[00:00] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Next is to see if that 361 (preferred ) version came for our trusted PPA . show in a pastebin site ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' .
[00:02] <radxxx> http://pastebin.com/LBicqZw4
[00:05] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Yepper ! " # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu wily main " . put this PPA back inservice . You on a GUI system ? Then in 'software soueces' re-enable the PPA . and we continue .
[00:06] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: tail -v, nice command!+1
[00:07] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah ... I must say, one of my favorites . cuts quick to the bone .
[00:07] <EriC^^> yeah very handy
[00:08] <radxxx> yep in gui..one sec
[00:08] <radxxx> done
[00:10] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Run: ' sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia* ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-361 ' .
[00:11] <sharkman> i just installed ubunutu.  and i did sudo apt-get update, and it says "failed to fetch" for various URLs, what should i do?
[00:12] <radxxx> done
[00:12] <TragicM3LON> sharkman check ping
[00:12] <TragicM3LON> see if it's getting out
[00:12] <Guest63466> hi. have a very large file apparently. it's zipped .csv. the zipinfo -l is not giving accurate file sizes as each time i unzip it fills the disk... on a virtaul box. any way to calculate the disksize i need?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Reboot and let's see if effect .
[00:12] <radxxx> do I need to select the 361 driver first before reboot?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> sharkman: What release did you install ?
[00:13] <sharkman> thanks tragicm3L0n
[00:13] <sharkman> when i installed it, it prompted me for my internet password so i assumed it would be connected now
[00:15] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Nope not unless this is a hybrid graphics system .
[00:15] <sharkman> from a security standpoint, how important is it for me to do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? i just installed the standard ubuntu 14.04 from their website
[00:15] <radxxx> ok. reboot now. bbs
[00:16] <Bashing-om> sharkman: We;; .. security fixes are somtimes within minutes of discovery ... I update each and every time I boot up .. YMMV .
[00:18] <sharkman> how can security updates be within minutes? dont you need time to make sure the fix itself is safe and reviewed by others?
[00:18] <Bashing-om> sharkman: Great security team for ubuntu !
[00:18] <sharkman> bashing-om, how many people review changes before they get put online? is there a policy on that?
[00:19] <Bashing-om> sharkman: Ouch  .. now we are in an area I can not say .
[00:21] <kdm12> sharkman, You should update. Don't be afraid of updating, unlike the case in some other operating systems.
[00:21] <sharkman> i was thinking of putting some bitcoins on a computer.  and then what happens if i leave it offline for a few months
[00:24] <Village> Hello Guys, i want install phpsysinfo on my DS Ubuntu 14.04, maybe someone can help me?
[00:24] <kdm12> sharkman: Have you read the bitcoin guides for creating an offline wallet? You might want to.
[00:24] <sharkman> yes kdm12, i have, offline wallets are too complicated for me so im just doing the best i can
[00:25] <sharkman> kdm12, it sounds like the takeaway from this is that whenever i put this computer online, i should update and upgrade as a first step
[00:25] <sharkman> before opening my wallet
[00:25] <sharkman> yeah?
[00:25] <kdm12> sharkman: I can't comment on that. But in general I recommend keeping Ubuntu home systems updated.
[00:26] <Bashing-om> Village: There is an issue with ' sudo apt install phpsysinfo ' ??
[00:26] <Village> Bashing-om, sudo apt-get* install phpsysinfo?
[00:27] <Village> I don't try ectually, and you know Bashing-om, how it configure?
[00:27] <kdm12> Is anyone here running a dual boot with full disk encryption? I'd like to know how reliable it is/if it works before I spend time trying to set it up?
[00:27] <Bashing-om> Village:  Either will do; 'apt' is the new 'apt-get' ; has some added features and such .
[00:28] <Bashing-om> Village: Nope, no experience with that configuration .
[00:28] <Village> Bashing-om, but i i type apt-get it's install new, same?
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Village: Yepp .. will still work .
[00:29] <Village> So i need help with configuration
[00:29] <Village> Bashing-om, ok, thanks
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Village: After the install, I expect there will be a doc file also installed .
[00:30] <Pici> Village: I'd take a look at /etc/phpsysinfo/config.php
[00:31] <GoClick> Would there be anything terribly detremental to uninstalling any package which isn’t on the dependnacy tree for the only program I want to run on a server?
[00:31] <Village> Bashing-om, can be not easy understand how need configure from doc
[00:33] <Village> Pici, you have that file or want that i show you?
[00:33] <Pici> Village: Thats for you to look at. I don't know how to use it myself.
[00:34] <Village> Hm, can be understand not easy, i'm not prof
[00:34] <fixader> I don't mean to interrupt anything (maybe I am in the wrong place). I am an Ubuntu newbie trying to install WINE on the Ubuntu Studio distro. Could anyone help me? You can DM me if you don't want to clutter the main page.
[00:36] <Bashing-om> fixader: You are at the coorect place ( and time ) To install ' sudo apt install wine ' .
[00:37] <fixader> @bashing-om: I am sooo new lol. I just installed Ubuntu Studio today. So I am not sure where to go to download/install WINE. I tried the Software Centre but it kept failing.
[00:38] <munzali> try  ' sudo apt-get install wine'  on the command line
[00:38] <fixader> Ok
[00:39] <fixader> So what's happening is, when I try that on the command line, it asks for my password, but whenever I try to type my password, nothing happens. Like none of the password inputs.
[00:39] <Bashing-om> fixader: Hey, We were all new at one time . Not to know is not a sin .. Ys know how activate a terminal ( at the desktop key combo ctl+alt+t ) ? and we make sure the system is stable .
[00:40] <fixader> Thanks Bashing. How do I make sure the system is stable?
[00:40] <Bashing-om> fixader: That is a security measure . theer will be no response to the screen when the pass word is entered . Enter pass word blindly and hit the enter key :)
[00:40] <munzali> lol yeah, Linux usually doesn't display passwords. just type it and hit enter
[00:41] <fixader> Oh okay thanks! :)
[00:41] <fixader> Okay so it accepted that, but then it said "E: Unable to locate package win"
[00:42] <adrian_1908> "wine"
[00:42] <fixader> So I type wine?
[00:42] <Bashing-om> fixader: Ready at a terminal and we run a couple of commands to see the package management status .
[00:42] <adrian_1908> If your error reads "win", I assume you typed win instead of wine?
[00:43] <fixader> Oh yes! My bad, thanks adrian
[00:43] <Bashing-om> fixader: " Filename: pool/universe/w/wine1.6/wine_1.6.2-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb " from my 14.04 repository .
[00:44] <fixader> It's tell me I have unmet dependencies, which is wine1.6
[00:44] <fixader> Oh, okay, so I use that code where @bashing?
[00:46] <adrian_1908> fixader: by the way, if you're new to Ubuntu and need a decent image editing software, I recommend Krita (krita.org). Gimp makes for a rather underwhelming experience in my book.
[00:47] <fixader> Ok, thanks adrian! :)
[00:47] <Bashing-om> fixader: Nope .. that last was to show you that wine1.6 is available . You should have no problem . Next up is to find out what the package manager is unhappy about . For that ypu will learn/use a pastebin site . patience grasshopper .
[00:47] <Bashing-om> !pastbinit | fixader
[00:47] <Bashing-om> !pastebinit | fixader
[00:48] <fixader> Wow, so much to learn! :)
[00:48] <fixader> I guess this is the price I have to pay when I swear off Windows lol
[00:49] <adrian_1908> Yes, it's a lot in the first few days, but as with moving to a new apartment, it quickly becomes more familiar.
[00:50] <fixader> That makes sense.
[00:50] <fixader> So, it says I have a broken package. Should I try re-downloading WINE?
[00:51] <Bashing-om> fixader: You are getting the crash course . Progress will be rapid .
[00:51] <fixader> Ok
[00:51] <fixader> Thanks!
[00:52] <adrian_1908> Maybe Bashing-om can help you there better, but if he keeps silent I'll chime in :P
[00:52] <Bashing-om> foxxtrot: Nope the purpose of pastebin is so we can see what you see for the erorrs . Now in terminal do ' sudo apt install pastebinit ' . and next we run the commnads so we "see" .
[00:52] <fixader> Ok, thanks!
[00:53] <fixader> Okay, just did it.
[00:54] <Bashing-om> fixader: K; now we do ' sudo apt update | pastebinit ' . The result is a URL back in your terminal, pass that link back here and we have a look .
[00:55] <fixader> OK, one sec
[00:55] <fixader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15420747/
[00:55] <fixader> There ya go sir!
[00:56] <Bashing-om> fixader: Look'n .
[00:57] <Delta706> I am thinking about using hdparm to flush writes. How do I determine if my drive supports this?
[00:58] <Bashing-om> fixader: Wow sure short . .. next is the biggy ' sudo apt -y upgrade | pastebinit ' .
[00:59] <fixader> Okay I will put that in
[01:00] <fixader> bashing-om: Here ya go http://paste.ubuntu.com/15420811/
[01:00] <Bashing-om> fixader: Look'n .
[01:02] <JuliusCaesarBR> What is the best java IDE?
[01:04] <kdm12> JuliusCaesarBR: Best is kind of relative - however I like jetbrains intelliJ. it's easyt o use, has nice features and unlike eclipse, it is stable
[01:04] <kdm12> JuliusCaesarBR: You may be in the wrong channel! :-)
[01:05] <JuliusCaesarBR> I installed Eclipse IDE on the ubuntu, horribe.
[01:05] <JuliusCaesarBR> horrible*.
[01:05] <Bashing-om> fixader: Well, that says thus far the package manager is in a happy state .. so now, what is the state of wine ? show us ' apt-cache policy wine ' .
[01:05] <fixader> K on sec @bashing
[01:06] <fixader> This is what I got: wine:
[01:06] <fixader>   Installed: (none)
[01:06] <fixader>   Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4
[01:06] <fixader>   Version table:
[01:06] <fixader>      1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4 0
[01:06] <fixader>         500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64
[01:09] <Bashing-om> !paste | fixader
[01:11] <fixader> Bashing-om: I need to paste you another link?
[01:11] <fixader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15420811/ Not sure if this is the right one http://paste.ubuntu.com/15420811/
[01:13] <Bashing-om> fixader: Yeah, maybe - Trying to come up with a user friendly way . In your GUI "software sources " is the 'universe' repository enabled ?
[01:14] <fixader> Lol, where do I found software sources?
[01:14] <fixader> Found software sources! One sec
[01:16] <fixader> bashing-om: Yes it is enabled
[01:17] <Bashing-om> fixader: Greatest reason we use a lot of terminal commands, is because we all do not run the same GUI -> the terminal is the same across all distros and releases of linux !
[01:17] <fixader> That makes sense
[01:17] <fixader> I just noticed it is set to download from the Canadian server (I'm Canadian) should I switch it to main?
[01:18] <xaomy> helo
[01:18] <Bashing-om> fixader: K, then wine should install .. show in a pastebin ' sudo apt install wine ' . let's see what the package manager complains about .
[01:19] <Bashing-om> fixader: Nope .. Canaduan will be better for you .
[01:19] <fixader> Bashing-om: Okay. It didn't give me a pastebin link this time, how do I get one again?
[01:20] <xaomy> where can i learn c++ on irc please?
[01:20] <Bashing-om> fixader: Copy and paste is this contexxt is best .
[01:21] <imrekt> s/contexxt/context
[01:21] <imrekt> :D
[01:21] <fixader> This is the what I got: wine : Depends: wine1.6 but it is not going to be installed
[01:21] <fixader> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[01:21] <Delta706> xaomy: have you considered http://www.learncpp.com/
[01:22] <k1l_> xaomy: try in #coding or ask alis: "/msg alis list"
[01:22] <xaomy> Delta706, thank you <3
[01:23] <adrian_1908> xaomy: I concur with Delta; learncpp.com is a great resource, highly recommended.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> fixader: Need to see that full output ... copy and paste it to http://paste.ubuntu.com .
[01:23] <xaomy> thank adrian_1908
[01:23] <kdm12> xaomy: The largest channel for c++ on freenode is ##c++
[01:24] <adrian_1908> kdm12: but all C++ channel are cocky towards beginners, not a good idea.
[01:24] <xaomy> ok perfect thank you all.... do you have a facebook group or page?
[01:24] <fixader> Bashing-om: here ya go http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421013/
[01:24] <Bashing-om> fixader: :)
[01:26] <kdm12> adrian_1908: I always used to say the best thing about C++ is that before you talk about C++ you have to have an argument about which parts of it are safe and/or modern.
[01:26] <adrian_1908> hehe
[01:27] <Bashing-om> fixader: Try : ' sudp apt install wine1.6 ' . See what happens ./. maybe have to purge wine to install wine1.6 .
[01:28] <Bashing-om> fixader: sudo **
[01:29] <fixader> @Bashing-om: Same thing, so should I try purging it? How do I do that?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> fixader: Yeah, let's do ' sudo apt-get remove wine ' then do " sudo apt install wine1.6 . If ya do informational command ' apt-cache show wine1.6 ' we get a hint of what is taking place with wine .
[01:33] <Delta706> The last time I had bad package problems, it was due to using PPAs. I have since removed all PPA software
[01:34] <fixader> Bashing-om: It says it's not installed, so it won't remove it
[01:34] <adrian_1908> Bashing-om: Isn't `sudo apt-get purge name` more thorough?
[01:35] <Delta706> we need the error message from sudo apt-get install wine1.6
[01:35] <fixader> Ok I will try that
[01:36] <fixader> Okay this is the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421126/
[01:37] <Bashing-om> adrian_1908: Yes: in that purge also removes config files .. but as we will re-install I was not all that concerned with config files .
[01:38] <k1l_> is this from a ppa?
[01:39] <minasota> I don't completely understand how packages work in Ubuntu. I'm using 14.04 and apt-cache show weechat is 0.4.2-3. The latest stable is 1.4-1. Is it safe to use the old version from the repo?
[01:41] <Bashing-om> k1l_: Great thought, In my defense I did not think a new user ( 3 days ) would be aware of a PPA ???
[01:41] <k1l_> minasota: ubuntu doesnt update the version of a package to a new release version. if there are security or heavy bug fixes, then the are applied to the "old" version (patched) and that is shipped in the repos
[01:41] <meskes> k1l_ It's called a backport
[01:42] <k1l_> minasota: what version do you want to use now?
[01:42] <fixader> Bashing-OM: What is a PPA?
[01:42] <Bashing-om> fixader: Look'n still .. what returns ' dpkg --list | grep wine ' ?
[01:42] <Bashing-om> !ppa | fix
[01:42] <k1l_> fixader: can you show a "apt-cache policy wine1.6 wine1.6-amd64" in a pastebin?
[01:43] <fixader> Bashing-om: That command shows up with nothing but a new blank command line after :/
[01:43] <fixader> one sec I will get that for you kil
[01:43] <minasota> k1l_: I'm ok with 0.4.2-3. I was just curious why the version offered is dated. But I understand now. Thank you
[01:44] <Satanux> Hi everyone!
[01:44] <k1l_> minasota: its the state of april 2014. that is when 14.04 was released.
[01:45] <kdm12> Am I dreaming or is apt significantly faster than apt-get?
[01:45] <k1l_> !info weechat xenial
[01:45] <k1l_> minasota: this version will be in the 16.04 that is in development right now ^
[01:45] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421197/ here ya go
[01:46] <k1l_> kdm12: at least it got a progressbar \o/
[01:46] <th34lch3m1st> hi, what is it this x-nautilus-desktop bookmark icon (folder with ethernet symbol on it) appeared today in my nautilus?
[01:46] <k1l_> fixader: ok, no PPA. so please do a "sudo apt install wine1.6-amd64" and lets see why it doesnt want to install that
[01:48] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421223/ here ya go
[01:49] <k1l_> fixader: ok, we need to find the end of that line of issues: "sudo apt-get install libosmesa6"
[01:49] <k1l_> fixader: and this: "sudo apt-get install wine1.6:any"
[01:49] <minasota> Thanks k1l_
[01:51] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421244/ still getting that "have held broken packages"
[01:52] <k1l_> fixader: hmm, that is a circle :)   please try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[01:53] <ian__> just set up ubuntu mate on my new pi 3, anyone know how to get wine running so i can play elderscrolls morrowind
[01:54] <fixader>  Lol same thing happened
[01:54] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421291/
[01:56] <th34lch3m1st> what's this x-nautilus-desktop in my nautilus bookmarks?
[01:56] <k1l_> fixader: you ran a "sudo apt update" recently?
[01:56] <k1l_> fixader: what is "uname -a"?
[01:56] <fixader> Just tried it actuallt
[01:57] <fixader> You want me to type uname -a in the command line?
[01:57] <k1l_> yes
[01:57] <_cb> cd /#appengine
[01:57] <Bashing-om> k1l_: fixader Not making a lot of sense yet / What about ' sudo dpkg -C ' . where we are asking for an audit .
[01:57] <k1l_> _cb: use "/join #channel"
[01:58] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421321/ this is the uname -a
[01:58] <k1l_> fixader: sudo apt-get install wine --fix-missing
[01:59] <fixader> kil_ same thing, broken packages
[01:59] <k1l_> fixader: can you show?
[02:00] <k1l_> if this is not working i suspect an issue with the hwe.
[02:00] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421342/
[02:01] <fixader> Sorry I dissapeared
[02:01] <fixader> What is the hwe?
[02:03] <k1l_> fixader: what is "dpkg --print-architecture"  and "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
[02:03] <fixader> amd64 is all that came up for the first one
[02:03] <k1l_> ok
[02:04] <k1l_> and the second one any outpu?
[02:05] <fixader> I keep typing it wrong and it gives me errors lol. I can't spell
[02:05] <fixader> i386
[02:06] <k1l_> ok. that is ok
[02:09] <m000gle> Is there any way to lock the screen in Ubuntu 15.10, without the Unity Greeter causing the screensaver to activate and the displays to sleep?
[02:10] <Bashing-om> k1l_: How bout ' sudo apt install wine1.6-i386 ' see what results ??
[02:10] <m000gle> Even with power settings set to never sleep or turn off display, and with caffeine running/activated which should also inhibit this, the Unity Greeter seems to simply ignore the setting.
[02:10] <k1l_> Bashing-om: why not
[02:11] <Bashing-om> fixader: ^^ .. This has got us wondering what is going on; try the above .
[02:11] <fixader> Will do!
[02:12] <Bashing-om> fixader: It is regretfull that you as a new user has to encounter such a situation .
[02:12] <fixader> Oh dear, held broken packages again. What does that mean by the way? Haha
[02:13] <fixader> Thanks Bashing-m :) You guys have all been so helpful, don't worry, I know this could happen to anyone I am sure. I won't swear off the platform this easily ;)
[02:14] <Bashing-om> fixader: Beats me what is going on .. on the wine1.6-i386 attempt .. amy new info ?
[02:14] <fixader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421436/ just this
[02:15] <fixader> I am guessing there isn't such thing as a setup wizard through the GUI eh?
[02:15] <k1l_> aha, at least more issues
[02:16] <Bashing-om> k1l_: fixader Ouch ^^.. is this not supposed to happen with multi-arch ??
[02:18] <fixader> Do you think I might have an unstable distro release?
[02:18] <fixader> I am using Ubuntu Studio (as opposed to the regular Ubuntu)
[02:19] <k1l_> fixader: "sudo apt install libglu1-mesa"
[02:19] <fixader> Is there an alternative to WINE I could try?
[02:20] <Bashing-om> fixader: Highly not likely to be unstable release .
[02:20] <fixader> It says I already have the latest version of libglu1-mesa
[02:20] <fixader> So much I don't understand yet haha
[02:20] <k1l_> fixader: sudo apt install xserver-xorg-core
[02:22] <fixader> Um, okay I just did that one kil_ not sure what I just did actually haha
[02:22] <k1l_> fixader: then show the output
[02:23] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421482/
[02:24] <luistvd> Hi everyone
[02:24] <k1l_> fixader: sudo apt-get install wine1.6
[02:25] <bravescharm> hello
[02:25] <fixader> kil_: lol, guess what happened
[02:25] <fixader> Same thing again. Broken packages etc
[02:26] <k1l_> 100% the same messages?
[02:26] <k1l_> fixader: details matter a lot here.
[02:27] <fixader> I will give you a paste
[02:27] <bravescharm> I have a Taipan mouse.  when using Ubuntu I can't use the side buttons....is there a way around this?
[02:27] <k1l_> its 3:27 am here already. i am about to leave soon.
[02:27] <bravescharm> or a way to fix it rather
[02:29] <fixader> kil_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421509/
[02:29] <fixader> Okay, no worries. Thanks for all your help kil_!
[02:30] <kdm12> bravescharm: Do you have razercfg?
[02:30] <k1l_> fixader: ok, lets undo the last change:
[02:31] <k1l_> fixader: "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily ubuntustudio-desktop xorg"
[02:31] <kdm12> bravescharm: If not, here it is. it's the razer config tool for linux. http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/razercfg.html
[02:32] <fixader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421544/
[02:32] <fixader> No dice so far :(
[02:32] <k1l_> i suspect the lts wily xorg stuff to be an issue here. but i cant find out what exacty. i suggest you file a bug with "ubuntu-bug wine"   and let the wine maintainer clear up that mess they made with that packages.
[02:32] <fixader> Ok
[02:32] <fixader> Thanks!
[02:33] <k1l_> wait
[02:33] <bravescharm> no, don't have razercfg
[02:33] <bravescharm> thanks, i'll check it out
[02:33] <k1l_> fixader: please show the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:34] <fixader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421563/
[02:36] <k1l_> fixader: ok. go to systemsettings -> software and updates. then check the trusty-updates repo
[02:37] <fixader> If I am in the right place, they are all deselected
[02:38] <fixader> Okay, I just selected it on now
[02:38] <k1l_> at least -security and -updates need to be selected
[02:39] <fixader> Ok, should I try the install again?
[02:40] <k1l_> wait. first "sudo apt update"
[02:40] <k1l_> then "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily ubuntustudio-desktop xorg"
[02:40] <Bashing-om> fixader: Update 1st .
[02:40] <k1l_> to undo the latest changes.
[02:40] <k1l_> then we try wine again after all that is done
[02:40] <fixader> ok I did both of those
[02:41] <fixader> My software updater is running too.
[02:41] <k1l_> fixader: :X
[02:41] <fixader> Not sure exactly what it is updating?
