidence on that, because he's new to contributing, so I'm going to continue giving him help and encouragement
[14:42] <Laney> hey mhall119, thanks for that!
[14:42] <Laney> I'm not sure I saw any of the (3?) people doing it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=appstream
[14:42] <mhall119> I only contacted ricardo sousa, because he did the majority of those
[14:42] <mhall119> I'll look at the others today
[14:43] <mhall119> I also updated my blog entry to s/assigned to/subscribe/
[14:43] <cyphermox> willcooke: hey
[14:43] <Laney> <3
[14:43] <GunnarHj> Laney: Open Ubuntu Help, click "Manage apps & settings with the menu bar", scroll down and click "List of status menus and what they do".
[14:43] <cyphermox> willcooke: did you get anyone to look at compiz for the crashers? I'm still testing to make sure, but it looks like things that don't use compiz aren't exploding
[14:44] <qengho> Dang, cking, come back to work!
[14:45] <willcooke> cyphermox, hikiko is the best person
[14:46] <seb128> Laney, do you also see "Backups" listed twice in the installed applications in g-s?
[14:48] <Laney> seb128: yup
[14:48] <seb128> Laney, any idea offhand what the issue could be? it seems the extra .desktop have the X-... key
[14:51] <Laney> I would say that one of them is for the .desktop file and one is for the installed appdata
[14:52] <Laney> It should only show one of them
[14:52] <seb128> I'm going to open a bug and let Robert sort it out, I've no idea how that dedup logic is working
[14:54] <willcooke> cyphermox, Trevinho is also looking in to it
[14:58] <cyphermox> willcooke: ok
[14:58] <cyphermox> still testing servers to see if things break, and gnome-shell. I already tried xubuntu and it didn't seem to crash
[14:59] <cyphermox> I can't think of a non-unity compiz user
[14:59] <seb128> Laney, reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559171
[15:13] <cyphermox> willcooke: no crash in gnome-shell either :/
[15:14] <willcooke> ruh roh
[15:14] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^
[15:14] <cyphermox> I'm reasonably certain it's something in compiz, or something between X and compiz maybe
[15:15] <cyphermox> I tried to upgrade just libglib2.0-0 from under it on 14.04 (using the 16.06 libglib), but that didn't crash despite what was in the crash info in syslog
[15:16]  * cyphermox updates the bug
[15:26] <Sweet5hark> seb128: did you see the links for the libreoffice sponsoring request? (bloody VPNs disconned me twice)
[15:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark, no
[15:26] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.1/libreoffice_5.1.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.1/libreoffice-l10n_5.1.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes <- dunno if that is a repost, I was toggling VPNs...
[15:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[15:27] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yw
[15:27] <willcooke> Trevinho, can I get compiz to do some more logging while this upgrade is running?
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, mterry, I've added some though to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1559171 ... I think it might be because the deja-dup appstream points to a .desktop which is NoDisplay=tru
[15:31] <seb128> e
[15:36] <willcooke> Trevinho, trying with compiz --replace --debug from a ssh shell...
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, I've been testing the merge proposal - https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/add-gtk-frame-extents-to-net-supported/+merge/257303
[15:38] <seb128> willcooke, so about apt: urls, I'm fixing the default handlers to use apturl but ideally gnome-software should understand those the way software-center did, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559185 about that
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> See the last three comments, including my own. It looks like there are more reasons to merge than not.
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:41] <mterry> seb128: ok will add that bug to my todo list, but I'm busy today
[15:41] <seb128> mterry, no hurry, it's minor, doesn't need to be today
[15:41] <Laney> seb128: cool
[15:42] <seb128> mterry, also I don't know what's the right way there, maybe pointing the appstream to the panel?
[15:42] <seb128> ximion or Laney might know better
[15:42] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: no... We can't... It breaks many things. We need to rework the comipz geometry in order to get that properly
[15:43] <mterry> seb128: yeah I'm not sure what the right fix is -- we have two ways of launching, so can't just stuff everything into one desktop file  (hence the deja-dup.desktop "meta" desktop file)
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, Can you point me to where I should be experiencing breakage?
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, yeah, I don't know either
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, There is an new effort called Compiz Reloaded starting, based on 0.8.
