[06:06] <magespawn> good morning
[07:16] <chesedo> hi magespawn Kilos
[07:17] <Kilos> morning chesedo magespawn and all others
[07:17] <Kilos> inetpro ty for topic update
[07:18] <chesedo> Maaz: tell inetpro ok, thanks
[07:18] <Maaz> chesedo: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[07:19] <chesedo> Kilos: how do i get the last meeting minutes
[07:19] <Kilos> hm...
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz minutes
[07:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry, no meeting in progress.
[07:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:20] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes
[07:20] <Maaz> chesedo: What?
[07:20] <chesedo> brr..
[07:20] <Kilos> if we remember to tell him everytime we will know where they are
[07:20] <Kilos> oh
[07:21] <Kilos> if you look in logs the night of the meeting you should see them
[07:21] <chesedo> ok Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> i dont know is he posts it there though
[07:22] <Kilos> should be directly after the end meeting command
[07:27] <chesedo> Kilos: found it ty... the next agenda also seem right to you?
[07:28] <Kilos> tell Maaz where to find the minutes
[07:29] <Kilos> i just read the logs of that meeting
[07:29] <Kilos> well skimmed and see nothing from maaz
[07:29] <Kilos> and what a job to find the rights logs
[07:31] <Kilos> yeah agenda seems ok
[07:31] <Kilos> i missed kmf yesterday, slept the whole avy away
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[07:32] <Maaz> chesedo: Sorry...
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: help with factoids
[07:32] <Maaz> chesedo: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[07:32] <Kilos> is <reply>
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes is <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[07:32] <Maaz> chesedo: If you say so
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes
[07:32] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[07:33] <Kilos> now after each meeting you tell him forget last minutes and then add the new link to last minutes
[07:38] <chesedo> hmm
[08:03] <SilverCode> Ooooh, I see DebConf is happening in Cape Town this year
[08:33] <inetpro> SilverCode: and you can even register now at https://debconf16.debconf.org/
[08:33] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[08:33] <chesedo> morning inetpro
[08:34] <inetpro> chesedo: finding the minutes is simple
[08:34] <inetpro> just go down the rabbit hole with the latest agenda to figure the date
[08:34] <chesedo> lol
[08:38] <inetpro> or follow the other rabbit hole by going to the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[08:38] <inetpro> eventually there's some interconnect at some level
[08:40]  * chesedo usually goes the agenda version, but wanted to add Feb's which was missing
[08:41] <chesedo> so hoped Maaz had them somewhere to not have to go to the logs
[08:42] <inetpro> chesedo: you can even browse the folder on Maaz's host
[08:42] <inetpro> see: maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[08:42]  * chesedo just figured something new
[08:42] <inetpro> but ssshhhh... don't tell anybody
[08:42] <inetpro> :-)
[08:43] <chesedo> ah, just what i figured
[09:26] <Kilos> lol
[09:39] <inetpro> chesedo: Rainfall/ Precipitation in Pretoria, South Africa http://www.pretoria.climatemps.com/precipitation.php
[09:58] <chesedo> inetpro: i was more interested in how march's rain stands up to the more local area's avg
[09:58] <inetpro> unfortunately don't have that on record, sorry
[09:59] <chesedo> we used to keep track of the rainfall to be able to compare them hence the interest... ok
[09:59] <inetpro> it's more than average at the moment, I'm sure
[10:00]  * chesedo things march's alone is about 1/3+ of the years here
[10:00] <chesedo> thinks
[10:01] <Kilos> yes very wet march
[10:02] <Kilos> but way too late  for summer crops
[11:18] <Kilos> inetpro plant cabbages quick
[11:18] <Kilos> if winter gonna be wet youll have nice cabbages
[11:41] <inetpro> you think we'll have a wet winter oom Kilos?
[11:44] <Kilos> well hopefully inetpro 
[11:44] <Kilos> but plant near water anyway
[11:45] <inetpro> Kilos: have you got karee trees on your yard?
[11:45] <Kilos> but the ground is well wet now so its a good start with lots of nitrogen available
[11:45] <Kilos> what is that
[11:45] <Kilos> thron trees
[11:45] <inetpro> karee bome man
[11:45] <Kilos> thorn
[11:45] <inetpro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_lancea
[11:45] <Kilos> lol
[11:46] <inetpro> an evergreen, frost hardy, drought resistant tree
[11:47] <inetpro> got a big shock this morning
[11:47] <inetpro> looks like a tree in the middle of winter
[11:47] <inetpro> being eaten up by something 
[11:48] <Kilos> oh my
[11:48] <Kilos> ants termites or a bug
[11:48] <Kilos> where are they eating it
[11:49] <inetpro> the leaves 
[11:50] <Kilos> i see our large pepper tree has most of the centre hollowed out and ants live there
[11:50] <Kilos> but when rain is coming the move out eggs and all for a while
[11:50] <inetpro> some kind of moth
[11:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:51] <inetpro> or bug... not sure... should go check again
[11:51]  * inetpro wbbl
[11:51] <Kilos> even the hatched larvae of moths and things
[11:51] <Kilos> eat leaves like silk worms
[11:59] <Kilos> as jy dit wil keer inetpro boor n paar gate diep in die boom in , gate moet af wees, dan koop jy lennons balsem kopiva en gooi dit daar in en maak toe met n dowel of mooi styf passende stok
[12:00] <Kilos> dit werk ook vir vrugte bome om te keer vir wurms
[12:17] <inetpro> Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA
[12:17] <inetpro> it's a bug
[12:17]  * Kilos looks
[12:19] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:19] <Kilos> are there any whole leaves left
[12:20] <Kilos> but they evergreen  sp will get new ones when bug goes to next stage
[12:20] <inetpro> only very few half eaten ones
[12:20] <Kilos> try identify the bug
[12:20] <inetpro> yeah, nature doing its thing
[12:21] <Kilos> the thing is there are many new bugs
[12:21] <inetpro> how do we identify the bug?