[02:41] <k1l_> dont run both
[02:41] <fixader> Oh sorry... um
[02:41] <k1l_> fixader: _very_ important. you can only run one instance of tha package system.
[02:42] <fixader> Okay, so... I should exit the software updater?
[02:42] <k1l_> and you need to report exactly if the last task has gone with success or any output.
[02:42] <k1l_> i am guiding a brain surgery through irc here, and i only see what you tell me.
[02:42] <fixader> Haha got ya
[02:44] <fixader> okay I am lost now. Should I do sudo update?
[02:44] <k1l_> what is running right now?
[02:45] <fixader> you mean command lines? Nothing
[02:45] <k1l_> any updater?
[02:46] <k1l_> if not. then "sudo apt update"
[02:46] <fixader> No, I shut it down
[02:46] <auvajs> hi, I need to log in as "mysql" user, I do su mysql - as a root but nothing happens, I'm staying root.. what's wrong?
[02:47] <fixader> kil_: Wow, I got like 14,000 lines in the terminal after doing that. Now it wants a new line. Should I try get wine now?
[02:47] <k1l_> fixader: i dont know what you saw
[02:47] <k1l_> and i dont know what its asking you
[02:47] <fixader> I will copy it, but it's literally 100s of lines
[02:48] <fixader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15421645/
[02:49] <k1l_> ok. now "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily ubuntustudio-desktop xorg"
[02:49] <fixader> In process
[02:50] <fixader> I feel like a dummy for having updates off...
[02:50] <fixader> I should have told you guys that I had it off sooner.
[02:52] <fixader> I am holding you up kil_? I know you said it's late. I don't want to keep you awake.
[02:53] <fixader> kil_: Okay that's done. You want a paste, or do you know what I should do next?
[02:53] <k1l_> ok, now  "sudo apt install wine"
[02:55] <fixader> kil_: in process
[02:55] <k1l_> so it installs stuff?
[02:56] <fixader> So far it looks like it :)\
[02:56] <k1l_> ok. so the missing security and updates packages were the issue. since the repos were pointing at them but your system couldnt  find them and solve that depencies.
[02:57] <fixader> Right, makes sense
[02:57] <fixader> So in theory, I should be good? The real test is when it finishes haha
[02:57] <k1l_> ok, leaving now. bb :)
[02:57] <fixader> Thanks so much though man! You have been a life saver
[03:11] <fixader> Looks like Wine installed! Now I just have to figure out to use it haha
[03:14] <Bashing-om> !yah | fixader
[03:40] <pablo> afip
[03:41] <bobby_> hi, how can I install a .jar file that has been blocked because it 'sin't trusted from the source site' ?
[03:47] <radxxx> Bashing-om..still here?
[03:47] <Bashing-om> radxxx: k,
[03:47] <radxxx> *sigh* wasn't ubuntu. my gtx970 died
[03:48] <radxxx> put an old card in, working ok now
[03:48] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Happens . .. my card also on it's last leg ... the fan is scremming .
[03:49] <radxxx> was only 7 month out. paid 500 for that bloody thing. warranty fortunately
[03:49] <Bashing-om> radxxx: 970 is a recent card . warrenty ?
[03:49] <radxxx> yes thankgod
[03:50] <radxxx> sorry to have waisted your time. Just happened straight after that system update
[03:50] <Bashing-om> radxxx: THAT is a bunch of money, reason for high concern when it does not function .
[03:51] <dg4a> exit
[03:51] <radxxx> thats why I never expected it to be dead. Vid cards should last a lot longer than that
[03:52] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Not a real waste of time ... all in the process to know the fault ... Me presently with hard drive issue - my back up drive -, hope my drive is not dead .
[03:53] <bobby_> hi, how can I install a .jar file that has been blocked because it 'sin't trusted from the source site' ?
[03:53] <radxxx> arg hate it when that happens. Thats why I got a 4bay nas. One drive fails, just pull it out an put new one in, problem solved.
[03:54] <Bashing-om> radxxx: A thought, power supply able to handle it ? Best I recall the 970 has a pretty high draw .
[03:54] <radxxx> yeah it worked fine for the time I had it. Checked the PS with a powersupply tester, all ok
[03:56] <radxxx> GTA V max setting ,running great. Might get some withdrawls waiting for the new card :P
[03:58] <Bashing-om> radxxx: :p - :p
[03:58] <radxxx> anyways..Im off.. thnx again :)
[03:59] <haasn> (You can spend any amount of money you want on GPUs, they will still be terrible)
[04:02] <RJ45> I am having problems getting the 950M in my laptop to work properly for games, I was trying everything I could for hours on end to fix a blank screen issue, I'm now having success with Xubuntu 16.04.beta with Nvidia-361 drivers (I can actually get to the desktop now), but now I have a whole other problem, Steam throws-up "OpenGL GLX Extention not supported on this display", what can I do?
[04:08] <Emperor_Earth_> Jordan_U: Okay. Please mention me when you can get to it!
[04:08] <Emperor_Earth_> I'm still not sure what is wrong with the iso's that I'm building with Windows + ImgBurn. I think it's something to do with the load segments?
[04:15] <[GH0ST]> Hello, how can I dual-boot with Windows in UEFI?
[04:16] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | [GH0ST]
[04:17] <Bashing-om> !UEFI
[04:19] <[GH0ST]> I don't have the option to disable secure boot.
[04:21] <Bashing-om> [GH0ST]: Some machines need to set a firmware password .
[04:21] <[GH0ST]> Huh?
[04:21] <[GH0ST]> Oh.
[04:21] <[GH0ST]> You think that might work?
[04:22] <NoCode> Is there any easy way to get cmus 2.7 in wily?
[04:22] <Bashing-om> [GH0ST]: maybe, I do not recall the ones that have to have the password set to access set up options .
[04:56] <NotYouTu> need some help with an install on laptop
[04:56] <NotYouTu> UEFI and I are not getting along
[04:58] <NotYouTu> I want my laptop setup the way I've always had it, /boot on usb.  I created an efi partition on the usb (we'll call it /dev/sdb1) and one for /boot (/dev/sdb2)... but after install it just says no OS found
[05:09] <nuccun> 'oy
[05:11] <nuccun> So I installed Ubuntu on a flash drive (actual install, not Live system), and now I can't boot my laptop into Windows 10 without it :D
[05:16] <nuccun> place is like a revolving door
[05:25] <TJ-> nuccun: sounds like it/you changed the laptop's UEFI boot manager boot order. At startup press the key that gets you to the firmware's manual boot device chooser, and select Windows
[05:27] <nuccun> So when it boots up without the flash drive, it takes me to a GRUB prompt
[05:27] <nuccun> Just figured out all I have to do is exit GRUB and it takes me to the boot device choice screen
[05:28] <nuccun> so actually no biggie :D
[05:29] <TJ-> sounds like GRUB got made number-1 boot-loader
[05:30] <nuccun> One thing I don't understand, and it's mainly because I don't understand GRUB, but how it exists when the flash drive isn't plugged in
[05:30] <nuccun> I would think it would have been installed on the flash drive
[05:32] <TJ-> if the PC is UEFI based, then the storage device will have an EFI system partition on it and every OS you install (in UEFI mode) will put a boot-loader there. In addition, the OSes can tell the firmware they want their bootloader to start first, which is likely what is happening there.
[05:34] <TJ-> The alternative - if the system is starting in Legacy BIOS mode - is that grub-pc has its bootstrap code in the MBR of sector 0 and its core.img in later sectors. For that to be the case you'd be dumped at a GRUB "rescue>" prompt
[05:35] <nuccun> It's just a GRUB prompt, not rescue
[05:36] <nuccun> I'm not seeing any adverse affects to Windows or Ubuntu with it like this, and for fear of screwing something else up I think I'm just going to leave it since it's working ok
[05:36] <TJ-> That means that core.img loads AND reads in, at a minimum, the 'normal' module
[05:36] <haasn> I'm trying to run Ubuntu 15.10 inside a qemu/KVM virtual machine, but when trying to log in compiz just crashes
[05:37] <TJ-> haasn: I doubt the guest has hardware accelerated 3D graphics, unless you've configured PCI pass-through?
[05:37] <haasn> TJ-: I have not. I'm using the qxl graphics device
[05:38] <TJ-> haasn: that'll probably be it then. qemu/kvm has mainly been used for server guests although there is now some work ongoing to add a 3D openGL pass-through
[05:38] <haasn> TJ-: So unity can't run at all? Not even emulated? What are my alternatives?
[05:39] <TJ-> haasn: I believe VMware and VirtualBox provide an accelerated GPU driver
[05:39] <haasn> VMware and VirtualBox are both out of the question
[05:40] <haasn> I tried logging in to xfce session instead of unity shell, and it works but I get no panel at the top :(
[05:41] <TJ-> switch to a non-compositing desktop is the usual solution
[05:43] <haasn> weird, xfce4-panel wasn't installed for some reason. Fixed now, anyway
[05:44] <haasn> TJ-: I wonder if I can some how set up lightdm to automatically log in using xfce session if it's running inside a VM and unity shell otherwise
[05:45] <TJ-> haasn: lightdm has script hooks you can attach your own script to, which could detect being in a guest and alter (or not) the coonfigured session
[05:46] <haasn> Sounds like it's going in the direction of what I want
[05:46] <haasn> Do you know if ubuntu has packaged guest additions for qemu/kvm?
[05:48] <TJ-> !info qemu-quest-agent | haasn
[05:49] <TJ-> !info qemu-guest-agent | haasn
[05:49] <TJ-> haha! helps to type g not q
[05:52] <pcfreak30> files list file for package `libx11-6' contains empty filename. How can I resolve this? Seems to be an issue in the deb?
[05:52] <haasn> TJ-: Hmm, qemu-guest-agent is installed but it doesn't seem to have affected anything
[05:52] <TJ-> haasn: depends whats in it and what you expect :)
[05:54] <haasn> TJ-: seems like it just installs /usr/sbin/qemu-ga; running that however just produces ‘error opening channel: No such file or directory”. Apparently google doesn't even *find* anything for the keyword “qemu-guest-agent” :p
[05:55] <haasn> TJ-: What I expect is pretty easy to describe, on the other hand: I want the VM guest to auto-resize along with the window, and to share my host's cursor position instead of it being captured + emulated inside the VM
[05:55] <TJ-> haasn: see http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/QAPI/GuestAgent
[05:55] <haasn> This works fine for windows guests after installing the SPICE client additions
[05:58] <haasn> TJ-: ah, thanks. manually running qemu-ga -m virtio-serial -p /dev/virtio-ports/* makes it work pretty much instantly
[05:58] <haasn> Now I just have to patch the init script I guess
[05:59] <haasn> Actually, false alarm. It didn't really work, it just removed focus from the VM so I figured it was working because my cursor behaved normally again
[05:59] <haasn> And the process hangs itself up (need to pkill -9)
[06:00] <haasn> Oh, I noticed the documentation suggests org.qemu.guest_agent.0 but my actual filename is com.redhat.spice.0. It probably froze up because they're speaking completely different protocols :p
[06:01] <haasn> So scratch what I said about qemu guest agents: What I need is whatever it is that interfaces with com.redhat.spice.0
[06:01] <Anthony-L> hey, anyone else experiencing slow download speed form ubuntu website?
[06:03] <TJ-> !info xserver-xorg-video-qxl  | haasn
[06:04] <TJ-> haasn: I think that might be what you need; I seem to remember Qemu uses QXL over SPICE
[06:05] <haasn> TJ-: I am using QXL over SPICE. I already checked that, and xserver-xorg-video-qxl *is* installed (though I didn't install it manually)
[06:05] <TJ-> haasn: I wonder if it needs configuring to be used; I'd have thought it'd show up in the Xorg.0.log
[06:06] <haasn> TJ-: looks like spice-vdagent + rebooting did the trick
[06:06] <haasn> (the rebooting bit was important)
[06:06] <haasn> apparently the spice thing on the other end didn't like what must have been complete nonsense to it that was accidentally being sent by qemu-guest-agent, and just closed the socket
[06:06] <TJ-> haasn: of the guest?
[06:06] <haasn> yes
[06:06] <TJ-> ahh
[06:08] <haasn> automatic resizing still does not work, for some odd reason; I can set the option now (it's not disabled) but it just does nothing :)
[06:08] <haasn> :( *
[06:10] <haasn> How odd: In the settings manager, I can see the available display modes - and there's one at the very top which reflects the size that the display *should* have. As I change the window, I can see its values updating
[06:10] <haasn> But selecting that display mode apparently does nothing
[06:13] <haasn> Oops. dmesg paints a colorful picture: *ERROR* Mode doesn't fit in vram size
[06:13] <haasn> it works for sufficiently small windows
[06:14] <TJ-> ahh, allocate more GPU RAM for the guest
[06:15] <haasn> TJ-: virt-manager won't let me edit the figure, it just says 16 MiB :/
[06:16] <TJ-> I edit the XML directly, either manually or better using virsh
[06:17] <haasn> Yeah, did that and it seems to work
[06:18] <haasn> Now I just need GLX to work. `glxinfo` fails with extension "GLX" missing
[06:18] <Guest98898> When i login to my ubuntu 14.04 system i see motd message as "136 packages can be updated.
[06:18] <Guest98898> 67 updates are security updates.
[06:18] <Guest98898> ". How can i install only Security updates and not packages ?
[06:19] <haasn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQzMg has some interesting stuff, in particular emulating GLX would allow me to run unity in the guest as well
[06:20] <Guest98898> upgrading all packages upgrade some of the library which cause service interruption.
[06:20] <TJ-> Guest98898: "apt-get upgrade --target-release trusty-security" should do it.
[06:21] <Guest98898> TJ- : Thanks for prompt update, let me try
[06:23] <haasn> TJ-: You mentioned PCI passthrough earlier. I have a ‘spare’ GPU in my machine: the one built in to the intel CPU (on-board intel HD graphics). Do you know if I could pass that to the VM and allow it to use it for rendering, while still being able to see the VM's rendered contents as a window in my host OS (via SPICE)?
[06:23] <haasn> (*and* still being able to use my nvidia GPU on the host OS)
[06:24] <Guest98898> TJ- : i was looking at ubuntu docs and found "unattained-upgrades". have you use this ?
[06:26] <TJ-> haasn: you're getting very complicated now :)
[06:26] <TJ-> Guest98898: most servers are configured to use it
[06:26] <haasn> TJ-: It's not me that's complicated, it's all this darn software!!! I just want to run steam
[06:26] <TJ-> haasn: 'just' is such a small word :)
[06:27] <haasn> and that's where all the nightmares start
[06:28] <haasn> For starters, I couldn't run steam on my host distro even if I wanted to, but besides that, I don't want to. So I have a separate partition (with ubuntu on it) just for linux gaming and nothing else. Now, of course, I can't be bothered waiting 10 hours for a game to download while logged into an otherwise useless desktop and twiddling my thumbs, so I figured I'd ‘just’ run the same ubuntu partition inside
[06:28] <haasn> a VM so I can download in the background while I use my host OS for other things..
[06:28] <haasn> Now of course steam _needs_ GLX so it can render its garbage interface
[06:35] <ikka> hi
[06:39] <srinath> I want to remove the dnscrypt-proxy from ubuntu
[06:40] <srinath> I get error: dpkg: error processing package dnscrypt-proxy (--remove):
[06:40] <srinath>  subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[06:42] <srinath> I want to remove the dnscrypt-proxy from ubuntu
[06:43] <srinath> it says error like this: I get error: dpkg: error processing package dnscrypt-proxy (--remove):  subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[06:45] <locksmith> Why can't Mexicans be fire fighters? ....... Cuz they can't tell the difference between hose A and Hose B
[06:56] <phamthanh2336> q
[07:05] <ROPA> ag4ve, hi de KY1J!
[07:05] <Qwertie> Hey I need a bit of help collecting information for a bug report
[07:05] <Qwertie> I am collecting the suspend info for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1550905
[07:06] <kazuka> how do i add vmware-user command when ubuntu starts
[07:06] <Qwertie> But the instructions for collecting the debug info assume you cant get it to resume at all. I can its just that the screen backlight wont turn on
[07:09] <ROPA> I'm trying to install 15.10 onto a micro SD card (16 GB).  The installation recognizes my primary hard drive, but won't recognize the 16 GB micro SD card. I've tried with the micro sd mounted and unmounted. It shows up on the LIVE usb desktop, but the installation software won't recognize it.
[07:10] <ROPA> I should also say this is a micro sd card from a cell phone, but it works for storing files and files can be deleted from the card. It is not write protected. Any Ideas??
[07:11] <ROPA> kazuka, and Qwertie Sure wish I could help you both!!!
[07:28] <aulex> Has anyone installed gnome on Ubuntu 15.10 using a laptop with nvidis graphics, I cannot seem to get mine installed, I tried installing Ubuntu-gnome-desktop, but I'm greeted with a blackscreen, I tried pure gnome-shell and same thing and I also tried purging everything unity and still no luck. I swapped betwee lightdm and gdm and it didn't help either, any suggestions?
[07:29] <yigal> aulex: this easily could be the graphics card being used, you may need to tweak the kernel settings
[07:30] <aulex> How would I go about doing that
[07:30] <yigal> aulex: Let me ask you a few questions first.
[07:31] <yigal> Are you using the Nouveau driver or the proprietary nvidia driver?
[07:31] <aulex> Ok
[07:31] <yigal> also what graphics card are you using?
[07:32] <aulex> Nvidia-352, 750m
[07:34] <aulex> So proprietary
[07:38] <cheyan> yigal: this is aulex, I just swapped onto a terminal irc
[07:38] <cheyan> off of my phone
[07:39] <cheyan> so I'm using properiatery driver nvidia-352 and I have the gpu 750m
[07:39] <Aussie_matt> Hi all, anyone followed the asus z205ta thread to get linux on it?
[07:43] <cheyan> well, not sure where yigal went so I guess I'll ask again
[07:45] <cheyan> Does anyone know how to properly install gnome, I tried installing via ubuntu-gnome-desktop, but that resulted on a blackscreen on bootup, I tried just pure gnome-shell, but same issue, and I also tried purging unity, but that also didn't work. I suspect it has something to do with my gpu has I have a 750m on my laptop running the propriatery driver nvida-352
[07:46] <cheyan> I also tried swapping between gdm and lightdm, in all instances, but it never helped
[07:52] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: ubuntu-gnome-desktop is the right metapackage
[07:52] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: I would troubleshoot the black screen
[07:52] <cheyan> im not sure how I would go about it
[07:52] <cheyan> do you have suggestions
[07:53] <cheyan> Shirakawasuna:
[07:53] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: it may be a process (hard to say without knowing the problem)! But I would start by figuring out *what* the black screen is. I'd start by attempting to switch to a virtual terminal during the black screen (ctrl + alt + F1 or F2, etc)
[07:53] <cheyan> thats what i'm in right now
[07:53] <Shirakawasuna> ah, cool
[07:54] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: I would then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for (EE) warnings
[07:54] <Shirakawasuna> or I guess they're technically errors
[07:55] <cheyan> no EE
[07:56] <Shirakawasuna> huh
[07:56] <cheyan> hmm I do have Xorg.0.old
[07:56] <cheyan> that has some warnings in it
[07:56] <Shirakawasuna> is virtual terminal 7 still the black screen?
[07:56] <cheyan> how do I swap to 7 XD
[07:56] <Shirakawasuna> most warnings (WW) are harmless
[07:56] <Shirakawasuna> ctrl + alt + F7
[07:57] <Shirakawasuna> that's where X goes by default
[07:57] <cheyan> yes
[07:57] <cheyan> ok
[07:57] <cheyan> well I mean EE
[07:57] <cheyan> in the old one I do see EE
[07:57] <Shirakawasuna> check the date to make sure it's relevant
[07:57] <cheyan> oh I do have warnings in Xorg.0.log
[07:58] <cheyan> WW
[07:58] <cheyan> no errors though
[07:58] <Shirakawasuna> ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*
[07:58] <Shirakawasuna> so you can know if the Xorg.0.log.old is relevant (check the timestamp)
[07:59] <Shirakawasuna> if it is, tell me what the (EE) is
[07:59] <cheyan> it's today about 30 minutes ago
[07:59] <cheyan> I also have a failsafe log from about 2 hours ago which is when I first started this
[08:00] <Shirakawasuna> cool, I'm guessing 30 minutes ago = black screen
[08:00] <Shirakawasuna> so what's the (EE)
[08:00] <Shirakawasuna> I'm guessing you either have an error with Xorg or a lightdm issue
[08:01] <cheyan> segfault with xorg it looks like
[08:01] <cheyan> oh hmm
[08:01] <cheyan> interesting
[08:02] <jim> Shirakawasuna, (EE) are errors in the log
[08:02] <cheyan> yea I see a stack trace
[08:02] <cheyan> or a backtrace, don't know what that is but I assume it's a stack trace
[08:03] <cheyan> it's in reference to /usr/bin/X
[08:03] <Shirakawasuna> jim: I know
[08:03] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: ouch, a segfault?
[08:03] <Shirakawasuna> I was expecting a nice video driver error
[08:03] <jim> Shirakawasuna, you asked :P
[08:04] <Shirakawasuna> jim: Ah, no I was asking cheyan what was next to the (EE) in their log :)
[08:04] <cheyan> in the failsafe log
[08:04] <cheyan> I also have errors
[08:04] <cheyan> this is old though
[08:04] <jim> oh ok
[08:04] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: lets ignore that one then
[08:04] <cheyan> ok
[08:05] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: debugging a segfault can be tough. Is it in the Xorg.0.log? And if so, what's next to the (EE) entries?
[08:05] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: Also, have you by any chance enabled PPAs / other package repos relevant to X, like xorg-edgers?
[08:06] <cheyan> it's in Xorg.0.log.old, but at the end of it, it says check Xorg.0.log which is weird cause there were no errors in there
[08:06] <cheyan> how can i check my list of repositories via terminal
[08:06] <cheyan> I don't believe I do
[08:06] <cheyan> but let's double check
[08:08] <ikka> A little bit complex question: Ubuntu (assuming it's the right choice) machine with a file sharing solution (sftp for example) for a small business (a little shop for an old friend of mine, we would skip Windows). It has to be "secure" but nothing very serious. Nothing else needs to be run on the system, it won't be used for anything else. Users would need to be able to log in and upload download on a daily basis (I would teach him how to
[08:08] <ikka> create and or delete users, so a GUI would be a great addition). Backup and restore every day (including the users) to be safe in case of hardware failure.. what would be the best / most efficient way to solve this. I'm not a Linux master guru:), I'm willing to read as much as possible, but some easier approach and some guides would be appreciated. Please excuse my English. Thank you.