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, but as said it's minor, it only impacts how its listed in gnome-software, which most people probably don't care about since it's preinstalled
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> The developers are tackling this issue.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> If I can identify issues, I'll work with the to try and port fixes the Compiz 0.9
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> So I need examples of what is broken, for test cases.
[15:49] <seb128> flexiondotorg, the 0.9 codebase is quite different I think ... do you know why they started of 0.8?
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> seb128, I'm aware there are significant differences.
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> I asked about why 0.8 yesterday. Trying to see if they will align with 0.9.
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> But they have been forward patch from 0.8 to 0.9 already because some of the team are openSUSE and there they use Compiz 0.9
[15:51] <Trevinho> Laney: this is ready to land imho, if you can ack it https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1137
[15:54] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: we should remove the frame border from the window geometry. Otherwise for example, (vertically) maximized windows could not work,
[15:54] <Trevinho> Also we should not add frame to the window
[15:54] <Trevinho> area that is covered by borders
[15:56] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: vertically maximize a csd window...
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> OK, that reverts it to a solid-csd mode.
[16:02] <cyphermox> willcooke: that doesn't in any case reduce the importance of fixing compiz to not fail in the way that it currently does, but I'm doing a manual upgrade with a few steps upgrading specific things and I've already passed compiz and X without crashes. it doesn't really mean anything yet, but perhaps I can work around the issue
[16:03] <Laney> Trevinho: what about the bamf / 'launching' stuff?
[16:03] <cyphermox> arf, maybe I spoke too fast
[16:03] <Trevinho> Laney: oh, was the bug ACKed... Sorry I didn't see the mail -_-
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, so I see the issue where the vertically maximised window is not sized to the full vertical resolution.
[16:04]  * Laney fistshakes
[16:04] <Trevinho> Laney: can I add just the bamf side (as it's quicker to rebuild) and we land the unity side latger?
[16:04] <Laney> Trevinho: I want it in well before the beta
[16:04] <Trevinho> since the bamf side is the one with new api..
[16:05] <Trevinho> Laney: mondey can be there I think.. Not sure there's time tonight (it depends on the builders)
[16:05] <seb128> if you have an update ready land that and do another one?
[16:05] <Trevinho> Yeah, better that one
[16:05] <Laney> Only if you do it
[16:05] <Laney> If you disappear and it doesn't happen: >:(
[16:06] <Trevinho> I don't
[16:07] <Trevinho> Laney: so, I'm doing a new silo for that
[16:07] <Trevinho> Well, if you can land the other one...
[16:07] <Trevinho> Not sure what's qucker
[16:07] <Trevinho> quicker*
[16:08] <Laney> You have to wait for it to merge before being able to build a new one no?
[16:09] <Trevinho> Laney: yes for unity
[16:10] <Laney> you're just making a later night for yourself
[16:10] <Laney> but if that's what you want :P
[16:10] <Trevinho> Well, it's not a problem
[16:11] <Laney> done
[16:12] <Trevinho> Laney: ok, good...
[16:12] <Laney> :)
[16:12] <Trevinho> well, manual ACKing needed it seems
[16:12] <Laney> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-028-2-publish/6/console
[16:12] <Laney> not ticking it gives you nice links to look at
[16:13] <Trevinho> better
[16:14] <Laney> back in a bit
[16:20] <Trevinho> seb128: if you've time I think you can sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/gtk/unity-border-radius-support/+merge/288331 in the mean time, or I'll bother Laney again next week (for the other branch too) :)
[16:22] <seb128> Trevinho, yes, doing that next
[16:22] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[16:22] <seb128> yw!
[16:48] <willcooke> BOOM!
[16:48] <willcooke> compiz (core) - Debug: - x: 325 y: 250 width: 374 height: 270 border: 0, sibling: 0x2600093
[16:48] <willcooke> XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
[16:48] <willcooke>       after 24793 requests (24793 known processed) with 1 events remaining.
[16:48] <willcooke> Trevinho, hikiko, cyphermox davmor2 ^
[16:48] <Trevinho> Mh
[16:49] <willcooke> so is that X crashing underneath?
