[00:00] <daftykins> nice discount on synology DS215j 2 bay NASs right now
[00:01] <daftykins> (on amazon)
[00:08] <popey> https://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2016/03/msg00103.html UbuntuBSD anyone? :)
[00:11] <diddledan> popey, whaaa?
[00:11] <popey> indeed
[00:12] <diddledan> the question is have they got copyright usage grant from canonical :-p
[00:13] <diddledan> I'd have called it BSDtutu
[00:13] <diddledan> because TUTUs!
[00:14] <daftykins> Desmond!
[00:28] <m0nkey_> ooh, new BSD :)
[00:29] <diddledan> eww. that ubuntubsd is hosted on sourceforge
[00:30] <m0nkey_> ehhhh
[00:31] <popey> Someone on the debian list asked about trademarks and I think the question was ignored
[00:39] <diddledan> that email thread appears to be getting political: "Due to Ubuntu being heavily based on Debian, they chose to change to systemd going forward; I'm not sure if that has changed or not, but the strength of Debian selling out to systemd, well, that sold out Ubuntu as well."
[00:41] <daftykins> good ol' nerd in-fighting
[00:43] <diddledan> love the terrible wording of this tweet that the ubuntubsd twitter retweeted: "Due to Ubuntu being heavily based on Debian, they chose to change to systemd going forward; I'm not sure if that has changed or not, but the strength of Debian selling out to systemd, well, that sold out Ubuntu as well." <-- err, Linux userland? is there even such a thing?
[00:43] <diddledan> bad paste
[00:43] <diddledan> let me try again: "#UbuntuBSD: the unquestionably legal way to get #ZFS on a Linux userland."
[00:44] <diddledan> more appropriate wording might have been "GNU userland" or even better "debian userland"
[00:45] <daftykins> whilst you're having that convo you can talk to amazon about their computers with Gb of RAM and Tb of storage
[00:45] <daftykins> ;)
[00:46] <diddledan> eww
[00:46] <diddledan> gigabits?!
[00:46] <diddledan> and terrible bits?
[00:46] <diddledan> !!
[00:46] <diddledan> or are Gb giant-bits
[00:47] <diddledan> gargantuan bits?
[00:47] <diddledan> growable bits?
[00:49] <daftykins> when it's all lowercase i enjoy the idea of gramme bits
[00:50] <diddledan> all lowercase is horrid when people write "mb" .. milibits?
[00:51] <daftykins> yeah :D maybe millibars
[00:54] <diddledan> or even just "maybe bytes?"
[00:54] <diddledan> combined with a shrugging action
[00:54] <daftykins> now that'd be tough notation!
[00:54] <daftykins> ooh i finally learnt the other day that there are always errant "J"s at the end of emails because folks who use Outlook get a smiley apparently
[00:55] <daftykins> how foolish considering we're not all slaves to MS office just to read strings of text
[00:55] <diddledan> I try to use plaintext where possible for email
[00:55] <diddledan> preferably wrapped at terminal width :-p
[00:56] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:56] <daftykins> speaking of wrap, i'm going to unwrap a doughnut!
[00:56] <diddledan> mmmmm
[00:56] <diddledan> http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/7/7f/Mmm.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194537
[01:01] <diddledan> nice fanart: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7b/c3/7f/7bc37fa140dfd55fe655d9bac266558d.jpg
[01:02] <daftykins> hrmm
[01:09] <daftykins> ah this laptop is amazing, 77% battery, 14hrs remaining
[03:05] <mappps> hi
[03:05] <daftykins> mornin' mr.mappps
[03:05] <mappps> morning
[03:05] <daftykins> moar p's than you can shake a stick at
[03:05] <daftykins> http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/20/11265552/find-stolen-android-phone-track-samsung-galaxy-mexico
[03:05] <mappps> another rubbish night:)
[03:05] <daftykins> here's some shocking tech reporting
[03:06] <mappps> i was talking russian, girl asks if im from there
[03:06] <mappps> not at all
[03:07] <daftykins> actual russian? :)
[03:07] <mappps> her mate says he can speak it, so i said ok..np..speak to me
[03:07] <mappps> then he started getting angry
[03:07] <mappps> no
[03:07] <mappps> my mum was Ukranian
[03:09] <daftykins> angry o0
[03:09] <mappps> not me
[03:09] <mappps> he sounded stupid when i said speak then:
[03:09] <mappps> but he wouldnt
[03:10] <daftykins> strange times!
[03:10] <daftykins> i finished X-Files s10 off earlier
[03:10] <mappps> peoele like to lie
[03:10] <daftykins> what a big letdown
[03:11] <mappps> told you
[03:11] <mappps> it sucked
[03:11] <daftykins> mmhmm
[03:11] <mappps> it did
[03:12] <daftykins> that's me agreeing :D
[03:12] <daftykins> ok i think i'm going to call it a night, probably be some stuff to do tomorrow :)
[03:13] <daftykins> nn chap o/
[07:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:04] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon ?