[08:10] <cheyan> so the repos I have are blackmage, for flux, docker, dolphin, dropbox, gnome3-team-ubuntu, google-chrome, kilian for flux, mumble, nodesource, obs, scud slack stuff, slack, spotify, java, sublime
[08:10] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: PPAs are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[08:10] <cheyan> the only thing is the gnome3 repos
[08:11] <cheyan> but I tried to get the latest version of gnome after it failing through gnome-ubuntu-desktop
[08:12] <Shirakawasuna> I'd remove all gnome packages, then remove gnome3-team-ubuntu, then reinstall the gnome packages, just to be safe. Though I think that's *probably* not causing your issue
[08:12] <cheyan> 99% it isn't, but I'll do it anyways
[08:12] <Shirakawasuna> cheyan: So... what's next to your (EE) lines in Xorg.0.log.old?
[08:13] <cheyan> well first few lines are
[08:13] <Shirakawasuna> ikka: How secure? Why not use something like Dropbox?
[08:13] <cheyan> (EE) Backtrace:
[08:14] <cheyan> (EE) 0: /usr/bin/x (xorg_backtrace + hex) [hex address]
[08:14] <cheyan> next file of relevance is libc.so.6
[08:14] <cheyan> nvidia_drv.so
[08:15] <cheyan> then from there it everything ocucrs in the X binary, im assuming that's xorg?
[08:15] <Shirakawasuna> it's probably nvidia
[08:15] <cheyan> yea that's what I think
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> I'd reinstall your nvidia drivers
[08:16] <cheyan> I did
[08:16] <cheyan> multiple times
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> Then I'd downgrade/upgrade them
[08:16] <cheyan> various versions
[08:16] <cheyan> yep
[08:16] <cheyan> did that too
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> then I'd uninstall them with --purge if it lets you do that without removing a bunch of other packages (like xorg, gnome, etc)
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> then reinstall
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> in case it's a config
[08:17] <cheyan> did that too
[08:17] <cheyan> didn't require me to delete any GUI packages
[08:17] <cheyan> from what I saw
[08:19] <Shirakawasuna> are you totally sure you don't have a strange version of nvidia or xorg? apt-cache showpkg nvidia-{version} and check 'Versions:'. Same for xorg
[08:20] <Shirakawasuna> You may also want to try nuking /etc/X11/ conf files (just move them to a backup location)
[08:20] <cheyan> nvidia-352 from the dump
[08:21] <cheyan> xorg version 1:7.7+ubuntu4
[08:21] <cheyan> not sure how to read that
[08:21] <Shirakawasuna> those are legit versions
[08:21] <Shirakawasuna> I'd uninstall + purge nvidia again
[08:22] <Shirakawasuna> make sure *no* nvidia-like packages remain (dpkg-query --list | grep nvidia)
[08:22] <cheyan> yep
[08:22] <cheyan> so clean install basically
[08:22] <Shirakawasuna> then check /etc/X11 and see if any config files for it remain
[08:22] <cheyan> ok
[08:22] <cheyan> I have a lot of excess gnome packages installed
[08:22] <Shirakawasuna> and move /etc/X11/xorg.conf, if it exists, to a backup location like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[08:22] <cheyan> any suggestion in removing them
[08:23] <Shirakawasuna> Yeah I'd remove those just for cleanliness' sake, though I don't think they'd cause an X segfault
[08:27] <cheyan> Shirakawasuna: it's like 4:30 am for me, i'll finish this up tmmw, hopefully it works, ty for help
[08:29] <kdm12> ikka: A lot of people use the business version of gmail for that
[08:31] <kdm12> ikka: There's also dropbox
[08:36] <kdm12> Can anyone tell me if it's actually possible to get dual booting working with full disk encryption in Wily?
[08:38] <bekks> kdm12: dualbooting which other OS?
[08:40] <kdm12> bekks: MacOS
[08:41] <bekks> kdm12: Then the answer is "no", since you cannot encrypt the entire disk, if another non-Linux OS is to be installed on the same disk.
[08:41] <bekks> kdm12: You can just encrypt your Ubuntu.
[08:42] <kdm12> bekks: Can I not encrypt the macos partition with macos, and the ubuntu partitions with ubuntu?
[08:42] <bekks> kdm12: Sure, but thats not "full disk encryption".
[08:42] <bekks> kdm12: Because you are using two different encryption mechanisms, and you are not encrypting the entire disk with one of them.
[08:44] <kdm12> bekks: It's partition level, which is the same thing, surely? Anyhow I;m not quite sure if it will work, or how to go about setting it up.
[08:45] <bekks> If it is the same thing, you set it up just the same - on a smaller partition.
[08:46] <bekks> kdm12: Are you using an Apple computer?
[08:47] <kdm12> bekks: Yes, it's a macbook. I can get one OS encrypted on it, but not both. Half the problem is the graphical installer doesnt support it, the other of the problem is that booting is complex. Grub has to launch the OS, the OS has to prompt for the key, and then launch.
[08:48] <bekks> kdm12: If the graphical installer does not support it, use the text installer, which supports it.
[08:48] <kdm12> bekks: I could use an encrypted home as a workaround, but it's not as secure.
[08:48] <kdm12> bekks: Have you manage to get it working?
[08:49] <bekks> And using a MAcbook, I'd stick with using OSX on the entire disk, and just setup a VM for Ubuntu.
[08:49] <kdm12> Ubuntu is the primary OS for me :P
[08:49] <bekks> kdm12: I havent used the graphical installer until now - at all.
[08:51] <kdm12> bekks: I mean have you managed to do with the console mode installer?
[08:51] <HaloSponge> Anyone know when I can buy a Convergence phone direct from the manufacturers website. Links would be nice ?
[08:52] <bekks> kdm12: I havent used anything else but the console installer until now :) And yes, it works.
[08:52] <kdm12> bekks: Can I please ask how you setup the boot for both OS?
[08:53] <kdm12> bekks: My problem is that it wont recognise an encrypted OS, so I need to somehow setup everything manually
[08:54] <bekks> kdm12: Then you have to create a grub entry, manually.
[08:57] <EriC^^> kdm12: are you using uefi?
[08:57] <kdm12> bekks: I've tried this but it doesn't work. I just get a black screen. http://askubuntu.com/questions/293028/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-encrypted-with-luks-with-dual-boot
[08:58] <HaloSponge> Anyone know where I can get a Convergence phone, exactly ?
[08:59] <kdm12> EriC^^: It's a new macbook. I think it's EFI.
[08:59] <EriC^^> kdm12: maybe use refind to boot grub and macosx and they can handle the decryption of their partitions?
[09:00] <EriC^^> the efi partition would have to be unencrypted though
[09:00] <HaloSponge> I'm sneezing my question, now.
[09:01] <kdm12> EriC^^: Thanks. Give me some time to try this.
[09:32] <lhr> 0.0
[09:33] <ikka> A little bit complex question: Ubuntu (assuming it's the right choice) machine with a file sharing solution (sftp for example) for a small business (a little shop for an old friend of mine, we would skip Windows). It has to be "secure" but nothing very serious. Nothing else needs to be run on the system, it won't be used for anything else. Users would need to be able to log in and upload download on a daily basis (I would teach him how to
[09:33] <ikka> create and or delete users, so a GUI would be a great addition). Backup and restore every day (including the users) to be safe in case of hardware failure.. what would be the best / most efficient way to solve this. I'm not a Linux master guru:), I'm willing to read as much as possible, but some easier approach and some guides would be appreciated.
[09:33] <lhr> zz
[09:37] <joshuag> hi
[09:37] <u3oJlup5aHg> *wave*
[09:38] <lhr> 0.0
[09:38] <lhr> how can i
[09:38] <lhr> reg a nikname
[09:39] <EriC^^> /nickserv register <password> <email>
[09:40] <Guest51232> I just tried Manjaro and the install didn't go very well. I booted up to a grub error: 'no such partition'. After fixing that, I got an error in Ubuntu's GRUB screen: error symbol 'grub_efi_secure_boot' not found. I've fixed all that but I want to know how I can clean up residue from the failed install.
[09:40] <joshuag> is linux getting better at getting more games for it?
[09:55] <Guest37128> ciao
[09:56] <Guest37128> !list
[10:02] <Seveas> Why is it always italians with the !list?
[10:02] <Seveas> is warez via irc still big there?
[10:02] <Pointblank_1> Hello, have this question - when I do sudo update-rc.d myapp defaults it makes a bunch of links. Which command will restore original state? I did not understand the manuals about this. Ty
[10:03] <Seveas> Pointblank_1: that commoand restores defaults. Though it's becoming rapidly obsolete in the world of systemd
[10:06] <Pointblank_1> Seveas Ty. I want to clear everything of that app from the system. When I do that command I see the creation of links, not erasing them.
[10:06] <Seveas> sudo apt-get remove --purge thatapp
[10:07] <Pointblank_1> Seveas ty again, taking a note of it. You said it is obsolete. What is the current method suggested, just for my info?
[10:07] <Seveas> good question. My systemd-fu is not quite up to modern standards :)
[10:08] <kbrgl> Is there any command for viewing the current grub configuration
[10:09] <Pointblank_1> Seveas - OK. by the way, I hope we talked of the same thing. That app was not installed through sudo apt-get install. Is just an executable I am running as a service.
[10:09] <Seveas> kbrgl: less /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:09] <Seveas> Pointblank_1: in that case update-rc.d -f remove initscriptname
[10:09] <Seveas> or manually remove all its symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ :)
[10:10] <Pointblank_1> Seveas I think it is the thing I need to know. That "manual removal" I read is a common mistake of system administrators. That when you do this, next time they are restored.
[10:11] <Seveas> Pointblank_1: neh, if you manually installed it, no automated thing will bring it back
[10:13] <imacros> selam
[10:13] <imacros> türk olan var mı ?
[10:13] <imacros> yada türkçe bilen ?
[10:16] <Pointblank_1> Seveas OK, this mystified me (found for you: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man8/update-rc.d.8.html#contenttoc3) Third paragraph. So taking your fix as the solution for my problem and thank you for your help! :)
[10:20] <Seveas> Pointblank_1: that paragraph is correct. postinst scripts, which are part of packages that are installed with apt-get, will updo whatever you do for such packages
[10:20] <Seveas> But that does not apply to random binaries you installed by hand :)
[10:25] <ferz> Hi, how can I update lighttpd?  As package it seems quite old 1.4.33 while now there is 1.4.39
[10:31] <Seveas> !info lighttpd
[10:31] <Seveas> upgrade to wily for 1.4.35
[10:31] <Seveas> !info lighttpd xenial
[10:31] <ubik123> Somebody know how good the BQ Ubuntu tablet is?
[10:32] <cfhowlett> you mean the unreleased version??
[10:33] <ubik123> yes
[10:33] <cfhowlett> do the math
[10:33] <drmagoo> Does anyone here know if its possible to run rdesktop with geometry set to one thing and "screen resolution" to something else?
[10:33] <cfhowlett> unreleased ... UNreleased
[10:34] <Seveas> cfhowlett: your time machine broken again?
[10:34] <cfhowlett> whut?  did I miss a memo, Seveas ?  please explain
[10:34] <ubik123> 2 GB RAM sounds a little bit less
[10:34] <ubik123> for the ubuntu tablet
[10:34] <Seveas> cfhowlett: I'm guessing ubik123 expects us to have a time machine to go to the future and see how good it is :)
[10:35] <cfhowlett> ah, yes.
[10:35] <ubik123> yes, of course :D
[10:35] <ubik123> but bq ubuntu smartphone is quite good
[10:35] <cfhowlett> my machine is still getting steampunked from my encounter with the Morlocks
[10:35] <ubik123> except of that skype doesn't run
[10:35] <Seveas> ubik123: http://www.delorean.com/
[10:40] <Aussie_matt> anyone know if kemyLand and HarryHarryHarry from the ubuntu forums get on irc?
[10:42] <Seveas> Aussie_matt: not under those names at least
[10:42] <Aussie_matt> Seveas: ok.... hope they pop up :)
[10:43] <Seveas> why not simply poke them on the forums?
[10:44] <Aussie_matt> I'm not a member... I just wanna ask them about their epic x205ta asus thread... I'm a mageia guy
[10:44] <Marezz> Doing apt-get upgrade on 14.04 wont get me systemd right?
[10:45] <ferz> Marezz: what's wrong with systemd?
[10:46] <Tammyton> Any time I boot into Ubuntu, it takes me to the ctrl+alt+f1 screen
[10:47] <Tammyton> I have to type sudo service lightdm restart to get to the actual login screen
[10:47] <Marezz> ferz, sorry i dont want to get into that discussion, i dont like systemd, lets leave it at that.
[10:47] <Tammyton> It says "Unknown instance" before taking me to the login screen
[10:47] <Tammyton> does anyone know how to fix it?
[10:47] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  do you see the 5 dots during startup? if yes, hit f12 when you see them
[10:47] <Tammyton> I don't
[10:47] <Tammyton> But it does say something about cleaning a diary?
[10:49] <iain> has ubuntu ever booted tammyton?
[10:49] <Tammyton> yeah, I'm in ubuntu at the moment
[10:49] <Tammyton> Basically, when I boot ubuntu it says "cleaning diary" or something along those lines
[10:50] <Tammyton> then takes me to the ctrl+alt+f1 screen
[10:50] <Tammyton> I type in sudo service restart lightdm
[10:50] <Tammyton> In the console it says "instance not found"
[10:50] <Tammyton> and then it takes me to the actual graphical login screen
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  use  sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo autoclean
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> when you're in tty1
[10:52] <Tammyton> is tty1 the ctrl+alt+f1 console thing?
[10:52] <MonkeyDust> yes
[10:52] <Tammyton> do I need to restart my computer, or can I do it while I'm logged in?
[10:52] <iain> so turn on computer  > ubuntu boots to command line >
[10:52] <Tammyton> oh alright
[10:52] <Tammyton> yeah^
[10:54] <iain> is that a yeah to me?
[10:54] <Tammyton> yes
[10:54] <iain> k
[10:55] <Tammyton> Brb, going to try what monkeydust said
[10:55] <iain> then try running the he siad
[10:55] <ferz> Marezz: https://github.com/ServiceManager/ServiceManager
[10:56] <iain> he/she
[10:58] <Tammyton> This time it went into the console, then almost immediately went to the real login screen. This occasionally happens
[10:58] <Tammyton> So I didn't actually get to write the command in
[10:58] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  ok, but still use the commands i suggested
[10:58] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  use  sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo autoclean
[11:00] <Tammyton> Just tried. It says command autoclean not found
[11:01] <iain> just run each command individually
[11:01] <peterkotan> hey
[11:01] <iain> sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:01] <iain> sudo autoclean
[11:01] <iain> in the console now
[11:01] <iain> then reboot
[11:02] <iain> sudo apt-get autoclean
[11:02] <Tammyton> okay, thanks
[11:03] <peterkotan> hey
[11:03] <iain> so sudo raises the prvilages of the command, apt-get is the package manager and then you are telling the package manager to do something
[11:03] <iain> not sure it will fix it but hey worth a shot
[11:04] <peterkotan> after ~sudo su, u can leave the sudo command not?
[11:05] <iain>  not sure of your question, peter, try again
[11:05] <peterkotan> there is a command "sudo su"
[11:05] <Tammyton> I've just done what you said, but I'm still getting command autoclean not found
[11:05] <iain> su = sudo
[11:05] <iain> same thing
[11:06] <peterkotan> o aright i see thanks
[11:06] <iain> oh actually ia mwrong
[11:06] <iain> wrong
[11:06] <iain> sorry
[11:06] <iain> so we need sudo in ubuntu
[11:06] <iain> su is used in differnt linux distros and raises privialges permantely
[11:07] <iain> so use sudo in ubuntu with system commans peter
[11:07] <peterkotan> i thought with the "sudo su" command u gonna be in the root, so u can leave the sudo next time.. for example...sudo so  ->pw   -> apt-get
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  try sudo apt-get clean
[11:08] <peterkotan> and whats the diff between the terminal  emulator, and the ctrl + alt + f2?
[11:09] <iain> no idea about that peter
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> peterkotan  the terminal has config files, like bashrc etc
[11:09] <Tammyton> MonkeyDust okay, I've just done sudo apt-get clean, but it didn't give me any output or say that it's installed anything
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> peterkotan  e.g. an alias will work in the terminal, but not in tty1
[11:10] <peterkotan> alright. im quiet newbie, after being a windows user for so long (sorry dont want to hurt anybody)
[11:11] <iain> type apt-get --help
[11:12] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  sudo apt install aptitude ... then: sudo aptitude purge ~c   <-- that's a tilde
[11:13] <Tammyton> thanks, I'll try it
[11:13] <iain> type apt-get autoremove
[11:13] <Tammyton> MonkeyDust done
[11:14] <Tammyton> okay
[11:14] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  aptitude is not 'done' after a few seconds, it takes a while
[11:14] <Tammyton> oh, but it's letting me type commands in again so I assumed it was finished
[11:14] <MonkeyDust> aptitude purge ~c, even
[11:14] <Tammyton> yeah I did that
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  i'm running out of ideas now
[11:15] <iain> reboot and report what happens
[11:16] <Tammyton> alright
[11:17] <peterkotan> in pidgin can we turn off the messages about logging and quitin?
[11:17] <minasota> What will happen if I add the weechat repo to my sources list? When I update will it try to update both versions of weechat that are installed?
[11:18] <MonkeyDust> !info weechat
[11:19] <MonkeyDust> minasota  weechat sits in the universe repo, no need to add a source
[11:19] <minasota> MonkeyDust: I'm on trusty and want to stay lts.
[11:19] <Tammyton> Well now it goes to the console, asks for my login name and a second later goes to the actual login screen. So I guess that's better than what it was originally
[11:19] <MonkeyDust> !info weechat trusty
[11:19] <minasota> apt-cache show weechat doesn't show a newer version?
[11:19] <BlackVenom> Hey anyone around that can help with a samba issue
[11:20] <BlackVenom> My Mac only seems to spot it on the odd occasion
[11:21] <Tammyton> monkeydust This comes up before the console screen, if that makes any difference? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15423665/
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[11:22] <Tammyton> Ubuntu 15.10 \n \l
[11:22] <Tammyton> Ubuntu 15.10 \n \l
[11:23] <minasota> MonkeyDust: I'm using 0.4.2-3. If I install 1.3-1 from the universe repo will it just simply upgrade my version with settings in tact?
[11:23] <Tammyton> accidentally pasted twice
[11:24] <MonkeyDust> minasota  not sure, never tried
[11:24] <iain> you may have a hardware problem
[11:25] <Tammyton> oh alright
[11:25] <Tammyton> do you think reinstalling ubuntu could help?
[11:26] <Tammyton> The first time I installed ubuntu I didn't have this problem. I had a different issue with it though, so I deleted the partition and reinstalled
[11:27] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  one more thing: fsck -TV /dev/sda1   <-- replace sda1 with your specific dev
[11:28] <iain> tam type: sudo lsblk and paste the results
[11:28] <minasota> MonkeyDust: I guess I don't understand how that works in Ubuntu. 14.04 only goes to 0.4.2-3 for weechat. If I add a source or pull from a newer release repo, does that package get broken
[11:28] <Tammyton> do you know how I find out which dev I'm using?
[11:29] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  what iain says
[11:29] <mave_> no, it gets replaced minasota
[11:29] <Tammyton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15423709/
[11:29] <Tammyton> oh cheers
[11:30] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  and now: lsblk -f
[11:30] <Tammyton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15423721/
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  looks like ubuntu sits in sda6
[11:31] <iain> can u confirm how many hard drive you have in your system
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  looks like ubuntu sits in sdb6
[11:31] <Tammyton> thanks
[11:32] <Tammyton> it says it will cause filesystem damange :x
[11:32] <Tammyton> should I just do it?
[11:32] <minasota> mave_: Ok, so if I use willy repo I don't need to purge the package, but if I add a wwechat.list file and repo to my sources list that pulls from weechat.org and install, I will have two versions of weecaht installed?
[11:33] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  first backup, before you start modifying partitions
[11:33] <Tammyton> this will only modify my sdb6 partition though right?
[11:35] <Tammyton> It says it can't continue because it's mounted anyway
[11:37] <Tammyton> thanks for your help. I may just try reinstalling ubuntu
[11:38] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  good luck
[11:44] <iain> hope i kind of helped
[11:44] <iain> laters
[11:54] <anthony> hey all how's it going?
[11:54] <anthony> am newbie
[11:54] <Guest75241> what is this for?
[11:54] <MonkeyDust> Guest75241  this is ubuntu support, ask your ubuntu question here
[11:55] <ben__> is anybody there
[11:55] <MonkeyDust> ben__  type /names
[11:58] <ssarah> hei guys what happened to xvba-va-driver from these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD#Enabling_Video_Hardware_Acceleration ?
[11:58] <ssarah> im using fglrx driver in ubuntu 15.10
[11:58] <ssarah> cant find it in apt-cache search either
[12:05] <cagee> Hi. I am having trouble with bluetooth
[12:05] <cagee> asus x550L, the bluetooth appears to be available, but enabling it does nothing
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> cagee  install blueman
[12:08] <cagee> k
[12:11] <cagee> no adapter found, it says :p
[12:15] <peterkotan> anybody any idea how to start learning ubuntu?:)
[12:15] <MonkeyDust> !manual | peterkotan
[12:15] <cfhowlett> !manual | peterkotan read
[12:15] <cagee> depends what you use it for and your linux skills level
[12:15] <ALFA> by doing !
[12:15] <MonkeyDust> peterkotan  what ALFA  says: learn it like you learned windows or mac: by using it
[12:16] <peterkotan> hey that was fast guys thanks:)
[12:16] <peterkotan> !manual
[12:17] <Village> Hello Guys, i want install phpsysinfo on my DS Ubuntu 14.04, maybe someone can help me?
[12:18] <k1l> Village: where is the exact problem?
