[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <claydoh> good evening
[09:06] <lordievader> Hey claydoh, how are you?
[09:07] <claydoh> not bad enjoying vacation lordievader im in Australia
[09:08] <lordievader> Ah, nice. Lots of sun?
[09:08] <claydoh> tho my pc back home went offline so no quassel core lol\
[09:08] <claydoh> yeah so far perfect temps
[09:09] <lordievader> Nice, nice :)
[09:50] <soee> i have 'fixed' the problem with panel always covering application windows :/
[09:56] <acheron88> what was the cause? or have you just worked around/fudged a 'fix'?
[10:24] <soee> acheron88: no idea, i have to removed .local folder 
[12:15] <clivejo> yofel: commited xenial version to kubuntu_xenial_archive and uploaded the package ( kdeconnect-plasma - 0.9+git20160315-0ubuntu1 ) to misc staging
[12:16] <yofel> what's the git url?
[12:16] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdeconnect-plasma.git/log/?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[12:17] <yofel> ok, extras
[12:17] <yofel> (adopting upstream version number) ?
[12:17] <clivejo> Im not sure how upload works
[12:18] <clivejo> previous archive version is 0.0+git
[12:18] <clivejo> this version is 0.9
[12:18] <yofel> is this another git snapshot?
[12:18] <clivejo> yes
[12:18] <yofel> why?
[12:19] <clivejo> I dont understand the upstream use of letters
[12:20] <yofel> do you have a repacked tarball that includes translations?
[12:21] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.9/src/
[12:21] <clivejo> it goes 0.9, 0.9f and then 0.9g
[12:21] <yofel> right, so use the g one
[12:23] <clivejo> not the latest git?
[12:23] <yofel> does that include translations?
[12:23] <clivejo> I dont know
[12:25] <clivejo> apparently not
[12:25] <clivejo> no po folder that I can see
[12:25] <yofel> translations usually don't include those, so it's better to use the last released version and apply whatever important patches the current git head has
[12:26] <yofel> erm, "git repos don't..."
[12:26] <clivejo> oh
[12:26] <yofel> unless that would be too much work. But you really need a good argument to use a git snapshot considering that non-english-speaking users won't be able to understand the UI
[12:27] <clivejo> I didnt know that git ommits translations
[12:27]  * clivejo makes a note
[12:28] <yofel> kde keeps all translations separate. There's some release script that merges those into the tarball
[12:29] <clivejo> is that not what sgclark is working on kde-l10n ?
[12:30] <soee> btw. where are we now with  Apps, Frameworks and Plasma?
[12:30] <yofel> *that* only applies to "KDE SC", meaning kde4 and only for the offical source set. Not for anything kf5 based and not for anything from extragear
[12:30] <yofel> soee: same as on friday
[12:31] <soee> 15.12.3 are ready ? 
[12:32] <yofel> looks like it
[12:34]  * soee tea time :)
[12:35] <soee> i have to 'fix' long loading time problem (the loading screen after sddm)
[12:35] <soee> it started again after upgrade to 5.5.5 i think
[12:35] <soee> if remove .config folder this problem is gone so it is something with setting inside it
[12:36] <soee> *inside of it
[12:46] <clivejo> yofel: changed to 0.9g in archive, used git-buildpackage-ppa to build source and uploaded to misc-staging
[12:47] <clivejo> have to go for a bit
[12:47] <yofel> thanks
[12:48] <clivejo> I assume there might be new files to be installed?
[12:48] <yofel> clivejo: you did not push
[12:48] <yofel> the translations probably, I'll fix that
[12:48] <clivejo> dare
[12:49] <yofel> thanks
[12:49] <clivejo> let me, if it can wait
[12:49] <clivejo> need to get this stuff into my brain
[12:49] <yofel> sure
[12:49] <clivejo> do I need to get the FFE re-ack'ed?