[16:49] <Trevinho> Mh, it might be also that compiz refers to some resource that is not available anymore
[16:49] <Trevinho> willcooke: are you running compiz in debug mode there?
[16:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah
[16:49] <willcooke> oh
[16:49] <willcooke> and also
[16:50] <Trevinho> willcooke: recompiling it?
[16:50] <willcooke> via an SSH session
[16:50] <willcooke> DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace --debug
[16:50] <willcooke> just running it like that ^
[16:51] <Trevinho> Ah, ok... As if you recompile it with debug mode it could give some more infos
[16:51] <willcooke> sounds like a job for hikiko and her super power machine
[17:07] <willcooke> cyphermox, Laney - any concerns with me using a PNG for the welcome slide?  A JPG has a lot of horrible banding from the gradients, a PNG looks better
[17:11] <willcooke> thanks for the notes Trevinho
[17:11] <Trevinho> :)
[17:21] <cyphermox> willcooke: no, anything that looks good is fine
[17:24] <Laney> willcooke: sounds like a *better* idea to me
[17:24] <Laney> pngcrush / optipng it though ;-)
[17:27] <willcooke> Laney, ack :)
[17:27] <willcooke> thx cyphermox
[17:28] <willcooke> I've just had a chat with design
[17:28] <willcooke> the orange squirrel is clashing with the orange on the wallpaper
[17:28] <willcooke> so we're going with a white one instead
[17:31] <Laney> is it less scary than the werewolf?
[17:31] <willcooke> it looks a bit like a dinosaur
[17:45] <willcooke> https://imgur.com/fNAylqc
[17:46] <cyphermox> eep
[17:46] <Laney> cute
[17:46] <Laney> it's got the origami look anyway
[17:46] <cyphermox> looks like a charizard ;)
[17:46] <willcooke> haha
[17:47] <willcooke> this is what he looked like in orange:  https://imgur.com/yrKnSdy
[17:47] <willcooke> also.. "the banding.  it burns"
[17:51] <seb128> willcooke, I like it :-)
[17:51] <seb128> the white version I mean
[17:51] <willcooke> cool!
[17:53] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm testing you gtk patch, any idea why it doesn't work on gnome-calendar?
[17:53] <seb128> gtk3-demo gets nice rounded corners but not the calendar
[17:53] <Trevinho> seb128: mh...
[17:54] <Trevinho> there should be no difference
[17:54] <Trevinho> but...
[17:57] <seb128> do you get the issue as well?
[18:00] <Trevinho> seb128: i'm geting (gnome-calendar:2430): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.shell.calendar' is not installed in xenial :o
[18:00] <GunnarHj> Laney: Still there?
[18:01] <Laney> is it installed?
[18:01] <Laney> hi GunnarHj
[18:01] <Laney> 2 more minutes
[18:01] <Laney> the climbing centre is calling me
[18:02] <Trevinho> Laney: I have that... /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.calendar.gschema.xml
[18:02] <Trevinho> and it's compiled
[18:02] <Trevinho> but...
[18:02] <GunnarHj> Laney: I attached a patch to bug #1559070.
[18:02] <GunnarHj> Laney: Saw you suggested it on the upstream bug report.
[18:02] <Trevinho> ah, well not org.gnome.shell.calendar... MHmhmhm
[18:02] <Trevinho> seb128: ^?
[18:03] <Laney> Trevinho: indeed
[18:03] <Laney> --fail-missing!!!!!!
[18:03] <Laney> GunnarHj: you ship those files already?
[18:04] <Trevinho> I got both in an lxc and in actual installation :o
[18:04] <Laney> yes it's real
[18:04] <Laney> probably a file not installed
[18:04] <GunnarHj> Laney: Well, not in the package, bug in the HTML version on the web.
[18:04] <Laney> GunnarHj: yelp is downloading svgs from the internet?
[18:05] <GunnarHj> Laney: No. The web version is viewed with an ordinary browser. ;)
[18:06] <GunnarHj> Laney: The ubuntu-docs branch is used for both building the package and preparing the web version.
[18:06] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney: ?!
[18:07] <seb128> works here
[18:07] <Laney> GunnarHj: So you replaced the absolute paths with relative ones
[18:07] <Trevinho> weeeird
[18:07] <Laney> but where are those files?