[12:21] <inetpro> I got a nice pic of it there
[12:21] <Kilos> mny were imported to get rid of other things and moved on to local stuff when they ran out of food
[12:21] <Kilos> ask tara
[12:21] <Kilos> haha
[12:22] <Kilos> she finds all kinds there and researches whether they good or not
[12:23] <Kilos> stupid girl even feels bad when stomping poisonous spiders
[12:23] <Kilos> hi kulelu88 
[12:23] <Kilos> Maaz google bug identifying site
[12:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "Welcome to BugGuide.Net! - BugGuide.Net" http://bugguide.net/ :: "Insect, Spider, and Bug Identification - Information and Pictures of ..." http://www.insectidentification.org/ :: "What bug is this? - Amateur Entomologists' Society (AES)" http://www.amentsoc.org/insects/what-bug-is-this/ :: "Try This New Bug ID Tool from Raid® brand | Raid® brand | SC
[12:23] <Maaz> ..." http://www.raidkillsbugs.com/en-us/bug-id :: "Insect Images and Identification — Depa…
[12:24] <kulelu88> yo
[12:46] <magespawn> inetpro: can you post the picture/
[12:46] <magespawn> ?
[12:46] <inetpro> magespawn: 03/19 14:17:37 <inetpro> Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA
[12:47] <inetpro> must be some kind of beetle
[12:47] <Kilos> no man a close up
[12:47] <Kilos> lake a lady bug
[12:47] <inetpro> Kilos: the 2nd picture is a close up
[12:47] <Kilos> llike
[12:48] <Kilos> pic just of the  bug man
[12:48] <Kilos> not tree or leaves included
[12:49] <magespawn> i don't think your tree is a lancea though, maybe one of the other Rhus
[12:50] <magespawn> i will check the beetle when i get home, it is not one i recognise 
[12:51] <Kilos> try spray some malation or something on the few half leaves
[12:52] <Kilos> otherwise photosynthesis stops and tree gonna battle to recover in winter i thinkl
[12:53] <Kilos> are those dead trees behind the same kind of tree
[12:53] <inetpro> Kilos: a zoomed in version: https://goo.gl/photos/vVmSsrPVN8oqd26L9
[12:53] <inetpro> do you see it now?
[12:54] <Kilos> ya post that on one of the bug sites
[12:54] <inetpro> that's from the same pic
[12:54] <Kilos> Maaz google beetle identifying site for south africa
[12:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle Collector" http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/ :: "Family Catalog page - Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle ..." http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/index-old.asp :: "Coleoptera (beetles) - Biodiversity Explorer" http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/ :: "COLEOPTERA COLLECTION - various beetle
[12:54] <Maaz> families - Agricultural ..." http://www.arc.agric.za/arc-ppri/Pages/Biosystematics/Coleoptera.a…
[12:55] <inetpro> Kilos: learn to use a proper browser that allows you to zoom in and out of pics
[12:55] <inetpro> :-)
[12:55] <Kilos> jy tender weer ne
[12:56] <Kilos> no amount of zoom can ever equal a good close up original
[12:56] <inetpro> see https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/image-zoom/
[12:56] <Kilos> but that one is good enough to search further with
[12:56] <magespawn> inetpro: might be Rhus chirindensis, but the names have been changed i see to Searsia
[12:57] <inetpro> interesting
[12:57] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... not sure I agree with that one
[12:58] <magespawn> http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantqrs/searsiachirind.htm
[12:58] <Kilos> identify the bug then see how to get rid of it
[12:58] <Kilos> forget the tree
[12:58] <magespawn> lancea leafs are supposed to be a longer and thinner
[12:58] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[12:58] <inetpro> these leaves are long when normal
[12:59] <Kilos> if you worry about the tree too much there will be no leaves left
[12:59] <inetpro> in the pic they've all been eaten up to look so funny as the fo
[12:59] <inetpro> s/fo/do/
[13:00] <magespawn> the beetle looks more like a bug
[13:00] <magespawn> are the wings on the back hard like a dung beetle? wing covers?
[13:01] <Kilos> just spray some water with sunlight dishwasher in and see
[13:01] <Kilos> if bugs go then you have saved the tree
[13:02] <magespawn> is there only leaves on the tree no fruit?
[13:02] <inetpro> yikes! 
[13:02]  * inetpro feels like becoming a real bug hunter now
[13:02] <Kilos> hahahaha
[13:03] <inetpro> let me go see again if I can get an even better view
[13:07] <magespawn> the natural history museum in pretoria has a insect division that will identify it for you, also most universities
[13:07] <magespawn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_pendulina
[13:07] <magespawn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_tomentosa
[13:08] <magespawn> i doubt the second one though
[13:08] <magespawn> Kilos: some insects are specific to the trees or famalies of trees
[13:09] <Kilos> yes but finding the deterent is more important than identifying the tree
[13:10] <Kilos> its almost bald already
[13:12] <magespawn> these are bugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera
[13:13] <magespawn> these are beetles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle
[13:13] <Kilos> so what is that one of the pros
[13:14] <magespawn> that is a good question
[13:14] <Kilos> its like a lady bug or lady bird i forget what we used to call them
[13:15] <magespawn> i would try this family for starts http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/chrysomelidae/index.htm
[13:15] <magespawn> but that might be a shot in the dark
[13:15] <Kilos> we used to sing lady bird  X 2 fly away home
[13:15] <magespawn> brb
[13:15] <Kilos> your house is on fire and your children are alone
[13:16] <Kilos> inetpro try dishwasher spray man and see if they leave
[13:19] <inetpro> two more pics added: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[13:20] <inetpro> there's also little green worms amongst the bugs
[13:20] <Kilos> spray
[13:20] <Kilos> foget research for now
[13:20] <Kilos> do that at night
[13:21] <inetpro> these things fly away the moment you get near them
[13:21] <inetpro> and yes magespawn, the wings on the back are hard
[13:21] <Kilos> spray the leaves and see if it deters them
[13:22] <inetpro> Kilos: surely it will deter them, what's the point?
[13:22] <Kilos> to save the tree
[13:23] <inetpro> there's very few leaves left 
[13:23] <Kilos> save them
[13:23] <inetpro> surely the tree will not die completely?