[08:04] <brobostigon> half asleep, slept really badly, and you?
[08:06] <MooDoo> brobostigon: not too bad, glad it's only a 4 day week :D
[08:16] <brobostigon> :)
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:17] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 ow am ya?
[09:24]  * knightwise has the flu
[09:24] <knightwise> sitting at work trying not to shiver
[09:24] <MooDoo> knightwise: go home, if it's what I had, you'll be zonked out by dinner!
[09:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: raced off my feet and I only just started, other than that good, and caravan is on it's pitch ready for Friday \o/, you?
[09:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: just looking at booking a week in aug, so we can go for a week in bakewell :D
[09:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: and yes i'm rushed as well, just had to reboot out ubuntu intranet :)
[09:34] <knightwise> MooDoo: i've spent the entire day yesterday on the couch alreaddy
[09:53] <MooDoo> knightwise: i had 2 days off, went back on the third day and regrested it lol
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> we've all had our regrests... :-)
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: Go home. Infecting your colleagues won't help. Unless it's that guy from accounting....he deserves it!
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> Also, you don't have the flu. If you had the flu, you'd know about it.
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Book July 31st to Aug 7th and come to the LinuxBierWanderung on the Isle of Man.
[10:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Common Courtesy Day! 😃
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> dems fighting words...
[10:40]  * knightwise is a freelancer : No work = no pay
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> then sleep under a desk and claim to be checking for a faulty cable if woken/disturbed... :-)
[10:53] <diplo> Anyone use MATE in here ?
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> the beverage or the software... :-)
[10:57] <diplo> The beverage ?
[10:58] <diplo> Didn't know there was one by that name :D
[10:58] <diplo> Just wondering wondering if anyone can recommend a app launcher via super key
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate usually referred to just mate by those i hear who drink a _lot_ of it...
[11:03] <diplo> :) - appears to sell in the UK but never seen it
[11:04] <knightwise> diplo: kupfer !
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> hacker space in dublin constantly runs out... and then orders a huge amount...
[11:05] <diplo> Cheers knightwise, installing now
[12:01] <awilkins> Club-Mate have a .co.uk
[12:01] <awilkins> Their online shop is out of 500 and 330ml bottles
[12:02] <awilkins> Boo
[12:02] <awilkins> They have the Winter Edition
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> they do seem to have a hard time keeping stock in here too...
[12:02] <awilkins> With extra spices
[12:03] <awilkins> And the pomegranate one
[12:03] <awilkins> Was gonna order a crate for the hackspace
[12:04] <awilkins> Seeing as all the cool kids drink it
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> to get them hooked? :-)
[12:04] <awilkins> Not tried it
[12:04] <awilkins> But we have one member who goes on about the dry tea version
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> they all seem to come back from c3 with a taste for the stuff...
[12:19]  * awilkins signed up for an email notifier of stock
[12:20] <awilkins> Wonder what the shipping is
[12:20] <awilkins> https://open.spotify.com/track/0NcYJeUQMTvVIZGGduJWX3
[13:18] <awilkins> What's the Crabb bollocks?
[13:23] <foobarry> ahem
[13:28] <awilkins> Ah, wrong channel. Apologies for out of turn language.
[14:03] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: But now we're all curious....
[14:04] <awilkins> Oh, just Crabb already coming out with stuff about Work Related Activity Group
[14:04] <TwistedLucidity> Oh....b-o-r-i-n-g-!
[14:04] <awilkins> https://www.facebook.com/StephenCrabbPembs/posts/1123686301014718
[14:04] <awilkins> "These people are in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG) and they do have a disability or illness but are able to work."
[14:05] <awilkins> Whereas I believe that the DWPs own letter for that explicitly says "You're not fit for work"
[14:08] <TwistedLucidity> If I those words are true, will we see the various contracts removed from Atos?
[14:08] <TwistedLucidity> I have a mate with a back injury. Atos keeps approving him for work, he goes to the doctor, then appeals and Atos get told off.
[14:09] <TwistedLucidity> He's stated that next time he's going to take their job, end up in hospital and then sue.
[14:09] <TwistedLucidity> I can't imagine his doctor is pleased with this strategy...
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> Still, it'll all be water under the bridge once we have AI super-robots to do all the work for us and we only need to "work" about 4 hours a week. Glorious, technological utopia!
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> Nothing can go wrong.
[14:34] <ujjain> what is the line called that you use with a needle to repair something?
[14:35] <popey> thread
[14:42] <foobarry> just received my free privacy filter \o/
[14:42] <foobarry> think these cost around 30-40 quid usually
[14:43] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: What's one of them, then?
[14:43] <foobarry> those polaroid thingies
[14:45] <TwistedLucidity> Ooo, for the screen? Luckily for me Lenovo screens are so bad you can barely read them when you are sat in front of them, let alone off to the side.
