[01:37] <sergio-br2> is it safe to publish packages for xenial right now?
[01:37] <sergio-br2> *on PPAs
[01:37] <sergio-br2> I'm afraid to publish it right now, then I'll get dependencies problem next month
[01:38] <sergio-br2> it's everything froze right?
[01:42] <sergio-br2> "Final Beta Freeze" March 24th
[01:42] <sergio-br2> humm
[01:47] <ChibaPet> Relatively frozen. PPAs are doing it. There's been Wine for Xenial for a while.
[01:48] <sergio-br2> my PPSSPP ppa broke 3 or 4 times
[01:48] <sergio-br2> for xenial
[01:49] <ChibaPet> Well. It'll be released soon and then it'll be utterly stable for five years.
[01:49] <ChibaPet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[01:49] <ChibaPet> Wait five days and you're in final beta.
[01:49] <ChibaPet> Ah, you saw that already.
[01:51] <sergio-br2> yup
[01:52] <sergio-br2> so I can release it march 24th, then it'll work for sure in the final release right?
[01:52] <ChibaPet> Death and taxes are guaranteed. Everything else is subject to change without notice.
[01:55] <sergio-br2> :)
[08:30] <MSponge> Glorious Sunday weather today ... mornin' all !
[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <MSponge> lordievader: Good morning here .. how's it with you ?
[09:06] <lordievader> Got coffee, can't complain ;)
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> now its official, xenial gonna get launcher to bottom option
[09:07] <MSponge> Yeah, a good cigar would be nice but a rollie is fitting for this time o'mornin.
[09:07] <MSponge> lotuspsychje: yes, I heard that - what about r.h.side thou ?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> i dont think so
[09:08] <MSponge> why not ?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> MSponge: http://news.softpedia.com/news/it-s-official-ubuntu-16-04-lts-now-lets-you-move-the-unity-launcher-to-bottom-501932.shtml
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> unless dconf values will be able to be tweaked right, but i dont think that will work
[09:09] <MSponge>  already reddit.
[09:09] <MSponge> I'm working on a program for 16.10
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> oh really? what about
[09:10] <MSponge> should be in standard install if all goes well with the defaulting.
[09:10] <MSponge> Kudos.
[09:10] <MSponge> It's basically unetbootin, but for dvd's too.
[09:11] <MSponge> the one they have is pants at moment.
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> cool
[09:11] <MSponge> do ya like the name ?
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> sure
[09:12] <MSponge> just on the phone to me sis.
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> MSponge: does it actually mean something
[09:13] <MSponge> yes .. because the old dos users 'll be queue up to use it ;-)
[09:13] <MSponge> Ku-dos
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> aha
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> nice1
[09:14] <MSponge> Queing users since 16.10
[09:17] <MSponge> lotuspsychje:   Wat are you up to then ?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> MSponge: im just a happy ubuntu user, nothing spec
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> MSponge: also helping bug xenial
[09:18]  * MSponge needs to test xubuntu lubuntu 16.04 and many vm derivative flavours today :) &report back.
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[09:18] <MSponge> me too !
[09:18] <MSponge> I'm at dads places this morning.
[09:19] <MSponge> Found an old book with a copy of 12.04 in the back , So I booted into DVD .. and I've arrived :)
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:21] <MSponge> Still couldn't get empathy to play ball with IRC .. so I used freenode webchat.
[09:22] <MSponge> They must have been a_lot of pissed off ubuntu users in 2012 ... is all I can say.
[09:22] <MSponge> What time did you wake up ?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> 5h30, sunday, european time
[09:25] <MSponge> i got up sometime after four GMT time
[09:25] <MSponge> Its the winter equinox today - know that ?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> tomorrow 21 march
[09:26] <flocculant> today here
[09:27] <MSponge> its today here too .. all day !
[09:27] <flocculant> ha ha
[09:28] <flocculant> personally I'd rather it was today all week
[09:34] <MSponge> flocculant: i was talking to you yesterday on xubuntu .. I went to racketball in the morning :)
[09:34] <flocculant> yep I remember :)
[09:35] <flocculant> mmm
[09:35] <flocculant> rather I remember someone sponge talking about that :p
[09:36] <MSponge> yes, I hurt me left foot, but better now.
[09:49] <cartman> hello
[09:49] <cartman> i'm on last 16.04 ubuntu
[09:49] <cartman> but my autologin doesn't work
[09:50] <cartman> how to fix it ?
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> what does it do
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> cartman: upgrade or clean install?
[09:52] <cartman> when i check the button autologin and i restart I have to put my password again. And if i see parameters, it returns to false/uncheck
[09:52] <cartman> it's a clear install with full iso
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> cartman: ok sounds like a bug
[09:53] <cartman> yes
[09:53] <cartman> but do i have to report it ? and to... ??
