[06:06] good morning [07:16] hi magespawn Kilos [07:17] morning chesedo magespawn and all others [07:17] inetpro ty for topic update [07:18] Maaz: tell inetpro ok, thanks [07:18] chesedo: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode [07:19] Kilos: how do i get the last meeting minutes [07:19] hm... [07:19] Maaz minutes [07:19] Kilos: Sorry, no meeting in progress. [07:20] hmm... [07:20] Maaz: last minutes [07:20] chesedo: What? [07:20] brr.. [07:20] if we remember to tell him everytime we will know where they are [07:20] oh [07:21] if you look in logs the night of the meeting you should see them [07:21] ok Kilos [07:21] i dont know is he posts it there though [07:22] should be directly after the end meeting command [07:27] Kilos: found it ty... the next agenda also seem right to you? [07:28] tell Maaz where to find the minutes [07:29] i just read the logs of that meeting [07:29] well skimmed and see nothing from maaz [07:29] and what a job to find the rights logs [07:31] yeah agenda seems ok [07:31] i missed kmf yesterday, slept the whole avy away [07:32] Maaz: last minutes Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html [07:32] chesedo: Sorry... [07:32] Maaz: help with factoids [07:32] chesedo: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features. [07:32] is [07:32] Maaz: last minutes is Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html [07:32] chesedo: If you say so [07:32] Maaz: last minutes [07:32] Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html [07:33] now after each meeting you tell him forget last minutes and then add the new link to last minutes [07:38] hmm [08:03] Ooooh, I see DebConf is happening in Cape Town this year [08:33] SilverCode: and you can even register now at https://debconf16.debconf.org/ [08:33] good mornings everyone [08:33] morning inetpro [08:34] chesedo: finding the minutes is simple [08:34] just go down the rabbit hole with the latest agenda to figure the date [08:34] lol [08:38] or follow the other rabbit hole by going to the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [08:38] eventually there's some interconnect at some level [08:40] * chesedo usually goes the agenda version, but wanted to add Feb's which was missing [08:41] so hoped Maaz had them somewhere to not have to go to the logs [08:42] chesedo: you can even browse the folder on Maaz's host [08:42] see: maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/ [08:42] * chesedo just figured something new [08:42] but ssshhhh... don't tell anybody [08:42] :-) [08:43] ah, just what i figured [09:26] lol [09:39] chesedo: Rainfall/ Precipitation in Pretoria, South Africa http://www.pretoria.climatemps.com/precipitation.php [09:58] inetpro: i was more interested in how march's rain stands up to the more local area's avg [09:58] unfortunately don't have that on record, sorry [09:59] we used to keep track of the rainfall to be able to compare them hence the interest... ok [09:59] it's more than average at the moment, I'm sure [10:00] * chesedo things march's alone is about 1/3+ of the years here [10:00] thinks [10:01] yes very wet march [10:02] but way too late for summer crops [11:18] inetpro plant cabbages quick [11:18] if winter gonna be wet youll have nice cabbages [11:41] you think we'll have a wet winter oom Kilos? [11:44] well hopefully inetpro [11:44] but plant near water anyway [11:45] Kilos: have you got karee trees on your yard? [11:45] but the ground is well wet now so its a good start with lots of nitrogen available [11:45] what is that [11:45] thron trees [11:45] karee bome man [11:45] thorn [11:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_lancea [11:45] lol [11:46] an evergreen, frost hardy, drought resistant tree [11:47] got a big shock this morning [11:47] looks like a tree in the middle of winter [11:47] being eaten up by something [11:48] oh my [11:48] ants termites or a bug [11:48] where are they eating it [11:49] the leaves [11:50] i see our large pepper tree has most of the centre hollowed out and ants live there [11:50] but when rain is coming the move out eggs and all for a while [11:50] some kind of moth [11:50] sjoe [11:51] or bug... not sure... should go check again [11:51] * inetpro wbbl [11:51] even the hatched larvae of moths and things [11:51] eat leaves like silk worms [11:59] as jy dit wil keer inetpro boor n paar gate diep in die boom in , gate moet af wees, dan koop jy lennons balsem kopiva en gooi dit daar in en maak toe met n dowel of mooi styf passende stok [12:00] dit werk ook vir vrugte bome om te keer vir wurms [12:17] Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA [12:17] it's a bug [12:17] * Kilos looks [12:19] hmm... [12:19] are there any whole leaves left [12:20] but they evergreen sp will get new ones when bug goes to next stage [12:20] only very few half eaten ones [12:20] try identify the bug [12:20] yeah, nature doing its thing [12:21] the thing is there are many new bugs [12:21] how do we identify the bug? [12:21] I got a nice pic of it there [12:21] mny were imported to get rid of other things and moved on to local stuff when they ran out of food [12:21] ask tara [12:21] haha [12:22] she finds all kinds there and researches whether they good or not [12:23] stupid girl even feels bad when stomping poisonous spiders [12:23] hi kulelu88 [12:23] Maaz google bug identifying site [12:23] Kilos: "Welcome to BugGuide.Net! - BugGuide.Net" http://bugguide.net/ :: "Insect, Spider, and Bug Identification - Information and Pictures of ..." http://www.insectidentification.org/ :: "What bug is this? - Amateur Entomologists' Society (AES)" http://www.amentsoc.org/insects/what-bug-is-this/ :: "Try This New Bug ID Tool from Raid® brand | Raid® brand | SC [12:23] ..." http://www.raidkillsbugs.com/en-us/bug-id :: "Insect Images and Identification — Depa… [12:24] yo [12:46] inetpro: can you post the picture/ [12:46] ? [12:46] magespawn: 03/19 14:17:37 Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA [12:47] must be some kind of beetle [12:47] no man a close up [12:47] lake a lady bug [12:47] Kilos: the 2nd picture is a close up [12:47] llike [12:48] pic just of the bug man [12:48] not tree or leaves included [12:49] i don't think your tree is a lancea though, maybe one of the other Rhus [12:50] i will check the beetle when i get home, it is not one i recognise [12:51] try spray some malation or something on the few half leaves [12:52] otherwise photosynthesis stops and tree gonna battle to recover in winter i thinkl [12:53] are those dead trees behind the same kind of tree [12:53] Kilos: a zoomed in version: https://goo.gl/photos/vVmSsrPVN8oqd26L9 [12:53] do you see it now? [12:54] ya post that on one of the bug sites [12:54] that's from the same pic [12:54] Maaz google beetle identifying site for south africa [12:54] Kilos: "Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle Collector" http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/ :: "Family Catalog page - Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle ..." http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/index-old.asp :: "Coleoptera (beetles) - Biodiversity Explorer" http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/ :: "COLEOPTERA COLLECTION - various beetle [12:54] families - Agricultural ..." http://www.arc.agric.za/arc-ppri/Pages/Biosystematics/Coleoptera.a… [12:55] Kilos: learn to use a proper browser that allows you to zoom in and out of pics [12:55] :-) [12:55] jy tender weer ne [12:56] no amount of zoom can ever equal a good close up original [12:56] see https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/image-zoom/ [12:56] but that one is good enough to search further with [12:56] inetpro: might be Rhus chirindensis, but the names have been changed i see to Searsia [12:57] interesting [12:57] magespawn: hmm... not sure I agree with that one [12:58] http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantqrs/searsiachirind.htm [12:58] identify the bug then see how to get rid of it [12:58] forget the tree [12:58] lancea leafs are supposed to be a longer and thinner [12:58] magespawn: no [12:58] these leaves are long when normal [12:59] if you worry about the tree too much there will be no leaves left [12:59] in the pic they've all been eaten up to look so funny as the fo [12:59] s/fo/do/ [13:00] the beetle looks more like a bug [13:00] are the wings on the back hard like a dung beetle? wing covers? [13:01] just spray some water with sunlight dishwasher in and see [13:01] if bugs go then you have saved the tree [13:02] is there only leaves on the tree no fruit? [13:02] yikes! [13:02] * inetpro feels like becoming a real bug hunter now [13:02] hahahaha [13:03] let me go see again if I can get an even better view [13:07] the natural history museum in pretoria has a insect division that will identify it for you, also most universities [13:07] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_pendulina [13:07] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_tomentosa [13:08] i doubt the second one though [13:08] Kilos: some insects are specific to the trees or famalies of trees [13:09] yes but finding the deterent is more important than identifying the tree [13:10] its almost bald already [13:12] these are bugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera [13:13] these are beetles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle [13:13] so what is that one of the pros [13:14] that is a good question [13:14] its like a lady bug or lady bird i forget what we used to call them [13:15] i would try this family for starts http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/chrysomelidae/index.htm [13:15] but that might be a shot in the dark [13:15] we used to sing lady bird X 2 fly away home [13:15] brb [13:15] your house is on fire and your children are alone [13:16] inetpro try dishwasher spray man and see if they