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magespawngood morning06:06
chesedohi magespawn Kilos07:16
Kilosmorning chesedo magespawn and all others07:17
Kilosinetpro ty for topic update07:17
chesedoMaaz: tell inetpro ok, thanks07:18
Maazchesedo: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode07:18
chesedoKilos: how do i get the last meeting minutes07:19
Kiloshm...07:19
KilosMaaz minutes07:19
MaazKilos: Sorry, no meeting in progress.07:19
Kiloshmm...07:20
chesedoMaaz: last minutes07:20
Maazchesedo: What?07:20
chesedobrr..07:20
Kilosif we remember to tell him everytime we will know where they are07:20
Kilosoh07:20
Kilosif you look in logs the night of the meeting you should see them07:21
chesedook Kilos07:21
Kilosi dont know is he posts it there though07:21
Kilosshould be directly after the end meeting command07:22
chesedoKilos: found it ty... the next agenda also seem right to you?07:27
Kilostell Maaz where to find the minutes07:28
Kilosi just read the logs of that meeting07:29
Kiloswell skimmed and see nothing from maaz07:29
Kilosand what a job to find the rights logs07:29
Kilosyeah agenda seems ok07:31
Kilosi missed kmf yesterday, slept the whole avy away07:31
chesedoMaaz: last minutes <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html07:32
Maazchesedo: Sorry...07:32
chesedoMaaz: help with factoids07:32
Maazchesedo: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.07:32
Kilosis <reply>07:32
chesedoMaaz: last minutes is <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html07:32
Maazchesedo: If you say so07:32
chesedoMaaz: last minutes07:32
MaazMinutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html07:32
Kilosnow after each meeting you tell him forget last minutes and then add the new link to last minutes07:33
chesedohmm07:38
SilverCodeOoooh, I see DebConf is happening in Cape Town this year08:03
inetproSilverCode: and you can even register now at https://debconf16.debconf.org/08:33
inetprogood mornings everyone08:33
chesedomorning inetpro08:33
inetprochesedo: finding the minutes is simple08:34
inetprojust go down the rabbit hole with the latest agenda to figure the date08:34
chesedolol08:34
inetproor follow the other rabbit hole by going to the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/08:38
inetproeventually there's some interconnect at some level08:38
* chesedo usually goes the agenda version, but wanted to add Feb's which was missing08:40
chesedoso hoped Maaz had them somewhere to not have to go to the logs08:41
inetprochesedo: you can even browse the folder on Maaz's host08:42
inetprosee: maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/08:42
* chesedo just figured something new08:42
inetprobut ssshhhh... don't tell anybody08:42
inetpro:-)08:42
chesedoah, just what i figured08:43
Kiloslol09:26
inetprochesedo: Rainfall/ Precipitation in Pretoria, South Africa http://www.pretoria.climatemps.com/precipitation.php09:39
chesedoinetpro: i was more interested in how march's rain stands up to the more local area's avg09:58
inetprounfortunately don't have that on record, sorry09:58
chesedowe used to keep track of the rainfall to be able to compare them hence the interest... ok09:59
inetproit's more than average at the moment, I'm sure09:59
* chesedo things march's alone is about 1/3+ of the years here10:00
chesedothinks10:00
Kilosyes very wet march10:01
Kilosbut way too late  for summer crops10:02
Kilosinetpro plant cabbages quick11:18
Kilosif winter gonna be wet youll have nice cabbages11:18
inetproyou think we'll have a wet winter oom Kilos?11:41
Kiloswell hopefully inetpro 11:44
Kilosbut plant near water anyway11:44
inetproKilos: have you got karee trees on your yard?11:45
Kilosbut the ground is well wet now so its a good start with lots of nitrogen available11:45
Kiloswhat is that11:45
Kilosthron trees11:45
inetprokaree bome man11:45
Kilosthorn11:45
inetprohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_lancea11:45
Kiloslol11:45
inetproan evergreen, frost hardy, drought resistant tree11:46
inetprogot a big shock this morning11:47
inetprolooks like a tree in the middle of winter11:47
inetprobeing eaten up by something 11:47
Kilosoh my11:48
Kilosants termites or a bug11:48
Kiloswhere are they eating it11:48
inetprothe leaves 11:49
Kilosi see our large pepper tree has most of the centre hollowed out and ants live there11:50
Kilosbut when rain is coming the move out eggs and all for a while11:50
inetprosome kind of moth11:50
Kilossjoe11:50
inetproor bug... not sure... should go check again11:51
* inetpro wbbl11:51
Kiloseven the hatched larvae of moths and things11:51
Kiloseat leaves like silk worms11:51
Kilosas jy dit wil keer inetpro boor n paar gate diep in die boom in , gate moet af wees, dan koop jy lennons balsem kopiva en gooi dit daar in en maak toe met n dowel of mooi styf passende stok11:59
Kilosdit werk ook vir vrugte bome om te keer vir wurms12:00
inetproKilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA12:17
inetproit's a bug12:17
* Kilos looks12:17
Kiloshmm...12:19
Kilosare there any whole leaves left12:19
Kilosbut they evergreen  sp will get new ones when bug goes to next stage12:20
inetproonly very few half eaten ones12:20
Kilostry identify the bug12:20
inetproyeah, nature doing its thing12:20
Kilosthe thing is there are many new bugs12:21
inetprohow do we identify the bug?12:21