[12:19] <k1l> !away > cglocke|BNC
[12:19] <Tin_man> Village,  i'm not sure about phpsysinfo, but the regular sysinfo can be installed by sudo apt-get install sysinfo
[12:21] <cagee> I am using 14.04, should I update to 15.10? Waiting for 16.04 ;p. Maybe 15.10 fixes my bluetooth
[12:23] <Village> k1l, i don't know what i need do after sudo apt-get install phpsysinfo..
[12:23] <Village> Tin_man, can you show example?
[12:23] <cagee> village, google sysinfo install guide?
[12:25] <Village> cagee, i don't know from google, it's to hard understand form me, one write that second one different.. i want live help from peoples who faced with it
[12:26] <cagee> what is sysinfo btw, is it that web page that shows all the info? Or some native program?
[12:26] <cfhowlett> cagee, read man sysinfo
[12:26] <Village> cagee, wait, i show you example, it's shows DS info
[12:27] <Tin_man> there is no phpsysinfo in the apt-get library, just sysinfo
[12:27] <SchrodingersScat> Village: in package phpsysinfo I see this file, does this help? /etc/phpsysinfo/config.php
[12:27] <SchrodingersScat> Village: also /usr/share/doc/phpsysinfo/README
[12:28] <k1l> Tin_man: there is phpsysinfo in the repos
[12:28] <Village> cagee - http://phpsysinfo.github.io/phpsysinfo/demos.html
[12:28] <SchrodingersScat> !info phpsysinfo | Tin_man
[12:28] <Tin_man> sysinfo shows a complete breakdown of your system..
[12:29] <k1l> Village: you just need to link it from /usr/share/phpsysinfo to the folder in /var/www you want it to run in
[12:29] <cagee> Village: okay, it is a web page as I expected
[12:29] <Tin_man> SchrodingersScat, i'm not interested in phpsysinfo
[12:29] <Village> SchrodingersScat, i don't understand from docs..
[12:29] <SchrodingersScat> Tin_man: just explaining that at least in wily it does exist.
[12:29] <Village> k1l, how i can do it?
[12:30] <Tin_man> ok
[12:30] <k1l> Village: ln -s /usr/share/phpsysinfo /var/www/
[12:31] <Village> if to /var/www/html good? Because my page is at /html
[12:31] <Village> and what tag -s meens?
[12:31] <k1l> adjust that to your need. i dont know your setup there
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> -s means symbolic
[12:33] <cagee> village you can always do "man ln"
[12:34] <Village> ok Guys, let me try with it, i will write whats happenings
[12:41] <Village> k1l, what differents between "ln -s /usr/share/phpsysinfo /var/www/html" and without -s ?
[12:42] <bekks> Village: -s creates a symlink, without -s it created a hardlink.
[12:42] <Village> Ok, thanks
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> Village  without -s, it's a copy that changes with the original ... when you delete the original, the copy stays
[12:43] <bekks> a hardlink isnt a copy, it is a second reference for the same inode.
[12:46] <zerox> hi
[12:46] <zerox> This will fail: service start transmission-daemon
[12:46] <zerox> but this will success: /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon start
[12:46] <zerox> why?
[12:47] <zerox> what's the difference: service start FOOBAR, and: /etc/init.d/FOOBAR start
[12:47] <Village> MonkeyDust, understand, thanks
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> zerox  the syntax ... put the start in the end
[12:48] <graps> Hi
[12:48] <zerox> MonkeyDust: Sorry, I do meant "service FOOBAR start"...
[12:48] <k1l> zerox: the first is a (wrong) upstart syntax. the last one is sysvinit.
[12:48] <Village> k1l, i thinks it's works, but don't show many info
[12:48] <Village> just little bit
[12:49] <Village> But be good, thank you k1l
[12:49] <Tammyton> MonkeyDust reinstalling ubuntu fixed it :)
[12:50] <zerox> # service transmission-daemon start: result: transmission-daemon start/running, process 1836.  But actually it fails, with some error log
[12:50] <k1l> zerox: what errors?
[12:50] <zerox> from log file: [20:49:03.838] transmission-daemon Error loading config file -- exiting. (daemon.c:498)
[12:51] <xmj> moin
[12:51] <zerox> but run /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon start, there is no such error, daemon is working well.
[12:51] <xmj> does the dell xps13 developer edition come with an ubuntu version that has zfs as default Filesytem?
[12:51] <zerox> if run manually: transmission-daemon -f -g /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info, there is no error too.
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> xmj  #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:52] <k1l> zerox: as what user is it to be run in the config file?
[12:52] <zerox> does "service start FOOBAR" ultimately invoke /etc/init.d/FOOBAR ?
[12:52] <zerox> I have set "USER=root" in the /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon script file.
[12:53] <k1l> zerox: eeeek
[12:53] <zerox> Sorry, I meant "service FOOBAR start"...
[12:53] <zerox> I'm running a virtual machine, only root user in it.
[12:54] <bekks> zerox: which OS are you running in your guest?
[12:54] <k1l> this doesnt sound like a ubuntu setup.
[12:55] <zerox> The hypervisor is SmartOS, one virtual machine provides SAMBA. another one, whose OS is Ubuntu 14.04, will run transmission-daemon.
[12:57] <zerox> Isn't "/etc/init.d/foo" equivalent to "service foo" ?
[12:57] <k1l> zerox: its 2 different init systems
[12:58] <zerox> so I just stick to /etc/init.d/foo?
[12:59] <k1l> i would suggest you make a proper ubuntu vm setup there.
[12:59] <ioria> zerox, "Note:Restarting (or reloading) Transmission daemon can be tricky. Restarting the the daemon (while it is already running) would rewrite the Transmission settings files to its original state. In other words, restarting the Transmission daemon would reset all the custom settings you saved. "
[12:59] <ioria> zerox, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TransmissionHowTo#Starting_and_Stopping_Transmission_Daemon
[13:00] <zerox> ioria: I'm aware of this. So I stopped the daemon, modified the settings.json, and run the daemon manually to make sure the settings.json file is okay.
[13:00] <ioria> zerox, oh
[13:02] <zerox> I just restarted the Ubuntu 14.04. When I'm back to the system, there is no process listening at port 9091 (normally transmission-daemon listens on this). And the logged error is: transmission-daemon Error loading config file -- exiting. (daemon.c:498)
[13:02] <zerox> Then I just run "/etc/init.d/transmission-daemon start", everything goes okay.
[13:02] <k1l> zerox: then look at the upstart starting script
[13:03] <k1l> zerox: but your "root only" setup is out of the focus. ubuntu doesnt use such an setup.
[13:03] <zerox> k1l: what is the upstart starting script?
[13:03] <k1l> !upstart | zerox
[13:05] <ioria> zerox, grep   ENABLE_DAEMON     /etc/default/transmission-daemon
[13:05] <zerox> ENABLE_DAEMON=1
[13:06] <ioria> zerox,  try 0 ?
[13:07] <peterkotan> is facebook chat works with pigdin?
[13:08] <bekks> peterkotan: Officially, FB does not support any 3rd party clients.
[13:08] <haasn> What's the easiest way to get a newer kernel onto a ubuntu system for testing? I'm trying to try out a feature that seems to require Linux 4.4, but my 15.10 installation only ships with 4.2
[13:08] <k1l> !mainline | haasn
[13:08] <peterkotan> is there any other way?
[13:10] <zerox> Looks like it's the permission error. No access to /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json
[13:21] <peterkotan> anybody have an idea where to start learning linux?
[13:22] <k1l> peterkotan: install it. use it. read about stuff you want to do or you want t fix. basically learning by doing.
[13:23] <peterkotan> k1l: yeah i dont really know what to use for
[13:23] <k1l> use it as your desktop like you use some other OS now.
[13:24] <hetii> Hi
[13:24] <hetii>  I follow this howto: http://ipxe.org/appnote/ubuntu_live but I end with kernel panic in not-syncing  attemting to kill init, any clue why ?
[13:25] <peterkotan> k1l: alright thanks
[13:29] <dav> hie
[13:29] <dav> any one?
[13:29] <iputra> hi
[13:30] <cfhowlett> dav, no questions = no answers
[13:30] <dav> ok
[13:30] <dav> i'm new in linux
[13:30] <jatin30> Having trouble in running sudo dpkg -i linux-image-3.0.0-rc3-xia_05_amd64.deb
[13:31] <dav> can anyone help me in setup pidgin with fb account
[13:32] <jatin30> Can someone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15424610/
[13:32] <dav> ?
[13:33] <k1l> jatin30: we had all this the last time. you need to specifiy the /path/to/linux-kernel.deb if that .deb file is not in the same folder
[13:33] <dav> did u type the correct name @jatin
[13:34] <k1l> dav: facebook doesnt allow any other clients anymore.
[13:34] <binarydepth> Does DKMS has a INFO or MAN page  ?
[13:34] <dav> yeah ,that is what i was also thinking
[13:34] <jatin30> K1l: yeah I know sorry I had to compile the kernel again and I forgot it
[13:34] <dav> all thanks goes to messenger
[13:37] <dav> is unity better than mate?
[13:37] <cfhowlett> dav, test it for yourself and make up your own mind.  it's free.
[13:37] <k1l> dav: if its better for you, we cant tell you. just test it :)
[13:38] <dav> can anyone give me cmds to replace mate with unity
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> dav  install mate, logout, switch login
[13:38] <k1l> dav: sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[13:38] <cfhowlett> sudo apt  install ubuntu-desktop
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> dav  install mate, logout, switch, login
[13:39] <MonkeyDust> oh, replace mate, i misread
[13:39] <dav> haha
[13:39] <k1l> jatin30: do you know in which folder the .deb file is?
[13:40] <jatin30> k1l: finding it
[13:40] <dav> i want to first replace mate ,test it and then get it back.
[13:40] <k1l> dav: you can use several desktops on ubuntu. you can switch on the login screen
[13:41] <dav> and how do i install unity ?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> sudo apt  install ubuntu-desktop, dav
[13:41] <k1l> scroll up. we already told you
[13:42] <dav> ok,gotcha thx guys
[13:43] <maddawg3> isnt unity installed by default?
[13:43] <maddawg3> i thought that was the go-to for ubuntu
[13:43] <dav> na,it's Mate
[13:44] <maddawg3> tho i havent used ubuntu desktop in years so wat do i know
[13:44] <maddawg3> just server here
[13:44] <k1l> maddawg3: not if you install a flavor that ships with another desktop preinstalled
[13:44] <teward> maddawg3: ubuntu-desktop is the default for pure Ubuntu, Ubuntu MATE doesn't have ubuntu-desktop, they've got their own set.  in either case, ubuntu-desktop will install Unity and dependencies.
[13:45] <iputra> dav: youre pproblemm clear ?
[13:45] <dav> i am new to Linux ,and i just to test hell a lot of it
[13:45] <Guest90604> helo...
[13:45] <dav> downloading unity now
[13:46] <iputra> dav: i can use facebook chat in pidgin
[13:46] <dav> hey how do i setup it with mate,and can i remove it later
[13:46] <dav> but mine not wrking
[13:46] <dav> can you tell me settings
[13:47] <dav> and version of pidgin that you are using ,iputra
[13:47] <iputra> dav: http://www.webupd8.org/2015/08/use-facebook-chat-in-pidgin-with-purple.html
[13:47] <iputra> my pidgin version is 2.10.11
[13:48] <maddawg3> gotcha teward
[13:49] <dav> it's purple-facebook library
[13:49] <maddawg3> too many ubuntu flavors now
[13:49] <pizzom> ciao
[13:49] <dav> guys ,How to setup unity and then remove it (after testing)
[13:50] <k1l> dav: remove the meta-package you installed
[13:50] <dav> kll:meta-packages of unity?right
[13:51] <k1l> dav: no
[13:51] <k1l> dav: install "ubuntu-desktop" which will install all the stuff needed for the ubuntu standard desktop that is unity.
[13:51] <maddawg3> not just remove but actually purge
[13:51] <maddawg3> yea if you install ubuntu-desktop it will work but to remove it do apt-get purge <package name>
[13:51] <k1l> dav: then logout. choose unity on the login screen, login. (this was told to you now 10 times. )
[13:51] <maddawg3> not just remove
[13:52] <dav> ok,can i use both of them
[13:52] <k1l> dav: yes
[13:52] <maddawg3> at the same time dav?
[13:52] <k1l> dav: just choose the desktop you like on the login screen.
[13:52] <maddawg3> no but you just logoff and select a different destkop env*
[13:52] <dav> and remove one of them without hurting another one
[13:52] <maddawg3> yes
[13:52] <k1l> dav: yes
[13:52] <maddawg3> just reverse the sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[13:53] <maddawg3> sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[13:53] <maddawg3> and it will remove it and delete anything associated with it
[13:53] <dav> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[13:53] <maddawg3> that was put on when you installed it basically
[13:53] <maddawg3> no purge
[13:53] <maddawg3> dont just remove
[13:53] <maddawg3> you want it to remove everything
[13:54] <k1l> dav: just install ubuntu-desktop and start using it. seems like the removing is too much information for you right now
[13:54] <maddawg3> purge will literally get rid of everything you installed when you installed it basically
[13:54] <maddawg3> LOL
[13:54] <maddawg3> i think it removes all the dependencies you installed with it that are used by it
[13:54] <dav> guys you are confusing me
[13:54] <maddawg3> what's confusing?
[13:55] <dav> ok,leave
[13:55] <maddawg3> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[13:55] <maddawg3> and to remove
[13:55] <maddawg3> sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[13:55] <dav> i will handle else myself
[13:55] <maddawg3> DONE
[13:55] <maddawg3> ok well you asked
[13:55] <maddawg3> were given answers
[13:55] <maddawg3> and then kept asking the same question
[13:56] <dav> hey,are you programmers?
[13:56] <maddawg3> ....
[13:56] <maddawg3> you wanna talk to developers go to #ubuntu-dev
[13:56] <dav> ... (3*.)
[13:56] <maddawg3> i'm a linux systems administrator
[13:56] <dav> ok
[13:56] <maddawg3> which means i know how to use the OS
[13:57] <maddawg3> dav you use windows?
[13:57] <dav> yeah
[13:57] <dav> i'm a c++ programmer
[13:57] <maddawg3> you know when you uninstall in windows how it leaves stuff behind in the registry sometimes?
[13:57] <dav> yes
[13:57] <maddawg3> well if you do just apt-get remove <package name>
[13:58] <maddawg3> it tends to leave stuff behind as well
[13:58] <dav> ok
[13:58] <maddawg3> doing sudo apt-get purge <package name> removes it and DELETES everything
[13:58] <maddawg3> leaving nothing behind that was installed when you installed the package
[13:58] <dav> im getting it
[13:58] <maddawg3> therefore being a complete uninstall
[13:58] <dav> now
[13:58] <dav> ths
[13:58] <dav> thx
[13:59] <maddawg3> must be taking first class in linux lol :-P
[13:59] <dav> haha
[13:59] <dav> i love to learn
[13:59] <haifei> en
[14:00] <dav> en == english?
[14:01] <maddawg3> http://askubuntu.com/questions/231562/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-get-purge-and-apt-get-remove
[14:01] <dav> tell me more about ubuntu,maddawg3
[14:01] <Guest61864> tired
[14:01] <cfhowlett> dav, if you want to learn read the manual.  or www.fullcirclemagazine.org  start at #0 and continue
[14:01] <maddawg3> you can go read about it on the google
[14:02] <maddawg3> HowToLinux.com
[14:02] <maddawg3> lol
[14:02] <maddawg3> ooo i am buying that domain name right now
[14:02] <maddawg3> HELL YEA
[14:03] <maddawg3> damn it's owned
[14:03] <cfhowlett> also --- it's offtopic
[14:03] <dav> is there any source from where i can learn about Linux Kernel's interrupts and Api's
[14:03] <maddawg3> i apologize... i'll look for "HowToUbuntu.com" instead
[14:04] <maddawg3> sheesh topic nazis
[14:04] <vervet> maddawg3: I don't think purge removes the dependencies, you have to run apt-get autoremove to do that
[14:04] <maddawg3> ah yea true
[14:04] <maddawg3> but no reason to in his case me thinks
[14:04] <vervet> yep, probably not
[14:04] <Guest61864> to learn more about linux,you have to buy a great book
[14:05] <maddawg3> but i wouldnt do just a "apt-get remove" for sure
[14:05] <dav> that's what i was waiting for.
[14:05] <maddawg3> i cant think of any time that i've ever wanted to keep config files after removing a package
[14:05] <cfhowlett> "buy"?  false.  http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20090405061458383/20oftheBestFreeLinuxBooks-Part1.html
[14:07] <dav> ok,guys thanks for your help really learned a lot
[14:08] <dav> quit():Bye
[14:09] <Seveas> maddawg3: I can think of lots of times where you wnated it :)
[14:09] <Seveas> (hint every time you upgrade a package, it's removed and installed)
[14:10] <maddawg3> oh true
[14:10] <maddawg3> if you want to get technicasl
[14:10] <maddawg3> lol
[14:10] <maddawg3> but there's also apt-get upgrade
[14:11] <Seveas> that does the same thing
[14:18] <wsdjeg> ubuntu startup need more thank 120s,how could I find what is going on?
[14:19] <ogra_> boot without splash to see actual boot messages would be a start
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> wsdjeg  a few tips http://paste.ubuntu.com/15425107/
[14:21] <Emperor_Earth_> Jordan_U: Hey, is now convenient for you?
[14:21] <STONE-CHN> aha
[14:22] <k1l> wsdjeg: what ubuntu version exactly?
[14:24] <wsdjeg> 15.10,
[14:24] <wsdjeg> when I first time install this os,the system startup only need 20s
[14:25] <k1l> wsdjeg: systemd-analyze time
[14:25] <wsdjeg> Startup finished in 8.107s (kernel) + 29.343s (userspace) = 37.450s
[14:26] <wsdjeg> ok,it is 37s,but it is too long for me
[14:31] <sphaerox> hey, can i install gnomes themes on unity too?
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> sphaerox  i guess that would be gtk3 themes ... unity is a compiz layer over gnome3
[14:32] <sphaerox> ahh okay, thanks man
[14:37] <hinnerk> hi. I'm running ubuntu 15.10 on my laptop, fairly standard installation. java is version 1.7.0.95. Apparently javaws is not available. I thought it would be commonly part of java? What do I need to get it?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:48] <d> iji
[14:48] <d> hello
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> ws2k3
[14:57] <aliens> hello i want to install Ubuntu on an EUFI machine
[14:57] <aliens> do i just run live USB and let it sort itself out?
[14:57] <aliens> no dual boot, just Ubuntu
[14:58] <TJ-> aliens: provided you ensure you boot the Live image in UEFI mode, not Legacy BIOS. That is down to how the PC's boot manager prsents the options, plus things like SecureBoot, FastBoot and others in the system's config.
[14:59] <aliens> TJ-: I have option to boot in EUFI secure boot mode, or I can run Legacy BIOS
[14:59] <aliens> i.e. my USB stick is under "Legacy boot" options
[15:00] <aliens> i dont have anything specific either...
[15:00] <jerome__> hi guys
[15:00] <aliens> i tried installing OpenSUSE, its "opensuse-secureboot" showed up under UEFI mode, so I need a way to overwrite that data
[15:01] <jerome__> I have a small issue :  foreman is setting up a domain with bind integration, working great when creating a vm, but when deleting it, the entry is not deleted in bind
[15:02] <aliens> so my question is - Legacy BIOS or UEFI?
[15:03] <TJ-> aliens: I'd try UEFI; SecureBoot to start with. If that fails, disable SecureBoot and try again
[15:07] <ROPA> Hi All, I need help installing 15.10 from a live USB to a microsd  card. The microsd card is not write protected and it is in an 'adapter', so it will fit into my existing full sized SD slot on my laptop.
[15:07] <ROPA> The problem is that the installation program will not allow me to select the microsd card as a destination for the new install. The microsd is fully functional, ubuntu recognizes it and I can copy and delete files from/to it.
[15:08] <ROPA> I should also say that the microsd card came from a cell phone, but I expected the installation program to overwrite the entire contents of the sdcard anyway.
[15:08] <ROPA> HHHHHHEEEEEEELLLLLLPPPPPPP!!!!
[15:11] <ROPA> hi AG4VE de KY1J!!
[15:12] <SchrodingersScat> how big is the card?
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> ROPA  drop the caps
[15:12] <ROPA> ok on caps, sorry. Card is 16 GB.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ROPA, use gparted to reformat microsdcard to fat32
[15:16] <TJ-> ROPA: have you ensured any existing file-systems on the SD-card are *unmounted* before trying to partition the device, or does the installer not even offer the SDcard as a mass storage device option?
[15:16] <ROPA> SchrodingersScat, ok, not sure what the format is now, but ubuntu recognizes it without problems, just won't work in the install mode. I will reformat and try again.
[15:17] <TJ-> ROPA: if it is on /dev/mmcblk* device node then the installer might not like the fact its MMC rather than SCSI
[15:17] <ROPA> tj I tried it mounted and unmounted.
[15:18] <TJ-> ROPA: is it a /dev/mmcblk* device ?
[15:18] <ROPA> tj not sure what that means........
[15:19] <ROPA> tj if I reformat, will the result be an scsi device?
[15:20] <alexius> hi
[15:20] <alexius> hola
[15:21] <TJ-> ROPA nothing to do with 'formatting' - no formatting required; the installer partitions/formats
[15:22] <TJ-> ROPA MMC or SCSI are 2 types of mass-storage hardware device interfaces; many built-in sd-card adapters use MMC (Multi Media Card) interface directly. SSD, HDD generally use {PS}ATA presented as SCSI devices
[15:23] <ROPA> tj OK, I opened the 'disks utility', it states the partition type is W95 FAT32 (bootable) LBA.
[15:25] <ROPA> gparted lists it as fat32, but there is a yellow trianle on that line with an exclamation character in the triangle.
[15:28] <adrian_1908> ROPA, maybe try reformatting it again and see if the warning disappears.
[15:28] <ROPA> tj OK, I just looed up the meaning of the yellow triangle, it means "Unable to open /dev/sdc read-write (Read-only file system).  /dev/sdc has been opened read-only."
[15:29] <ROPA> looed = looked, typo.
[15:30] <ROPA> I will try to reformat now.
[15:31] <ROPA> ok, gparted says it can't write to the drive because it is mounted as 'read only'.
[15:32] <AndChat71489> sudo/ gparted
[15:33] <ROPA> so, right now, my microsd card has no partitions, says 'unallocated'.