[13:23] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[13:23] <Kilos> who knows
[13:24] <Kilos> its going into winter bare
[13:24] <inetpro> I'm just asking
[13:24] <inetpro> it's an evergreen, new leaves will come soon
[13:25] <Kilos> are the dead ones behind not the same trees
[13:26] <Kilos> kill the cause not the symptoms
[13:28] <inetpro> Kilos: the tree looks small on the pic.. it's huge
[13:28] <inetpro> no way that I can spray the whole tree
[13:28] <Kilos> like if a jackal kills a lamb you dont spend weeks studying the carcasses woll and blood
[13:28] <Kilos> wool
[13:29] <Kilos> well inetpro 
[13:29] <pavlushka-> !info wool
[13:29] <Kilos> spray those you can reach
[13:29] <pavlushka-> !wool
[13:29] <Kilos> and at least see in dishwasher can save some leaves
[13:30] <Kilos> Maaz define wool
[13:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Wool \Wool\ (w[oo^]l), n. [OE. wolle, wulle, AS. wull; akin to D. wol, OHG. wolla, G. wolle, Icel. & Sw. ull, Dan. uld, Goth, wulla, Lith. vilna, Russ. volna, L. vellus, Skr. [=u]r[.n][=a] wool, v[.r] to cover. [root]146, 287. Cf. {Flannel}, {Velvet}.] [1913 Webster] 1. The soft and curled, or crisped, species of hair which grows on sheep and some other
[13:30] <Maaz> animals, and which in fineness sometimes approaches to fur; -- chiefly applied to the fleecy …
[13:31]  * Kilos needs to sleep for a while
[13:32] <pavlushka-> Wow, you people really got a smarter bot!
[13:33] <Kilos> yes
[13:35] <pavlushka-> Maaz define pizza
[13:35] <Maaz> pavlushka-: pizza n 1: Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese [syn: {pizza}, {pizza pie}]
[13:35] <pavlushka-> Maaz define yummy
[13:35] <Maaz> pavlushka-: yummy \yum"my\ (y[u^]m"m[y^]), adj. Very pleasing or attractive; especially, pleasing to the taste; delicious; scrumptious. [colloq.]  Syn: delectable, delicious, luscious, pleasant-tasting, scrumptious, toothsome. [PJC + WordNet 1.5], yummy adj 1: extremely pleasing to the sense of taste [syn: {delectable}, {delicious}, {luscious}, {pleasant- tasting},
[13:35] <Maaz> {scrumptious}, {toothsome}, {yummy}]
[13:37] <pavlushka-> I am gonna stick around, it will work for me as an online dictionary
[13:38] <pavlushka-> Wow
[13:38] <Kilos> pavlushka- you can pm the bot and not spam here
[13:38] <pavlushka-> Got it, Kilos
[13:38] <Kilos> good lad
[13:39] <pavlushka-> I just said if i need and help i can ask here
[13:39] <Kilos> yes
[13:40] <Kilos> just play with the bot in pm
[13:41] <pavlushka-> Sure, thanks for the suggestion, i got the point.
[13:42] <pavlushka-> I wasn't sure if its possible to pm a bot.
[13:42] <pavlushka-> Now i am.
[13:43] <Kilos> lol
[13:43] <Kilos> not all bots are the same
[13:45] <pavlushka-> Yes, your one is smarter
[13:45] <Kilos> of course
[13:46] <pavlushka-> And in the dev channels, ubottu was kidding me.
[13:55] <Kilos> inetpro i forgot to add, in the week spend researching lamb carcass the jackal came back for 3 more lambs
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: give me a break, it's been a few hours since noticing the bug
[13:57] <inetpro> I'll fix it soon
[13:57] <Kilos> lol
[13:57] <Kilos> what do you wantt broken
[13:58] <inetpro> bushtech: wb
[13:58] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[13:58] <Kilos> where you been
[13:58] <bushtech> howdy guys you well?
[13:58] <bushtech> fixing things
[13:58] <Kilos> yes ty and you
[13:59] <inetpro> bushtech: please help me to find the bug
[13:59] <inetpro> https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[13:59] <bushtech> great, computers running and had some welcome rain
[13:59] <inetpro> bug eating away on our Karee trees in the garden
[14:00] <bushtech> get some horbills
[14:01] <inetpro> hornbills eat these bugs?
[14:01] <Kilos> only hungfry ones
[14:02] <Kilos> hungry
[14:02] <bushtech> worth a shot
[14:02]  * inetpro goes shopping for hornbills
[14:02] <Kilos> lol
[14:02] <Kilos> hhahahahahaha
[14:02] <Kilos> how you gonna keep them in one tree
[14:03] <bushtech> forget the local petshop
[14:03] <inetpro> ai!
[14:03] <Kilos> i gonna sleep now
[14:03] <inetpro> Kilos: too late for sleep now
[14:04] <Kilos> will be offline till waking or i gonna laugh myself awake
[14:04] <bushtech> blerrie mexican
[14:04] <inetpro> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> inetpro our big problem is
[14:05] <Kilos> nature could take care of itself till we started importing stuff to eat other things
[14:05] <Kilos> like the stuff imported to eat those plants on the dams
[14:05] <bushtech> what he said
[14:06] <Kilos> and they found better things to eat than weeds in dams
[14:06] <Kilos> same as cochineal
[14:07] <Kilos> was imported to kill wild prickly pears
[14:07] <bushtech> yep
[14:08] <Kilos> now the wild prickly pears survive and the cultivated ones get killed
[14:08] <inetpro> so who imported this bug of mine now so I can deal with them?
[14:08] <Kilos> first find where its from
[14:09] <inetpro> are you contradicting yourself now?
[14:09] <bushtech> is it just my imagination or is there a helluva lot of ubuntu updates in the last months?
[14:09] <Kilos> sigh
[14:09] <inetpro> bushtech: what version?
[14:09] <Kilos> spray the tree
[14:09] <bushtech> 1404
[14:09] <Kilos> there are many bushtech 
[14:10] <Kilos> mainly security
[14:10] <Kilos> and kernels
[14:10] <inetpro> it's a daily thing these days
[14:10] <Kilos> yes
[14:10] <inetpro> but worse if you go to the latest
[14:10] <bushtech> becoming a factor in my cap
[14:10] <Kilos> mine too
[14:12] <Kilos> hi Langjan wat het jy bebreek
[14:12] <magespawn> inetpro: on my way home, will let you know what i find
[14:12] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks
[14:12] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[14:12] <inetpro> bushtech: it's a real nuisance but what's the alternative?
[14:13] <Langjan> Lmga, hi guys, Kilos die been van die ou wat Oz visums uitreik 
[14:13] <Kilos> mooi
[14:13] <Kilos> nee nee man
[14:13] <Langjan> Hoe gaan dit met jou?
[14:13] <Kilos> die clearance mense
[14:13] <Kilos> ok dankie
[14:14] <Kilos> moeg maar mag nie gaan slaap nie
[14:14] <Langjan> OK sorry, gee die adres dan loer ek daar ook in met my beenbreker
[14:14] <Langjan> Hoekom mag jy nie slaap nie?