inetproI got a nice pic of it there12:21
Kilosmny were imported to get rid of other things and moved on to local stuff when they ran out of food12:21
Kilosask tara12:21
Kiloshaha12:21
Kilosshe finds all kinds there and researches whether they good or not12:22
Kilosstupid girl even feels bad when stomping poisonous spiders12:23
Kiloshi kulelu88 12:23
KilosMaaz google bug identifying site12:23
MaazKilos: "Welcome to BugGuide.Net! - BugGuide.Net" http://bugguide.net/ :: "Insect, Spider, and Bug Identification - Information and Pictures of ..." http://www.insectidentification.org/ :: "What bug is this? - Amateur Entomologists' Society (AES)" http://www.amentsoc.org/insects/what-bug-is-this/ :: "Try This New Bug ID Tool from Raid® brand | Raid® brand | SC12:23
Maaz..." http://www.raidkillsbugs.com/en-us/bug-id :: "Insect Images and Identification — Depa…12:23
kulelu88yo12:24
magespawninetpro: can you post the picture/12:46
magespawn?12:46
inetpromagespawn: 03/19 14:17:37 <inetpro> Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA12:46
inetpromust be some kind of beetle12:47
Kilosno man a close up12:47
Kiloslake a lady bug12:47
inetproKilos: the 2nd picture is a close up12:47
Kilosllike12:47
Kilospic just of the  bug man12:48
Kilosnot tree or leaves included12:48
magespawni don't think your tree is a lancea though, maybe one of the other Rhus12:49
magespawni will check the beetle when i get home, it is not one i recognise 12:50
Kilostry spray some malation or something on the few half leaves12:51
Kilosotherwise photosynthesis stops and tree gonna battle to recover in winter i thinkl12:52
Kilosare those dead trees behind the same kind of tree12:53
inetproKilos: a zoomed in version: https://goo.gl/photos/vVmSsrPVN8oqd26L912:53
inetprodo you see it now?12:53
Kilosya post that on one of the bug sites12:54
inetprothat's from the same pic12:54
KilosMaaz google beetle identifying site for south africa12:54
MaazKilos: "Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle Collector" http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/ :: "Family Catalog page - Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle ..." http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/index-old.asp :: "Coleoptera (beetles) - Biodiversity Explorer" http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/ :: "COLEOPTERA COLLECTION - various beetle12:54
Maazfamilies - Agricultural ..." http://www.arc.agric.za/arc-ppri/Pages/Biosystematics/Coleoptera.a…12:54
inetproKilos: learn to use a proper browser that allows you to zoom in and out of pics12:55
inetpro:-)12:55
Kilosjy tender weer ne12:55
Kilosno amount of zoom can ever equal a good close up original12:56
inetprosee https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/image-zoom/12:56
Kilosbut that one is good enough to search further with12:56
magespawninetpro: might be Rhus chirindensis, but the names have been changed i see to Searsia12:56
inetprointeresting12:57
inetpromagespawn: hmm... not sure I agree with that one12:57
magespawnhttp://www.plantzafrica.com/plantqrs/searsiachirind.htm12:58
Kilosidentify the bug then see how to get rid of it12:58
Kilosforget the tree12:58
magespawnlancea leafs are supposed to be a longer and thinner12:58
inetpromagespawn: no12:58
inetprothese leaves are long when normal12:58
Kilosif you worry about the tree too much there will be no leaves left12:59
inetproin the pic they've all been eaten up to look so funny as the fo12:59
inetpros/fo/do/12:59
magespawnthe beetle looks more like a bug13:00
magespawnare the wings on the back hard like a dung beetle? wing covers?13:00
Kilosjust spray some water with sunlight dishwasher in and see13:01
Kilosif bugs go then you have saved the tree13:01
magespawnis there only leaves on the tree no fruit?13:02
inetproyikes! 13:02
* inetpro feels like becoming a real bug hunter now13:02
Kiloshahahaha13:02
inetprolet me go see again if I can get an even better view13:03
magespawnthe natural history museum in pretoria has a insect division that will identify it for you, also most universities13:07
magespawnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_pendulina13:07
magespawnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_tomentosa13:07
magespawni doubt the second one though13:08
magespawnKilos: some insects are specific to the trees or famalies of trees13:08
Kilosyes but finding the deterent is more important than identifying the tree13:09
Kilosits almost bald already13:10
magespawnthese are bugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera13:12
magespawnthese are beetles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle13:13
Kilosso what is that one of the pros13:13
magespawnthat is a good question13:14
Kilosits like a lady bug or lady bird i forget what we used to call them13:14
magespawni would try this family for starts http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/chrysomelidae/index.htm13:15
magespawnbut that might be a shot in the dark13:15
Kiloswe used to sing lady bird  X 2 fly away home13:15
magespawnbrb13:15
Kilosyour house is on fire and your children are alone13:15
Kilosinetpro try dishwasher spray man and see if they leave13:16
inetprotwo more pics added: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B613:19
inetprothere's also little green worms amongst the bugs13:20
Kilosspray13:20