[15:33] <ROPA> I thought gparted was always run as sudo.
[15:34] <ROPA> brb
[15:38] <ROPA> ok, I closed gparted, started it from the command line with "sudo gparted". The warning and the yellow triangle are still there and it says it can't write to the drive becqauseit is 'read only'.
[15:39] <ROPA> I have a smaller 8GB microsd card, I'll insert it and see if it has a similar issue.
[15:40] <AndChat71489> sudo/ cfdisk
[15:40] <ROPA> by the way, the command line output says "Unable to open /dev/sdc read-write (Read-only file system).  /dev/sdc has been opened read-only."
[15:42] <AndChat71489> cfdisk/ dev/ sdb1
[15:43] <AndChat71489> cfdisk /dev/sdb
[15:43] <michael_mbp> hi all
[15:44] <michael_mbp> Thoughts on recommending a decent laptop for Ubuntu please?  Something Lenovo?
[15:44] <lapyo> lenovo thinkpad
[15:45] <michael_mbp> lapyo: any particular series?
[15:45] <lapyo> it depends on what you want
[15:46] <ROPA> michael_mbp, I had fantastic performance with a Dell Model 15 and a Dell Model 15R, ordered them with P5 processor and ubuntu FLIES!!
[15:46] <michael_mbp> well something that's quick, circa 16 gig ram, SSD would be nice.
[15:46] <lapyo> lenovo has pretty good sites for searching the one you want
[15:46] <ROPA> Dell also has 14 inch and 17 inch versions of the same laptop.
[15:47] <michael_mbp> ROPA: ah.
[15:47] <michael_mbp> ugh these come with windows stock :/
[15:47] <ROPA> As a company though, I DO NOT recommend Dell, I sold both due to Dells treatment of me to fix a waranty problem::>
[15:48] <michael_mbp> ROPA: yeah, I'm stuck too in that regard as I'm in Sri Lanka and the company behind Dell is pants.
[15:48] <ROPA> Yes, you cannot buy a Dell computer without paying for windows, although they will supply one with linux only instead.
[15:48] <michael_mbp> One of the reasons all my equipment current is Apple, mainly cause I get warranty done in Singapore.  I spend 99% of my time in xterm on a Mac LOL.
[15:49] <michael_mbp> ROPA: good to know, thanks.
[15:49] <michael_mbp> trying to find a good model, horrid UX http://shopap.lenovo.com/lk/en/laptops/lenovo/
[15:49] <kbrgl> I'm using a Lenovo Yoga 500 model 80N4 and it works pretty great
[15:50] <michael_mbp> kbrgl: thanks!
[15:50] <ROPA> ok, michael_mbp  GL to you. In closing, used Dells are available on ebay, not sure if a used computer meets your needs. Aloha.
[15:50] <AndChat71489> ROPA create a partition with cfdisk, than reboot your laptop e you can delete it with sudo/ Gparted
[15:50] <michael_mbp> I'll check the local Dell agent and see what they stock. thanks mate.
[15:51] <michael_mbp> I plan to run FreeBSD, maybe Archlinux, and a couple others.
[15:51] <michael_mbp> toying with Virtualbox only gets me so far ;-)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> michael_mbp, my understanding that MS practically gives windows away to the manufacturers just so they install it on all their consumer computers
[15:51] <michael_mbp> BluesKaj: Ah...
[15:52] <michael_mbp> So it's a virus then?
[15:52] <michael_mbp> :p
[15:52] <michael_mbp> hahah....
[15:52] <ROPA> AndChat71489, will cfdisk allow me to create a partition even though it is read only??
[15:52] <AndChat71489> try
[15:53] <BluesKaj> well it does work for most people, but they still pay $130 US extra for any pc no matter which OS is installed
[15:53] <ROPA> AndChat71489,  I shall do so.
[15:54] <AndChat71489> cfdisk or sudo/ cfdisk
[15:54] <ROPA> Thanks to all for help with microsd card issue!!!! Will try and return later.
[15:56] <michael_mbp> ohh I forgot about this too http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Lenovo/
[15:56] <goddard> how can i stop a command from showing up in the terminal?
[15:56] <goddard> for example history -w
[15:56] <ROPA> michael_mbp, Gateway told me they are actually contracted to supply microsoft OS on any computer thet they sell!!!!
[15:56] <michael_mbp> Pipe to &2>1 ?
[15:56] <|avalon|> command 2 >&1 > /dev/null
[15:56] <slakevc> goddard add a space before it , that works on most distros
[15:56] <ROPA> GL all.
[15:56] <michael_mbp> TC ROPA
[15:57] <michael_mbp> oops, 2>&1
[15:57] <|avalon|> michael_mbp: i believe that you are redirecting 2's filedescriptor to stdour
[15:57] <|avalon|> yes, that
[15:57] <|avalon|> :D
[15:57] <|avalon|> ;)
[15:57] <michael_mbp> yeah!
[16:11] <cyclist_2> Hi, everybody! I am in need of assistance in using Ubuntuzilla; does it remove the open tabs on the current version or does it keep them after upgrading Firefox?
[16:12] <mikeloud> asd
[16:15] <Delta706> The manual page for hdparm says older drives may not implement write-cache-flush. How can I tell if my drive does?
[16:15] <dav> how to remove mate,without hurting unity?
[16:16] <dav> anyone?
[16:18] <dav> can anyone tell me how to remove mate without hurting unity
[16:18] <mikeloud> does apt-get remove mate hurt unity?
[16:19] <lapyo> it shouldn't
[16:19] <mikeloud> i dont think it should either
[16:19] <dav> will it completely remove mate
[16:19] <lapyo> unless there's some special configurations
[16:19] <mikeloud> yes, it will
[16:19] <lapyo> yeah, you can add purge to that command too to be sure
[16:20] <mikeloud> apt-get remove --purge mate and apt-get autoremove afterwards should do it
[16:20] <lapyo> yup
[16:20] <dav> ok,are u sure?
[16:20] <lapyo> it's a basic package removing command
[16:20] <michael_mbp> do you guys prefer to stick to a GUI + term or jump to say another shell (F2?) and do something like tmux?
[16:21] <lapyo> GUI + term here
[16:21] <mikeloud> gui + term here aswell
[16:21] <michael_mbp> FYI it has been _years_ since I used a dedicated linux box. Been SSH'd in for the past 10+ years LOL.
[16:21] <pilne> i rarely jump to another shell these days tbh
[16:21] <lapyo> mostly because I want to see everything at any time
[16:21] <pilne> i do however abuse virtual desktops in gnome sometimes
[16:21] <michael_mbp> ah
[16:22] <dav> it not working
[16:22] <haasn> in my toy ubuntu partition I use a GUI so I can run graphical programs in the environment they were designed to run in. In my normal work OS I use a tiling WM + terminals all over my screen
[16:22] <mikeloud> you need to type sudo before
[16:23] <dav> yeah i have
[16:23] <lapyo> what does it say
[16:23] <dav> but it's says 0 to remove
[16:23] <dav> and 125 not upgraded
[16:23] <lapyo> are you sure you haven't already unistalled it?
[16:23] <bunjee> can anyone let me know if there are card games out there like black jack, slots or any casino type games?
[16:23] <dav> naa
[16:23] <lapyo> you can also use ubuntu software center to remove it
[16:24] <mikeloud> sudo apt-get remove mate-* could do it too i guess
[16:24] <dav> here listen ,it was pre installed then i installed unity
[16:24] <dav> now i want to remove it
[16:24] <dav> (mate)
[16:25] <mikeloud> log in to unity
[16:25] <mikeloud> and try typing sudo apt-get remove mate-*
[16:25] <dav> yeah im in unity
[16:26] <dav> will it completely remove mate,it saying 375 mb will be freed
[16:26] <lapyo> easiest solution could be reinstalling the whole OS but with unity
[16:26] <lapyo> yes it will
[16:26] <dav> ok
[16:26] <dav> i will try
[16:26] <dav> fingers crossed
[16:26] <mikeloud> after it finishes removing, type sudo apt-get autoremove
[16:26] <lapyo> it's not magic tho
[16:27] <dav> yeah,but still..
[16:27] <dav> well i'm new in this
[16:27] <lapyo> it's very simple once you get the basics
[16:28] <dav> i usually work in windows and vc++
[16:28] <dav> now i'm trying to learn linux
[16:28] <mikeloud> good idea, it's fun
[16:29] <dav> yeah
[16:29] <lapyo> linux is the best
[16:29] <dav> especially GCC
[16:29] <dav> which is a lot better compiler then vc++
[16:30] <dav> restarting now
[16:31] <voyager_> ubuntu the best!
[16:31] <voyager_> tru
[16:31] <lapyo> I'm distro hopping always but I'm always coming back to ubuntu
[16:31] <bunjee> any good card games out there on Ubuntu?
[16:31] <lapyo> without unity tho, ugh
[16:32] <mikeloud> Xfce is beautiful
[16:32] <lapyo> lxde here, since I love openbox
[16:32] <mikeloud> what are the pros of openbox?
[16:33] <mikeloud> ive barely touched it
[16:33] <mikeloud> everyone seems to enjoy it though
[16:33] <lapyo> very minimal and very configurable I guess
[16:33] <lapyo> at least those are my reasons
[16:33] <dav> hey it worked thanks
[16:33] <mikeloud> werent the configuration files in xml?
[16:33] <mikeloud> np
[16:34] <dav> but starting up is bit slow
[16:34] <dav> any tweaks
[16:34] <lapyo> yeah, you can do a lot with GUI too
[16:34] <mikeloud> oh, that's cool
[16:35] <lapyo> dav: unity requires a bit more power than mate
[16:35] <dav> i have
[16:36] <adrian_1908> big fan of XFCE too. It only lacks a good compositor (compton isn't bug free either) and the default file manager thunar is bug ridden. Other than that it's awesome, hits the sweet spot for me.
[16:36] <dav> do u think i should use amd drivers rather than open source ones
[16:36] <lapyo> I'd use proprietary drivers
[16:36] <haasn> dav: I wouldn't recommend using the AMD proprietary drivers, ever
[16:36] <dav> why
[16:37] <lapyo> they're crap?
[16:37] <dav> i think the opensource ones are not correctly working
[16:37] <haasn> They're bug-ridden, lack basic functionality and are prone to crashing
[16:37] <lapyo> my experience with proprietary drivers is mostly good
[16:37] <haasn> Then again, the free drivers are not that much better
[16:37] <haasn> I'd honestly just never recommend using AMD cards on Linux
[16:37] <lapyo> except with nvidia
[16:37] <dav> AMD is cool
[16:38] <dav> according to me
[16:38] <lapyo> you should try both solutions to make a decision which way you like it more
[16:38] <haasn> lapyo: ??? exact opposite here, nvidia proprietary is the only thing that's remotely close to stable, functioning and fast - AMD fglrx is basically segfault soup, broken vsync;  AMD open-source has always been too slow for realtime use for me, nvidia open source is.. let's just not mention it, and intel proprietary is basically the worst driver in existence
[16:39] <mikeloud> adrian, yeah, xfce just seems to pack it all, my complaints are the same as yours but everything else works great
[16:39] <adrian_1908> Nvidia is clearly better in the Linux Desktop department. I don't know why AMD doesn't invest more into this, it could make them stand out; but they lag behind in almost every department. It's like Intel/AMD in a way.
[16:39] <lapyo> haasn: I haven't really used modern AMD hardware(graphics) on ubuntu, so I can't really say
[16:39] <dav> ok,you guys have more experience in linux then me
[16:40] <haasn> FWIW I'm exposed to all sorts of driver bugs because I develop a cross-platform OpenGL application that uses pretty much every feature it can get its hands on
[16:40] <haasn> Most of the obscure features are the ones that crash the drivers. Luckily 99.99% of users don't see them because we work around them in our code :/
[16:40] <lapyo> that would explain a lot
[16:41] <adrian_1908> dav: basically, start out with the open-source drivers, and if for some reason you're unsatisfied, try the proprietary ones. that's all there is to be said :P
[16:41] <dav> but it working great although the starting speed is a bit low
[16:41] <lapyo> I hate the fact that hardware manufacturers basically piss on GNU/Linux
[16:41] <dav> opengl nice i never really got my hands on it
[16:42] <dav> i usually work in compiler writting (simpler ones) and my own personal projects
[16:42] <haasn> lapyo: I hate the fact that NVIDIA as a company consistently uses under-handed business practices, flat out lies in my face about my GPU's capabilities, and does everything it can to promote vendor lock-in. I wouldn't buy from them if I had an alternative. That's why I'm hoping so much that AMD's free drivers will continue improving at the rate they currently are
[16:43] <gangstalinux> hello there !!!
[16:43] <haasn> They can already just about match fglrx's performance, and the AMDGPU architecture makes most of the difficult integration much easier. Plus, with the move to lower-level APIs, there will be less of a burden on the GPU driver vendor to define your application's performance
[16:43] <adrian_1908> lapyo: Yeah, still an issue of market size I think. As a linux user one tends to get a distorted image of the size of the user base compared to windows/OSX, it's truly tiny. I hope Steam will help affect this over time.
[16:43] <lapyo> haasn: ikr, I'm not getting any nvidia hardware ever again unless they change some things
[16:43] <dav> microsoft too ,secureboot
[16:43] <lapyo> I have high hopes for steam machine/OS
[16:44] <haasn> lapyo: the sad part is that for my progam, even on linux, the AMD cards _massively_ outperform the nvidia cards for the same price; so not only am I giving money to nvidia, I'm also paying like twice the price for the same performance than if I was able to use AMD. Sadly, lack of vsync support when using multi-monitor setups with different refresh rates and orientations is a deal-breaker
[16:44] <dav> are you guys professional programmers or free lancers
[16:45] <lapyo> haasn: that sucks
[16:45] <adrian_1908> haasn: Is that OpenGL or OpenCL performance?
[16:45] <haasn> adrian_1908: OpenGL. I don't want to touch OpenCL with a 10-ft pole
[16:45] <lapyo> I'm an amateur programmer mostly for fun
[16:45] <adrian_1908> hehe ok
[16:45] <gangstalinux> new to the hole linux seen. just came up on a mac with ubuntu all ready on it but am havind alot of trouble intalling lil things i like on it any sudjestions
[16:46] <haasn> adrian_1908: It's texture sampling performance, actually. AMD cards have like twice the texture clock of nvidia cards, it's all in the spec sheets
[16:46] <hetii> Hi
[16:46] <hetii> :)
[16:46] <haasn> For games it doesn't matter as much but for me it does :D
[16:46] <dav> do you think that is the reason why blender don't works correctly with amd
[16:46] <adrian_1908> I can imagine
[16:46] <hetii> Is there some bug regarding booting ubuntu 15.10 over PXE ?
[16:46] <gangstalinux> yep
[16:46] <hetii> it`s hang on getting ip
[16:46] <rexwin_> how to find services that are turned on specific runlevels as chkconfig?
[16:47] <haasn> hetii: Does it hang while trying to PXE boot, or does it hang *after* it successfully booted, inside the Ubuntu system?
[16:49] <hetii> haasn: well I test it with pxelinux.0 and ipxe, both works the same way, it means, initrd and kernel is loaded then some scripts are called like nfs-premount, casper-preamont. after that I see that system try to get ip address for interface but it try it few times
[16:49] <hetii> and end with kernel panic
[16:52] <TJ-> hetii: when doing PXE boot I recall there is a kernel command-line parameter to have it adopt the IP address used by PXE.
[16:52] <dgarstang> I have a 65 character checksum here. What type of checksum would that be?
[16:52] <TJ-> dgarstang: depends what base it is in
[16:52] <haasn> hetii: Hmm, I don't recognize the issue. We boot a handful of Ubuntu 16.04 machines over PXE-initiated local boots, and I've also a few dozen Ubuntu 14.04 machines (loading linux/initrd remotely) and it's always worked fine
[16:53] <haasn> Either it's something Ubuntu 15.10 specific or something about your DHCPd / TFTP settings are wrong
[16:53] <haasn> Or your specific ethernet hardware is doing something odd
[16:54] <dgarstang> TJ-: Hm. any way to tell?
[16:54] <TJ-> hetii: does the kernel have "netboot=nfs nfsroot=..."
[16:55] <rexwin_> what id chkconfig equivalent?
[16:55] <majosa> hi, can anyone tell me where i can find "video_common.c" for edit? :D
[16:55] <TJ-> dgarstang: try the 'jacksum' utility
[16:56] <rexwin_> majosa, use the locate command after updatedb
[16:56] <TJ-> !info jacksum | dgarstang
[16:57] <majosa> i will do, thx
[16:57] <jlm> majosa: sudo find / -name 'video_common.c'
[16:57] <dgarstang> ubottu: kk
[16:57] <majosa> i try and next question come after i found it :D
[16:57] <haasn> dgarstang: Where did you get it? Can you paste it? Is it 65 hexadecimal digits or base64 or?
[16:58] <haasn> dgarstang: for reference 64 hex digits = 256 bits (e.g. sha256)
[17:01] <plasm0duck> hi
[17:04] <majosa> guys please help me i am learning but everytime something works there is a new problem, i got an error on motion with full hd resolution and find out that this seems the problem: https://sourceforge.net/p/motion/mailman/message/28579926/
[17:07] <ioria> majosa, how did you install motion ?
[17:08] <majosa> sudo apt-get install motion i think
[17:08] <ioria> majosa,  i think you have the binary not the source ... video_common.c is in the source not in the ubuntu package
[17:08] <majosa> i understand, i had to install it from source with edited video_common.c ?
[17:08] <hetii> TJ, haasn This is my configuration: http://pastebin.ca/3405666
[17:08] <ioria> majosa, if you want to edit that file, yes
[17:09] <majosa> thank you, helped me a lot, now i can go to the next step and learn how to install from source :D
[17:10] <ioria> majosa, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/motion/3.2.12-4
[17:10] <haasn> hetii: “ip=192.168.0.22:255.255.255.0:192.168.0.10:192.168.0.1:8.8.4.4:eth0:static”
[17:10] <haasn> The default device name is no longer eth0 in ubuntu 15.10
[17:10] <haasn> Maybe that's relevant?
[17:11] <haasn> you could try adding net.ifnames=0 on the kernel command line
[17:11] <TJ-> majosa: according to the motion changelog, that fix (removing modulo 16 calculations for libjpeg) has been committed and in use since early 2012
[17:12] <majosa> TJ: but i get this error, if i use 1280 x 720 its working... on 1920 x 1080 i get the modulo error
[17:12] <TJ-> majosa: on which version of Ubuntu?
[17:12] <hetii> haasn: I check that with static ip as well as just ip=dhcp with the same result
[17:12] <majosa> 14.04
[17:13] <majosa> sorry my english is quiet not good enough to explain, sry for that :/
[17:13] <TJ-> majosa: !info motion trusty
[17:13] <TJ-> !info motion trusty
[17:14] <majosa> brb with that info
[17:14] <hetii> haasn: btw you can look just at pxelinux.cfg/default where I test LABEL ubuntu 14.04_x86_64
[17:14] <hetii> and there I use just dhcp entry
[17:15] <TJ-> majosa: hmmm, according to the 14.04 changelog it may not have received that patch, but its hard to tell. I don't see a 'new upstream release' change that would cover it at least. http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/m/motion/motion_3.2.12-4/changelog
[17:15] <ioria> hi TJ-
[17:16] <TJ-> ioria: evening :)
[17:16] <ioria> TJ-  doing good ? ^_^
[17:18] <TJ-> ioria: been busy as a busy busy thing recently; slightly slower this weekend though
[17:18] <ioria> TJ-  i see , thanx to take time to come
[17:18] <ioria> by
[17:18] <majosa> oh my gosh, this stuff is really hard for me, i learn and understand but sometimes it took me days to understand like "motion" all is working fine now, but i cant get full hd resolution.
[17:19] <majosa> and now i figure out the problem but cant solve it by myself
[17:19] <TJ-> hetii: the only thing I wonder about is booting the .efi kernel image; I wonder if its config is different from the legacy build and misses something. Are you able to test with the legacy vmlinuz?
[17:20] <majosa> TJ: how do i install motion with this "patched" modulo 16 error ?
[17:20] <hetii> TJ-: I download now ubuntu 12.04 and will try with it
[17:21] <Krampus> I have a "Critical to Someone" Server running 14.10.  do-release-upgrade failed in a way that makes me think the update path to current no longer will work.  Anyone know what kind of pain I'm setting myself up for if I just change the soures and dist-upgrade?
[17:22] <TJ-> majosa: "apt-get source motion; sudo apt-get build-dep motion; cd motion-*/; # edit the file #; dch -i;  fakeroot debian/rules binary "
[17:22] <varaindemian> after trying to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 I can't login, I type my pass and after pressing enter I get back to the login screen. I also tried ctrl alt f1 and after logging from the terminal startx command doesn't work. Can I do something to revert the upgrade?
[17:23] <varaindemian> I also lost my internet connection
[17:23] <majosa> TJ: i will try
[17:23] <varaindemian> ping google.com doesn't work
[17:36] <RustyShackleford> I want to add android studio to the app launcher
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> RustyShackleford: Is there an application icon for it?
[17:37] <RustyShackleford> android studio generated a .desktop. When I use desktop-file-install, it wants to place it in /usr/share/applications
[17:37] <RustyShackleford> SonikkuAmerica: yeah there is
[17:37] <John> Hi all
[17:37] <RustyShackleford> anyway that just seems odd. It would add the launcher for all users
[17:37] <John> So im failing to update my ubuntu server via apt-get
[17:37] <John> Here the log: http://paste.ofcode.org/WpHZ9xgLRE4giZWqqQaEzn
[17:37] <RustyShackleford> I mean I'm the only user, but if there was another user Android Studio would appear in their launcher
[17:37] <RustyShackleford> but they don't have permission to run it
[17:38] <John> I think its telling me it cant connect to the update servers
[17:38] <SonikkuAmerica> RustyShackleford: Which is fine (given you trust the program), because that's just a smattering of .desktop files that it sticks in the launcher. If you don't trust it in the /usr directory, there's always ~/.local/share/applications/ as well
[17:38] <John> Any ideas?