[12:50] <yofel> it's also nice to close the launchpad bug with the upload, so please append "(LP: #1559538)" to the new upstream release line
[12:50] <yofel> no
[12:50] <clivejo> will do
[12:50] <clivejo> Ill be back later
[13:01] <soee> ok i have tracked down file that makes loading screen waiting like 10-2- seconds
[13:02] <soee> *10-20
[13:02] <soee> it is .config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc
[13:02] <yofel> that would mean a config problem in one of the applets
[13:03] <yofel> any idea what that could be?
[13:03] <yofel> maybe selectively removing sections from that file could narrow it down
[13:03] <soee> i will try to find out by testing each setting in that file :/
[13:05] <yofel> clivejo: if you're looking for stuff to do, could you maybe look at bug 1536169?
[13:18] <soee> yofel: ping
[13:22] <yofel> soee: hm?
[13:22] <soee> yofel: removing this from mentioned file helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15436389/
[13:23] <soee> probably i will have to consult it with Plasma devs tomorrow
[13:24] <yofel> right, I *think* that's a kde plugin, but not sure right now
[13:28] <soee> and under his path: [Containments][114] there are 4 more elements configured so maybe one of them is the problem
[13:29] <soee> [Containments][114][Applets][112]  for analog clock plugin
[13:29] <soee> [Containments][114][Applets][112][Configuration][ConfigDialog]
[13:29] <soee> [Containments][114][ConfigDialog]
[13:29] <soee> [Containments][114][General]
[13:29] <soee> [Containments][114][Wallpaper][org.kde.image][General]
[13:29] <soee> the last one contains path to not existing wallpaper image
[13:30] <soee> but i tried to remove it and it didn't help 
[13:31] <soee> uhm one more test
[15:48] <clivejo> yofel: using the 0.9g release tarball seems to lose quite a bit of functionality 
[15:49] <clivejo> kdeconnect_notifications_config.so, kdeconnect_runcommand_config.so, kdeconnectfileitemaction.so plugins arent being built
[15:50] <clivejo> the whole idea of this FFE was to get the latest features into Xenial :/
[15:51] <clivejo> is there any way to grab the translations and put them into the git tar?
[15:54] <yofel> probably, but I don't know how. I've never manually touched translations
[15:55] <yofel> What we could do is ship without and later try to SRU the next fully released version
[15:56] <clivejo> looks like the last version was missing translations
[15:57] <soee_> ahoneybun: shouldn't his wiki be updated https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Weekly_Snapshot_.28pretty_stable.29 ? Weekly snapshots never existed i think, daily aren't updated for months
[15:59] <yofel> Can you put the git snapshot that you want uploaded somewhere? Or tell me the command to create it?
[16:00] <clivejo> I just dget the package from KCI unstable PPA
[16:00] <yofel> ok
[16:00] <clivejo> the reason I grabbed it is because I know that package is installable and actually works
[16:00] <clivejo> Im using it and so is soee_
[16:01] <soee_> +1
[16:01] <clivejo> but I wasnt aware that it was missing translations as my default and only language is English
[16:01] <clivejo> sad I know
[16:03] <yofel> considering that the current package also doesn't have any it's not a regression, just meh
[16:03] <yofel> just something to be aware of
[16:04] <clivejo> but I want to do it properly, so I know how
[16:08] <yofel> so CI has  0.9+git20160320.1502+16.04-0
[16:08] <yofel> does *that* tarball work or do you still have the old one?
[16:10] <yofel> ok, last commit was on the 7th, so it doesn't matter
[16:13] <yofel> clivejo: uploaded
[16:13] <clivejo> yeah I give it a poke yesterday
[16:14] <clivejo> but the i386 build it failing
[16:14] <clivejo> uploaded to archive?
[16:23] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma/0.9+git20160315-0ubuntu1
[16:31] <soee_> yofel: btw. i created new bug for the issue i talked about https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360777
[16:31] <yofel> thanks
[16:34] <soee_> what is /proc dir for ?
[16:34] <soee_> if i open Dolphin and move cursor around when listing / content than each time i hover this folder system lags
[16:37] <yofel> that contains information about running processes
[16:37] <yofel> not sure what dolphin tries to look up there...