Kilosfoget research for now13:20
Kilosdo that at night13:20
inetprothese things fly away the moment you get near them13:21
inetproand yes magespawn, the wings on the back are hard13:21
Kilosspray the leaves and see if it deters them13:21
inetproKilos: surely it will deter them, what's the point?13:22
Kilosto save the tree13:22
inetprothere's very few leaves left 13:23
Kilossave them13:23
inetprosurely the tree will not die completely?13:23
Kilosai! ek sukkel13:23
Kiloswho knows13:23
Kilosits going into winter bare13:24
inetproI'm just asking13:24
inetproit's an evergreen, new leaves will come soon13:24
Kilosare the dead ones behind not the same trees13:25
Kiloskill the cause not the symptoms13:26
inetproKilos: the tree looks small on the pic.. it's huge13:28
inetprono way that I can spray the whole tree13:28
Kiloslike if a jackal kills a lamb you dont spend weeks studying the carcasses woll and blood13:28
Kiloswool13:28
Kiloswell inetpro 13:29
pavlushka-!info wool13:29
Kilosspray those you can reach13:29
pavlushka-!wool13:29
Kilosand at least see in dishwasher can save some leaves13:29
KilosMaaz define wool13:30
MaazKilos: Wool \Wool\ (w[oo^]l), n. [OE. wolle, wulle, AS. wull; akin to D. wol, OHG. wolla, G. wolle, Icel. & Sw. ull, Dan. uld, Goth, wulla, Lith. vilna, Russ. volna, L. vellus, Skr. [=u]r[.n][=a] wool, v[.r] to cover. [root]146, 287. Cf. {Flannel}, {Velvet}.] [1913 Webster] 1. The soft and curled, or crisped, species of hair which grows on sheep and some other13:30
Maazanimals, and which in fineness sometimes approaches to fur; -- chiefly applied to the fleecy …13:30
* Kilos needs to sleep for a while13:31
pavlushka-Wow, you people really got a smarter bot!13:32
Kilosyes13:33
pavlushka-Maaz define pizza13:35
Maazpavlushka-: pizza n 1: Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese [syn: {pizza}, {pizza pie}]13:35
pavlushka-Maaz define yummy13:35
Maazpavlushka-: yummy \yum"my\ (y[u^]m"m[y^]), adj. Very pleasing or attractive; especially, pleasing to the taste; delicious; scrumptious. [colloq.]  Syn: delectable, delicious, luscious, pleasant-tasting, scrumptious, toothsome. [PJC + WordNet 1.5], yummy adj 1: extremely pleasing to the sense of taste [syn: {delectable}, {delicious}, {luscious}, {pleasant- tasting},13:35
Maaz{scrumptious}, {toothsome}, {yummy}]13:35
pavlushka-I am gonna stick around, it will work for me as an online dictionary13:37
pavlushka-Wow13:38
Kilospavlushka- you can pm the bot and not spam here13:38
pavlushka-Got it, Kilos13:38
Kilosgood lad13:38
pavlushka-I just said if i need and help i can ask here13:39
Kilosyes13:39
Kilosjust play with the bot in pm13:40
pavlushka-Sure, thanks for the suggestion, i got the point.13:41
pavlushka-I wasn't sure if its possible to pm a bot.13:42
pavlushka-Now i am.13:42
Kiloslol13:43
Kilosnot all bots are the same13:43
pavlushka-Yes, your one is smarter13:45
Kilosof course13:45
pavlushka-And in the dev channels, ubottu was kidding me.13:46
Kilosinetpro i forgot to add, in the week spend researching lamb carcass the jackal came back for 3 more lambs13:55
inetproKilos: give me a break, it's been a few hours since noticing the bug13:57
inetproI'll fix it soon13:57
Kiloslol13:57
Kiloswhat do you wantt broken13:57
inetprobushtech: wb13:58
Kiloshi bushtech 13:58
Kiloswhere you been13:58
bushtechhowdy guys you well?13:58
bushtechfixing things13:58
Kilosyes ty and you13:58
inetprobushtech: please help me to find the bug13:59
inetprohttps://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B613:59
bushtechgreat, computers running and had some welcome rain13:59
inetprobug eating away on our Karee trees in the garden13:59
bushtechget some horbills14:00
inetprohornbills eat these bugs?14:01
Kilosonly hungfry ones14:01
Kiloshungry14:02
bushtechworth a shot14:02
* inetpro goes shopping for hornbills14:02
Kiloslol14:02
Kiloshhahahahahaha14:02
Kiloshow you gonna keep them in one tree14:02
bushtechforget the local petshop14:03
inetproai!14:03
Kilosi gonna sleep now14:03
inetproKilos: too late for sleep now14:03
Kiloswill be offline till waking or i gonna laugh myself awake14:04
bushtechblerrie mexican14:04
inetprolol14:04
Kilosinetpro our big problem is14:04
Kilosnature could take care of itself till we started importing stuff to eat other things14:05
Kiloslike the stuff imported to eat those plants on the dams14:05
bushtechwhat he said14:05
Kilosand they found better things to eat than weeds in dams14:06
Kilossame as cochineal14:06
Kiloswas imported to kill wild prickly pears14:07
bushtechyep14:07
Kilosnow the wild prickly pears survive and the cultivated ones get killed14:08
inetproso who imported this bug of mine now so I can deal with them?14:08
Kilosfirst find where its from14:08
inetproare you contradicting yourself now?14:09
bushtechis it just my imagination or is there a helluva lot of ubuntu updates in the last months?14:09
Kilossigh14:09
inetprobushtech: what version?14:09
Kilosspray the tree14:09
bushtech140414:09
Kilosthere are many bushtech 14:09
Kilosmainly security14:10
Kilosand kernels14:10
inetproit's a daily thing these days14:10
Kilosyes14:10
inetprobut worse if you go to the latest14:10
bushtechbecoming a factor in my cap14:10
Kilosmine too14:10
Kiloshi Langjan wat het jy bebreek14:12
magespawninetpro: on my way home, will let you know what i find14:12
inetpromagespawn: thanks14:12