[14:45] <foobarry> to stop shoulder surfers
[14:45] <TwistedLucidity> It's a feature!
[14:46] <diplo>  My  privacy filter is telling them to not very politely leave :D
[14:46] <foobarry> ok i admit its for surfing irc in meetings
[14:47] <diplo> :P
[14:47] <diplo> Honesty prevails
[15:05] <zmoylan-pi> can't you just knit a balaclava that fits over your head and the screen and not be weird? :-P
[15:16] <zmoylan-pi> or just buy one... http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/01/laptop-compubody-sock-gives-you-privacy-as-you-work/
[15:21] <davmor2> it's nice to have a gui back
[15:22]  * zmoylan-pi consoles my console
[15:23] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yeap I use a terminal most of the day for running things, but hexchat and a browser and email client and..... are much nicer in a gui :)
[15:59] <diplo>  Does hexchat let you tile windows davmor2 ?
[16:00] <davmor2> diplo: how do you mean?
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> multiple windows inside the app?
[16:01] <diplo> Just found the website and it doesn't look like it..
[16:01] <diplo> yup
[16:01] <davmor2> diplo: you can have tab and tree views
[16:01] <diplo> I miss that from mIRC days, can sort of do it with irssi
[16:02] <diplo> I just used to like viewing convos in multiple channels without having to swap :)
[16:22] <diddledan> I believe quassel does that
[16:24] <diddledan> or you could not emulate mirc in wine
[16:24] <diplo> hehe just read that
[16:24] <diddledan> (wine is not an emaulator, so you're "not emulating" :-p)
[16:24] <diplo> heh not *that* bothered :)
[16:31] <zmoylan-pi> there must be hundreds of irc clients... a few must do it
[16:31] <diplo> Not really
[16:33] <diddledan> ooh, I forgot about apple
[16:33]  * diddledan fires-up a streaming window
[16:34] <diddledan> starts in 25
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> the new small iphone will be a giant new iwatch... :-)
[16:34] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, maybe they'll just release a strap for an iphone6plus to attach it to your wrist?
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> you too can be like leela in futurama...
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> just less cool
[16:39] <diddledan> hmm, I think I need to reboot to watch the keynote
[16:39] <diddledan> needs win10+edge
[16:39] <diddledan> I could fish-out my ipad I guess
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> not much pre show speculation on this unveiling
[16:41]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if we are going to be surprised
[16:47] <diddledan> hah. they're running beats1 in the stream over the static image placeholder
[16:48] <daftykins> i noticed that :>
[16:48] <daftykins> i'm watching from Edge! for once non-Apple devices are allowed to be underwhelmed too
[16:52] <mapps> billions is so good
[16:52] <mapps> the show
[16:52] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:53] <diddledan> I ordered a pair of yubikeys earlier today - arriving tomorrow hopefully
[16:53] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[16:54] <diddledan> yey for amazon prime :-p
[16:54] <daftykins> i saw cheap cadburys creme eggs on amazon earlier!
[16:54] <diddledan> :-o
[16:54] <diddledan> last year's fake recipe?
[16:54] <daftykins> they were an addon item though so you can't just buy them on their own :(
[16:54] <sebsebseb> I just seen something interesting
[16:55] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01AWTNO92
[16:55] <popey> sebsebseb: pong
[16:55] <daftykins> creme eggs for all!
[16:55] <popey> diabetes for all!
[16:55] <sebsebseb> popey: heh just saw something interesting that your CEO tweeted about Jane
[16:56] <diddledan> wow that is cheap compared to 24 and 48 egg packs
[16:57] <daftykins> diddledan: i had to stop myself buying an item just to allow me to buy the creme eggs (as it's an add-on item, can't be bought on its' own)
[16:57] <daftykins> and sadly you can't just buy 5 either ;)
[16:57] <popey> sebsebseb: our CEO _IS_ Jane
[16:57] <daftykins> perhaps it was self referential ;D
[16:57] <sebsebseb> popey: yes  the Canonial one
[16:57] <sebsebseb> popey: anyway this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nexdock-the-world-s-most-affordable-laptop--2/x/4233804#/
[16:58] <sebsebseb> that makes sense, plug in various devices  tablets phones, etc, and then get a lap top basically
[16:58] <diddledan> I'm confused. canonical's CEO is Jane.
[16:59] <sebsebseb> diddledan: I think he meant Canonical not just him personally heh, but I meant Canonical all along
[16:59] <diddledan> sebsebseb, are you maybe confused sabdfl for someone who is in charge?