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> !bug | cartman
[09:53] <MSponge> cartman: whats your laptop spec ?
[09:53] <cartman> dell PP39L
[09:54] <cartman> dual core, hd4570...
[09:55] <MSponge> don't know that one .. sounds common enough thou ;)
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> cartman: could try create new user and test autologin from there
[09:58] <cartman> yes i can try
[10:03] <MSponge> Just listening to wilco .. nice.
[10:06]  * MSponge wonders if cartman filled bugs ?
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> maybe he testing it with reboot
[10:06] <MSponge> right-oh
[10:07] <cartman> the 'test' user don't work too
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> ok
[10:07] <cartman> the autologin doesn't work
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> bug to the rescue then cartman
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> and describe your steps taking, details, logs etc
[10:08] <cartman> this is only for stable realease
[10:08] <cartman> Reporting an application crash in the stable release
[10:08] <MSponge> How do you add a list of software in a bigger PPA that you've got privately on launchpad, so you can auto-install all stuff after install, like you want it ?
[10:11] <cartman> there is no 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package'], in crashdb.conf
[10:11] <cartman> on 16.04
[10:12] <cartman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:13] <cartman> help ?
[10:15]  * MSponge gives carman a bouyancey aid.
[10:16] <cartman> haha
[10:16] <MSponge> cartman, How heavy are you ? I am 21 stone :)
[10:16] <cartman> 25
[10:17] <MSponge> just keep kicking those little feet ;-)
[10:17] <MSponge> how nice to meet someone like me :)
[10:18] <cartman> lol
[10:18] <cartman> you are a sponge remember that
[10:18] <MSponge> magic sponge .. i get used with the oranges at half time :)
[10:20] <cartman> ;)
[10:32] <ren0v0> Hey, still no standard unity flavour release in beta?
[10:33] <ren0v0> Why are there MATE/GNOME versions etc but not the actually standard ubuntu?
[10:37] <flocculant> ren0v0: because Ubuntu don't join in till Final Beta
[10:37] <ren0v0> orly
[10:37] <ren0v0> why? if its the one being released why wouldn't it participate in testing, thats silly no?
[10:41] <flocculant> no idea - not that bothered - don't use Ubuntu ;)
[12:47] <cartman> I have little problem about language of my ubuntu 16.04
[12:47] <cartman> how to choose my language
[13:01] <steven> k1l_: I get it, seriously tho I was not offensive in any way. I had a simple question and instead of saying not supported you guys start to lecture me like I have no clue what I am doing and when I say I am well aware of what I am doing you tell I am wrong and you mute me?
[13:01] <steven> this is your "support"?
[13:01] <k1l_> steven: no
[13:02] <steven> yes thats literally what happened, a simple "we dont support unreleased versions yet, please asked in #ubuntu+1 would be appropriate
[13:02] <k1l_> steven: you were argumenting all users should use 16.04 already because its "smart". while coming to the support because 16.04 isnt working like expected.
[13:02] <steven> telling me I should use something else because "its beta" instead is not "support"
[13:03] <k1l_> its not released yet. and so its not in the focus of 3rd party package makers, since its still possible that stuff changes and such 3rd party packages need to be redone. so they just wait to the release to not have to redo all the work over and over again
[13:03] <steven> I did not, I said I am running it cos its 4 weeks ish before a release and running it now is stable enough and easier to maintain than a dist upgrade from 1404, I did not tell "all users" to run it
[13:03] <steven> you just putting words in my mouth
[13:03] <steven> but tl;dr I am not gonna ask in #ubuntu again cos I figured its not where one should ask ;)
[13:04] <k1l_> i know that answers are not what you wanted to here. but that are the facts. so stop blaming others now for the situation you put yourself in.
[13:04] <steven> what? dude I simply asked what the difference between the versions is and if one could just install a 1510 package and upgrade it when 1604 is released without breaking it
[13:05] <steven> sorry, my desktops run arch, I dont have to deal with those versioning problems, I get it, one said it wouldnt be a smart idea so I accept it and just wait a couple more weeks
[13:11] <penguin42> hmm, KDE doesn't want to start today
[13:13] <k1l_> penguin42: its sunday, give it a day off ;p
[13:13] <penguin42> dmesg
[13:13] <penguin42> oops
[13:13] <penguin42> k1l_: I gave it the morning off!
[13:15] <MSponge> penguin42: Just not sure wat to-do w/ the afternoons :)
[13:19]  * penguin42 reports it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kinit/+bug/1559700
[13:39] <hadeswatch3r> So you can now move the launcher in 16.04...
[13:39] <hadeswatch3r> how does one do that ... ?
[13:40] <k1l_> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[13:40] <hadeswatch3r> Nice..
[13:40] <hadeswatch3r> Thanks k1l_
[13:42] <hadeswatch3r> and to put it back ?