Kilosgo safe magespawn 14:12
inetprobushtech: it's a real nuisance but what's the alternative?14:12
LangjanLmga, hi guys, Kilos die been van die ou wat Oz visums uitreik 14:13
Kilosmooi14:13
Kilosnee nee man14:13
LangjanHoe gaan dit met jou?14:13
Kilosdie clearance mense14:13
Kilosok dankie14:13
Kilosmoeg maar mag nie gaan slaap nie14:14
LangjanOK sorry, gee die adres dan loer ek daar ook in met my beenbreker14:14
LangjanHoekom mag jy nie slaap nie?14:14
inetprosuperfly: what do you install for spell checking on quassel?14:14
Kiloshttp://www.saps.gov.za/talk/talk.php14:15
Kilosdie pro se so14:15
inetproLangjan: hy kan nie slaap as ek hom laat lag vandag :-)14:15
Kilostoe ek wou slaap toe vindhy goed om my besig te hou14:16
bushtechdont think saps do spellchecking14:16
LangjanHi inetpro hoe gaan dit?14:16
inetprogoed self oom14:16
LangjanAlles wel dankie, dis gaaf14:16
Kilosbushtech meet our real ballie Langjan 14:16
inetpromiskien ken die oom van die kewer wat ons soek... maar ek's seker mage[tab] sal hom vind14:16
inetproLangjan: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B614:16
Kilosdit vreek karee bome14:17
Kilosou inetpro 14:17
Kilosyou sure its not the worms doing the eating14:17
Langjanprettier bugs than those that eat computers14:17
inetproKilos: that is a good question14:18
Kilosthose worms most likely turn into those beetles anfter cocooning14:18
Langjanor their operators14:18
inetprocould very well be the worms, but the bugs are plenty14:18
inetproworms are less visible14:18
Kilosbreak the cycle14:18
Langjanso are you looking for a solution for such bugs?14:19
Kilosspray the tree14:19
inetproLangjan: ek het al amper gaan hornbills koop om die goed op te vreet :-)14:19
Kilosi hate easter egg adverts14:19
Kiloslol14:19
Langjanine14:19
inetproLangjan: nee, ek grap net... eers vandag die probleem raakgesien14:20
inetproKilos: you like eater eggs that much?14:20
inetpromake your own14:20
bushtechinetpro: whereabouts are you?14:20
Kilosthey too expensive man14:21
inetprobushtech: west of Pretoria North14:21
inetprotowards Wonderpark14:21
Langjaninetpro, theres a pharmacist in Pta who sells Bioway, harmless to humans and animals but keeps all insects away for long time14:21
inetproLangjan: http://www.bioway.co.za/ ?14:22
LangjanThat's it14:23
Kilosyou came almost as if sent Langjan 14:24
Kilosbut try get him to spray the tree and listen to all the excuses14:24
LangjanGreat stuff, we tried a 1 litre, lasted almost a year, have now taken 5 litres14:25
LangjanBut a tree is a bit of a prob, how big is the tree? 14:25
inetproKilos: that pic of the tree is from 2m upwards14:25
inetproand it's not the only tree14:26
Langjanoh, so the pics are of the actual problem? eish!14:26
LangjanI can connect you with a retired entomologist who may have good advice...14:27
bushtechis that one tree dead?14:27
inetprono, the tree is alive and well, just the leaves have been eaten away completely14:29
Kilosim sure as those things multiply unchecked they will destroy all them trees14:29
inetprojust eating the Karee leaves for now14:30
Langjankaree is indigenous, maybe bugs will stimulate them and go away in time14:30
inetproI'm sure it will be fine again soon, but have never seen it eaten as harsh as this14:31
Kilosi would just check if the bug is as well14:31
Kilosif its imported you have probs brewing14:31
inetproI'm sure others in the area will see the same thing... but I have no idea who has such tree here14:33
Langjaninetpro, whats the appro. size of the bug?14:37
inetprogood question14:39
inetprovery small actually but I didn't meassure the size14:39
inetprolength is definitely less than 0.5cm14:40
inetproI'd say between 3 - 5 mm14:42
Kilosthat sparay can you bought can spray up 2 metres14:42
Kilosspray14:42
Kilossave the tree and chase the bugs14:42
Kilosand drown the worms14:43
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Kiloseverything went dead14:52
Kiloshelloooooooo14:52
KilosMaaz coffee on14:52
* Maaz washes some mugs14:52
Kilosmaaz with cremora14:52
MaazAh! At last someone with taste14:52
KilosMaaz and milk14:53
MaazNow you're talking14:53
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!14:56
KilosMaaz ty14:56
MaazYou are welcome Kilos14:56
LangjanSorry inetpro had to go somewhere, I'm in touch with my pal the entomologist15:00
Kilosmooi oom15:00
inetprogreat, thanks!15:01
Langjanhow long have they been on the tree and do they have a hard shell? 15:01
inetproyes, hard shell15:01
inetproI only noticed this morning15:01
inetprowas raining this week so I didn't spend much time in the garden15:01
LangjanHe's in Gouritz, signals not so good15:05
Kiloswhere is that place15:06
LangjanJust west of Mossel Bay15:07
Kiloswhew15:07
Kilosyou spread your wings wide hey15:10
Kilosbet you he isnt on ubuntu15:10
LangjanHes not even connected exept with cellphone15:14
Kilosai!15:14
inetprohave added two more photos from another Karee in the garden15:15
Kilosteach him to use ubuntu and 3g15:15
inetproalso full of these bugs15:15
Langjaninetpro, he's watching the rugby, will get back to me tomorrow, will let you know. 15:16
LangjanYou can get advice here: http://www.daff.gov.za/15:16
inetproLangjan: no problem, thanks for all efforts15:16
inetprowho's playing now?15:17
LangjanNo prob, he suspects they are larvae of moths or butterflies15:17
LangjanLions and Cheetahs15:17