[18:07] <Trevinho> seb do you have that schema?
[18:07] <seb128> Trevinho, no
[18:07] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yep. Have no idea if other packages are affected, though.
[18:07] <seb128> Trevinho, which gnome-calendar?
[18:08] <Laney> 3.19.92-0ubuntu1
[18:08] <seb128> Laney, you have the issue as well?
[18:08] <Trevinho> gnome-calendar: Version 3.19.92
[18:08] <seb128> are you guys under gnome-shell? ;-)
[18:08] <Laney> yes
[18:08] <Laney> no
[18:08] <Trevinho> 3.19.92-0ubuntu1
[18:08] <Trevinho> seb128: good try. No.
[18:09] <seb128> Laney, can't be a --fail-missing, it's a one binary package, no .instlal
[18:09] <Laney> ah man
[18:09] <seb128> works fine on a xenial daily install I did earlier today in a vm
[18:09] <seb128> wth
[18:09] <seb128> can you get a bt?
[18:10] <seb128> oh
[18:10] <seb128> year view
[18:10] <seb128> doh
[18:10] <Laney> got it?
[18:11] <seb128> yeah
[18:11] <Laney> #8  0x00007ffff5ab8fa5 in g_settings_new (schema_id=schema_id@entry=0x44754e "org.gnome.shell.calendar") at /build/glib2.0-SNH0tt/glib2.0-2.47.6/./gio/gsettings.c:962
[18:11] <Laney> #9  0x000000000043aa9c in gcal_year_view_init (self=0x96f170 [GcalYearView]) at gcal-year-view.c:1498
[18:11] <Laney> right I can look at that anyway
[18:11] <seb128> it doesn't happen on my machine and I don't have that schema
[18:11] <Laney> later or monday
[18:11] <seb128> I'm doing it
[18:11] <Laney> GunnarHj: your bug too
[18:11] <seb128> it's a change in .92
[18:11] <Laney> xnox: and your FFe
[18:11]  * Laney has a todo list now
[18:11] <Laney> and is going
[18:11] <Laney> happy holidays seb128!
[18:11] <Laney> and bye everyone else ;-)
[18:12] <xnox> \o/
[18:12] <seb128> Laney, thanks, have a good w.e and happy holidays for the week after that!
[18:12] <Trevinho> seb128: let me try with previous version though
[18:12] <Laney> xnox: ELECTIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
[18:12] <Laney> & happy hols to you also
[18:12]  * Laney wave
[18:13] <xnox> fun =)
[18:13] <Trevinho> bye Laney
[18:13] <Trevinho> enjoy the WE
[18:15]  * qengho lunch afk.
[18:16] <Trevinho> seb128: so... yeah, it doesn't work there... Let me check, but there's something weird going on
[18:21] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, had, I had gnome-shell-common installed
[18:21] <Trevinho> Ahhhhhh :)
[18:21] <seb128> but I was looking for 'org.gnome.shell.calendar'
[18:21] <seb128> the schemas is 'org.gnome.shell'
[18:22] <Trevinho> seb128: anyway it's a theming issue
[18:23] <willcooke> yay
[18:23] <Trevinho> by using adwaita there, it works.... So for some reason the bg of that window is white
[18:25] <Trevinho> seb128: so by forcing GtkWindow { background-color: transparent; } it works... Thus... I need to figure out where it using that bg
[18:25] <seb128> Trevinho, anyway, let me upload your gtk change and a gnome-calendar fix for the schemas issue
[18:25] <seb128> you can sort out the gnome-calendar case later
[18:26] <seb128> it's not an important bug
[18:26] <seb128> you probably have more important work on unity
[18:26] <seb128> and it's w.e time or almost ;-)
[18:26] <Trevinho> seb128: let me see whether it's something insinde the g-c thing. one sec
[18:28] <Trevinho> seb128: is there something inside the app forcing the style?
[18:28] <seb128> I don't know
[18:28] <seb128> I package it but I didn't look at the code much
[18:29] <Trevinho> mh, looking at the inspector, that color is defined by gtk-styles.css:5... Maybe it means it's something embedded?