[17:38] <SonikkuAmerica> RustyShackleford: Of course, ~/.local/share/applications/ will make it only appear in your user session
[17:39] <TJ-> John: the guest is running on AWS? looks like the instance doesn't have full network access
[17:39] <John> TJ-:  hm, perhaps some ports aren't fully open
[17:40] <majosa> TJ cd motion-*/; get me and error ? First two commads work
[17:41] <John> Hm, everything looks OK from the security group
[17:41] <John> all outgoing is allowed to any port
[17:42] <RustyShackleford> SonikkuAmerica: well the .deskotp files are already .local/share/applications
[17:42] <RustyShackleford> and they don't appear in the launcher
[17:42] <RustyShackleford> maybe I should restart?
[17:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Or at least log out and back in again, RustyShackleford
[17:43] <RustyShackleford> brb
[17:43] <John> I'll try rebooting
[17:43] <John> Turn it off and on again -__-
[17:44] <RustyShackleford> works more often than it should
[17:44] <RustyShackleford> might as well update before I reboot
[17:44] <John> Im going to take a snapshot because i always forget and always regret it
[17:44] <John> Just throwing that out there :P
[17:46] <John> http://paste.ofcode.org/P55GEjPCJGX4raZs3NRtqf
[17:46] <John> I almost rebooted my local machine -____-;
[17:46] <John> Today is not a good day for me :P
[17:46] <RustyShackleford> lol gotta love it when a restart fixes your problem
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> John: Try the main server
[17:47] <RustyShackleford> one more thing. I use irssi on a VPN
[17:47] <John> SonikkuAmerica: what do you mean? :)
[17:47] <RustyShackleford> is there a way to make a shortcut to log in via ssh?
[17:47] <RustyShackleford> I can never remember the IP address and my domain expired
[17:47] <SonikkuAmerica> John: Well, I think it's trying to reach an update server that it can't reach....
[17:47] <John> You want to ssh into something on login?
[17:47] <John> ah, ok
[17:48] <RustyShackleford> John: no, just to have a shortcut
[17:48] <John> Perhaps the update server needed to reboot too...
[17:48] <RustyShackleford> John: something like ./logintovps
[17:49] <John> ah right, yeah you can do all that from the connection manager
[17:49] <RustyShackleford> I guess I just make a bash script. And add it where?
[17:49] <John> Wait, sorry, vpS not vpN
[17:49] <majosa> oh my gosh, my ip is blocked by ubuntu archive
[17:50] <John> Wherever you like - i would recommend putting it in /home/your_username as "vps"
[17:50] <llutz> RustyShackleford:  create a simple bash script "~/bin/ssh-to"
[17:50] <John> dont worry about the sh
[17:50] <John> chmod +x vps
[17:50] <llutz> RustyShackleford: contains just " ssh `basename $0` $* "
[17:50] <John> inside it put "#!/bin/bash" on the first line, then below that your vps ssh command
[17:51] <wafflejock> RustyShackleford: so long as the bash script is somewhere in your path and marked executable you can run it anywhere
[17:51] <llutz> RustyShackleford: then create symlinks  named like hosts in your ~/.ssh/config   "ln -s  ssh-to  myhost1"
[17:51] <llutz> RustyShackleford: login with just calling "myhost1"
[17:51] <llutz> done
[17:51] <wafflejock> personally have a ~/scripts folder I added to my path and just add little scripts in there for connecting to VPSes
[17:52] <John> gah, it just hangs on 100% [Connecting to us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com (54.144.108.75)] [Connecti
[17:53] <John> and 54.144.108.75 seems to be up and working
[17:53] <wafflejock> John: you open port 22 on the firewall on AWS it looks like?
[17:53] <John> yeah, sure - for ssh
[17:53] <wafflejock> John: you need to have the firewall rules configured through their web interface to allow SSH access
[17:54] <majosa> TJ: ok its working i edit the file
[17:54] <John> i can ssh in, i just cant apt-get update
[17:54] <wafflejock> ah okay
[17:54] <John> Sorry, i should have pasted the full error log
[17:54] <John> http://paste.ofcode.org/WpHZ9xgLRE4giZWqqQaEzn
[17:57] <wafflejock> John: strange I have an AWS server using the same repos and it's working okay here
[17:57] <wafflejock> John: I don't see "In Release" on any of mine though what's that about?
[17:57] <John> No idea :/
[17:58] <John> I messed around with some things once to get Neo4j running
[17:58] <John> but i dont remember where
[17:58] <wafflejock> yeah can see the PPAs there it's trying to fetch from but seems it's failing on the AWS update server connection not that PPA
[17:59] <John> ah, ok
[17:59] <wafflejock> well or rather it fails on both
[17:59] <mojtaba> Hi, I have connected my laptop using cable to the internet and I am trying to create a new access point. But the problem is that after connecting to my laptop, my phone does not get any IP. Do you know what could be wrong?
[18:00] <wafflejock> John: any sort of network config changes recently that you're aware of?
[18:00] <majosa> TJ: dch -i;  fakeroot debian/rules binary " last two commands get me an error
[18:00] <John> um, well, i installed OpenVPN recently-ish
[18:00] <John> well, months ago, but meh
[18:01] <John> that involved ufw
[18:01] <wafflejock> John: have you updated since then? might be related to that, found this post with some generic googling http://askubuntu.com/questions/164169/unable-to-connect-error-with-apt-get
[18:01] <John> but sudo ufw status returns Status: inactive
[18:02] <mojtaba> Hi, I have connected my laptop using cable to the internet and I am trying to create a new access point. But the problem is that after connecting to my laptop, my phone does not get any IP. Do you know what could be wrong?
[18:02] <nemesis> Drone`,  marzio:
[18:02] <wafflejock> John: yeah wonder if it has something to do with it trying  use the VPN connection or some bad network adapter when it's doing the apt-get update for some reason
[18:03] <wafflejock> John: maybe check out ifconfig, I'm not too privvy on the details of managing the different interfaces but think you can use ifup/ifdown to turn interfaces on or off... imagine you want to be pretty careful here and get a snapshot before you start messing with network config though so you don't lock yourself out completely
[18:04] <John> Changing my sources.list seems to give me a different server IP, but same issue it looks like
[18:04] <John> yeah, haha, good point :)
[18:04] <hetii> TJ, haasn this is what I discover, when use image from  ubuntu12 under  real box I get kernel sync panic cause he cannot mount rootfs, in this same box but with virtualbox where I have bridge with real network interface ubuntu 12 ask me to provide a name for disk1
[18:05] <hetii> I have no idea what`s going on with my setup but only archlinux is able to boot.
[18:05] <John> hm
[18:05] <hetii> ubuntu12/14/15/linuxmint/ are not able to mount root fs or stock on getting dhcp ip
[18:06] <hetii> (even when provide static it  still drop into kernel panic)
[18:06] <John> wait, er, maybe its because i was screwing around with the MTU
[18:06] <richard_> name is richard
[18:06] <John> Here's my ifconfig deets http://paste.ofcode.org/RD5bDZm6q8XMBhQB7JV9hi
[18:06] <John> Does that look similar to yours wafflejock?
[18:07] <richard_> anyone find casino card games, black jack or slots?
[18:07] <John> lol
[18:08] <wafflejock> John: yeah I mean we're in different regions so the IP ranges are different and all but it looks fine for that one... no other interfaces showing up when you do that?
[18:08] <John> "Names Richard. Black Jack's ma game"
[18:08] <John> Yeah there's also lo but meh
[18:08] <wafflejock> ya
[18:08] <John> http://paste.ofcode.org/jjYTeEqRVKu2Btt7Cahtfn
[18:08] <richard_> I'm sorry - did not introduce myself correctly - my name is richard...
[18:09] <richard_> John - how do I get black jack?
[18:13] <wafflejock> John: yeah nothing scewy looking in any of that really would maybe try disabling OpenVPN temporarily or if that doesn't work see if you can find the MTU change an see if that's effecting it
[18:14] <dm_comp> hi, why isn't ProjectLibre in Ubuntu Software Center? (15.10)
[18:15] <John> Yeah so i remember now - i was messing around with the MTU on the vpn, not the eth0
[18:15] <John> And i turned the vpn off and nothing changed :/
[18:15] <John> Plus, the VPN works, so i think it was all just a red herring
[18:15] <wafflejock> John: yeah worth checking though would be an easy win if that were it...
[18:15] <John> however, i was having an unrelated issue on the VPN (MTU issues), which i now fixed, haha
[18:16] <wafflejock> John: not sure where to look next :)
[18:16] <John> Apparently the server needs to accept ICMP things to help with the VPN, which i just learned and activated
[18:16] <John> Is there a verbose mode for apt-get update?
[18:17] <wafflejock> good question dunno
[18:17] <John> I mean, i can ping the server its trying to talk to from the server just fine -_-
[18:17] <John> i will investigate!
[18:17] <John> To the manual pages!
[18:17] <wafflejock> John: ah yeah -V
[18:17] <wafflejock> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/raring/man8/apt-get.8.html
[18:17] <John> aw, awesome
[18:21] <lololol> my computer broke: Im now on "initramfs" and I dont know what to do: I have 3 kernels, I tried them all and all took me here
[18:22] <lololol> busybox v1.22.1 built in shell (ash)
[18:22] <tisken> hi to all
[18:22] <lololol> enter help for a list of built in commands
[18:22] <tisken> how are you?
[18:22] <matthewkim> tisken: thanks how are you
[18:22] <tisken> im fine thanks
[18:23] <tisken> im from spain
[18:23] <lololol> before this happened I had very suddenly permission issues, not being able to save to directories where I usually save without problems
[18:23] <matthewkim> tisken: hola, como estas (only one sentence I know)
[18:24] <matthewkim> :D
[18:24] <truerock> Yo no comprendo nada :D
[18:24] <tisken> muy bien
[18:24] <tisken> very well
[18:24] <truerock> Indeed
[18:24] <wafflejock> hah Hi tisken if you're looking for general chat join #ubuntu-offtopic, believe there's an #ubuntu-es as well if you have any #ubuntu support questions though this is the place
[18:25] <tisken> ok waff
[18:25] <tisken> i will do it
[18:26] <majosa> TJ: thank you so much, all is working perfect now :D
[18:26] <wafflejock> lololol: what have you been trying so far? have you tried booting with a live USB to see if you can access the filesystem?
[18:27] <k1l> dm_comp: should there be an package?
[18:27] <lololol> wafflejock: not much, I reseted the laptop 3 times and tried the 3 kernels... I have no idea what to do now
[18:28] <wafflejock> lololol: just did a search this might be relevant though I've never personally encountered this issue so not sure http://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox
[18:30] <wafflejock> lololol: would try making/using a boot USB or DVD or whatever though to get into a live environment so you can diagnose from there... might be able to do it all in the busy box shell too but typically easier to fix things from a live environment so nothing in the main system needs to be mounted (in case you have to do something that fixes the filesystem)
[18:30] <cajuntechie> Hey everyone. I asked this in the #mutt channel but they sent me here. Is there a way to install mutt without installing Postfix? I'm going to use a remote SMTP server for delivery and don't need Postfix.
[18:31] <hacker78yu> ox
[18:31] <hacker78yu> #backbox
[18:32] <dm_comp> k1l: i don't know. there is a .deb on sourceforge (I just used that)
[18:33] <lololol> why do I have a bad superblock wafflejock ?
[18:33] <Ben64> cajuntechie: probably "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install mutt"
[18:34] <k1l> dm_comp: then tell the project to maintain a package in debian and ubuntu repos. then there will be packages in ubuntu :)
[18:34] <wafflejock> lololol: that's another good question if that's actually the root cause of the problem I wonder if it's a sign of HDD failure, would be good to probably run any SMART diagnostics tools to get the info from the drive about failures to see if it should be replaced... probably want to be sure that's the issue though
[18:35] <John> Seems that -V doesnt work with update
[18:35] <wafflejock> lololol: some nice instructions here on checking HDD and memory in a live environment http://askubuntu.com/questions/317241/can-i-use-ubuntu-to-diagnose-hard-drive-or-ram-problems-in-windows
[18:36] <John> gah, i dont know. Maybe if i just wait it will go away on its own
[18:36] <John> I cant install anything either, but everything currently on the machine seems to be working
[18:38] <dm_comp> k1l: debian might have license issues since they have some 3ed party license agreement
[18:42] <bray90820> Can someone help me here I have  a bash script here and every time it's run /media/backup opens up
[18:42] <bray90820> If it's possible I would like for it not to open
[18:42] <bray90820> http://pastebin.com/eQBZM200
[18:42] <Waheedi> is there a way to set noproc from upstart script in addition to nofile limit?
[18:44] <wafflejock> bray90820: what do you mean by "opens up" you end up there after running the script in the terminal?
[18:44] <wafflejock> bray90820: or like it opens a file browser at some point?
[18:45] <Waheedi> this looks like what i want http://linux.die.net/man/2/setrlimit
[18:46] <bray90820> Waheedi: it opens in a graphical environment
[18:46] <bray90820> wrong ing
[18:46] <bray90820> wafflejock:
[18:46] <wafflejock> hmm ok
[18:46] <dorelyo> After upgrading from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 I ca not login. After entering my password the login screen appears again. I tried ctrl alt f1, I logged in, but 'startx' command failed to run. I don't know how to access my Desktop Enviroment. Can I revert the upgrade somehow?
[18:46] <bray90820> wafflejock: How would I have it not open up
[18:46] <Ben64> dorelyo: join #ubuntu+1 for support with 16.04
[18:47] <wafflejock> bray90820: I am just guessing here but maybe the mount is causing the GUI to auto open on mount
[18:47] <bray90820> wafflejock: Well when I run each command separately it works but when I run ur as a bash script it ends up opening
[18:48] <Waheedi> I get this error when trying: limit noproc 10000 10000  in upstart .conf --> stop: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist
[18:48] <bray90820> wafflejock: I don't want it to open
[18:49] <wafflejock> bray90820: yeah this is the only line I would think could trigger that to happen "ssh root@192.168.1.8 mount -o ro /dev/server/backup '/media/backup'" not really sure how to test that theory though, but know that cd and rsync and all have no graphical component and won't trigger anything but mounting a location does sometimes cause the window to automatically pop-up (like when it automounts a USB which is useful)
[18:51] <bray90820> wafflejock: Your Probably right and note that I am currently testing this stuff without SSH but it also happens with SSH
[18:51] <mish41> i just installed ubuntu. i'm a bit clueless as how to make sure i have the best video card drivers installed. from the snappyness of the graphics while i browse the internet it seems slow. i have an ati radeon hd 4870. do i start by looking at what package managers have?
[18:51] <wafflejock> bray90820: looks like you can disable it completely but not sure on a per mount basis http://askubuntu.com/questions/191527/disable-auto-opening-nautilus-window-after-auto-mount
[18:52] <bray90820> wafflejock: I think that link will actually work for me since I am not really using this compute for much more then a home server like once or twice a month I might actually use it with a screen
[18:56] <cofo> Hello all
[18:56] <hilx> mish41, start 'Additional Drivers' Application and let it search for drivers
[18:56] <cofo> Any testdisk experts?
[18:56] <grirgz> hi
[18:57] <mish41> hilx: when i look at software & updates -> additional drivers, it just says no additional drivers available
[18:58] <k1l> mish41: what is the output of "lsb_release -d"
[18:58] <mish41> k1l: ubuntu 14.04.4 lts
[18:59] <Bashing-om> mish41: AMD droped support for that card a few years back, The only viable option is to run the open source driver ' radeon' . See that it is installed and loaded with terminal command ' sudo lshw -C display ' . In the configuration line do you see " radeon " ?
[18:59] <grirgz> i'm trying to make multicast working in an ad-hoc ethernet network, but on one computer i don't receive the responses from the other when doing "ping 224.0.0.1", do you know what could be wrong ?
[18:59] <k1l> mish41: amd dopped support for the old 4xxx cards
[18:59] <John> gah, i have a feeling this is one of those errors that will be with me forever until I move all the data on this VM to another
[19:00] <John> How do i 'unselect' packages in ubuntu?
[19:00] <k1l> mish41: so you dont have a fglrx anymore. you need to stick to the open source kernel driver
[19:00] <ioria> http://askubuntu.com/questions/471609/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-drivers-on-ubuntu-14-04
[19:00] <John> Like, i have wiped my sources.list to be default, and removed everything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[19:00] <k1l> john unselect? you mean deinstall?
[19:00] <John> I dont want to deinstall, well maybe i do
[19:01] <John> I dont know -whatever I need to do to get apt-get update working again
[19:01] <k1l> john: for removing ppa you better use ppa-purge
[19:01] <k1l> !ppa-purge | john
[19:01] <John> ah, ok
[19:01] <John> Is there a way to see what ppa's are currently being used?
[19:01] <k1l> john: maybe "apt-cache policy"
[19:01] <mish41> Bashing-om: when I do that command i get configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[19:01] <John> I dont have ppa purge :(
[19:02] <John> apt-cache policy gave me: http://paste.ofcode.org/wphSV4R2WNmyrMss3Pstw4
[19:02] <k1l> mish41: dont run any commands. read the first answer!
[19:03] <John> Does anything there look abnormal?
[19:03] <k1l> john. talk to your hoster if you have issues with the repos they offer you
[19:04] <abdullayev851> #join
[19:04] <abdullayev851> #join wikipedia
[19:04] <abdullayev851> join #wikipedia
[19:04] <mish41> k1l: I get that ATI doesn't officially support this card anymore, which means they don't provide a driver. I guess my question is conceptual, how does one figure out which other parties make drivers for a video card? Does each distro have a driver for each video card?
[19:04] <k1l> abdullayev851: "/join #channel"
[19:04] <LuckyTux> Hey guys, i hace quick question about drivers
[19:04] <LuckyTux> http://i.imgur.com/ECdxiXr.png
[19:04] <LuckyTux> Which one should I use?
[19:06] <k1l> mish41: you have 3 choices: use the amd driver (fglrx), use the open source driver in the linux kernel (radeon) or make your own driver (i doubt anyone can do this). so since amd doesnt make fglrx anymore for your card your only choice is the kernel driver. which is already working since you see somehting on your monitor :)
[19:06] <k1l> mish41: what is the output of "uname -a"?
[19:06] <wafflejock> John: pretty much looks the same as here a few extra repos we both have aside, like k1l said you might want to see if you can file a support bug with AWS to see if they can point you in the right direction or let you know if they have some issue with some part of the repos they're hosting for these images
[19:07] <mish41> k1l: Linux mish4-desktop 4.2.0-27-generic #32~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 22 15:32:26 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:07] <TJ-> LuckyTux: "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" will do the job for you :)
[19:07] <k1l> mish41: ok, that is already the 15.10 backports kernel.
[19:08] <xdevnull> Hello people, How to create shortcut of file.sh
[19:08] <xdevnull> I'm running that via terminal always
[19:08] <xdevnull> Is there any alternatives?
[19:08] <mish41> k1l: so essentially i have the most up to date radeon driver (provided by ubuntu) for the video card?
[19:08] <wafflejock> John: seems to be working from my AWS machine that's also using http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/multiverse amd64 Packages and the like
[19:09] <davido> @xdevnull so how would you like to be able to run it?
[19:09] <k1l> mish41: yes.
[19:09] <xdevnull> davido just like shortcut and double click
[19:09] <mish41> k1l: thanks
[19:09] <xdevnull> rather than ./name.sh from terminal
[19:09] <wafflejock> John: AWS may be able to get you more info if you get them the instance id or whatever they need though to tell you if something is wrong with that particular box or network segment or give some steps to diagnose
[19:11]  * aris1 
[19:11]  * aris1 
[19:12] <hilx> xdevnull, https://askubuntu.com/questions/299052/how-to-execute-sh-script-from-a-desktop-shortcut
[19:13] <Sonderblade> any idea on how to solve this when updating initramfs? cp: ”/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf”: file or directory not found
[19:13] <xdevnull> hilx, Thanks boss
[19:14] <mish41> k1l: is it known whether the kernel video card drivers are much worse than official ones? I notice when i browse google maps its a bit sluggish. so not sure who to blame
[19:16] <k1l> mish41: the open source drivers are a lot of reverse engeneered drivers. so sometimes they are a bit worse than the fglrx.
[19:18] <m000gle> Is there any way to lock the screen in Ubuntu 15.10, without the Unity Greeter causing the screensaver to activate and the displays to sleep?
[19:18] <m000gle> Even with power settings set to never sleep or turn off display, and with caffeine running/activated which should also inhibit this, the Unity Greeter seems to simply ignore the setting.
[19:19] <xdevnull> hilx, i've added .desktop file with [Desktop Entry] but i get error
[19:19] <xdevnull> there was error running application
[19:19] <xdevnull> launching *
[19:19] <wafflejock> xdevnull: you have the full path in the exec line?
[19:19] <xdevnull> yes sir
[19:20] <wafflejock> xdevnull: ah here's a quick work around to log why it failed to launch http://askubuntu.com/questions/436999/how-do-i-diagnose-there-was-an-error-launching-the-application
[19:23] <ioria> xdevnull,  it depends also on the script ... what it does and what it needs to run ....if works in terminal try Exec= gnome-terminal -x /path/file.sh
[19:23] <xdevnull> ioria. it's phpstorm ide. i usually run it via ./phpstorm.sh
[19:24] <wafflejock> xdevnull: ah PHPstorm automatically made the .desktop files for me let me see if I can find them here
[19:26] <ioria> xdevnull,  from its folder  , right ?
[19:26] <wafflejock> xdevnull: here's what my stuff looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/15428298/ I might have manually extracted phpstorm to that /opt/ folder though I forget really but it did generate the desktop entry for me
[19:26] <xdevnull> ioria, Yes cd phpstorm/bin then ./phpstorm.sh
[19:27] <xdevnull> wafflejock it's in my Downloads folder :P
[19:27] <wafflejock> xdevnull: just showing the desktop entry there then the output of ls -al /usr/bin/phpstorm that shows it's linked
[19:27] <wafflejock> xdevnull: yeah mine was there for a while :)
[19:27] <xdevnull> Can't i just keep it in DownloadS? or that will cause problem?
[19:28] <wafflejock> xdevnull: it's okay I just wanted to be "cleaner" about it /opt seemed like a reasonable place
[19:28] <wafflejock> xdevnull: I ran it from Downloads for like a year though I don't think there's any issue about where it's really at
[19:29] <ioria> xdevnull,  maybe you need a little script that cd in there (phpstorm/bin/), and then executes ./phpstorm   , put the first in the .desktop (make the .desktop executable)
[19:29] <xdevnull> ioria, it is
[19:29] <xdevnull> wait i'll pastebinit my file
[19:29] <wafflejock> xdevnull: yeah think you just want the full path to phpstorm.sh in there instead of trying to cd in the exec line
[19:30] <xdevnull> How can i pastebin the deskptop file via pastebinit
[19:30] <xdevnull> pastebinit grep ?