LangjanMy team unbeaten but gave Bulls two pasella point last night15:17
Kilosyes15:18
Kilosstrange that joe missed15:18
inetproyeah, that miss was painful indeed 15:19
Kilosthe pros team as well Langjan 15:19
Kilosons is piesang peeps15:19
LangjanThey celebrated too soon, put too much pressure on him - never count your chickens before they hatch15:20
Kilosyip15:20
LangjanCheetahs 3-0 to Lions, watch here: http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/lions-vs-cheetahs-live-streaming15:21
inetprowow, nice to see streaming services even if I will refrain from abusing my data for that now15:24
inetprowelcome back magespawn15:25
Kiloswb magespawn 15:25
magespawnty15:25
Kiloslol15:25
magespawni think your beetle is a Blepharida ornata Flea Beetle15:26
Kilossjoe15:26
Kilosfrom where15:26
inetprowow, cool find15:26
magespawnpage 250 of the Field Guide to Insects15:26
Kilosthe flea part is right15:26
Kiloswhen he gets close they flee15:26
magespawnit is supposed to only be on the low veld but the unusual weather might have caused the movement15:27
inetproendemic to southern India?15:27
Kilosoh my15:28
Kilosya came in with a shipment of curry and spices15:28
inetpromagespawn: did you see my latest pics?15:29
inetproalso some green worms there15:29
Kilosaw i missed them too15:29
magespawnFamily Chrysomelidae15:29
Kilosrepost please15:30
inetprolook again, oom Kilos: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B615:30
Kilosty15:30
inetprosorry for all the spam today15:30
inetproall part of the Ubuntu culture here :-)15:30
Kilosoh i did look15:31
Kilosnice place you have there15:31
magespawnhttps://www.pinterest.com/pin/274649277253328818/15:31
LangjanIf they dont bore into the trunk I think it is unlikely they will harm the tree 15:31
Kiloskillem15:33
magespawnthe adults are noted for aggregating on Rhus species15:33
inetpromagespawn: so you say one should make attempts to get rid of them?15:33
inetproor let nature take its course?15:34
magespawnthe tree should be able to survive it, it may be the late rain has caused them to all emerge at the same time15:34
magespawnthey are south african beetles, so naturally occuring15:35
* magespawn goes to do some more research15:35
Kiloskillem15:35
superflyinetpro: I've never consciously installed anything for spelling15:37
KilosLangjan you got the name of them bugs now15:37
inetproKilos: we don't kill our indiginous organisms man, they're all part of the circle of life15:38
LangjanYes thks will follow up on that15:38
LangjanBut agree with inetpro 15:39
Kilosif it damages my stuff i stomp it15:39
Langjanin the end you damege yourself15:39
Kilosno15:39
Langjanja15:39
inetprolol15:39
Kilosthey go eat the neighbours stuff15:39
Kiloslike the jackal15:40
inetprothe jackal is a bad example15:40
Kiloslol15:40
Kiloswell whe n the tree is dead then its too late to say i should have listened to kilos15:41
Kilosor at least have let him go sleep15:41
inetproKilos: het jy al kos gemaak?15:42
LangjanChhers guys, chat later15:42
Kilosnee sus hier vandag15:42
Kiloscheers Langjan 15:43
Kilost for the visit15:43
inetprobye oom Langjan15:43
Kilosty15:43
LangjanSlaap lekker15:43
inetproI see score is now 17 - 3 for the lions15:43
Kilosagainst who?15:44
inetprosorry for those cheetahs, but they won't make it today15:44
Kilossis watching miss za so no sports for me15:44
inetprosuperfly: I had spelling working in my previous version, can't remember what I installed 15:46
magespawnthat is about all the specific info i have, all the rest in on the family generally15:46
inetprothanks magespawn15:46
Kiloswell done magespawn q15:46
magespawninetpro the natural history museum might be interested because they are out of their norma range and in large numbers15:47
magespawnnp , i like looking things up like this15:47
inetpronatural history museum?15:47
inetpromagespawn: oom Lanjan is also in touch with an entomology buddy of his15:48
magespawnthe one in pretoria central15:48
superflyinetpro: I know you also need to right-click enable15:48
superflybut I think aspell or one of those should work15:48
magespawnthey have an awesome beetle collection15:48
inetprosuperfly: oh wow, such simplicity...15:49
inetprothanks again superfly!15:49
Kilosis that 16.04 inetpro 15:49
inetproKilos: yep15:49
superflyKilos: if you're using Quassel, it'll work on any version15:50
Kiloskeep note of everything ill get there15:50
Kilosna spell checkers dont work when you speaks two languages mixed up15:51
* inetpro was looking in the settings and everywhere else15:53
magespawnaspell?15:57
hibanaoom Kilos, konversation also has auto spell check 15:58
hibanasame place, just right click in the input line and enable it15:59
Kilosnee man wat dan van die taal15:59
* hibana ignores the funny lingo16:00
hibanabye16:00
Kilosonly gives 4 english options16:00
Kiloslol16:00
Kiloscheeky16:00
Kilosjy baie parmantig goosie16:01
inetprohaha, sorry oom16:02
inetproaptitude search "~ispell"16:02
inetprothat ^^ shows me I have the following installed: aspell aspell-en hunspell-en-us libaspell15 libhunspell-1.3-0 libhunspell-1.3-0v516:03
Kilossjoe16:04
Kilossame16:05
Kilosoh inetpro 16:05
Kilosi found a way to minimise miggies that eat me16:06
inetproso I need either aspell-af, hunspell-af, myspell-af or hunspell-dictionary-af for Afrikaans16:06
inetproKilos: tell me more16:07