[17:01] <clivejo> yofel: maybe I should open a bug for translations in kdeconnect-plasma
[17:03] <clivejo> does anyone here use kdeconnect in a non-english system?
[17:03] <soee_> i'm using English but can install Polish
[17:03] <soee_> well in fact i have PL installed just EN set as primary
[17:04] <clivejo> soee_: what does kdeconnect do then your system is in Polish?
[17:04] <soee_> in English
[17:05] <soee_> as it is easier to post screenshot, take movies in English to present devs etc :)
[17:05] <soee_> but i have PL also installed just english is default one
[17:06] <soee_> give me few minutes i switch to PL and relogin
[17:08] <soee> back
[17:08] <clivejo> soee: is there a Kubuntu Poland community?
[17:09] <soee> clivejo:  dunno tbh. i doubt
[17:09] <soee> clivejo: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/03/20/Screenshot_20160320_180756.png
[17:09] <soee> some part is translated some strings are not
[17:09] <clivejo> thats oddd
[17:10] <clivejo> where is it getting the translation from, if we arent shipping it?
[17:10] <soee> maybe they were not translated upstream
[17:11] <clivejo> I wonder is it rolled into kde-l10n?
[17:11] <soee> clivejo: well i don not know how it works
[17:11] <soee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/0.8-0ubuntu5
[17:11] <soee> kdeconnect_0.8.orig.tar.xz contains po files
[17:11] <soee> with translations for various languages
[17:13] <clivejo> so does the tar here - http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.9/src/
[17:14] <soee> so the .dev files does not contain them also and used based on system, locale ?
[17:14] <soee> *deb
[17:14] <clivejo> KCI grabs the source code from KDE git
[17:15] <clivejo> and that doesnt have the translations apparently
[17:16] <soee> so KDE maybe provides l10n packages for each language that contain translations for all KDE related apps ?
[17:16] <clivejo> I believe so, but I cant get my head around it
[17:17] <clivejo> some packages seem to have translations being installed
[17:17] <soee> so if we upload new package than translation files will be automatically updated 
[17:17] <clivejo> soee: thats why I wanted you to do that test
[17:18] <clivejo> it is obviously getting Polish transations from somewhere
[17:18] <clivejo> and yo have the git (no translations) package installed
[17:18] <soee> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15438849/
[17:19] <clivejo> interesting
[17:19] <soee> so i am on 15.12.1 and obiously it is a bit older than apps
[17:19] <soee> but this is just a guess
[17:26] <clivejo> no mention of kdeconnect here - http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/kde-l10n-pl/filelist
[17:39] <yofel> soee, clivejo: no, in this case the translations are merged into the release tarball as part of the release tarball
[17:39] <yofel> the translation packages are deprecated
[17:39] <clivejo> yofel: but how is soee seeing it partly translated?
[17:40] <yofel> dunno
[17:40] <clivejo> hes installed the git version
[17:40] <clivejo> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/03/20/Screenshot_20160320_180756.png
[17:40] <yofel> possibly re-used frameworks / plasma components that have their own translations?
[17:40] <soee> well if some strings aren't translated thn english one is used probably
[17:40] <yofel> well, dunno
[17:41] <soee> wait
[17:41] <soee> ergh, i have kdeconnect 0.8 and kdeconnect-plasma 0.9
[17:42] <soee> cani just remove kdeconnect ?
[17:48] <clivejo> they seem to be linked
[17:49] <clivejo> Recommends: kdeconnect
[17:50] <soee> linked ?
[17:51] <clivejo> installing kdeconnect-plasma wants to also install kdeconnect
[17:51] <soee> and their versions do not match ?
[17:52] <clivejo> well I thought kdeconnect was old pre KF5
[17:53] <clivejo> but debian package kdeconnect is build with KF5 - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdeconnect.git/tree/debian/control
[17:53] <clivejo> we seem to have branched off ?
[17:54] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdeconnect.git/tree/debian/changelog
[17:54] <clivejo> 0.9g
[17:54] <clivejo> Im soooo confused!
[17:54] <soee> :/
[18:13] <clivejo> we really should follow Debian :/
[18:13] <clivejo> if they jump off a cliff, we do too :P
 is that apt bug still there?