[18:32] <seb128> could be
[18:32] <seb128> they have lot of custom rendering code to build the calendar views
[19:00] <muktupavels> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/gwd-fix-tests/+merge/289535
[19:03] <muktupavels> flexiondotorg, you should build also tests in compiz when you test your changes...
[19:04] <flexiondotorg> muktupavels, Understood.
[19:06] <Trevinho> muktupavels: since you're there... Could you please see if you can get these tests built by default and ensure they run on make check?
[19:07] <muktupavels> Trevinho, built by default when building debian packages?
[19:09] <Trevinho> muktupavels: yes
[19:10] <muktupavels> Trevinho, ok I will try to do it, but I will create it as separate branch / merge proposal.
[19:13] <mhall119> seb128: maybe a stupid question, but what would be the consequences of appmenu-qt simply not depending on libqtcore4?
[19:13] <mhall119> would the appmenu-qt code ever be used without qt4 being installed by something else?
[19:20] <seb128> mhall119, that's a bit hackish but might work... you should suggest it on the list ;-)
[19:27] <mhall119> seb128: done, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious :)
[19:27] <seb128> mhall119, I don't think you are, but I might be overlooking something as well, it's friday evening ;-)
[19:53] <willcooke> night all.  happy hols seb128
[21:09] <muktupavels> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/build-and-run-tests/+merge/289547
[22:54] <GunnarHj> infinity: Saw that you are about to accomplish the merge of glibc and langpack-locales. pitti mentioned it a while ago, but I thought you had postponed it. ;) My concern is the Ubuntu specific patches in langpack-locales. Are you about to move and refresh those to the extent they haven't been applied upstream?
[23:15] <infinity> GunnarHj: I'm going through them, yes.
[23:16] <infinity> GunnarHj: I would ask that, in the future, you file them as upstream bugzilla bugs, and poke me to get them committed upstream, rather than jamming them into Ubuntu as special sauce.
[23:25] <GunnarHj> infinity: Great. They have been upstreamed, but historically it has often taken forever before they get proper attention. If you have access to commit upstream, that's indeed a better way usually.
[23:28] <Fudge> matthias/doko use this channel?
[23:28] <GunnarHj> infinity: Btw, I was talking about upstream-upstream. Did you mean that or did you mean Debian?
[23:28] <infinity> Fudge: Tab completion says no.
[23:28] <infinity> GunnarHj: I am an upstream-upstream committer, yes.
[23:29] <GunnarHj> infinity: Excellent. :)
[23:29] <Fudge> infinity:  I noticed too, but Berlin time is 12am so thought maybe hw as not around. bind9 in xenial has some problems with postinst I think
[23:30] <infinity> Fudge: In xenial, or xenial-proposed?
[23:31] <infinity> Fudge: If you mean the file overwrite oops, that's fixed in proposed.
[23:31] <Fudge> proposed it looks like
[23:32] <Fudge> yes I do mean that, I'll check again
[23:33] <Fudge>  trying to overwrite '/usr/sbin/named-checkzone', which is also in package bind9utils 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-1ubuntu2
[23:35] <infinity> Fudge: Yeah, that was the broken version.  The newer proposed version should fix that.
[23:36] <infinity> In theory...
[23:36] <Fudge> is it published?
[23:36] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-3
[23:36] <infinity> Quite a while ago.
[23:37] <Fudge> thanks for the link
[23:41] <Fudge> wonder if it is not in the au archive yet   Candidate: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-1ubuntu2
[23:47] <infinity> Fudge: Some of the au mirrors are a bit slow.
[23:47] <infinity> Fudge: This, however, is a stellar reason why we recommend people do not run devel-proposed, ever. :P
[23:49] <infinity> Fudge: au.archive is 3 hours out of sync.
[23:49] <infinity> http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/ubuntu/project/trace/pepo.canonical.com
[23:49] <infinity> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/trace/pepo.canonical.com
[23:50] <infinity> Oh, which is normal for 3rd party mirrors.  We only trigger them every 4h.
[23:50] <infinity> So, business as usual.
[23:50] <Fudge> thanks heaps, it'
[23:51] <Fudge> I was watching proposed for the isc-dhcp problems but they seem to be resolved mostly now