Kilostable spoon apple cider vinegar , tablespoon balsamic vinegar  in a cup and make half full of eater16:07
Kiloswater16:07
inetprotried that16:07
Kilosthen few drops the green liquid soap16:07
inetpronot helping much16:07
Kilosdid you put soap16:08
Kilosalso i found the congregate on tea bags we put in a bakkie then i empty once a weak16:08
Kilosweek16:08
Kilosso i took half a cup of tea and put some insectiside in it16:09
Kilosalso with few drops soap16:09
Kilosthey both catch similar amounts16:10
Kilosinetpro did you put soap16:10
inetproKilos: I installed aspell-af and hunspell-af and restarted my quassel now Afrikaans is part of the list16:10
inetproKilos: no16:10
Kilosthose things can walk on water to drink and the soap lets them sink16:10
Kilosso they drown16:11
inetprowhat is eater?16:11
Kilosmade a big diffs here16:11
Kiloshuh16:12
inetprooh water16:12
Kilosya16:12
Kiloshad me there16:12
Kilosi cant find hunspell-af16:14
inetprohmm... 16:15
KilosCouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "hunspell-af"16:16
Kilosseems its only from xenial16:18
Kiloshttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=hunspell16:18
inetprojust install the aspell version oom Kilos16:19
Kilosi wish i could find that app i saw months ago that said it can install any ubuntu package into any release16:19
Kilosi did16:20
Kiloshello inetpro 16:20
Kiloseek all red arrows under your name16:20
inetpromooi!16:20
Kilosgoeie16:20
Kilosand there16:20
Kilosrestart coming16:21
kulelu88anybody working with ionic2 here?16:21
inetprokulelu88: not me16:21
Kiloskonversation so slow to get nick info16:22
inetproKilos: you mean after installing spell checking?16:24
Kilosno always16:24
Kilosnicks take long to show hosts16:25
inetprojust ignore it16:27
Kilosoh16:27
Kilosgoeie dag16:27
Kilosnope all red arrows16:27
inetproanyway, am happy to say that even LibreOffice does Afrikaans spelling with installation of the above dictionaries16:27
Kilosok anothe right click16:28
inetpronope16:28
inetproTools | Language16:28
Kilosyes to enable english and afrikaans16:28
Kilosthey werent ticked16:28
Kiloswhat a rigmarole16:29
inetprowhy rigmarole?16:29
Kilosit only works with one language at a time16:29
inetproyou one black magic?16:29
inetproyou want*16:30
inetproMaaz: define black magic16:30
Maazinetpro: black magic n 1: the belief in magical spells that harness occult forces or evil spirits to produce unnatural effects in the world [syn: {sorcery}, {black magic}, {black art}, {necromancy}], black magic n.  [common] A technique that works, though nobody really understands why. More obscure than {voodoo programming}, which may be done by cookbook. Compare16:30
Maazalso {black art}, {deep magic}, and {magic number} (sense 2).16:30
inetproif you use your language properly you use only one of them at a time16:31
Kilosnee man16:32
Kilosno way i gonna change it everytime i change language'16:32
inetproyou know how to type oom16:33
Kilosyes watch16:33
Kilosoom16:33
KilosOOm16:33
KilosOOM16:33
Kilossee16:33
inetprodoesn't mean if I need a spell checker that you also need one :-)16:34
Kiloshahahaha16:35
Kiloswhat are tabulations16:36
Kilosits an option under spell checker16:36
Kilosdont tell mre try16:36
Kilosi really need to go back to just za work16:37
inetproKilos: in LibreOffice?16:38
Kiloshuh16:39
Kilosno man16:39
Kilosin konversation16:39
Kilosi never use office stuff unless its to open something from email16:39
inetpronever seen it before Kilos16:42
inetproswitch if off and see what it does16:42
inetproor ask your friend google16:42
Kilosno google is your friend and you nasty to me16:43
inetpromeanwhile, lions 34 - 15 cheatahs16:43
Kilosty for that info16:44
Kilosi got caught today16:44
Kilosnormall switch to sports early and stay they till rugger finish16:44
inetprohaha16:45
* inetpro clearly bored today16:45
Kilosyes16:45
Kilosi havent had you fix anything for a long time so you getting lazy16:46
* inetpro wbb16:47
inetproand so the Lions win that games as predicted.... Lions 39 - 22 Cheatahs 17:22
inetpronext up, will the Stormers please stand up and clobber the Brumbies17:22
inetprowb MaNI17:23
MaNIthanks17:23
inetproKilos: are you sleeping already?17:32
inetproMaNI: how's your solarsystem going?17:32
MaNIhehe, still going strong, but still not on the roof17:33
MaNIlol17:33
MaNIbit of a running joke now, wife getting quite angry about it taking up the garden, I should really get it sorted17:34
inetproai!17:35
inetproremember EarthHour2016 will take place 20:30 until 21:30 on Saturday. Don't forget to switch off your 💡 for an hour & help protect the 🌍17:35
Kilosim watching that yay17:37
Kilosjust eaten17:37
inetproKilos: is it on SABC?17:39
Kilosmnet17:39
inetprosjoe17:40
inetproKilos: since when you upgraded your life like that?17:41
Kiloswe have always had mnet17:42
inetproah17:42
Kilossince it first came out17:42
Kilosbut even that is pricey for 2 more channels17:42
inetproI remember my father in law having that, how much do you pay for these days?17:43
Kilossis likes all the hospital shows so she pays17:43
Kilosi think 400 a month17:43
inetprocrazy stuff17:43
inetprocan't you get the dish and pay less?17:45
Kilosdstv is over 90017:45
Kilosi have a dish but decoder packed up17:45
Kiloswhen i came here i had dstv17:45
inetproDStv Access is R99pm17:47
Kilosna17:49
Kiloswhat is access17:49
