[05:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> baizon: welcome :p
[05:49] <baizon> hi
[05:50] <baizon> so chit chat here? :D
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> baizon: we do alot of support, but never have a change to talk really, so here we are
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> baizon: yeah we share some ubuntu news n talk here
[05:50] <baizon> ok
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/17/microsoft_windows_10_upgrade_gwx_vs_humanity/
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> ms digging their own grave..
[05:56] <baizon> almost every single person in my company hates windows 10
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> baizon: your company forced to made the upgrade?
[05:56] <baizon> every company is forced :D
[05:56] <baizon> lucky im using ubuntu :D
[05:57] <baizon> lotuspsychje: also related... https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#technology-desktop-operating-system
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[05:57] <dax> we're on Windows 7. was having the discussion the other day about what we're going to do before 2020 (when it goes EOL)
[05:57] <dax> not really sure yet. Win10 is not appealing.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> dax: yeah 7 is best bet right now
[05:58] <baizon> yep, everyone is loving it also in my company
[05:58] <dax> we've done pilots of 8, 8.1, and 10, the only one time 10's done better than 7 is on touchscreens
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu will gain power this year :p
[05:59] <baizon> we will see
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> wait until xenial release, its gonna be a bomb
[06:00] <dax> will it usher in the year of the linux^Wubuntu desktop ;) :P?
[06:00] <baizon> the most promising is the new amd drivers, amdgpu got almost the power as fglrx
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> yayy
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> no more redirecting users to external links
[06:01] <dax> i am happy that AMD is phasing out fglrx, indeed
[06:01] <baizon> im happy that i got an amd card :D
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> + convergenge + new phone models + xenial,etc
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> im on radeon aswell on xenial
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> working like a charm
[06:01] <baizon> yeah me too
[06:01] <baizon> i just have 1 bug i guess
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> wich1?
[06:02] <baizon> grub timeout not working
[06:02] <baizon> i got the 10 sec timeout, even if i disable it
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> it isnt suppose to count by default
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> baizon: did you fresh xenial?
[06:03] <baizon> it is, but i got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/15413190/
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[06:03] <baizon> yep, fresh install
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> im not on my xenial box right now to compare
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> baizon: but i do remember this bug, seen it pass by on other releases aswell
[06:04] <baizon> really? ok
[06:05] <baizon> so ill check it out, because i thought its xenial only
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> dont think its xenial releated
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> no
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> we ve seen users struggling with that before
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> something liek this
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1273764
[06:08] <baizon> thanks, well i have to start searching on launchpad :D
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:09] <baizon> indeed, thats the reason, i also have 30_os-prober
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> aha
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> that last guy adds 0.1 to his timeout lol
[06:10] <baizon> well i did the same :D
[06:10] <baizon> best solution :D
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> did it work?
[06:18] <baizon> lotuspsychje: i wont test it :D
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:19] <baizon> i have to restart and im to lazy to do that :D
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:19] <baizon> will watch it on the next boot
[06:19] <baizon> ... after work :P
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme know it fixes later
[06:19] <baizon> ok, will reboot extra for you :P
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> lucky me :p
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> wow that was fast
[06:21] <baizon> lotuspsychje: yep did work :P
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[06:21] <baizon> lotuspsychje: ssd :P
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> wich brand?
[06:21] <baizon> Samsung
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> type?
[06:22] <baizon> Samsung 830
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[06:22] <baizon> but im switching this year
[06:22] <baizon> need 500GB
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> go for the 850 pro :p
[06:22] <baizon> i will ;)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> 10 years warranty
[06:22] <baizon> yep, and MLC
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> i know a server guy that hammered those for weeks 24/7
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> and never been able to break
[06:23] <baizon> yeah, i think Samsung SSDs are the best currently
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> yes they are
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> baizon: you installed preload?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !info preload
[06:24] <baizon> no, should i?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> yes sir
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> makes it even rocketfaster
[06:25] <baizon> really?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> yes
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> preloads programs before you start
[06:25] <baizon> just install, or do i need to edit some confs?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> nop just install and reboot (again lol)
[06:26] <baizon> it works for every hard drive right?