[16:59] <sebsebseb> diddledan: he's not CEO anymore
[17:00] <diddledan> sebsebseb, I know. you said the canonical ceo tweeted about jane. but jane IS the canonical ceo
[17:00] <sebsebseb> diddledan: no I meant Jane the Canonical CEO tweeted about this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nexdock-the-world-s-most-affordable-laptop--2/x/4233804#/
[17:00] <popey> he never was ceo
[17:00] <diddledan> ^ that
[17:00] <daftykins> that nexdock won't work because it'll require people buying windows 10 smartphones ;D
[17:00] <popey> Anyway, yes, I have seen nexdock
[17:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: no I think it works with anything
[17:00] <popey> it works with non-windows
[17:01] <daftykins> well lets not let facts get in the way of an amusing statement
[17:01] <sebsebseb> daftykins: altough it did sound like they were selling it like you can do WIndows 10 on this, if that's what you eant
[17:01] <sebsebseb> meant
[17:02] <daftykins> nah i just wanted to tease Microsoft's ailing mobile platform
[17:02] <diddledan> Tim Cook's on-stage
[17:02] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah can plug in those Remi Mini's as well, and RASSBERY PI'S, and tablets and phones and yeah, looks useful :)
[17:03] <popey> yeah, doesn't look like it will hit the target
[17:03] <sebsebseb> apparantly it's llike connecting a device to a TV, but yes one that has it's own screen, and mouse and keyboard
[17:03] <daftykins> diddledan: wow it has a fullscreen button!
[17:03] <sebsebseb> well it's on like 60% and there's a month left so maybe
[17:03] <popey> I can see a use for it among nerds
[17:04] <popey> not so much among the mass populace
[17:04] <sebsebseb> yes amoung nerds/geeks that's us though isn't it :d ?
[17:04] <daftykins> i feel that convergence devices would be 'fun' but ultimately not decent enough to really get anything done
[17:04] <popey> sure
[17:04] <popey> you need more than nerds to make it viable
[17:04] <popey> jump that chasm
[17:05] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I think convergence will be interesting, but  be mainly for geeks/nerds to
[17:05] <sebsebseb> not the main streame
[17:05] <diddledan> daftykins, for now. in the future with ever-more powerful and small devices it might be more compelling
[17:05] <popey> we'll see :)
[17:05] <daftykins> the specs are definitely jumping at a miraculous pace but eh, who knows
[17:05] <sebsebseb> the specs of what?
[17:06] <daftykins> smartphones
[17:06] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu ones ?
[17:06] <daftykins> i do not consider there to be any
[17:06] <diddledan> I want a squid-core cpu
[17:06] <daftykins> i'm talking about all smartphones
[17:06] <diddledan> (octopus)
[17:06] <daftykins> i've begun to see that convenience always wins out over sensible techie angles anyway
[17:07] <diddledan> nice stat there from apple
[17:07] <diddledan> 93% renewable worldwide eneergy use by apple facilities
[17:09] <sebsebseb> popey: you want nexdock :d ?
[17:09] <daftykins> apple data centres might well be powered by these sources, but what about the fact that most of their backend infrastructure is in AWS or Azure?
[17:10] <diddledan> they're also in google cloud
[17:11] <diddledan> I expect they're using azure too but I don't have any knowledge of that
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> i thought apple was powered by smugness? :-)
[17:13] <popey> sebsebseb: not really
[17:14] <sebsebseb> popey: why not got lots of TV's to plug  things in anyway :d ?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> and monitors
[17:14] <popey> i have no need for it right now
[17:14] <popey> maybe in the future
[17:14] <popey> and it is too low res IMO
[17:15] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah I remember what you said to me before about that particular res, how it was apparatly bad etc
[17:15] <sebsebseb> altough thisl ap top has that and been ok
[17:15] <popey> it's 2016, 1366x768 needs to die
[17:15] <daftykins> 1366x768 is indeed the devil res, also a cheap and nasty TN panel, eww
[17:16] <sebsebseb> Tn Panel?
[17:16] <sebsebseb> and the device is some CHINESE made thing, so I guess may not be that great really ,but good enough for what it dos
[17:16] <diddledan> twisty numerics
[17:16] <sebsebseb> does
[17:17] <daftykins> twisted neumatic is the type of LCD where the colours wash out when you aren't looking at them straight on, horrible looking and horrible to use
[17:17] <sebsebseb> oh
[17:18] <sebsebseb> I am a bit hmm to crowd funindg now, since it seems I have lost money on one, since the guy behind that one got silly etc...
[17:19]  * popey checks his spreadsheet
[17:19] <popey> I've crowdfunded 50 things it seems
[17:19]  * diddledan giggles at popey's prolific crowd funding
[17:19] <sebsebseb> popey: really you done 50
[17:19] <sebsebseb> I only done like three so far
[17:19] <popey> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_--0TYP3TD7i6dPnJmB9oB66iuU9_qS7ApBtKTS8bug/edit#gid=0
[17:19] <popey> you can probably see that sheet
[17:20] <sebsebseb> popey: I need premssion
[17:20] <sebsebseb> can request access
[17:20] <sebsebseb> to your spread sheet
[17:20] <popey> fixed
[17:21] <popey> just refresh
[17:21] <popey> anyone can view I think
[17:22] <popey> yes, checked in an incognito window
[17:22] <diddledan> CareKit not to be confused with CarKit
[17:22] <popey> or indeed Car KITT
[17:23] <diddledan> !!