[14:14] <inetpro> superfly: what do you install for spell checking on quassel?
[14:15] <Kilos> http://www.saps.gov.za/talk/talk.php
[14:15] <Kilos> die pro se so
[14:15] <inetpro> Langjan: hy kan nie slaap as ek hom laat lag vandag :-)
[14:16] <Kilos> toe ek wou slaap toe vindhy goed om my besig te hou
[14:16] <bushtech> dont think saps do spellchecking
[14:16] <Langjan> Hi inetpro hoe gaan dit?
[14:16] <inetpro> goed self oom
[14:16] <Langjan> Alles wel dankie, dis gaaf
[14:16] <Kilos> bushtech meet our real ballie Langjan 
[14:16] <inetpro> miskien ken die oom van die kewer wat ons soek... maar ek's seker mage[tab] sal hom vind
[14:16] <inetpro> Langjan: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[14:17] <Kilos> dit vreek karee bome
[14:17] <Kilos> ou inetpro 
[14:17] <Kilos> you sure its not the worms doing the eating
[14:17] <Langjan> prettier bugs than those that eat computers
[14:18] <inetpro> Kilos: that is a good question
[14:18] <Kilos> those worms most likely turn into those beetles anfter cocooning
[14:18] <Langjan> or their operators
[14:18] <inetpro> could very well be the worms, but the bugs are plenty
[14:18] <inetpro> worms are less visible
[14:18] <Kilos> break the cycle
[14:19] <Langjan> so are you looking for a solution for such bugs?
[14:19] <Kilos> spray the tree
[14:19] <inetpro> Langjan: ek het al amper gaan hornbills koop om die goed op te vreet :-)
[14:19] <Kilos> i hate easter egg adverts
[14:19] <Kilos> lol
[14:19] <Langjan> ine
[14:20] <inetpro> Langjan: nee, ek grap net... eers vandag die probleem raakgesien
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: you like eater eggs that much?
[14:20] <inetpro> make your own
[14:20] <bushtech> inetpro: whereabouts are you?
[14:21] <Kilos> they too expensive man
[14:21] <inetpro> bushtech: west of Pretoria North
[14:21] <inetpro> towards Wonderpark
[14:21] <Langjan> inetpro, theres a pharmacist in Pta who sells Bioway, harmless to humans and animals but keeps all insects away for long time
[14:22] <inetpro> Langjan: http://www.bioway.co.za/ ?
[14:23] <Langjan> That's it
[14:24] <Kilos> you came almost as if sent Langjan 
[14:24] <Kilos> but try get him to spray the tree and listen to all the excuses
[14:25] <Langjan> Great stuff, we tried a 1 litre, lasted almost a year, have now taken 5 litres
[14:25] <Langjan> But a tree is a bit of a prob, how big is the tree? 
[14:25] <inetpro> Kilos: that pic of the tree is from 2m upwards
[14:26] <inetpro> and it's not the only tree
[14:26] <Langjan> oh, so the pics are of the actual problem? eish!
[14:27] <Langjan> I can connect you with a retired entomologist who may have good advice...
[14:27] <bushtech> is that one tree dead?
[14:29] <inetpro> no, the tree is alive and well, just the leaves have been eaten away completely
[14:29] <Kilos> im sure as those things multiply unchecked they will destroy all them trees
[14:30] <inetpro> just eating the Karee leaves for now
[14:30] <Langjan> karee is indigenous, maybe bugs will stimulate them and go away in time
[14:31] <inetpro> I'm sure it will be fine again soon, but have never seen it eaten as harsh as this
[14:31] <Kilos> i would just check if the bug is as well
[14:31] <Kilos> if its imported you have probs brewing
[14:33] <inetpro> I'm sure others in the area will see the same thing... but I have no idea who has such tree here
[14:37] <Langjan> inetpro, whats the appro. size of the bug?
[14:39] <inetpro> good question
[14:39] <inetpro> very small actually but I didn't meassure the size
[14:40] <inetpro> length is definitely less than 0.5cm
[14:42] <inetpro> I'd say between 3 - 5 mm
[14:42] <Kilos> that sparay can you bought can spray up 2 metres
[14:42] <Kilos> spray
[14:42] <Kilos> save the tree and chase the bugs
[14:43] <Kilos> and drown the worms
[14:52] <Kilos> everything went dead
[14:52] <Kilos> helloooooooo
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:52]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:52] <Kilos> maaz with cremora
[14:52] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[14:53] <Kilos> Maaz and milk
[14:53] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[14:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[14:56] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:00] <Langjan> Sorry inetpro had to go somewhere, I'm in touch with my pal the entomologist
[15:00] <Kilos> mooi oom
[15:01] <inetpro> great, thanks!
[15:01] <Langjan> how long have they been on the tree and do they have a hard shell? 
[15:01] <inetpro> yes, hard shell
[15:01] <inetpro> I only noticed this morning
[15:01] <inetpro> was raining this week so I didn't spend much time in the garden
[15:05] <Langjan> He's in Gouritz, signals not so good
[15:06] <Kilos> where is that place
[15:07] <Langjan> Just west of Mossel Bay
[15:07] <Kilos> whew
[15:10] <Kilos> you spread your wings wide hey
[15:10] <Kilos> bet you he isnt on ubuntu
[15:14] <Langjan> Hes not even connected exept with cellphone
[15:14] <Kilos> ai!
[15:15] <inetpro> have added two more photos from another Karee in the garden
[15:15] <Kilos> teach him to use ubuntu and 3g
[15:15] <inetpro> also full of these bugs
[15:16] <Langjan> inetpro, he's watching the rugby, will get back to me tomorrow, will let you know. 
[15:16] <Langjan> You can get advice here: http://www.daff.gov.za/
[15:16] <inetpro> Langjan: no problem, thanks for all efforts
[15:17] <inetpro> who's playing now?