[19:30] <wafflejock> xdevnull: cat /path/to/file | pastebinit
[19:31] <k1l> that kills a kitten ;)
[19:31] <k1l> just "pastebinit /path/to/file"
[19:31] <wafflejock> heh sorry haha forgot you can just pass it a file
[19:31] <xdevnull> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15428347/
[19:31] <wafflejock> xdevnull: hmm yeah so long as /home/devnull/Downloads/PhpStorm-143.1770/bin/phpstorm.sh is executable that looks like it should be fine
[19:32] <bray90820> wafflejock: The link you sent me works perfectly
[19:32] <bray90820> Thanks
[19:32] <wafflejock> bray90820: cool no problem
[19:32] <wafflejock> Terminal should be false I think
[19:33] <wafflejock> xdevnull: ^
[19:39] <xdevnull> wafflejock, same
[19:40] <wafflejock> xdevnull: hmm yeah if running the .sh file directly works fine would try that post about wrapping the call in another script that logs the errors to a file to see what's happening
[19:40] <wafflejock> xdevnull: maybe some environment variable/path issues or something
[19:40] <abh0rt> Hello
[19:40] <ominomi> :)
[19:41] <xdevnull> wafflejock, I would love if u can expain to me the first step. I'm newbie sry :/
[19:42] <ioria> xdevnull, try with an %f at end   ... Exec="/home/devnull/Downloads/PhpStorm-143.1770/bin/phpstorm.sh"   %f
[19:43] <xdevnull> same thing
[19:44] <wafflejock> xdevnull: no problem, basically what that post is asking you to do is write a new bash script (this is just a text file that starts with #!/usr/bin/env bash ) include that text they have there except you just replace the /path/to/yourapp part with the call to the .sh file you have in the exec line the 2>~/myapp.log part will take any error output (2) and send it to that log file
[19:46] <wafflejock> xdevnull: basically save this text in a file http://paste.ubuntu.com/15428499/ lets say it's ~/testWrapper.sh, then run chmod a+x ~/testWrapper.sh, and change the Desktop Entry file to point at the ~/testWrapper.sh (would probably use the full path just in case it doesn't expand the ~ so like /home/myuser/testWrapper.sh)
[19:47] <wafflejock> xdevnull: when you run the desktop entry then you'll end up with a file in your home folder ~/myapp.log and it should say what actually errored out
[19:50] <xdevnull> oh
[19:51] <xdevnull> wafflejock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15428570/
[19:57] <wafflejock> xdevnull: well weird...
[19:58] <wafflejock> xdevnull: maybe it's not using the right version of the JRE/JVM or something but it's still not entirely clear from the error, at least something to google on
[19:58] <wafflejock> xdevnull: you could also just go through the install again pretty sure it asks during install if you want it to make a desktop entry, pretty sure I said yes then went in and changed it :)
[19:59] <piero> i
[19:59] <piero> hi
[20:02] <Sonderblade> can you get dpkg or apt to install all the files from a package without running pre and postinst scripts?
[20:05] <xdevnull> wafflejock, I downloaded it as zip an unzipeed it and access that via bin dir
[20:05] <xdevnull> xD
[20:05] <wafflejock> xdevnull: yeah think there's like a setup.sh or install.sh in there too though one sec let me see. I recall running some GUI install step
[20:07] <wafflejock> xdevnull: it may have just been a first run thing I see this in the Linux install instructions in the base of the stuff I extracted http://paste.ubuntu.com/15428792/
[20:08] <czman> hi
[20:10] <czman> it is my first time to use irc ^_^
[20:11] <wafflejock> xdevnull: you can probably move that ~/.WebIDE folder to ~/WebIDE_bak or whatever it is in order to get it to do the first run stuff again, but can't find anything that definitively says that in their docs this is the closest I see https://www.jetbrains.com/help/phpstorm/2016.1/importing-phpstorm-settings-on-first-launch.html?origin=old_help
[20:11] <xdevnull> wafflejock but seems it's not a problem with phpstorm it self
[20:11] <xdevnull> cuz phpstorm running from bin dir
[20:11] <wafflejock> xdevnull: well it's with the way the launcher here is configured for sure but saying you can have it create the launcher for you
[20:12] <wafflejock> xdevnull: seems from the error it's probably not using the JRE that's bundled with PHPStorm for some reason but I'm not positive on that
[20:12] <xdevnull> Anyways, Thanks
[20:12] <xdevnull> Well keep using .sh :P
[20:12] <xdevnull> no worries
[20:12] <ioria> xdev i tried your .desktop  with another program and it wasn't working .... i found extra characters in it (invisible=spaces) that have to removed  to make it work. I think depends on the page where you copied it from
[20:12] <xdevnull> I apperciate your help. Thank you alot
[20:12] <wafflejock> xdevnull: heh yup sorry we couldn't get it figured out
[20:14] <xdevnull> ioria, <3
[20:14] <xdevnull> ioria & wafflejock, Thanks both of you <3. It's now working
[20:14] <xdevnull> seems i copied empty spaces as ioria said.
[20:14] <ioria> xdevnull, yay
[20:14] <wafflejock> oh sweet
[20:14] <wafflejock> win!
[20:15] <xdevnull> We should change "win" word :P cuz it's remind me with windows
[20:15] <xdevnull> xD
[20:15] <wafflejock> strange error too though
[20:15] <wafflejock> hah
[20:17] <xdevnull> ءي
[20:17] <ioria> ia
[20:17] <xdevnull> xD thx again
[20:18] <ioria> tafaddal
[20:18] <avalon_> win=!loose
[20:18] <avalon_> ;]
[20:25] <rangelov310> hi guys : )
[20:26] <hello> hello
[20:31] <czman> python or c++ ?develop a ubuntu suru style app
[20:38] <wafflejock> czman: what is suru?
[20:40] <czman> ubuntu new design language
[20:40] <Guest4214> with debhelper there is a goal of dh_usrlocal. I am failing to get past it because it is failing to delete a directory in usr/local
[20:40] <Guest4214> anyone come across this problem?
[20:41] <wafflejock> czman: appears to be Qt/QML based so think C++ is there a way to write Qt apps with Python?
[20:42] <czman> pyqt?
[20:43] <wafflejock> oh huh
[20:43] <Guest4214> ok
[20:43] <mcphail> czman: you might want to have a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/ where there are some tutorials on developing ubuntu apps
[20:44] <czman> mcphail: ok thanks
[20:44] <mcphail> czman: the #ubuntu-app-devel channel can be very helpful during European working hours, as well
[20:46] <czman> mcphail: sadly,i`m in china
[20:47] <mcphail> czman: never mind. You can leave your irc client idling in the channel, and get your replies when you wake up :)
[20:51] <colaman> hey wie kann ich xchat einstellen
[20:53] <genii> !de | colaman
[20:53] <czman> mcphhail: it's better this way
[20:53] <colaman> thanks
[20:55] <czman> how @ a person in irc client? i am using polari
[20:56] <genii> czman: Don't bother, just use their name
[20:56] <genii> czman: Their client will highlight it for them
[21:02] <czman> genli: ok
[21:27] <lee_g750jm> hello all
[21:31] <hadeswatch3r> lee_g750jm hello
[21:32] <lee_g750jm> hello hadeswatch3r
[21:37] <lee_g750jm> so how long has most of you used ubuntu  for
[21:38] <hadeswatch3r> Warty Warthog for me.
[21:39] <hadeswatch3r> off and on .. until present 16.04.
[21:39] <crosswit> .
[21:39] <anonymous_> yeah
[21:39] <crosswit> yeah
[21:40] <circ-user-RcYrq> hardy hedgehog
[21:40] <Frenchanon> yolo
[21:40] <lee_g750jm> 14.04 LTS
[21:41] <hadeswatch3r> Hoary Hedgehog... you mean..
[21:41] <circ-user-RcYrq> right
[21:41] <lee_g750jm> yeah i like 14.0.4
[21:41] <lee_g750jm> lol
[21:43] <lee_g750jm> right now this will be my laptop  os
[21:44] <lee_g750jm> windows 10   is no more
[21:44] <lee_g750jm> compiz +emerald
[21:47] <abh0rt> ugh, windows 10 is terrible..good choice on ditching it :)
[21:47] <lee_g750jm> lol
[21:48] <abh0rt> imo, 7 was the last good working windows
[21:48] <hadeswatch3r> I still have windows 10..
[21:48] <hadeswatch3r> games...
[21:49] <luckwolf> windows 10 is bad
[21:49] <lee_g750jm> bad as in good or  just  bad
[21:49] <hadeswatch3r> Agreed... Windows10 NSA edition.
[21:49] <hadeswatch3r> lol.
[21:49] <abh0rt> Windows in general is just bad
[21:49] <kryten> !ot
[21:49] <abh0rt> haha, nsa edition..ohhhh so true
[21:49] <Mneuro> I had a windows 10 partition around until this week.  Windows 10 just has too many bugs and issues to even bother with it anymore
[21:51] <luckwolf> is very hard repair the partition of  system in windows
[21:51] <luckwolf> 10
[21:51] <gr33nbits> heias need some help, configured a vpn on a vm and now need to copy the /ovpn-client from the vmubuntu server to the host
[21:51] <gr33nbits> what's the best way to do it?
[21:52] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: use scp
[21:52] <gr33nbits> do i need to do anything on the host?
[21:53] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Yes - it has to be running SSH server.
[21:53] <gr33nbits> okis, i will try
[21:53] <gr33nbits> thanks
[21:53] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Can you SSH in to the host?
[21:53] <gr33nbits> never done it
[21:54] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: If the answer is "Yes", then SSH is installed.
[21:54] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: You can test it with: ssh <host_ip_or_name>
[21:54] <gr33nbits> yes it's installed
[21:54] <gr33nbits> oh maybe ufw i probably need to disable and restart and try again
[21:55] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: If that works, you can copy your file over using: scp whatever.ovpn host_ip_address:/home/[username]/
[21:55] <gr33nbits> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.3 port 22: Connection refused
[21:55] <gr33nbits> ufw i will disable and restart
[21:56] <gr33nbits> thanks a bunch though
[21:56] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: No need to restart. Just turn off the firewall with: sudo ufw disable (I think).
[21:57] <gr33nbits> let me try
[21:57] <gr33nbits> still refusing connection
[21:57] <mnemonic_> Can you access the host at all?
[21:57] <mnemonic_> How are you accessing the host?
[21:58] <gr33nbits> ssh ip
[21:58] <gr33nbits> trying on the host
[21:58] <mnemonic_> No, I mean, do you already have access to a terminal on the host?
[21:58] <gr33nbits> no
[21:59] <mnemonic_> So how were you attempting to turn off the firewall on the host?
[21:59] <gr33nbits> yes was trying ssh on the host
[21:59] <gr33nbits> not on the vm server
[21:59] <mnemonic_> Do you have access to the VM server?
[22:00] <gr33nbits> how can i try
[22:00] <gr33nbits> using the server ip?
[22:00] <mnemonic_> What are you using? VirtualBox?
[22:00] <gr33nbits> yes virtualbox and ubuntu 14.04 server
[22:00] <mnemonic_> So the VM guest is 14.04 server?
[22:01] <gr33nbits> yes the host is 14.04 too
[22:01] <mnemonic_> So do you have a window in which you can type things in to the guest?
[22:01] <gr33nbits> i just don't want to install desktop on the server machine
[22:01] <mnemonic_> You don't have to.
[22:01] <gr33nbits> yes i do, i configured the vpn server already and i think it's fine
[22:02] <mnemonic_> You have access to the guest terminal, right?
[22:02] <gr33nbits> yes
[22:02] <mnemonic_> In the guest terminal, type in: sudo ufw disable
[22:03] <gr33nbits> sudo ufw status verbose on the guest and it's inactive
[22:03] <gr33nbits> didn't installed yet
[22:03] <mnemonic_> Okay, so no Ubuntu firewall is installed.
[22:03] <gr33nbits> on the host only
[22:03] <gr33nbits> not the vm guest ubuntu server no
[22:04] <gr33nbits> and on the host i have ufw disable
[22:04] <mnemonic_> On the guest, type in: netstat -plnt | grep 22
[22:05] <mnemonic_> What does it return?
[22:05] <gr33nbits> with sudo netstat -plnt | grep 22
[22:05] <gr33nbits> nothing on return
[22:06] <gr33nbits> so guest door 22 is open?
[22:06] <mnemonic_> It's not a "door", it's the standard SSH port.
[22:06] <gr33nbits> oh okis
[22:06] <mnemonic_> On the guest, what do you get when you enter: ssh 127.0.0.1
[22:06] <gr33nbits> english not main sorry
[22:07] <gr33nbits> connection refused
[22:07] <mnemonic_> Okay, so you don't have openSSH server installed. You will have to install it.
[22:07] <gr33nbits> ah ok
[22:07] <gr33nbits> so i need on both
[22:07] <mnemonic_> What do you mean by "both"?
[22:08] <gr33nbits> can i mount a pendrive on ubuntu server and cp the directory?
[22:08] <mnemonic_> Yes, you can.
[22:08] <gr33nbits> that would be much easier
[22:09] <mnemonic_> Although not sure about your VM guest, and whether or not is will detect a USB device.
[22:09] <gr33nbits> lsusb?
[22:09] <mnemonic_> Personally, I'd install SSH server on your guest: sudo apt-get install tasksel
[22:09] <mnemonic_> Then run tasksel on the guest using: sudo tasksel
[22:09] <mnemonic_> Then select "SSH Server" (something like that).
[22:10] <gr33nbits> ok
[22:11] <gr33nbits> done
[22:12] <mnemonic_> Once done, you can copy any file from host to guest using: scp filename.ext guest_ip_address:/destination/path
[22:13] <gr33nbits> so on the host i don't need to install ssh server gotcha
[22:13] <wafflejock> mnemonic_: needs authorized_keys on the guest no?
[22:13] <gr33nbits> port 22:connection refused
[22:13] <gr33nbits> ls
[22:14] <mnemonic_> What do you get on the guest when you run: sudo netstat -plnt
[22:14] <mnemonic_> Can you see anything listening on port 22?
[22:14] <mnemonic_> It will look something like this: tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      972/sshd
[22:14] <gr33nbits> yes on the guest i can
[22:15] <gr33nbits> oh man don't tell me i need to configure the vpn again
[22:15] <mnemonic_> Were you prompted for a username and password?
[22:15] <gr33nbits> cause i installed the ssh server
[22:15] <gr33nbits> you mean on the guest or the host?
[22:15] <wafflejock> gr33nbits: when you try to scp from the host machine to the guest machine are you prompted for credentials?
[22:16] <gr33nbits> ah the host
[22:16] <mnemonic_> On the host. From the host, when you tried to scp the key over, were you prompted for a username and password?
[22:16] <gr33nbits> no i am not
[22:16] <mnemonic_> What is the IP address of your guest?
[22:16] <mnemonic_> (I'm assuming it's a local IP address)
[22:16] <gr33nbits> 10.0.2.15
[22:16] <gr33nbits> yes
[22:17] <wafflejock> gr33nbits: it should prompt you for a password to login if you aren't using key based login and have a public key in the authorized_keys on the guest that corresponds to your private key on the host
[22:17] <mnemonic_> What do you get when (from the host) you enter: ssh 10.0.2.15
[22:17] <gr33nbits> i don't and i don't get a prompt
[22:17] <gr33nbits> mnemonic_, it connects
[22:18] <mnemonic_> Cool. So you can SSH in to the guest from the host?
[22:18] <gr33nbits> wafflejock, it's doens't prompt me
[22:19] <wafflejock> gr33nbits: well does it connect with ssh from the host to the guest like mnemonic_ asked?
[22:19] <mnemonic_> If you can SSH in to the guest from the host, then you should be able to scp a file from the host to the guest.
[22:19] <wafflejock> ^^
[22:20] <gr33nbits> 1s
[22:20] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: You now have to 'exit' from the SSH session (or open a new terminal, to make sure you're on the right machine).
[22:21] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Then, 'cd' in to the directory where the key is.
[22:21] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Then: scp yourkey.ovpn 10.0.2.15:/tmp
[22:21] <mauXDD> hola
[22:21] <mnemonic_> (or where ever you want to copy it to)
[22:22] <nasker> Hello kind people :D
[22:22] <pat_> hi nasker
[22:22] <wafflejock> hello and hello
[22:22] <mauXDD> hola nasker
[22:22] <nasker> how are you guys ? everything good ?
[22:23] <mauXDD> habla en español
[22:23] <wafflejock> nasker: not bad, got some ubuntu problem?
[22:23] <wafflejock> !es | mauXDD
[22:24] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: If you do not want to use the terminal, another option you have is to open up Nautilus (the file browser), press CTRL + L, then in the address bar enter: sftp://10.0.2.15
[22:24] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: You can then just "drag 'n drop" files.
[22:25] <gr33nbits> it's first time i trying to copy files like this i would prefer console
[22:25] <gr33nbits> i can login in ssh on the guest
[22:25] <gr33nbits> just missing something on the scp command
[22:26] <mnemonic_> What do you get when you open a terminal on the host, then type: touch.txt
[22:26] <mnemonic_> Sorry, I meant type: touch test.txt
[22:26] <mnemonic_> Then: scp test.txt 10.0.2.15:/tmp
[22:26] <mnemonic_> ?
[22:27] <gr33nbits> that creates a file on the host
[22:27] <gr33nbits> let me try
[22:27] <mnemonic_> Yes, then the second command secure copies it to the guest.
[22:27] <yugioh2> who
[22:27] <gr33nbits> i don't need to authenticate?
[22:28] <gr33nbits> doesn't copy
[22:28] <gr33nbits> look just tell me what is the command i need to type on the host
[22:28] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: I'm not sure how you've configured things. If you have key authentication set up, you will not be prompted for a password. If you do not, you will be prompted for your password.
[22:28] <mnemonic_> Oh, sorry - do you have a user account set up on the guest VM?
[22:29] <mnemonic_> You said that you managed to successfully ssh in to the guest, right?
[22:29] <gr33nbits> mnemonic_, tell me the scp command i have to type on the ssh guest
[22:29] <gr33nbits> yes
[22:29] <mnemonic_> It's not on the guest.
[22:29] <gr33nbits> just tell me the scp command i have to do to move the directory
[22:29] <mnemonic_> You should be typing that from the host.
[22:29] <gr33nbits> or i need to move file by file
[22:29] <gr33nbits> i did but didn't copied
[22:29] <mnemonic_> From the host: scp filename 10.0.2.15:/tmp (or where ever)
[22:30] <gr33nbits> but the files are on /etc/ovpn-client
[22:30] <mnemonic_> On the host or guest?
[22:30] <mauXDD> hola walfflejock
[22:30] <gr33nbits> guest
[22:30] <mauXDD> en español
[22:31] <gr33nbits> i configured the vpn server on the guest that is a ubuntu server 14.04
[22:31] <mnemonic_> Ah, right. Then, from the host, you should use: scp 10.0.2.15:etc/ovpn-client/* .
[22:32] <mnemonic_> Sorry, that sould be: scp 10.0.2.15:/etc/ovpn-client/* .
[22:32] <gr33nbits> no password for the ssh server needed?
[22:32] <mnemonic_> I don't know. Depends if you have key authentication set up. If not, it will prompt you for a password.
[22:33] <mnemonic_> What do you get when you enter: scp 10.0.2.15:/etc/ovpn-client/* .
[22:33] <gr33nbits> problem is that i can't ssh on the host
[22:33] <mnemonic_> I thought you said you already did?
[22:33] <gr33nbits> oh the guest yes
[22:33] <gr33nbits> on*
[22:34] <mnemonic_> Where did you ssh to/from?
[22:34] <gr33nbits> im on ssh on the guest
[22:34] <gr33nbits> only
[22:34] <mnemonic_> So you have a terminal open on the guest?
[22:34] <gr33nbits> yes
[22:34] <mnemonic_> And you can ssh from the guest to the host?
[22:35] <gr33nbits> no cause on the host i can even ssh 192.168.1.3
[22:35] <gr33nbits> can't*
[22:35] <mnemonic_> Is 192.168.1.3 your guest VM?
[22:35] <gr33nbits> no host ip
[22:35] <mnemonic_> Host IP for what?
[22:36] <gr33nbits> so on the host i should ssh guest ip
[22:36] <mnemonic_> Yes
[22:36] <gr33nbits> it stays blinking
[22:36] <gr33nbits> but does nothing
[22:36] <mnemonic_> You have probably entered an incorrect IP address.
[22:36] <gr33nbits> no i haven't
[22:36] <gr33nbits> do i need port?
[22:36] <mnemonic_> Did you install OpenSSH server on the guest?
[22:36] <gr33nbits> or password?
[22:37] <gr33nbits> yes the server is running on the guest
[22:37] <mnemonic_> OpenSSH server is running on the guest?
[22:37] <gr33nbits> well i do on the guess: ssh ip and it asks me the pass
[22:38] <mnemonic_> I do not understand what you just said.
[22:38] <gr33nbits> if i do ssh 10.0.2.15 on the guest
[22:38] <gr33nbits> next line is a password that i have st
[22:38] <gr33nbits> set*
[22:38] <mnemonic_> So 10.0.2.15 is the IP address of your guest?
[22:38] <gr33nbits> exactly
[22:39] <mnemonic_> What do you get from the host when you enter: ping 10.0.2.15
[22:39] <titanium17> KJL
[22:39] <gr33nbits> returns nothing
[22:40] <mnemonic_> That means you do not have a route from your host to your guest.
[22:40] <gr33nbits> maybe the guest vm network card
[22:40] <mnemonic_> In other words, your guest is not contactable from your host using that IP address.
[22:40] <gr33nbits> exactly is set to NAT
[22:40] <gr33nbits> do i need to change that?
[22:40] <mnemonic_> 10.x.x.x looks like a NAT type address.
[22:41] <gr33nbits> :) lol im such a noob
[22:42] <gr33nbits> so vpn wont work either before i fix that
[22:42] <mnemonic_> You need to set up a bridged or host-only network interface.