[17:23] <daftykins> "Michael, i'm still under NDA"
[17:23] <sebsebseb> popey: that's interesting
[17:23] <sebsebseb> popey: that you kept a log of it like that as well heh
[17:23] <popey> there's data missing
[17:23] <popey> when I get a spare moment I will fill in the columns at the end
[17:23] <sebsebseb> popey: have you lost money to any of this crowd funding for any reason?  lost as in it's been paid for, but you didn't get something back for it for whatever reason
[17:23] <diddledan> wasn't Kitt voiced by Mr Belding(spellign?) from saved by the bell?
[17:24]  * sebsebseb glad I didn't pay even more money to that guy, he was trying to get more out of me since...
[17:24] <popey> only one I think
[17:25] <sebsebseb> which one was that?
[17:25] <popey> oh, no a few
[17:25] <sebsebseb> oh a few oh
[17:25] <sebsebseb> why?
[17:26] <popey> The Firefox OS stick thing, I got a refund though
[17:26] <sebsebseb> ok refund that's ok
[17:26] <sebsebseb> and yep Jolla tablet re fund coming soon
[17:26] <sebsebseb> well half of it
[17:26] <sebsebseb> then the next later
[17:26] <popey> hah
[17:27] <sebsebseb> why hah? it's ok,  having that money back means I can spend it on other tech instead :d
[17:27] <daftykins> that will also fall flat :D
[17:27] <sebsebseb> daftykins: what if it's crowd funded?
[17:27] <daftykins> what if what? i have no idea what you're asking
[17:28] <sebsebseb> or you mean JOlla coing out with the sedcond batch of re fund money as well llike they have  said
[17:28] <popey> sebsebseb: don't take everything daftykins says seriously. he's joking :)
[17:28] <sebsebseb> popey: did you see that Ubuntu device  that was being crowd funded? an unoffical one
[17:28] <sebsebseb> but the idea was to have like an Ubuntu lap top, that would then get Ubuntu touch later
[17:28] <popey> mj one?
[17:28] <sebsebseb> yep that
[17:29] <daftykins> popey: ta!
[17:29] <sebsebseb> popey: I think I won't bother with that, and just get the offical Ubuntu BQ tablet instead, however  the hardware specs are meant to be better on the mj
[17:29] <popey> hardware specs on non-existent devices are often great, yes.
[17:30] <sebsebseb> heh yeah I suppouse
[17:30] <daftykins> vapourware can be amazing :>
[17:30] <sebsebseb> and yeah they  had a prototype maybe I don't ermember now quite, but they were still crowd fudnign something, that may not work out
[17:30] <popey> I have no idea if the MJ one has trademark approval
[17:30] <sebsebseb> popey: I guess it's Thursday for the BQ tablet is actsaully ready for sale now annoucmenet maybe heh.  apparnatly one of the Meizu devices got cancalle since an equathquake to I read somd where
[17:31] <popey> not heard that
[17:31] <sebsebseb> apparnatly that other Ubuntu touch device crowd funded form the other year was a scam to, but I think that went actsaully on sale some where, I was reaidng something the other day
[17:31] <diddledan> sounds like the rumours of a cheap ipwn are true
[17:31] <sebsebseb> a cheap what?
[17:32] <popey> iPhone SE
[17:33] <popey> 4 inch iphone
[17:33] <sebsebseb> oh right I am not interested in iphone really
[17:33] <sebsebseb> I did get a ipad air for cheapr hten the UK price last year though,  by like half
[17:33] <diddledan> SE = small edition?
[17:34] <popey> If I wanted an iPhone, I'd totally get the SE
[17:34] <sebsebseb> apparnatly we need a LInux phone as well, since some verizen spyware cookie or whatever that was thing I Read about earlier to  heh
[17:37] <daftykins> they were a lot beyond rumours :) i don't know whether they've gotten lax with their security or whether i just see those articles more now
[17:37] <daftykins> (security in terms of leaking future device plans)
[17:38] <popey> more eyeballs on them
[17:41] <daftykins> well most seem to claim it's leaks from the Chinese factories more so
[17:41] <daftykins> must not be breaking enough legs as in Jobs' time
[17:41] <TwistedLucidity> I really need a new phone...bit sure I want another Android one though...
[17:42] <TwistedLucidity> "but not sure"
[17:42] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: Android aww, what's wong with Ubuntu touch
[17:42] <sebsebseb> I did see acstaully that you corrected that to but not sure
[17:42] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: Yeah, typo
[17:42] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: have you got an Ubuntu phone?
[17:42] <daftykins> sebsebseb: is it even finished... :P
[17:42] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: No. Too expensive to shell out for sight-unseen
[17:43] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I don't know ask popey :D heh
[17:43] <TwistedLucidity> And I'd be worried about app availability (sorry popey).