[15:17] <Langjan> No prob, he suspects they are larvae of moths or butterflies
[15:17] <Langjan> Lions and Cheetahs
[15:17] <Langjan> My team unbeaten but gave Bulls two pasella point last night
[15:18] <Kilos> yes
[15:18] <Kilos> strange that joe missed
[15:19] <inetpro> yeah, that miss was painful indeed 
[15:19] <Kilos> the pros team as well Langjan 
[15:19] <Kilos> ons is piesang peeps
[15:20] <Langjan> They celebrated too soon, put too much pressure on him - never count your chickens before they hatch
[15:20] <Kilos> yip
[15:21] <Langjan> Cheetahs 3-0 to Lions, watch here: http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/lions-vs-cheetahs-live-streaming
[15:24] <inetpro> wow, nice to see streaming services even if I will refrain from abusing my data for that now
[15:25] <inetpro> welcome back magespawn
[15:25] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[15:25] <magespawn> ty
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <magespawn> i think your beetle is a Blepharida ornata Flea Beetle
[15:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:26] <Kilos> from where
[15:26] <inetpro> wow, cool find
[15:26] <magespawn> page 250 of the Field Guide to Insects
[15:26] <Kilos> the flea part is right
[15:26] <Kilos> when he gets close they flee
[15:27] <magespawn> it is supposed to only be on the low veld but the unusual weather might have caused the movement
[15:27] <inetpro> endemic to southern India?
[15:28] <Kilos> oh my
[15:28] <Kilos> ya came in with a shipment of curry and spices
[15:29] <inetpro> magespawn: did you see my latest pics?
[15:29] <inetpro> also some green worms there
[15:29] <Kilos> aw i missed them too
[15:29] <magespawn> Family Chrysomelidae
[15:30] <Kilos> repost please
[15:30] <inetpro> look again, oom Kilos: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[15:30] <Kilos> ty
[15:30] <inetpro> sorry for all the spam today
[15:30] <inetpro> all part of the Ubuntu culture here :-)
[15:31] <Kilos> oh i did look
[15:31] <Kilos> nice place you have there
[15:31] <magespawn> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/274649277253328818/
[15:31] <Langjan> If they dont bore into the trunk I think it is unlikely they will harm the tree 
[15:33] <Kilos> killem
[15:33] <magespawn> the adults are noted for aggregating on Rhus species
[15:33] <inetpro> magespawn: so you say one should make attempts to get rid of them?
[15:34] <inetpro> or let nature take its course?
[15:34] <magespawn> the tree should be able to survive it, it may be the late rain has caused them to all emerge at the same time
[15:35] <magespawn> they are south african beetles, so naturally occuring
[15:35]  * magespawn goes to do some more research
[15:35] <Kilos> killem
[15:37] <superfly> inetpro: I've never consciously installed anything for spelling
[15:37] <Kilos> Langjan you got the name of them bugs now
[15:38] <inetpro> Kilos: we don't kill our indiginous organisms man, they're all part of the circle of life
[15:38] <Langjan> Yes thks will follow up on that
[15:39] <Langjan> But agree with inetpro 
[15:39] <Kilos> if it damages my stuff i stomp it
[15:39] <Langjan> in the end you damege yourself
[15:39] <Kilos> no
[15:39] <Langjan> ja
[15:39] <inetpro> lol
[15:39] <Kilos> they go eat the neighbours stuff
[15:40] <Kilos> like the jackal
[15:40] <inetpro> the jackal is a bad example
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> well whe n the tree is dead then its too late to say i should have listened to kilos
[15:41] <Kilos> or at least have let him go sleep
[15:42] <inetpro> Kilos: het jy al kos gemaak?
[15:42] <Langjan> Chhers guys, chat later
[15:42] <Kilos> nee sus hier vandag
[15:43] <Kilos> cheers Langjan 
[15:43] <Kilos> t for the visit
[15:43] <inetpro> bye oom Langjan
[15:43] <Kilos> ty
[15:43] <Langjan> Slaap lekker
[15:43] <inetpro> I see score is now 17 - 3 for the lions
[15:44] <Kilos> against who?
[15:44] <inetpro> sorry for those cheetahs, but they won't make it today
[15:44] <Kilos> sis watching miss za so no sports for me
[15:46] <inetpro> superfly: I had spelling working in my previous version, can't remember what I installed 
[15:46] <magespawn> that is about all the specific info i have, all the rest in on the family generally
[15:46] <inetpro> thanks magespawn
[15:46] <Kilos> well done magespawn q
[15:47] <magespawn> inetpro the natural history museum might be interested because they are out of their norma range and in large numbers
[15:47] <magespawn> np , i like looking things up like this
[15:47] <inetpro> natural history museum?
[15:48] <inetpro> magespawn: oom Lanjan is also in touch with an entomology buddy of his
[15:48] <magespawn> the one in pretoria central
[15:48] <superfly> inetpro: I know you also need to right-click enable
[15:48] <superfly> but I think aspell or one of those should work
[15:48] <magespawn> they have an awesome beetle collection
[15:49] <inetpro> superfly: oh wow, such simplicity...
[15:49] <inetpro> thanks again superfly!
[15:49] <Kilos> is that 16.04 inetpro 
[15:49] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[15:50] <superfly> Kilos: if you're using Quassel, it'll work on any version
[15:50] <Kilos> keep note of everything ill get there
[15:51] <Kilos> na spell checkers dont work when you speaks two languages mixed up
[15:53]  * inetpro was looking in the settings and everywhere else
[15:57] <magespawn> aspell?
[15:58] <hibana> oom Kilos, konversation also has auto spell check 
[15:59] <hibana> same place, just right click in the input line and enable it
[15:59] <Kilos> nee man wat dan van die taal
[16:00]  * hibana ignores the funny lingo
[16:00] <hibana> bye
[16:00] <Kilos> only gives 4 english options
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <Kilos> cheeky
[16:01] <Kilos> jy baie parmantig goosie
[16:02] <inetpro> haha, sorry oom
[16:02] <inetpro> aptitude search "~ispell"
[16:03] <inetpro> that ^^ shows me I have the following installed: aspell aspell-en hunspell-en-us libaspell15 libhunspell-1.3-0 libhunspell-1.3-0v5
[16:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:05] <Kilos> same
[16:05] <Kilos> oh inetpro 
[16:06] <Kilos> i found a way to minimise miggies that eat me
[16:06] <inetpro> so I need either aspell-af, hunspell-af, myspell-af or hunspell-dictionary-af for Afrikaans
[16:07] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me more
[16:07] <Kilos> table spoon apple cider vinegar , tablespoon balsamic vinegar  in a cup and make half full of eater
[16:07] <Kilos> water
[16:07] <inetpro> tried that
[16:07] <Kilos> then few drops the green liquid soap
[16:07] <inetpro> not helping much
[16:08] <Kilos> did you put soap
[16:08] <Kilos> also i found the congregate on tea bags we put in a bakkie then i empty once a weak
[16:08] <Kilos> week
[16:09] <Kilos> so i took half a cup of tea and put some insectiside in it
[16:09] <Kilos> also with few drops soap
[16:10] <Kilos> they both catch similar amounts
[16:10] <Kilos> inetpro did you put soap
[16:10] <inetpro> Kilos: I installed aspell-af and hunspell-af and restarted my quassel now Afrikaans is part of the list
[16:10] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[16:10] <Kilos> those things can walk on water to drink and the soap lets them sink
[16:11] <Kilos> so they drown
[16:11] <inetpro> what is eater?