leave [13:19] two more pics added: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6 [13:20] there's also little green worms amongst the bugs [13:20] spray [13:20] foget research for now [13:20] do that at night [13:21] these things fly away the moment you get near them [13:21] and yes magespawn, the wings on the back are hard [13:21] spray the leaves and see if it deters them [13:22] Kilos: surely it will deter them, what's the point? [13:22] to save the tree [13:23] there's very few leaves left [13:23] save them [13:23] surely the tree will not die completely? [13:23] ai! ek sukkel [13:23] who knows [13:24] its going into winter bare [13:24] I'm just asking [13:24] it's an evergreen, new leaves will come soon [13:25] are the dead ones behind not the same trees [13:26] kill the cause not the symptoms [13:28] Kilos: the tree looks small on the pic.. it's huge [13:28] no way that I can spray the whole tree [13:28] like if a jackal kills a lamb you dont spend weeks studying the carcasses woll and blood [13:28] wool [13:29] well inetpro [13:29] !info wool [13:29] spray those you can reach [13:29] !wool [13:29] and at least see in dishwasher can save some leaves [13:30] Maaz define wool [13:30] Kilos: Wool \Wool\ (w[oo^]l), n. [OE. wolle, wulle, AS. wull; akin to D. wol, OHG. wolla, G. wolle, Icel. & Sw. ull, Dan. uld, Goth, wulla, Lith. vilna, Russ. volna, L. vellus, Skr. [=u]r[.n][=a] wool, v[.r] to cover. [root]146, 287. Cf. {Flannel}, {Velvet}.] [1913 Webster] 1. The soft and curled, or crisped, species of hair which grows on sheep and some other [13:30] animals, and which in fineness sometimes approaches to fur; -- chiefly applied to the fleecy … [13:31] * Kilos needs to sleep for a while [13:32] Wow, you people really got a smarter bot! [13:33] yes [13:35] Maaz define pizza [13:35] pavlushka-: pizza n 1: Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese [syn: {pizza}, {pizza pie}] [13:35] Maaz define yummy [13:35] pavlushka-: yummy \yum"my\ (y[u^]m"m[y^]), adj. Very pleasing or attractive; especially, pleasing to the taste; delicious; scrumptious. [colloq.] Syn: delectable, delicious, luscious, pleasant-tasting, scrumptious, toothsome. [PJC + WordNet 1.5], yummy adj 1: extremely pleasing to the sense of taste [syn: {delectable}, {delicious}, {luscious}, {pleasant- tasting}, [13:35] {scrumptious}, {toothsome}, {yummy}] [13:37] I am gonna stick around, it will work for me as an online dictionary [13:38] Wow [13:38] pavlushka- you can pm the bot and not spam here [13:38] Got it, Kilos [13:38] good lad [13:39] I just said if i need and help i can ask here [13:39] yes [13:40] just play with the bot in pm [13:41] Sure, thanks for the suggestion, i got the point. [13:42] I wasn't sure if its possible to pm a bot. [13:42] Now i am. [13:43] lol [13:43] not all bots are the same [13:45] Yes, your one is smarter [13:45] of course [13:46] And in the dev channels, ubottu was kidding me. [13:55] inetpro i forgot to add, in the week spend researching lamb carcass the jackal came back for 3 more lambs [13:57] Kilos: give me a break, it's been a few hours since noticing the bug [13:57] I'll fix it soon [13:57] lol [13:57] what do you wantt broken [13:58] bushtech: wb [13:58] hi bushtech [13:58] where you been [13:58] howdy guys you well? [13:58] fixing things [13:58] yes ty and you [13:59] bushtech: please help me to find the bug [13:59] https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6 [13:59] great, computers running and had some welcome rain [13:59] bug eating away on our Karee trees in the garden [14:00] get some horbills [14:01] hornbills eat these bugs? [14:01] only hungfry ones [14:02] hungry [14:02] worth a shot [14:02] * inetpro goes shopping for hornbills [14:02] lol [14:02] hhahahahahaha [14:02] how you gonna keep them in one tree [14:03] forget the local petshop [14:03] ai! [14:03] i gonna sleep now [14:03] Kilos: too late for sleep now [14:04] will be offline till waking or i gonna laugh myself awake [14:04] blerrie mexican [14:04] lol [14:04] inetpro our big problem is [14:05] nature could take care of itself till we started importing stuff to eat other things [14:05] like the stuff imported to eat those plants on the dams [14:05] what he said [14:06] and they found better things to eat than weeds in dams [14:06] same as cochineal [14:07] was imported to kill wild prickly pears [14:07] yep [14:08] now the wild prickly pears survive and the cultivated ones get killed [14:08] so who imported this bug of mine now so I can deal with them? [14:08] first find where its from [14:09] are you contradicting yourself now? [14:09] is it just my imagination or is there a helluva lot of ubuntu updates in the last months? [14:09] sigh [14:09] bushtech: what version? [14:09] spray the tree [14:09] 1404 [14:09] there are many bushtech [14:10] mainly security [14:10] and kernels [14:10] it's a daily thing these days [14:10] yes [14:10] but worse if you go to the latest [14:10] becoming a factor in my cap [14:10] mine too [14:12] hi Langjan wat het jy bebreek [14:12] inetpro: on my way home, will let you know what i find [14:12] magespawn: thanks [14:12] go safe magespawn [14:12] bushtech: it's a real nuisance but what's the alternative? [14:13] Lmga, hi guys, Kilos die been van die ou wat Oz visums uitreik [14:13] mooi [14:13] nee nee man [14:13] Hoe gaan dit met jou? [14:13] die clearance mense [14:13] ok dankie [14:14] moeg maar mag nie gaan slaap nie [14:14] OK sorry, gee die adres dan loer ek daar ook in met my beenbreker [14:14] Hoekom mag jy nie slaap nie? [14:14] superfly: what do you install for spell checking on quassel? [14:15] http://www.saps.gov.za/talk/talk.php [14:15] die pro se so [14:15] Langjan: hy kan nie slaap as ek hom laat lag vandag :-) [14:16] toe ek wou slaap toe vindhy goed om my besig te hou [14:16] dont think saps do spellchecking [14:16] Hi inetpro hoe gaan dit? [14:16] goed self oom [14:16] Alles wel dankie, dis gaaf [14:16] bushtech meet our real ballie Langjan [14:16] miskien ken die oom van die kewer wat ons soek... maar ek's seker mage[tab] sal hom vind [14:16] Langjan: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6 [14:17] dit vreek karee bome [14:17] ou inetpro [14:17] you sure its not the worms doing the eating [14:17] prettier bugs than those that eat computers [14:18] Kilos: that is a good question [14:18] those worms most likely turn into those beetles anfter cocooning [14:18] or their operators [14:18] could very well be the worms, but the bugs are plenty [14:18] worms are less visible [14:18] break the cycle [14:19] so are you looking for a solution for such bugs? [14:19] spray the tree [14:19] Langjan: ek het al amper gaan hornbills koop om die goed op te vreet :-) [14:19] i hate easter egg adverts [14:19] lol [14:19] ine [14:20] Langjan: nee, ek grap net... eers vandag die probleem raakgesien [14:20] Kilos: you like eater eggs that much? [14:20] make your own [14:20] inetpro: whereabouts are you? [14:21] they too expensive man [14:21] bushtech: west of Pretoria North [14:21] towards Wonderpark [14:21] inetpro, theres a pharmacist in Pta who sells Bioway, harmless to humans and animals but keeps all insects away for long time [14:22] Langjan: http://www.bioway.co.za/ ? [14:23] That's it [14:24] you came almost as if sent Langjan [14:24] but try get him to spray the tree and listen to all the excuses [14:25] Great stuff, we tried a 1 litre, lasted almost a year, have now taken 5 litres [14:25] But a tree is a bit of a prob, how big is the tree? [14:25] Kilos: that pic of the tree is from 2m upwards [14:26] and it's not the only tree [14:26] oh, so the pics are of the actual problem? eish! [14:27] I can connect you with a retired entomologist who may have good advice... [14:27] is that one tree dead? [14:29] no, the tree is alive and well, just the leaves have been eaten away completely [14:29] im sure as those things multiply unchecked they will destroy all them trees [14:30] just eating the Karee leaves for now [14:30] karee is indigenous, maybe bugs will stimulate them and go away in time [14:31] I'm sure it will be fine again soon, but have never seen it eaten as harsh as this [14:31] i would just check if the bug is as well [14:31] if its imported you have probs brewing [14:33] I'm sure others in the area will see the same thing... but I have no idea who has such tree here [14:37] inetpro, whats the appro. size of the bug? [14:39] good question [14:39] very small actually but I didn't meassure the size [14:40] length is definitely less than 0.5cm [14:42] I'd say between 3 - 5 mm [14:42] that sparay can you bought can spray up 2 metres [14:42] spray [14:42] save the tree and chase the bugs [14:43] and drown the worms === aquarat_ is now known as aquarat [14:52] everything went dead [14:52] helloooooooo [14:52] Maaz coffee on [14:52] * Maaz washes some mugs [14:52] maaz with cremora [14:52] Ah! At last someone with taste [14:53] Maaz and milk [14:53] Now you're talking [14:56] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [14:56] Maaz ty [14:56] You are welcome Kilos [15:00] Sorry inetpro had to go somewhere, I'm in touch with my pal the entomologist [15:00] mooi oom [15:01] great, thanks! [15:01] how long have they been on the tree and do they have a hard shell? [15:01] yes, hard shell [15:01] I only noticed this morning [15:01] was raining this week so I didn't spend much time in the garden [15:05] He's in Gouritz, signals not so good [15:06] where is that place [15:07] Just west of Mossel Bay [15:07] whew [15:10] you spread your wings wide hey [15:10] bet you he isnt on ubuntu [15:14] Hes not even connected exept with cellphone [15:14] ai! [15:15] have added two more photos from another Karee in the garden [15:15] teach him to use ubuntu and 3g [15:15] also full of these bugs [15:16] inetpro, he's watching the rugby, will get back to me tomorrow, will let you know. [15:16]