[17:44] <popey> Is any OS ever finished?
[17:44] <diddledan> oh dear. ios 9.3 is launched meaning the internet is going to be slow for the next few hours
[17:44] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: about 140 pounds for the BQ  E5 HD from last year the better of the two BQ ones.  and the Meziu MX 4 no longer sold, but the Meizu Pro 5 should sell for about 200 I guess, and that is a good hardware speced phone it seems
[17:44] <daftykins> popey: bit of a duck ;)
[17:44] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: but yes if you want loads of Android apps, Ubuntu phone isn't realy it at the moment, since there is no compatabilty layour such as in the Jolla phone whicnh you can get for cheap
[17:44] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: Jolla phone is quite good actsaully, but the hardware is more old now
[17:45] <popey> TwistedLucidity: no need to apologise, it's an ongoing issue
[17:45] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Well start whipping them harder! :-D
[17:45] <popey> On it
[17:45] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: Jolla phone runs Salifish OS which is quite nice,  which  is run by Wayland and BTFS even.  yes Jolla has just messed up with the tablet since an invester issue etc,  but it's still a good phone
[17:45] <sebsebseb> plus can run the up dated version of the OS on the phone anyway
[17:46] <sebsebseb> you could get a Firefox OS phone,  but that will run even less app wise than UBuntu phone :d
[17:46] <popey> and it will get no updates at all
[17:46] <sebsebseb> and Mozilla have given up on it as a phone OS, onlhy for other things now, such as the Panasonic TV's
[17:47] <TwistedLucidity> And *actual* GNU/Linux phone removes some issues (e.g. needing an SSH app), other things...err...Emby should be doable quickly enough. But iPlayer?
[17:47] <popey> iplayer works on ubuntu phone
[17:47] <TwistedLucidity> It's the whole chicken/egg issue
[17:47] <popey> missing download function, but streaming works
[17:47] <sebsebseb> still if a Firefox OS phone interests you for about 50 pounds you can find one progbably still on Amzon I think
[17:48] <popey> buying a firefox os phone makes no sense.
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Neat. Did not know. Assumed it was like desktop Linux - no support bar website
[17:48] <popey> it is a website
[17:48] <popey> :)
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> Sneaky bugger
[17:48] <popey> but it works fine, html5
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> It is actually pretty nice.
[17:48] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: a lot ot stuff is web apps with Ubuntu touch, but there are also some nice enough native apps
[17:48] <sebsebseb> but if you want your standard Android apps going to lack that sure
[17:48] <TwistedLucidity> The other channels should have jumped in with the BBC when they had the chance. Best catch-up service ever.
[17:49] <popey> yeah
[17:49] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: I am losing my pathological hatred of webapps. The conditioning must be working
[17:50]  * sebsebseb forgot what that blame popey app actsaully was, so just opended it up again, and yep some pontless thing heh
[17:50] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: but if you like the look of popey for some odd reason,  it has a photo of him heh.  that's a selling point of an Ubuntu Phone right there :d
[17:50] <TwistedLucidity> Anyway, roll on 16.04 and the plethora of new features!
[17:51] <daftykins> new features like being installable on current hardware \o/
[17:51] <TwistedLucidity> LOL
[17:51] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: the new Meizu Ubuntu Phone, seems  like good hardware, but can't quite do convergence
[17:51] <sebsebseb> or not in the standard way
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure if convergence is soemthing I should be mega-excited over, or a passing fad. I mean, it sounds totaly cool...just not sure when I'd use it.
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Scopes though, that's a thing that seems awesome.
[17:52] <sebsebseb> daftykins: and that uhmm file system,  that the debabe is if  Ubuntu is really allowed to have it or not
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Right, I have big bouncy dogs that need walked
[17:52] <TwistedLucidity> Night
[17:53] <daftykins> sebsebseb: ZFS chatter? couldn't care less
[17:53] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yep that
[17:53] <sebsebseb> apparnatly legally it make not be compatiable with some liscenes so
[17:54] <sebsebseb> but also apparnatly is the like best file system that exists
[17:54] <popey> depends which lawyer you ask
[17:54] <sebsebseb> and as a comment on some site basically said, and well Canonical actually has money for lawyers anyway so
[17:55] <sebsebseb> popey: I wasn't suppirsed when I saw that the Free Software Controversy weren't happy about that htough
[17:55] <popey> some were
[17:55] <popey> some weren't
[17:55] <popey> I wouldn't lump all lawyers or all free software developers together
[17:55] <popey> It misrepresents the reaction
[17:55] <sebsebseb> what's the worst thing that can happen, Canonical gets sued for not being compatible with some lissence taken to court?
[17:57] <popey> Not sure that's the worst.
[17:57] <popey> I can think of worse things.
[17:57] <sebsebseb> got to pay up a big fine
[17:57] <popey> But that's for the lawyers.