[16:11] <Kilos> made a big diffs here
[16:12] <Kilos> huh
[16:12] <inetpro> oh water
[16:12] <Kilos> ya
[16:12] <Kilos> had me there
[16:14] <Kilos> i cant find hunspell-af
[16:15] <inetpro> hmm... 
[16:16] <Kilos> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "hunspell-af"
[16:18] <Kilos> seems its only from xenial
[16:18] <Kilos> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=hunspell
[16:19] <inetpro> just install the aspell version oom Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> i wish i could find that app i saw months ago that said it can install any ubuntu package into any release
[16:20] <Kilos> i did
[16:20] <Kilos> hello inetpro 
[16:20] <Kilos> eek all red arrows under your name
[16:20] <inetpro> mooi!
[16:20] <Kilos> goeie
[16:20] <Kilos> and there
[16:21] <Kilos> restart coming
[16:21] <kulelu88> anybody working with ionic2 here?
[16:21] <inetpro> kulelu88: not me
[16:22] <Kilos> konversation so slow to get nick info
[16:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean after installing spell checking?
[16:24] <Kilos> no always
[16:25] <Kilos> nicks take long to show hosts
[16:27] <inetpro> just ignore it
[16:27] <Kilos> oh
[16:27] <Kilos> goeie dag
[16:27] <Kilos> nope all red arrows
[16:27] <inetpro> anyway, am happy to say that even LibreOffice does Afrikaans spelling with installation of the above dictionaries
[16:28] <Kilos> ok anothe right click
[16:28] <inetpro> nope
[16:28] <inetpro> Tools | Language
[16:28] <Kilos> yes to enable english and afrikaans
[16:28] <Kilos> they werent ticked
[16:29] <Kilos> what a rigmarole
[16:29] <inetpro> why rigmarole?
[16:29] <Kilos> it only works with one language at a time
[16:29] <inetpro> you one black magic?
[16:30] <inetpro> you want*
[16:30] <inetpro> Maaz: define black magic
[16:30] <Maaz> inetpro: black magic n 1: the belief in magical spells that harness occult forces or evil spirits to produce unnatural effects in the world [syn: {sorcery}, {black magic}, {black art}, {necromancy}], black magic n.  [common] A technique that works, though nobody really understands why. More obscure than {voodoo programming}, which may be done by cookbook. Compare
[16:30] <Maaz> also {black art}, {deep magic}, and {magic number} (sense 2).
[16:31] <inetpro> if you use your language properly you use only one of them at a time
[16:32] <Kilos> nee man
[16:32] <Kilos> no way i gonna change it everytime i change language'
[16:33] <inetpro> you know how to type oom
[16:33] <Kilos> yes watch
[16:33] <Kilos> oom
[16:33] <Kilos> OOm
[16:33] <Kilos> OOM
[16:33] <Kilos> see
[16:34] <inetpro> doesn't mean if I need a spell checker that you also need one :-)
[16:35] <Kilos> hahahaha
[16:36] <Kilos> what are tabulations
[16:36] <Kilos> its an option under spell checker
[16:36] <Kilos> dont tell mre try
[16:37] <Kilos> i really need to go back to just za work
[16:38] <inetpro> Kilos: in LibreOffice?
[16:39] <Kilos> huh
[16:39] <Kilos> no man
[16:39] <Kilos> in konversation
[16:39] <Kilos> i never use office stuff unless its to open something from email
[16:42] <inetpro> never seen it before Kilos
[16:42] <inetpro> switch if off and see what it does
[16:42] <inetpro> or ask your friend google
[16:43] <Kilos> no google is your friend and you nasty to me
[16:43] <inetpro> meanwhile, lions 34 - 15 cheatahs
[16:44] <Kilos> ty for that info
[16:44] <Kilos> i got caught today
[16:44] <Kilos> normall switch to sports early and stay they till rugger finish
[16:45] <inetpro> haha
[16:45]  * inetpro clearly bored today
[16:45] <Kilos> yes
[16:46] <Kilos> i havent had you fix anything for a long time so you getting lazy
[16:47]  * inetpro wbb
[17:22] <inetpro> and so the Lions win that games as predicted.... Lions 39 - 22 Cheatahs 
[17:22] <inetpro> next up, will the Stormers please stand up and clobber the Brumbies
[17:23] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[17:23] <MaNI> thanks
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: are you sleeping already?
[17:32] <inetpro> MaNI: how's your solarsystem going?
[17:33] <MaNI> hehe, still going strong, but still not on the roof
[17:33] <MaNI> lol
[17:34] <MaNI> bit of a running joke now, wife getting quite angry about it taking up the garden, I should really get it sorted
[17:35] <inetpro> ai!
[17:35] <inetpro> remember EarthHour2016 will take place 20:30 until 21:30 on Saturday. Don't forget to switch off your 💡 for an hour & help protect the 🌍
[17:37] <Kilos> im watching that yay
[17:37] <Kilos> just eaten
[17:39] <inetpro> Kilos: is it on SABC?
[17:39] <Kilos> mnet
[17:40] <inetpro> sjoe
[17:41] <inetpro> Kilos: since when you upgraded your life like that?
[17:42] <Kilos> we have always had mnet
[17:42] <inetpro> ah
[17:42] <Kilos> since it first came out
[17:42] <Kilos> but even that is pricey for 2 more channels
[17:43] <inetpro> I remember my father in law having that, how much do you pay for these days?
[17:43] <Kilos> sis likes all the hospital shows so she pays
[17:43] <Kilos> i think 400 a month
[17:43] <inetpro> crazy stuff
[17:45] <inetpro> can't you get the dish and pay less?