[13:42] <hadeswatch3r> if you wanted.. ?
[13:42] <k1l_> left instead of bottom?
[13:43] <hadeswatch3r> yeah.
[13:43] <hadeswatch3r> I tried the obvious...
[13:43] <hadeswatch3r> says that the value is outside of the valid range.
[13:44] <hadeswatch3r> Tried, right, top, left, and default.... all with the value is outside ..
[13:45] <k1l_> did it move to the bottom?
[13:45] <hadeswatch3r> Yes it did go to the bottom...
[13:46] <hadeswatch3r> I want to put it back now.. the sticky edge does not work... hud still goes top ..
[13:53] <hadeswatch3r> Any idea how to put it back?
[13:57] <k1l_> wait i will look what the setting is on my box
[13:57] <k1l_> "Left"
[13:57] <k1l_> case sensitive it seems
[14:08] <Bookman900> Hi guys
[14:08] <Bookman900> Guys, I've got a serious problem with 4.4.0-14-generic and radeon r600 graphics (on 16.04),and when my laptop uses AC power, it's okay. When i unplug, I hit a freeze, and video seems to be broken down
[14:08] <hadeswatch3r> lol
[14:08] <hadeswatch3r> k1l_ ... right you are... thanks.
[14:09] <Bookman900> This is something like in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1651312
[14:09] <Bookman900> But my boot is okay in battery and AC powers
[14:11] <Bookman900> how to fix that?
[14:11] <Bookman900> Downgrading the kernel?
[14:12] <k1l_> does it work with an older kernel build in grub?
[14:13] <Bookman900> Am...I haven't check that yet...
[14:13] <Bookman900> How to check? I mean, how to boot with grub menu?
[14:14] <k1l_> reboot and press left shift
[14:15] <Bookman900> Because ok thx...I'll check then
[14:21] <Bookman900> Well, win 4.4.0-13-generic the same problem...looking at 12-th version
[14:22] <Bookman900> No, the same
[14:23] <Bookman900> My CPU is AMD ZM-82 and Radion HD3650
[14:24] <Bookman900> As soon as I un-plug from AC power, it seems that GPU cannot pick up energy, and as a result I get an infernity freeze
[14:29] <Bookman900> Any suggestion?
[14:29] <Bookman900> Or just to go to the current LTS release?
[15:27] <k1l_> seems like apt on cli cant update, but the update-manager still can. i really thought it was just a warning, and not an error that the sha1 is dropped
[15:40] <flocculant> k1l_: I still seem to be seeing only a warning - had a xubuntu I installed yesterday - just added one of our dev ppa's - updated, got the warning, then upgraded some of our dev versions
[17:31] <alnr> since upgrading, supervisor package doesnt seem to start automatically on bootup. any known issue there?
[17:34] <ChibaPet> So, I have to say, Unity is nice. I've got it installed on my stepsons' machines and they're quite fond of it. Putting it on the wife's and brother-in-law's computers now.
[17:34] <ikonia> supervisor ? why is supervisor installed, systemd will deal with that
[17:34] <ChibaPet> Stuff "just works" where it was nearly impossible to achieve with Gnome.
[17:35] <ChibaPet> ikonia: Legacy packages I'd guess.
[17:35] <ikonia> try starting supervisor manually see if you get any error, look in the syslog / journal and see what is says
[17:35] <alnr> had supervisor for some years to start my own processes
[17:36] <alnr> it seems to start fine with /etc/init.d/supervisor start. just not on boot
[17:36] <ChibaPet> alnr: Now is the glad time when you can dive into systemd unit files. :P
[17:36] <alnr> hah. i guess so :|
[17:37] <alnr> that or be lazy and let #supervisor tell me
[17:37] <ChibaPet> That's the better option.
[17:37] <ChibaPet> I still need to figure out where a mysterious 90-second timemout is defined. I'm guessing it's baked into a nameless binary somewhere.
[17:38] <ChibaPet> Oh. I think I might actually have found it. =cough=
[17:39] <ChibaPet> It is baked into a binary, but can be overridden.
[17:39] <ChibaPet> in /etc/systemd/system.conf
[17:39] <ChibaPet> I guess I'll try it.
[17:40] <jonascj> Hi all. I have booted the Ubuntu 16 daily live disk and I am trying to setup LVM. "ls -l /dev/sda*" shows me I have /dev/sda1 (efi system partition) and /dev/sda2 (for lvm), but "pvcreate /dev/sda2" tells me "Can not open /dev/sda2 exclusively. Mounted filesystem?"
[17:40] <ChibaPet> jonascj: Can you put the output of "mount" in bpaste.net?
[17:41] <jonascj> /dev/sda2 should not be mounted, "mount" list no /dev/sda2 mount points, but I'll post it :)
[17:41] <ChibaPet> It thinks it's mounted, though. Curious.