[18:24] <clivejo> its not really a bug :/
 it breaks the system no?
[18:25] <clivejo> didnt break mine, just throws warnings
[18:25] <clivejo> maybe if you are using 3rd party repos
 I have that staging repo on tam
 *atm
[18:27] <clivejo> I think they are just warnings, I seem to be able to still install from them
 mm
[18:35] <clivejo> yofel: what are your thoughts?  do we continue with kdeconnect-plasma, or go back with Debian?
[18:42] <yofel> ask me tomorrow
[18:43] <clivejo> bad day?
[18:45] <yofel> just tired
[18:47] <clivejo> :(
[19:15] <soee> :)
[20:59] <clivejo> yofel: regarding bug 1536169 : this is git diff between xenial_archive and master - https://paste.kde.org/pzga15byy
[21:01] <clivejo> need to cherry pick that pkgkde-mark-qt5-private-symbols stuff for kubuntu?
[21:06]  * soee says again that Plasma hates him ...
[21:08] <ahoneybun> soee, about that wiki page I don't have much knowledge about those CI builds
[21:08] <valorie> claus_chr: nice to see you
[21:09] <soee> ahoneybun: i think they were once created by Riddell and since he is working now on Neosn, nobody uses this 2 i mentioned
[21:09] <soee> Kubuntu uses only unstable but sgclark might have better knowledge about it
 I think your right about Riddell making it
[21:10] <valorie> would be good to ask sitter and Riddell too
[21:13] <soee> well they could stay as thei are but those informations on wiki might be misleading and pointing to outdated packages (in unstable daily for example)
[21:50] <clivejo> yofel: I attempted that cherrypick, but I removed some git stuff from the rules file as it looked to be KDE4 stuff
[21:50] <clivejo> starting to think I shouldnt have done that!
[21:50] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/249122854/pkg-kde-tools_0.15.20~ubuntu4_0.15.20~ubuntu5.diff.gz
[21:51] <clivejo> I uploaded it to my PPA - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+packages
[21:53]  * clivejo wanders off to find some headache tablets
[21:56] <mitya57> clivejo, why not do a proper merge of 0.15.21? :)
[21:57] <clivejo> not sure if that is allowed without a FFE
[21:58] <clivejo> this would be a bug fix, so should be allowed in
[21:58] <mitya57> I would say it doesn't need an exception
[21:59] <clivejo> I have no idea
[21:59] <clivejo> I dont even know how to test that package I hacked
[21:59] <clivejo> way over my head
[22:00] <mitya57> clivejo, also, you probably want to close bug 1536169 in the changelog
[22:00] <mitya57> Maybe instead of the other bug, that one doesn't seem related
[22:01] <clivejo> I dont even know if it fixes it!
[22:01] <clivejo> how do I test it?
[22:02] <mitya57> If the tool is present, it's probably fixed :)
[22:02] <mitya57> To really test it you would need to get a Qt 5.6 packaging
[22:05] <mitya57> I.e. http://paste.ubuntu.com/15442127/
[22:06] <clivejo> does it?
[22:25] <yofel> clivejo: I'm not quite sure what you tried to do yet, but the bug was really just to not delete the 2 related files
[22:26] <yofel> clivejo: hm, you didn't commit your changes?
[22:32] <clivejo> no
[22:32] <clivejo> I dunno what Im doing
[22:33] <clivejo> would a debian merge not be better with 0.15.21?
[22:33] <yofel> looking at the diff, everything other than removing the kde4 stuff looks good
[22:33] <yofel> yeah, looks to be just bugfixes from the log, so do that
[22:33] <clivejo> the git stuff in rules?
[22:34] <yofel> yes
[22:34] <clivejo> what is that doing?
[22:34] <clivejo> and why doesnt Debian do it?
[22:35] <yofel> no idea, some l10n magic. We have a lot of kubuntu-specific l10n handling in our tooling. So lets not remove potentially important stuff days before final beta
[22:36] <yofel> we DO still ship kde4 pieces