[17:45] <Kilos> dstv is over 900
[17:45] <Kilos> i have a dish but decoder packed up
[17:45] <Kilos> when i came here i had dstv
[17:47] <inetpro> DStv Access is R99pm
[17:49] <Kilos> na
[17:49] <Kilos> what is access
[17:49] <Kilos> must have mnet
[17:50] <Kilos> mnet show movies before any of the za channels
[17:50] <tumbleweed> if anyone would like to get involved in debconf16, we could use someone local, to help out with registration of attendees
[17:51] <Kilos> its in CT right tumbleweed 
[17:51] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yes
[17:51] <Kilos> you wanna pop in on our monthly meeting tuesdy night
[17:51] <tumbleweed> I can try
[17:51] <tumbleweed> what time?
[17:51] <Kilos> chesedo can you add to agenda please
[17:52] <Kilos> 8.30 za time
[17:52] <Kilos> like in 40 mins time
[17:52] <Kilos> there are many peeps in CT
[17:52] <Kilos> we can try rope some in for you
[17:52] <tumbleweed> Kilos: got it in my calendar, thanks
[17:53] <Kilos> will be great to have you there tumbleweed 
[17:53] <Kilos> been a long time
[17:53] <tumbleweed> yeah, we have one local involved in this, but she's really better used elsewhere (and I think she'll burn out if she does this)
[17:53] <tumbleweed> this is a great way for someone new to get involved :)
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: would be nice to fly there and take part, not?
[17:53] <Kilos> yeah
[17:54] <Kilos> what about maia
[17:54] <tumbleweed> registration is open, btw. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00008.html
[17:55] <Kilos> Maaz debconf is <reply> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00008.html
[17:55] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[17:55] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I've registered on the site but going all the way to CT? ...
[17:55] <inetpro> need to think long and hard about that one
[17:55] <tumbleweed> inetpro: :)
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <inetpro> can just imagine it being a highlight of the year
[17:57] <Kilos> tumbleweed have you spoken to maia
[17:57] <tumbleweed> Kilos: no, I haven't. That's a good idea
[17:58] <Kilos> she has been very busy and scarce here but i think she will make time
[17:58] <Kilos> she always answers my mails
[17:58] <tumbleweed> this is a problem. The good people get busy
[17:59] <Kilos> oh and highvoltage is there too i think
[17:59] <Kilos> may be even drubin
[17:59] <Kilos> maia will know
[18:00] <tumbleweed> highvoltage is involved
[18:00] <Kilos> cool
[18:00] <Kilos> and fly of course
[18:00] <tumbleweed> he is, too
[18:01] <Kilos> there are lots of young guys down there
[18:01] <Kilos> inetpro please remember we try find some help
[18:02] <Kilos> and fly can push the lugs
[18:02] <Kilos> oh superfly 
[18:02] <Kilos> you keeping up
[18:03] <inetpro> you are the man oom Kilos, talk to them africans as well
[18:03] <superfly> Kilos: no
[18:03] <Kilos> the africans
[18:03] <Kilos> oh in the africa channel
[18:03] <Kilos> ya lemme rock them
[18:05] <Kilos> tumbleweed did you ever go see our work http://ubuntu-africa.info
[18:06] <tumbleweed> I did see it, but not in a while :)
[18:06] <Kilos> i just watched the others work of course
[18:07] <Kilos> refresh a few times and watch background change
[18:07] <Kilos> i love that site
[18:07] <Kilos> im sure you can sense the fly's input
[18:10] <Kilos> oh my inetpro only certain peeps canedit the agenda page
[18:10] <Kilos> wiki lockdown because of spammers
[18:11] <Kilos> chesedo you here?
[18:11] <Kilos> weekend is over
[18:15] <kulelu88> Hey tumbleweed, do you work with JS/AngularJS/Ionic ?
[18:16] <kulelu88> I don't mind helping out at DebConf. Anything to assist the open-source community. And also, I hope to get trolling rights for poettering/systemd :P
[18:19] <Kilos> kulelu88 register
[18:21] <kulelu88> typo here: "preceded by 9 days of DebCamp, from Thursday, 23 June to Friday, 1 June 2016." Should be 1 July 2016
[18:22] <Kilos> tumbleweed checkout typo
[18:26] <tumbleweed> Kilos: mailed her
[18:26] <Kilos> grewat
[18:26] <Kilos> great as well
[18:26] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: heh, was that in the e-mail?
[18:26] <kulelu88> Yeah, 1 June 2016
[18:27] <Kilos> on the link you gave
[18:27] <Kilos> first paragraph
[18:28] <Kilos> inetpro stormers pushing hard hey
[18:28] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: oh well :P
[18:28] <inetpro> Kilos: score?
[18:28] <kulelu88> the sponsorship brochure should just quote the amounts in USD/EUR
[18:29] <Kilos> 9/8 to stormers
[18:29] <kulelu88> Right now, 20,000 USD does not equal R200 000 :D
[18:29] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: also, no, I do very little JS :)
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos, tumbleweed: I've updated the Agenda... up to chesedo to move around and decide where it fits in
[18:29] <tumbleweed> ack
[18:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:29] <Kilos> stormers try
[18:30] <Kilos> 14/8
[18:30] <kulelu88> tumbleweed: There's so much batteries included in JS/Ionic. I swear, it scares me sometimes
[18:31] <Kilos> 16/8
[18:36] <Kilos> 16/11
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh
[18:37] <kulelu88> You watching the game or just following score? Kilos 
[18:37] <Kilos> watching
[18:37] <Kilos> score is for the pro
[18:38] <Kilos> and other geeks that dont do sport
[18:45] <Kilos> red card to one brumby for elbow and punches to stromer face
[18:45] <Kilos> 19.11
[18:46] <Kilos> wb bushtech 
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro 31/11
[19:05] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:05] <Kilos> go stormy peeps
[19:05] <Kilos> game over
[19:06] <inetpro> mooi!
[19:06] <inetpro> dankie oom Kilos
[19:08] <Kilos> jy baie welkom oompie
[19:09] <kulelu88> so the big game this season will be stormers sharks
[19:10] <Kilos> sharks beet them once
[19:10] <Kilos> beat
[19:10] <Kilos> only team to beat the stormers so far
[19:13] <Kilos> im so stupid you know
[19:13] <inetpro> so the last game for the weekend starts at 23:40?