[17:44] <jonascj> https://bpaste.net/show/f7253b6693e9
[17:45] <ChibaPet> jonascj: It's not part of a RAID, is it? sda2?
[17:45] <ChibaPet> If it's not actually mounted, maybe MD has it...?
[17:45] <ChibaPet> And if it's not that, it's Even More Mysterious.
[17:46] <ChibaPet> (cat /proc/mdstat for clues there, just to be thorough)
[17:47] <jonascj> nope, I've just freshly made a new GPT with gdisk, made new partitions etc.: https://bpaste.net/show/20633987b719
[17:48] <jonascj> I've read people saying "do 'mdsetup remove_all'" but 'mdsetup status' say no devices
[17:48] <ChibaPet> mdadm --stop works too, FWIW, but if there's nothing listed in mdstat, definitely nothing is running that would get in the way.
[17:49] <jonascj> /proc/mdstat says "Unused devices: <none>"
[17:49] <ChibaPet> Can you pastebin the pvcreate interaction too, please? Just to see it?
[17:49] <penguin42> perhaps lsof /dev/sda2   - although it wouldn't show a mount
[17:50] <ChibaPet> jonascj: Just for kicks, run "partprobe" in there too before trying pvcreate agaain...?
[17:52] <jonascj> I'm just trying gdisk again, but upon pressing "O" -> "Y" it says "This option deletes all ... and Creates a new protective MBR". Why would gdisk, with O-option being "Create new empty GPT table" say "MBR" in a message to me?
[17:52] <ChibaPet> You have an MBR in each scheme.
[17:53] <jonascj> even in the GPT scheme?
[17:53] <ChibaPet> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[17:54] <jonascj> https://bpaste.net/show/3cb9af5b26e9 for pvcreate
[17:55] <ChibaPet> Can you run the partprobe, for kicks? And then try it again?
[17:56] <ChibaPet> BRB, going to try to address this systemd timeout fusterclück. If I'm not right back I'm busy with rescue media. (This stuff is crazily fragile.)
[17:57] <jonascj> partprobe gives no output
[17:58] <jonascj> ah, partprobe refreshes the partition tables used
[18:05] <jonascj> okay, i redid gdisk for the 4th time, rebooted for the 4th time before trying pvcreate and now it succeeded
[18:05] <jonascj> so somehow I remembered something this time around compared to the other times, very fustrating. Thanks for the debug help
[18:08] <ChibaPet> jonascj: partprobe ought to have roughly the same effect as rebooting - or was it something else?
[18:09] <jonascj> I think I have done the same 4 times over now, "boot live disk -> gdisk create new table and new partitions -> reboot -> try pvcreate + debug"
[18:09] <ChibaPet> Fun.
[18:09] <jonascj> One of the debug sessions involved tryin partprobe but pvcreate didn't work afterwards. Then I tried the whole thing a 4th time (no part probe after rebooting) and it worked, I don't know what was wrong :S
[18:10] <ChibaPet> The thing that bites me is re-using disks that previously had MD-RAID on them, where i have to go in and stop the RAIDs manually for the installer to come out from under its bed.
[18:11] <ChibaPet> So, FWIW, this feels like a 200-level CIS homework exercise made flesh, but evidently you can create /etc/systemd/system.conf.d and have snippets in there. They must declare the [Manager] block, though. It's high ceremony.
[18:11] <ChibaPet> There's no other possible block that I can see, thus making any declaration of a block pretty questionable, but there it is. I've removed the thorn of failed service stops now. =cheers=
[18:56] <MSponge> What option do we have for loading inside windows ?
[19:12] <mat083> you can use a virtual machine
[19:13] <mat083> or a live cd or dvd
[19:26] <MSponge> Can the welcome screen with all the shortcuts be improved in any way ? I think it can, ya know.
[21:11] <jonascj> If I need to load additional vfio modules "at boot" can I get away with just adding them to /etc/modules ? Or do I need to add the to appropriate config files and remake initramfs?
[21:38] <penguin42> jonascj: It depends, if you need them to be available for the initrd - like if you're root is on the vfio device  then you'll need to get it into the initramfs
[21:39] <penguin42> jonascj: I think you can just add those to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules  and rebuild the initramfs - but I'm not sure what magic you need to do to configure those devices
[21:45] <boern> hey i have a problem with video playback in chrome/firefox (html5&flash).. i have little stutter from time to time when i watch a video.. do you know how to fix this? i am running on ubuntu 16.04, but i had this issue on linux mint 17.3 as well
[22:00] <jushur> boern: what dgx driver do you use?
[22:00] <jushur> dgx/gfx
[22:23] <vertago1> anyone having trouble with sddm crashing at startup if you use nvidia optimus?