[17:57] <sebsebseb> that can't  really be paid
[17:57] <sebsebseb> daftykins: why don't you like ZFS chatter?
[18:03] <daftykins> sebsebseb: i just think it's totally irrelevant outside of enterprise level storage (or enthusiast level at home) so why it should be commented on so much is irrelevant to most folks
[18:04] <daftykins> when people came in #ubuntu wanting to run ZFS i suggested going and using a distro where it is supported
[18:04] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yes I see your point, but it's a legal thing that could effect Canonical/Ubuntu more so as a whole I guess, depending on what happens?
[18:04] <sebsebseb> well that is 16.04 soon
[18:04] <daftykins> well i'm not invested in either.
[18:04] <sebsebseb> I think no distros really support it as such since the legal side?
[18:04] <daftykins> nah that's not what i understand
[18:05] <sebsebseb> daftykins: but in general I am like you,  for personal use etc,  file shystem eh, so what really as long as I can open up my files etc :). a ltough  btfs snap shots could be nice to but not used those yet
[18:06] <daftykins> no, i'm not saying that i'm at that level - because i do use, manage and support large RAID arrays
[18:06] <daftykins> but listening to some open source drama in the news about something non-finalised, that's when i feel it's moot to my own interests
[18:07] <sebsebseb> yeah ,but open source world LInux world etc, is full of opinion etc in general
[18:07] <sebsebseb> and people like whining on the Internet about things in general to it seems
[18:08] <sebsebseb> in comments on various blog posts etc
[18:08] <sebsebseb> or the blog posts them selves at times even etc
[18:08] <daftykins> that's why this is one i don't want to touch :)
[18:09] <sebsebseb> but yep some tings are just drama like that really, or mostly
[18:09] <sebsebseb> even uefi was  really not completly but a lot of it before
[18:09] <sebsebseb> uefi secure boot
[18:11] <daftykins> we still get the ones coming in #ubuntu crying about it, but the truth is it's workable in 99% of cases (installing to a machine with secure boot)
[18:11] <sebsebseb> yep indeed
[18:14] <daftykins> hmm seems i might have sorted the sleep issues on this clients' surface pro 4, what a buggy device it's been
[18:15] <sebsebseb> daftykins: hmm with Windowws?
[18:15] <daftykins> well i wouldn't go installing ubuntu on it - that'd be an even worse experience :)
[18:15] <sebsebseb> heh how so?
[18:15] <sebsebseb> but yeah those are pretyt much tighted to Windows I think ?
[18:16] <daftykins> if the EFI has sleep bugs and issues with even Windows, what makes you think Ubuntu would work any good?
[18:16] <daftykins> nah standard EFI controls
[18:16] <sebsebseb> ah right I didn't know about that, I don't really know about the sufface pro 4
[18:16] <sebsebseb> but yes if EFI is going to have issues with even Windows, indeed it's likely to with LInux distros to
[18:16] <daftykins> well even without that, ubuntu tends to work worse on any and all ultraportable or touch-screen devices i think it's fair to say
[18:17] <daftykins> for power management and the like
[18:17] <sebsebseb> really why you think that? is there an exception to it at all then :d, such as  the Ubuntu touch offical devices? bq meizu
[18:17] <daftykins> i should caveat my comments with the point that my angle is always to get really good battery life out of things - and installing any Linux has never worked well imo
[18:20] <sebsebseb> hmm got disconnected there wireless
[18:20] <daftykins> what did you last see?
[18:20] <sebsebseb> for power management and the like
[18:20] <sebsebseb> not sure you got my message
[18:20] <sebsebseb> after that
[18:21] <sebsebseb> [18:17] <sebsebseb> really why you think that? is there an exception to it at all then :d, such as  the Ubuntu touch offical devices? bq meizu
[18:21] <daftykins> i should caveat my comments with the point that my angle is always to get really good battery life out of things - and installing any Linux has never worked well imo <-- i added that bit
[18:22] <sebsebseb> daftykins: Linux on computer on lap tops, and phones via well Andorid or Ubuntu, seems to generally be all fine for me,  and Jolla phone to.  FIrefox phone.  yeah the first bq ubuntu phone had a bad battery life it seems, but other than that.  but yeah you will have differnet devices computers etc, and true Wndows can work better at times for battery
[18:29] <diddledan> o_O
[18:29] <diddledan> Windows phone ftw
[18:30] <sebsebseb> diddledan: yeah totally! :d
[18:42] <ali1234> whats the best website for free online surveys?
[18:42] <ali1234> alternatively which one do you hate the least?
[18:43] <popey> we use surveymonkey, or google forms
[18:45] <ali1234> ah, google forms...