[19:13] <Kilos> forgot one has to login to edit wiki pages
[19:13] <Kilos> eish
[19:14] <Kilos> ill be in dreamland because someone didnt let me nap this avy
[19:14]  * Kilos wonders who that was
[19:14] <Kilos> and
[19:14] <inetpro> Jaguares against the Chiefs
[19:14] <Kilos> usings bugs as the distraction medium is so devious
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries I'll fix the bugs
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> those arent our teams so we allowed to miss that one
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: no man, will be very interesting to see how this pans out
[19:16] <Kilos> its still a long time to go inetpro 
[19:17] <inetpro> :-)
[19:17] <Kilos> months isnt it
[19:17] <inetpro> you're excused oom
[19:17] <inetpro> tomorrow in Sunday after all
[19:17] <magespawn> and a long weekend
[19:17] <inetpro> is*
[19:17] <Kilos> you gotta go to church early and pray for me man
[19:18] <Kilos> how can i ever win without help from above
[19:21] <kulelu88> I still don't quite understand how it works. It is 15 rugby teams, 5 each from SA, NZ, OZ
[19:22] <Kilos> and the japs
[19:22] <kulelu88> which japanese team?
[19:22] <Kilos> and jaguars are argentina i think
[19:22] <magespawn> yes they are
[19:22] <Kilos> they played the rebels today
[19:23] <Kilos> whe i forget their name
[19:24] <Kilos> sunwolves
[19:25] <Kilos> kulelu88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Super_Rugby_season
[19:26] <Kilos> when one spends a lot of time in front of a pc it is healthy to build up a sweat watching your favourite rugby team
[19:27] <Kilos> like the bulls /sharks game was a nail biter
[19:27] <Kilos> kulelu88 arent you in jozi
[19:28] <kulelu88> what happened to the Bulls though. they were so good a few years ago and now they're like, useless
[19:28] <Kilos> many new youngsters
[19:28] <squish102> im not a networking person. if i have a rand 192.168.1.128 - 192.168.1.159 or there about.. how do I do it in the / notation
[19:28] <Kilos> sharks as well
[19:29] <magespawn> squish102: cdr notation is for the entire subnet
[19:29] <kulelu88> most likely using ":"
[19:29] <magespawn> 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 is 192.168.1.1/24
[19:31] <magespawn> http://ctdbase.org/detail.go?type=taxon&acc=227855 the entire breakdown of your beetle inetpro 
[19:31] <Kilos> wow
[19:31] <squish102> so can i not subnet that range?
[19:31] <squish102> if that makes sense?
[19:32] <squish102> 192.168.1.128/16 < looks something like that?
[19:32]  * squish102 hates networks
[19:32] <magespawn> i forget hold on a sec
[19:33] <pavlushka> night guys, see ya
[19:35] <squish102> found a website to help. 192.168.1.128/27 would do it
[19:36] <squish102> trying to add acl's to pfsense router for squidgard
[19:36] <magespawn> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/430093833139667780/visual-search/?x=0&y=0&w=502&h=370
[19:36] <magespawn> a visual subnetting chart
[19:37] <squish102> that is easier
[19:42] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks! Have posted a follow up of the bugs on G+
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> magespawn is the live bugsquad go to guy
[19:46] <inetpro> definitely
[19:47] <magespawn> cool beans inetpro 
[19:48] <Kilos> nice job magespawn bit of a change from sorting sites and wireless probs hey
[19:49] <magespawn> nice change of pace
[19:49] <inetpro> change of pace?
[19:50] <Kilos> so you dont need a rest, a change is as good as a holiday
[19:52]  * inetpro just got reminded to install ipcalc on 16.04
[19:53] <inetpro> one of those tools you always need available in your toolbox
[19:53] <inetpro> $ sudo apt-get install ipcalc
[19:54] <inetpro> and then it's as easy as:
[19:54] <inetpro> ipcalc -n 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
[19:55] <magespawn> if you want to set multiple dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces how do you seperate them with a comma or on a seperate line numbered dns-server1 dns-server2 etc
[19:56] <magespawn> sorry dns-nameservers1 and so on
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn: why do it there?
[19:57] <inetpro> on ubuntu server I simply edit /etc/resolv.conf
[19:57] <magespawn> where else? this is on a server
[19:57] <magespawn> okay
[19:57] <magespawn> and the difference is ?
[19:58] <squish102> doesnt resolv.conf get overwritten?
[19:59] <inetpro> squish102: if you're on a desktop and use NetworkManager yes
[19:59] <magespawn> there is a warning not to edit this file by hand it get overwritten
[20:01] <inetpro> well maybe you're right as suggested by the following page:
[20:01] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/351168/diffrence-between-the-dns-setting-in-etc-resolv-conf-and-etc-network-interfaces
[20:01] <Kilos> i remember seeing that
[20:01] <inetpro> but I will have to check on my next server installation
[20:01] <Kilos> squirm showed me how
[20:02] <Kilos> you run some script somewhere
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn: and there's the answer to your question as well
[20:03] <Kilos> inetpro may i sleep now
[20:03] <Kilos> please
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[20:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:03] <Kilos> why not?
[20:03] <magespawn> inetpro: so i see thanks
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: 03/19 21:17 <inetpro> you're excused oom
[20:04]  * Kilos bows in gratitude
[20:04]  * inetpro thought he was talking in his sleep
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <inetpro> good night oom :-)
[20:04] <inetpro> lekker slaap
[20:04] <Kilos> dankie, jy ook
[20:05] <inetpro> magespawn: unless things have changed in the latest versions I prefer to not have the resolvconf service running on a server
[20:06] <magespawn> okay, why? 
[20:06] <inetpro> don't see why it should be necessary
[20:07] <magespawn> well i have set my server with a static ip address, so i can get to it
[20:08] <magespawn> so i suppose i do not need it to run
[20:09] <kulelu88> all servers run with a static IP, unless it is a localized server running on your ISPs network, then it will be dynamic by default
[20:10] <magespawn> this is at home
[20:11] <inetpro> magespawn: in that case just read man resolv.conf
[20:11] <magespawn> will do
[20:13] <inetpro> also read http://askubuntu.com/questions/131881/why-did-i-have-to-remove-resolvconf-to-get-dnsmasq-to-work-again
[20:14] <inetpro> resolvconf can really be a pain
[20:14] <inetpro> but things keep changing, so it's best to read the latest and stay informed
[20:20] <magespawn> i'll try to stay on top of it
[20:24] <magespawn> bedtime for me, good night all