[22:42] <gr33nbits> mhm
[22:42] <gr33nbits> done let's see
[22:43] <gr33nbits> btw sorry for the mess in the chat room
[22:43] <gr33nbits> and thanks a bunch mnemonic_
[22:43] <mnemonic_> Have you already set up a new interface?
[22:43] <gr33nbits> yes
[22:43] <gr33nbits> logging in
[22:44] <gr33nbits> ok i can ping the guest from the host
[22:44] <luka_> fucking loonix man I swear
[22:44] <mnemonic_> So on the guest VM, what do you get when you enter: ipconfig | grep "inet addr"
[22:44] <luka_> man this OS makes me rage
[22:45] <ikonia> luka_: tone down the language please
[22:45] <ikonia> it's not welcome in this channel
[22:45] <luka_> sorry
[22:45] <ikonia> no problem
[22:45] <luka_> I have found a design flaw
[22:45] <gr33nbits> >
[22:45] <luka_> in whatever elementary OS uses for the interface
[22:45] <gr33nbits> i get >
[22:45] <titanium17> im going to ask the dumbest question ever: How do I increase the font size of xchat on ubuntu?
[22:45] <luka_> once oyu hide the menu you can't get it back
[22:45] <mekhami> i just put ubuntu on a dell inspiron 17 3737 and loaded up firefox, for some reason it won't connect to the internet
[22:46] <titanium17> seriously im lost, i am ashamed, but lost.
[22:46] <mekhami> it's working just fine on my ubuntu desktop
[22:46] <mekhami> and it's connected to wifi
[22:46] <mekhami> and i changed the dns settings
[22:46] <mekhami> but it's not loadin g anything up
[22:46] <ikonia> elementary is not ubuntu
[22:46] <SchrodingersScat> titanium17: no preferences under 'Edit'?
[22:47] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Does that mean you get nothing?
[22:47] <titanium17> SchrodingersScat, found preferences, I see text box and font but no font size
[22:47] <gr33nbits> yes
[22:47] <gr33nbits> but i can ping the guest now mnemonic_
[22:47] <titanium17> SchrodingersScat, scratch that. I am dumber than I thought I was. Choosing font also chooses size alongside.
[22:47] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Sounds like no IP addresses are assigned. What type of network interface did you add?
[22:47] <titanium17> problem solved!
[22:47] <gr33nbits> bridge
[22:47] <gr33nbits> now i have 192.168.1.2
[22:47] <SchrodingersScat> titanium17: great, and we've had worse questions
[22:48] <titanium17> thats reassuring!
[22:48] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Good news! If you can ping the guest from the host, you should now be able to ssh from the host to the guest.
[22:48] <gr33nbits> let's try
[22:48] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: What do you get now when you: ssh 192.168.1.2 (from the host)
[22:49] <gr33nbits> ask's me a password mnemonic_
[22:49] <mnemonic_> Excellent.
[22:50] <mnemonic_> Then it's definitely working. You don't have to ssh in to the guest if you don't want.
[22:50] <mnemonic_> You can now just use scp.
[22:50] <gr33nbits> so what do you suggest?
[22:51] <mnemonic_> From the host: scp 192.168.1.2:/etc/ovpn-client/* .
[22:51] <gr33nbits> password doesn't seem to work QQ
[22:52] <mnemonic_> You have probably typed it in incorrectly.
[22:52] <gr33nbits> gonna do it again
[22:53] <mnemonic_> You also need to have permissions (at least 'read' permissions) to the /etc/ovpn-client directory.
[22:53] <gr33nbits> nope it works on the guest but not on the host the pass
[22:53] <wafflejock> gr33nbits: do you have the same username on both systems?
[22:53] <pseudonymous> Hi - I'm writing a systemd service-file and having a single problem - I'd like my service to run under a specific uid & gid. I've checked the systemd.service man-page but found nothing. How do I go about doing that ?
[22:53] <mnemonic_> wafflejock: Good point!
[22:53] <gr33nbits> no wafflejock
[22:54] <gr33nbits> oh i need the same user?
[22:54] <mnemonic_> scp username@192.168.1.2:/etc/ovpn-client/* .
[22:54] <mnemonic_> (replace username with the user that you use on the guest)
[22:54] <gr33nbits> oh pass worked
[22:55] <gr33nbits> now with the user
[22:55] <gr33nbits> scp: /etc/ovpn-client/*: No such file or directory
[22:55] <mnemonic_> That's the directory you gave me.
[22:55] <gr33nbits> yes should be this one let me check
[22:57] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: A very easy way to do this is using Nautilus. You'll be able to view directories on the VM guest as though they were local.
[22:57] <gr33nbits> okis
[22:58] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: Open Nautilus, press CTRL + L, then in the address bar enter: sftp://username@192.168.1.2
[22:58] <mekhami> i'm still having problems, seemingly with DNS on a fresh install of ubuntu
[22:58] <mekhami> i changed my nameservers to googles, and certain websites are working but not others
[22:59] <ikonia> look at which ones are not working
[22:59] <ikonia> I suspect you've not pointed your machine at googles dns correctly
[22:59] <mekhami> an dhow would one do that
[23:00] <ikonia> do what ?
[23:00] <gr33nbits> ok done from the command line
[23:00] <mekhami> set them "correctly"
[23:00] <mekhami> since you assume i haven't
[23:00] <ikonia> I don't know how you have
[23:00] <gr33nbits> but i will take a look at nautils
[23:00] <mekhami> in the network settings
[23:00] <mekhami> the connection settings
[23:00] <ikonia> I'm guessing you've not, but I don't know what you've done
[23:00] <pseudonymous> will repeat: how does one run a systemd service as non-root
[23:00] <ikonia> so you've changed them in network manager ?
[23:00] <mekhami> yes
[23:00] <ikonia> so that should get picked up
[23:00] <ikonia> what is a website that's not working ?
[23:00] <mekhami> reddit
[23:00] <mekhami> but facebook works fine
[23:01] <gr33nbits> mnemonic_, Thanks a bunch for the time and patience you gave me, sorry to all the other members for the spam
[23:01] <ikonia> so if you open a shell and do "nslookup www.reddit.com' or whatever, what do you get ?
[23:02] <mekhami> ikonia: a whole bunch of addresses
[23:02] <ikonia> so that means DNS is working
[23:02] <mnemonic_> no gr33nbits
[23:02] <ikonia> so DNS isn't a problem
[23:02] <mnemonic_> (sorry, I mean "np gr33nbits")
[23:03] <mekhami> ikonia: other reasons certain pages wouldn't load?
[23:03] <gr33nbits> ok
[23:03] <ikonia> mekhami: depends how you are getting out, your ISP could have internet caches in place, you'd have to work it throguh
[23:03] <mekhami> ikonia: my internet is working just fine on other device
[23:04] <mekhami> devices
[23:04] <mekhami> including my ubuntu desktop;
[23:04] <ikonia> mekhami: putting something like firebug in your browser, and seeing exactly what URL's are loading / whats not and what ever message they are giving
[23:04] <gr33nbits> should i keep the connection bridge or can i set it back to NAT for the VPN
[23:05] <mekhami> ikonia: seems to be hanging on googleadservices
[23:05] <mnemonic_> gr33nbits: You can have a NAT, host-only, and bridged if you want.
[23:05] <ikonia> mekhami: not uncommon for some of the URLS that hang off it
[23:06] <gr33nbits> but with NAT i couldn't ping it
[23:06] <mekhami> ikonia: but like i said it's working on the desktop i'm currently talking to you on
[23:06] <mekhami> so it has to be specific to this laptop, no?
[23:06] <gr33nbits> but if that doesn't matter
[23:06] <ikonia> different ad URL's that are not dead
[23:06] <ikonia> (guessing)
[23:06] <mnemonic_> mekhami: How did you change your DNS?
[23:06] <mekhami> well i also can't ping these websites
[23:07] <mekhami> mnemonic_: through network manager
[23:07] <freq> https://redd.it/4b4wy5
[23:07] <ikonia> ICMP is different to http
[23:07] <ikonia> try telnet url.com 80
[23:07] <mekhami> nothing
[23:08] <ikonia> lets have a look, what exact command di you use
[23:08] <ikonia> did
[23:08] <mekhami> telnet reddit.com 80
[23:08] <ikonia> mekhami: ok - so that works
[23:09] <ikonia> if you do nslookup reddit.com and then telnet ip 80 on each of those addresses do any of them work ?
[23:10] <mekhami> so far no
[23:10] <ikonia> check them all
[23:10] <ikonia> that will tell us more
[23:10] <mekhami> there's like 30
[23:10] <mekhami> well that's an exaggeration
[23:10] <mekhami> but there's probably 15
[23:10] <ikonia> there is 15
[23:11] <mnemonic_> mekhami: When you changed your DNS, did you select "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only" and then enter the Google DNS servers?
[23:11] <mekhami> mnemonic_: yes
[23:11] <mnemonic_> mehdi: And what Google DNS servers did you use?
[23:11] <mekhami> ikonia: none of them are working
[23:11] <ikonia> so something is actually blocking you then
[23:11] <mekhami> 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
[23:12] <mekhami> this is an absolutely fresh install of ubuntu just did it today
[23:13] <ikonia> traceroute to one of the addresses/url see where it gets stopped
[23:13] <mekhami> what's the command for that
[23:13] <ikonia> traceroute ipaddress
[23:14] <mekhami> i don't have traceroute installed
[23:14] <mekhami> nvm i'll just install it
[23:14] <ikonia> it's installed by default on ubuntu
[23:14] <ikonia> what version of ubuntu is it ?
[23:14] <mekhami> 14.04
[23:14] <mekhami> and it's not
[23:14] <ikonia> ahhh wait
[23:14] <ikonia> you're on an IPv6 address
[23:14] <ikonia> I wonder if it's the ipv6 to v4 gateway
[23:15] <ikonia> either way - try the traceroute
[23:15] <mekhami> 30 lines of * * *
[23:15] <ikonia> so it doesn't get off the first hop
[23:15] <ikonia> what is your default gateway
[23:16] <mekhami> no idea
[23:16] <ikonia> have a look
[23:16] <ikonia> it's set in network manager
[23:17] <mekhami> default route?
[23:17] <ikonia> yes
[23:17] <mekhami> 172.14.42.1
[23:17] <ikonia> what is that
[23:17] <mekhami> that's what it says under 'default route'
[23:18] <ikonia> mekhami: are you on AT&T ?
[23:18] <mekhami> yes
[23:18] <ikonia> ok - so thats a legit IP then
[23:18] <ikonia> that doesn't look like a default route though
[23:18] <ikonia> that looks like a consumer public IP
[23:19] <ikonia> lets cheat, can you pastebin the output of "netstat -rn" please
[23:20] <mekhami> https://gist.github.com/mekhami/8b9263dcdb80ce7abf49
[23:20] <mekhami> i can access facebook
[23:20] <mekhami> so i facebooked this from my laptop to my desktop
[23:20] <mekhami> cause i couldn't access any pastebins
[23:21] <ikonia> that route seems really odd
[23:21] <ikonia> what's the IP address of your wireless lan card ?
[23:21] <mekhami> 172.14.43.2
[23:21] <mekhami> that's wlan0 inet addr
[23:22] <ikonia> that seems really odd as thats a direct public addresss
[23:22] <ikonia> what's the IP address of the desktop that's working
[23:22] <mekhami> it's on ethernet
[23:22] <mekhami> which is a 192.168 addr
[23:23] <xdevnull> I need help with regex
[23:23] <ikonia> on the desktop thats working can you go to "whats my ip" in a browser
[23:23] <ikonia> whats the public IP it's showing
[23:23] <ikonia> (the working desktop)
[23:23] <xdevnull> i've string start like this ".static-stringhere"
[23:23] <mekhami> 2602:30a:c0e2:b020:e8a2:662a:d1a6:3025
[23:23] <mekhami> 172.14.43.2
[23:23] <ikonia> IP V6, this looks an odd ssetup
[23:23] <xdevnull> stringhere couldn't be anything, whats the right pattern?
[23:23] <ikonia> tell me about the wireless machine
[23:24] <mekhami> dell inspiron 17 3737
[23:24] <mekhami> ubuntu 14.04
[23:24] <mekhami> nothing modified
[23:24] <ikonia> what's the setup, is it a wireless router that is plugged into the wall ?
[23:24] <mekhami> yes
[23:24] <ikonia> and the wired machine - does that plug into the same router ?
[23:24] <mekhami> yes
[23:24] <ikonia> why do they have different IP ranges
[23:24] <ikonia> and why is the wifi one public
[23:25] <mekhami> couldn't tell you
[23:25] <ikonia> rather than a private range
[23:25] <ikonia> that seems very very odd
[23:25] <ikonia> can you ping 172.14.42.1 on the wireless machine ?
[23:25] <mekhami> hold on i'm just gonna restart networking real quick
[23:26] <mekhami> right okay
[23:26] <mekhami> ping is fine
[23:26] <mekhami> successful
[23:26] <ikonia> so it can see that device
[23:26] <ikonia> it sounds a very odd setup from a router point of view
[23:26] <mekhami> ttps://gist.github.com/mekhami/741e7794afe89c546047
[23:26] <mekhami> just fyi
[23:27] <ikonia> is the wifi address DHCP ?
[23:27] <ikonia> wait
[23:28] <ikonia> look at the two addresses
[23:28] <ikonia> they are different public subnets
[23:28] <ikonia> one is .43 the other is .42
[23:28] <mekhami> so it would seem
[23:28] <mekhami> on the laptop, the inet addr for wlan0 is 172.14.42.2
[23:28] <mekhami> sorry
[23:28] <mekhami> on the laptop, the inet addr for wlan0 is 172.14.43.2
[23:28] <ikonia> but the gateway is .42
[23:29] <mekhami> the 'default route' is 172.14.42.1
[23:29] <ikonia> so thats not "a problem" but it is very odd
[23:29] <ikonia> I'd put in a call to AT&T and ask them to confirm the router setup they sent you, as it's "odd"
[23:30] <mekhami> i've had this wireless setup for quite some time now
[23:30] <mekhami> and this laptop is the first thing that doesn'tw ork
[23:30] <ikonia> it's very odd, as it can't be DHCP addresses
[23:30] <ikonia> as your router can't be giving out public IP addresses
[23:31] <mnemonic_> mekhami: What happens if you just set it up to use DHCP (and whatever DNS servers are automatically assigned)?
[23:32] <mekhami> mnemonic_: same situation. facebook loads just fine. other sites don't
[23:32] <mekhami> reddit for instance.
[23:32] <mekhami> google searches work
[23:32] <mekhami> and that's only on this laptop, my desktop everything works
[23:32] <ikonia> it can't be doing dhcp
[23:32] <mnemonic_> What do you get with: nslookup www.reddit.com 8.8.8.8
[23:32] <ikonia> as your router can't give out AOL public addresses
[23:32] <mekhami> mnemonic_: it's hanging on that command
[23:33] <mekhami> connection timed out
[23:33] <mekhami> on my laptop it returns the 15 addresses correctly
[23:34] <ikonia> hang on - you said nslookup was working before
[23:34] <mnemonic_> mekhami: What about: nslookup www.reddit.com 208.67.222.222
[23:34] <mekhami> ikonia: and now it's not
[23:34] <mekhami> mnemonic_: hanging
[23:34] <ikonia> type nslookup then type server
[23:34] <ikonia> what do you see
[23:35] <mekhami> default server: 127.0.0.1 address: 127.0.1.1#53
[23:35] <ikonia> ok, so it's correctly using dns masq
[23:35] <mekhami> and now we can't reach reddit
[23:35] <mekhami> using noslookup
[23:35] <ouroumov> Can you ping reddit's IPs?
[23:35] <ikonia> using these public IP's seems like a very very very bad id
[23:36] <k1l> who manages that router?
[23:36] <ikonia> more so when there is an ipv4->ipv6 bridge
[23:36] <mekhami> ouroumov: no
[23:36] <mekhami> k1l: i do
[23:36] <mekhami> but i've not touched it since AT&T gave it to me
[23:36] <ouroumov> Why don't you use a private address range?
[23:36] <mekhami> i'm currently using the default setup
[23:36] <ikonia> that can't be
[23:36] <mekhami> and all my other machines do
[23:36] <mekhami> well it is
[23:37] <ikonia> as it's not giving up DHCP public addresses in the ATT range
[23:37] <ikonia> or you couldn't have more than 1 device on it
[23:37] <mekhami> all of my other machines correctly use private addresses
[23:37] <ikonia> it would use up the whole range
[23:37] <ouroumov> Your packets might be dropped when they leave successive nets with invalid IPs
[23:37] <ikonia> mekhami: network manager, is that using dhcp
[23:37] <mekhami> ikonia: yes
[23:37] <mekhami> automatic
[23:37] <ikonia> can't be right then
[23:37] <ikonia> as it's got a public IP
[23:37] <mekhami> idk what to tell you lol
[23:37] <mekhami> i'm answering all of your questions very honestly haha
[23:38] <ikonia> I don't doubt that
[23:38] <mekhami> here's what i'll do
[23:38] <mekhami> i'm gonna delete the network
[23:38] <mekhami> restart the laptop
[23:38] <mekhami> and we'll go from there
[23:40] <Waheedi> noproc should be nproc, that was my fault
[23:40] <Waheedi> :|
[23:40] <mekhami> ikonia: so i am now connected again on a fresh default configuration
[23:40] <mekhami> ipv4 automatic dhcp
[23:40] <mekhami> default route 172.14.42.1
[23:40] <mekhami> ip address 172.14.43.2
[23:41] <mekhami> primary dns 192.168.1.254
[23:41] <mekhami> this is all wlan0
[23:41] <ouroumov> So weird
[23:41] <snowgoggles> check to see if the MAC is being cloned
[23:41] <ikonia> errr thats crazy
[23:41] <ikonia> public IP
[23:41] <ikonia> not going to work
[23:41] <ikonia> private DNS
[23:41] <ikonia> your router is configured wrong
[23:41] <mekhami> it's worked on every other machine ever
[23:42] <ikonia> there is no other reason I can see for such an odd config
[23:42] <mekhami> i have multiple phones ,tablets, my deskop, a PS4
[23:42] <mekhami> with no problems
[23:42] <ikonia> not interested in the past
[23:42] <ikonia> currently - that is a mental config
[23:42] <mekhami> what i mean is
[23:42] <ikonia> and dhcp cannot be working either as those are public AT&T addresses
[23:42] <mekhami> it's the default setup
[23:42] <mekhami> i've never touched the router config
[23:42] <ikonia> well, to me, it's very wrong now
[23:42] <ikonia> and never going to work
[23:44] <mekhami> ikonia: advice on how to configure it th en?
[23:44] <ikonia> talk to AT&T and explain the issue
[23:44] <ikonia> that would be my first port of call
[23:45] <mekhami> i guarantee if i call at&T
[23:45] <mekhami> they're not gonna understnad a word of what i tell them
[23:45] <mekhami> and they'll send out a tech that'll check the wires and tell me 'oh uh idk what's wrong'
[23:45] <ikonia> they will if you get through to the right suppport level
[23:47] <mekhami> is there anything in the router config i could loook for
[23:47] <ikonia> I wouldn't advise it
[23:47] <ikonia> as the wrong thing could drop you off the AT&T network
[23:48] <mnemonic_> You could try turning your router off, leaving it for 30 (or so seconds), then turning it on again (long shot, but worth a try).
[23:48] <mekhami> can't wait to move to austin
[23:48] <mekhami> and get on google fiber
[23:50] <Sec_Guy> Just testing how to use this channel.
[23:50] <Sec_Guy> Works
[23:51] <Sec_Guy> I'm interested in thoughts on how to do encryption in a way that protects my data even if someone steals my box from the house.
[23:53] <mnemonic_> Sec_Guy: You can use "full disk encryption", or you can encrypt your home directory.
[23:53] <Sec_Guy> mnemonic_:   yes, FDE ... then I have to enter a passphrase at each boot, right?
[23:54] <mnemonic_> Yes
[23:54] <Sec_Guy> That kinda slows the rebooting when I am working in another country.  :)
[23:54] <wafflejock> Sec_Guy: you'd just want to have an encrypted file system or encrypted folder, keep in mind this makes recovery of data in there difficult or impossible if you don't have the key to decrypt https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FolderEncryption https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[23:55] <Sec_Guy> encrypted filesystem or directory, would be compromised when someone got physical access to the box, right?
[23:56] <ikonia> I'd seriously ask - what are you protecting ?
[23:56] <ikonia> so few home users need encyption, and it adds a layer of complexity and risk that is not required for most users who believe they need it, and in reality, just want it
[23:56] <Sec_Guy> ikonia:   Fair question. It is almost a want vs need....
[23:56] <wafflejock> agree I don't encrypt my home folder
[23:57] <mnemonic_> Sec_Guy: If your home directory is encrypted, then physical access to the box will not compromise the data in your home directory.
[23:57] <wafflejock> I have an encrypted DB for my passwords that's it
[23:57] <Sec_Guy> but I disagree with your notion of people needing encryption. New world, we all need encryption to maintain privacy
[23:57] <ikonia> privacy of what ?
[23:57] <ikonia> what are you protecting that isn't available in other ways
[23:58] <Guest6049> hi
[23:58] <Sec_Guy> privacy for the sake of privacy. I'm not hiding anything,  btu the reverse is relevant, no one needs to snoop my stuff,
[23:58] <mnemonic_> ikonia: I would respectfully disagree with that. When you have a laptop, and you have all your personal data on that laptop (files, photos, whatever), if that laptop is lost of stolen, you're screwed.
[23:58] <Sec_Guy> that's backup mnemonic_ , not encryption..   we need both.
[23:58] <ikonia> mnemonic_: I'm not saying there isn't a need - most people are protecting nothing thought and increasing risk
[23:59] <wafflejock> Sec_Guy: yeah anytime you implement more layers of security you reduce the ease of use
[23:59] <wafflejock> it's good to be aware of the trade offs it's not all one way or the other
[23:59] <ikonia> eg: encypt your disk - but backup to say facebook and aws - people have your data, what are you protecting
[23:59] <mnemonic_> I always encrypt my home folder whenever I install Ubuntu.
[23:59] <ikonia> it's normally for the majority of people just the odd file that needs protecting
[23:59] <Sec_Guy> I am happy to make it more difficult to protect my privacy
[23:59] <ikonia> Sec_Guy: encypting your disk isn't really protecting your privacy
[23:59] <ikonia> it's a false economy in a lot of situations