[06:26] <baizon> not only ssd
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> yes
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> i also tweak my fstab for ssd use
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> with the 'relatime' option
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> and swappiness to 10
[06:27] <baizon> ok, thanks will take a look into that
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> im planning to start an ubuntu business laptops/desktops/phones with only 850 pro
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> this year
[06:28] <baizon> =)
[06:33] <baizon> lotuspsychje: why swappiness 10?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> baizon: ssd takes a lot of work over for your system, so default 60 is best change to 10
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> baizon: same for firefox cache, set to 0 so your ssd takes over
[06:38] <baizon> "Ubuntu 8.04 and later uses relatime as default for linux native file systems", so do i need to set it or not?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> baizon: i recommend it yes
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> in your fstab
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> relatime works best for ssd on desktop
[06:39] <baizon> ok let me get into that too
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> baizon: anf tmpfs adds on fstab also
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> lemme find a link for that
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,size=15%,mode=1777 0 0
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults,size=10%,mode=1777 0 0
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> http://askubuntu.com/questions/78971/best-etc-fstab-setings-for-boosting-ssd-hdd
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> but for the fstab line itself, no discard just 'relatime'
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> and ubuntu does the auto trim itself, so thats good already
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> youl be like a rocket next reboot :p
[06:43] <baizon> ok swappiness changed
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> great
[06:44] <baizon> but is it also useful to change it on a HDD?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> baizon: the fstab tweaks no
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> better ssd only
[06:45] <baizon> i mean the swappiness
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> swappiness also rather when have an ssd
[06:46] <baizon> ok
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> preload can be used safely for both
[06:47] <baizon> ok
[06:47] <baizon> thanks
[06:48] <baizon> ok work time :D
[06:48] <baizon> see you later guys
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> baizon: cheers
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> add to favs ok
[06:49] <baizon> got it there already ;)
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> wb baizon
[17:05] <baizon> lotuspsychje: changed swappiness to 10, relatime is on by default on ubuntu, so i didnt had to change it
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> really?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> didnt notice on xenial yet
[17:07] <baizon> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15416047/
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> cool tnx
[17:09] <baizon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHevtrA6ZIs
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> lool
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> baizon: is that you?
[17:17] <baizon> lotuspsychje: noooo
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> chuuu chuuu
[17:25] <dax> relatime's been default in Ubuntu since at least 10.04
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> oh really?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> i think ive been tweaking on trusty noatime?
[17:26] <dax> and has been default in the kernel since 2.6.30 so yeah
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> lemme check here
[17:27] <dax> noatime vs. relatime is pretty insignificant performance-wise. i set noatime anyway, but it's not that useful
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> dax: lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ mount | grep sda
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> ./dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> no relatime here
[17:29] <dax> because relatime is part of defaults, so it's not listed explicitly
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> dax: but on xenial now its listed by default then?
[17:30] <dax> i have no idea what xenial does. i imagine it'd show up if you put it in fstab, but not sure
[17:30] <dax> (and that'd be redundant anyway, since it's already set by default)
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> right
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> dax: you wont be knowing where ubuntu stores that exactly?
[17:31] <dax> kernel defaults are stored in-kernel. i don't know how ubuntu generates fstabs.
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:31] <dax> but yeah, this has all been irrelevant since linux version 2.6.30 sooooo
[17:32] <dax> yeah, looks like it shows up in mount if relatime's in fstab, i just found a system here that's set up that way
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> dax: but what a bout on ubuntu fstab where it still shows noatime?
[17:32] <dax> noatime's completely different, it's not set by default upstream
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> ok well good when dont need to tune that for ssd then
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> auto trim and auto relatime :p
[17:34] <dax> basically, 1) filesystems have been mounted using relatime by default by linux unless told to do otherwise since 2.6.30, 2) Ubuntu started putting relatime in fstab by default at some point, and this became redundant when ubuntu started using 2.6.30, 3) noatime is infinitessimally better than relatime on normal workloads but seems to work fine for me so i set it anyway
[17:34] <dax> anyways, meeting time in real life, be back later
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> laterz mate
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/owncloud-pi-device-to-run-on-snappy-ubuntu-core-16-04-lts-and-raspberry-pi-3-501904.shtml
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> bbl have a nice weekend
[20:43] <Bashing-om> !uefi
[23:13] <pauljw> hi everyone