Kilosmust have mnet17:49
Kilosmnet show movies before any of the za channels17:50
tumbleweedif anyone would like to get involved in debconf16, we could use someone local, to help out with registration of attendees17:50
Kilosits in CT right tumbleweed 17:51
tumbleweedKilos: yes17:51
Kilosyou wanna pop in on our monthly meeting tuesdy night17:51
tumbleweedI can try17:51
tumbleweedwhat time?17:51
Kiloschesedo can you add to agenda please17:51
Kilos8.30 za time17:52
Kiloslike in 40 mins time17:52
Kilosthere are many peeps in CT17:52
Kiloswe can try rope some in for you17:52
tumbleweedKilos: got it in my calendar, thanks17:52
Kiloswill be great to have you there tumbleweed 17:53
Kilosbeen a long time17:53
tumbleweedyeah, we have one local involved in this, but she's really better used elsewhere (and I think she'll burn out if she does this)17:53
tumbleweedthis is a great way for someone new to get involved :)17:53
inetproKilos: would be nice to fly there and take part, not?17:53
Kilosyeah17:53
Kiloswhat about maia17:54
tumbleweedregistration is open, btw. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00008.html17:54
KilosMaaz debconf is <reply> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00008.html17:55
MaazKilos: One learns a new thing every day17:55
inetprotumbleweed: I've registered on the site but going all the way to CT? ...17:55
inetproneed to think long and hard about that one17:55
tumbleweedinetpro: :)17:55
Kiloslol17:55
inetprocan just imagine it being a highlight of the year17:56
Kilostumbleweed have you spoken to maia17:57
tumbleweedKilos: no, I haven't. That's a good idea17:57
Kilosshe has been very busy and scarce here but i think she will make time17:58
Kilosshe always answers my mails17:58
tumbleweedthis is a problem. The good people get busy17:58
Kilosoh and highvoltage is there too i think17:59
Kilosmay be even drubin17:59
Kilosmaia will know17:59
tumbleweedhighvoltage is involved18:00
Kiloscool18:00
Kilosand fly of course18:00
tumbleweedhe is, too18:00
Kilosthere are lots of young guys down there18:01
Kilosinetpro please remember we try find some help18:01
Kilosand fly can push the lugs18:02
Kilosoh superfly 18:02
Kilosyou keeping up18:02
inetproyou are the man oom Kilos, talk to them africans as well18:03
superflyKilos: no18:03
Kilosthe africans18:03
Kilosoh in the africa channel18:03
Kilosya lemme rock them18:03
Kilostumbleweed did you ever go see our work http://ubuntu-africa.info18:05
tumbleweedI did see it, but not in a while :)18:06
Kilosi just watched the others work of course18:06
Kilosrefresh a few times and watch background change18:07
Kilosi love that site18:07
Kilosim sure you can sense the fly's input18:07
Kilosoh my inetpro only certain peeps canedit the agenda page18:10
Kiloswiki lockdown because of spammers18:10
Kiloschesedo you here?18:11
Kilosweekend is over18:11
kulelu88Hey tumbleweed, do you work with JS/AngularJS/Ionic ?18:15
kulelu88I don't mind helping out at DebConf. Anything to assist the open-source community. And also, I hope to get trolling rights for poettering/systemd :P18:16
Kiloskulelu88 register18:19
kulelu88typo here: "preceded by 9 days of DebCamp, from Thursday, 23 June to Friday, 1 June 2016." Should be 1 July 201618:21
Kilostumbleweed checkout typo18:22
tumbleweedKilos: mailed her18:26
Kilosgrewat18:26
Kilosgreat as well18:26
tumbleweedkulelu88: heh, was that in the e-mail?18:26
kulelu88Yeah, 1 June 201618:26
Kiloson the link you gave18:27
Kilosfirst paragraph18:27
Kilosinetpro stormers pushing hard hey18:28
tumbleweedkulelu88: oh well :P18:28
inetproKilos: score?18:28
kulelu88the sponsorship brochure should just quote the amounts in USD/EUR18:28
Kilos9/8 to stormers18:29
kulelu88Right now, 20,000 USD does not equal R200 000 :D18:29
tumbleweedkulelu88: also, no, I do very little JS :)18:29
inetproKilos, tumbleweed: I've updated the Agenda... up to chesedo to move around and decide where it fits in18:29
tumbleweedack18:29
Kilosty inetpro 18:29
Kilosstormers try18:29
Kilos14/818:30
kulelu88tumbleweed: There's so much batteries included in JS/Ionic. I swear, it scares me sometimes18:30
Kilos16/818:31
Kilos16/1118:36
Kilossigh18:36
kulelu88You watching the game or just following score? Kilos 18:37
Kiloswatching18:37
Kilosscore is for the pro18:37
Kilosand other geeks that dont do sport18:38
Kilosred card to one brumby for elbow and punches to stromer face18:45
Kilos19.1118:45
Kiloswb bushtech 18:46
Kilosinetpro 31/1119:05
inetprosjoe19:05
Kilosgo stormy peeps19:05
Kilosgame over19:05
inetpromooi!19:06
inetprodankie oom Kilos19:06
Kilosjy baie welkom oompie19:08
kulelu88so the big game this season will be stormers sharks19:09
Kilossharks beet them once19:10
Kilosbeat19:10
Kilosonly team to beat the stormers so far19:10
Kilosim so stupid you know19:13
inetproso the last game for the weekend starts at 23:40?19:13
Kilosforgot one has to login to edit wiki pages19:13
Kiloseish19:13
Kilosill be in dreamland because someone didnt let me nap this avy19:14
* Kilos wonders who that was19:14
Kilosand19:14
inetproJaguares against the Chiefs19:14
Kilosusings bugs as the distraction medium is so devious19:14
inetproKilos: no worries I'll fix the bugs19:15
Kiloslol19:15
Kilosthose arent our teams so we allowed to miss that one19:16
inetproKilos: no man, will be very interesting to see how this pans out19:16
Kilosits still a long time to go inetpro 19:16
inetpro:-)19:17
Kilosmonths isnt it19:17
inetproyou're excused oom19:17
inetprotomorrow in Sunday after all19:17
magespawnand a long weekend19:17
inetprois*19:17
Kilosyou gotta go to church early and pray for me man19:17
Kiloshow can i ever win without help from above19:18
kulelu88I still don't quite understand how it works. It is 15 rugby teams, 5 each from SA, NZ, OZ19:21
Kilosand the japs19:22
kulelu88which japanese team?19:22
Kilosand jaguars are argentina i think19:22
magespawnyes they are19:22
Kilosthey played the rebels today19:22
Kiloswhe i forget their name19:23
Kilossunwolves19:24
Kiloskulelu88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Super_Rugby_season19:25
Kiloswhen one spends a lot of time in front of a pc it is healthy to build up a sweat watching your favourite rugby team19:26
Kiloslike the bulls /sharks game was a nail biter19:27
Kiloskulelu88 arent you in jozi19:27
kulelu88what happened to the Bulls though. they were so good a few years ago and now they're like, useless19:28
Kilosmany new youngsters19:28
squish102im not a networking person. if i have a rand 192.168.1.128 - 192.168.1.159 or there about.. how do I do it in the / notation19:28
Kilossharks as well19:28
magespawnsquish102: cdr notation is for the entire subnet19:29
kulelu88most likely using ":"19:29
magespawn192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 is 192.168.1.1/2419:29
magespawnhttp://ctdbase.org/detail.go?type=taxon&acc=227855 the entire breakdown of your beetle inetpro 19:31
Kiloswow19:31
squish102so can i not subnet that range?19:31
squish102if that makes sense?19:31
squish102192.168.1.128/16 < looks something like that?19:32
* squish102 hates networks19:32
magespawni forget hold on a sec19:32
pavlushkanight guys, see ya19:33
squish102found a website to help. 192.168.1.128/27 would do it19:35
squish102trying to add acl's to pfsense router for squidgard19:36
magespawnhttps://www.pinterest.com/pin/430093833139667780/visual-search/?x=0&y=0&w=502&h=37019:36
magespawna visual subnetting chart19:36
squish102that is easier19:37
inetpromagespawn: thanks! Have posted a follow up of the bugs on G+19:42
Kiloslol19:43
Kilosmagespawn is the live bugsquad go to guy19:44
inetprodefinitely19:46
magespawncool beans inetpro 19:47
Kilosnice job magespawn bit of a change from sorting sites and wireless probs hey19:48
magespawnnice change of pace19:49
inetprochange of pace?19:49
Kilosso you dont need a rest, a change is as good as a holiday19:50
* inetpro just got reminded to install ipcalc on 16.0419:52
inetproone of those tools you always need available in your toolbox19:53
inetpro$ sudo apt-get install ipcalc19:53
inetproand then it's as easy as:19:54
inetproipcalc -n 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.019:54
magespawnif you want to set multiple dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces how do you seperate them with a comma or on a seperate line numbered dns-server1 dns-server2 etc19:55
magespawnsorry dns-nameservers1 and so on19:56
inetpromagespawn: why do it there?19:56
inetproon ubuntu server I simply edit /etc/resolv.conf19:57
magespawnwhere else? this is on a server19:57
magespawnokay19:57
magespawnand the difference is ?19:57
squish102doesnt resolv.conf get overwritten?19:58
inetprosquish102: if you're on a desktop and use NetworkManager yes19:59
magespawnthere is a warning not to edit this file by hand it get overwritten19:59
inetprowell maybe you're right as suggested by the following page:20:01
inetprohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/351168/diffrence-between-the-dns-setting-in-etc-resolv-conf-and-etc-network-interfaces20:01
Kilosi remember seeing that20:01
inetprobut I will have to check on my next server installation20:01
Kilossquirm showed me how20:01
Kilosyou run some script somewhere20:02
inetpromagespawn: and there's the answer to your question as well20:02
Kilosinetpro may i sleep now20:03
Kilosplease20:03
inetproKilos: why?20:03
Kiloshahaha20:03
Kiloswhy not?20:03
magespawninetpro: so i see thanks20:03
inetproKilos: 03/19 21:17 <inetpro> you're excused oom20:03
* Kilos bows in gratitude20:04
* inetpro thought he was talking in his sleep20:04
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:04
inetprogood night oom :-)20:04
inetprolekker slaap20:04
Kilosdankie, jy ook20:04
inetpromagespawn: unless things have changed in the latest versions I prefer to not have the resolvconf service running on a server20:05
magespawnokay, why? 20:06
inetprodon't see why it should be necessary20:06
magespawnwell i have set my server with a static ip address, so i can get to it20:07
magespawnso i suppose i do not need it to run20:08
kulelu88all servers run with a static IP, unless it is a localized server running on your ISPs network, then it will be dynamic by default20:09
magespawnthis is at home20:10
inetpromagespawn: in that case just read man resolv.conf20:11
magespawnwill do20:11
inetproalso read http://askubuntu.com/questions/131881/why-did-i-have-to-remove-resolvconf-to-get-dnsmasq-to-work-again20:13
inetproresolvconf can really be a pain20:14
inetprobut things keep changing, so it's best to read the latest and stay informed20:14
magespawni'll try to stay on top of it20:20
magespawnbedtime for me, good night all20:24

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