[18:45] <ali1234> might be a good idea. i need to make a survey for someone else and we both have gmail accounts
[18:45] <diddledan> Googley
[18:46]  * diddledan googleys  daftykins
[18:58] <davmor2> diddledan: stop pretending you can bowl
[19:01] <ali1234> surveymonkey's homepage seems to be broken... google forms is nice though
[19:09] <diddledan> my ithingies are updating
[19:12] <daftykins> ;]
[19:12] <davmor2> ipatch it's the prirate of software
[19:47] <daftykins> plundering your booty
[19:47] <daftykins> oops i stole diddledan's line ;D
[20:07] <diddledan> I feel violated
[21:18] <daftykins> diddledan: well you did buy Apple ;D
[21:56] <mapps> what to watch next
[21:57] <daftykins> the real life sunset!
[21:58] <mapps> migh watch pelts
[21:59] <mapps> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779496/
[22:40] <MSponge> Anyone mind telling me wat UbuntuBSD is ?
[22:40] <MSponge> https://bsd.slashdot.org/story/16/03/21/0321213/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings
[22:41] <popey> It's apparently Ubuntu without a Linux kernel, but BSD kernel.
[22:42] <MSponge> How does that work, then ?
[22:42] <popey> I would imagine you boot it on a computer
[22:42]  * MSponge has been looking at lilliputting website to ask popey if asian phones can be ported.
[22:43] <popey> asian phones?
[22:43] <popey> all phones are asian :)
[22:43] <MSponge> I'm looking.
[22:43] <MSponge> I'm just listenin' to ubuntupodcast.
[22:44] <MSponge> I'm the guy who has the subreddit. Looks brill. doesn't it !
[22:44] <MSponge> but enough 'bout me.
[22:45] <MSponge> popey, Can you use Multiboot on the Meixu phones ?
[22:45] <popey> Yes, I know who you are :)
[22:46] <popey> Dunno, never used multiboot on any phone
[22:46] <popey> We generally don't test that scenario
[22:46] <popey> others do though
[22:46] <MSponge> Kinda sucks without Cynagen Apps.
[22:47] <MSponge> e.g. My Uncle asked me to join "Life360" in an email to stay in touch.
[22:47]  * MSponge gets life. life. and no parole.
[22:48] <MSponge> Did you know Ubuntu360.com is for sale ?
[22:48] <daftykins> that's a pretty terrible domain
[22:48]  * MSponge looks at his xbox360 & grins.
[22:49] <daftykins> useful if someone got it running on a... but you wouldn't want to do that since it's rubbishy PPC :D
[22:49] <MSponge> Can be done though, to be sure ;)
[22:50] <MSponge> Arrrgh pirated xbox360 on ubuntu, .....grrrreat.
[22:50] <daftykins> er what makes the console 'pirated' ?
[22:50] <MSponge> Needs an indiegogo.
[22:51] <MSponge> Dunno. compardres commandeering stuff. Sounds like when I had the mind of a pirate kid.
[22:52] <MSponge> I spoke to the dev. on the linux version for it on jit.si 2 months ago.
[22:52] <MSponge> He lives in Sweden.
[22:53] <MSponge> Only problem is they can't get the dvd to eject. So he says.
[22:53] <daftykins> i would think the 512MB RAM is a bigger problem than that
[22:53] <MSponge> But they all use USB to boot-into it.
[22:54] <daftykins> it'd make more sense to put some effort toward running on the PS4 (which i've seen) and xbox one now, i would say
[22:54] <MSponge> Wats happening with venues for 16.04 release anyway ?
[22:54] <daftykins> pass
[22:54] <MSponge> #party +ubuntu ?
[22:55] <daftykins> no i think the channel is normally #ubuntu-release-party or similar
[22:55] <daftykins> !channels
[22:55] <MSponge> yes, i know that - it always v. quiet, even on the day.
[22:55] <daftykins> ok i just misunderstood your use of #party then
[22:56] <MSponge> Sorry that's just to say (I hope it goes Meta again).
[22:57] <MSponge> The ubuntu subreddit has gone very symantic lately.
[22:57] <MSponge> "What to pasck when wandering in the Ubuntu Universe " etc.
[22:59] <MSponge> popey, good show. I didn't like the microsoft stuff, but that says more about me than yous.
[23:00] <MSponge> Anyone buying into Lunduke's latest escapade ?
[23:01] <MSponge> http://lunduke.com/2016/03/18/linux-is-badass-signed-hardback-print-edition-limited-run/
[23:04] <MSponge> I like the old Cuba, personally. but that only because my beards bigger than that Cuban guys.
[23:05] <MSponge> As soon as POTUS landed several US hotel chains said they'd open up chains in the capital etc. & they call that progress!!?
[23:07] <daftykins> i used to quite enjoy this channel for being -uk since it afforded me an avoidance of US politics from every other channel...
[23:07] <MSponge> Ok, wats your topic-of-the-day, then ? daftykins.
[23:08] <daftykins> the wonderful ignore function and its' many merits
[23:08] <daftykins> ;)
[23:08] <MSponge> I suppose nothing else matters then.
[23:08] <MSponge> (Metallica)
[23:12] <MSponge> popey, Can you help me with a project for a second ?
[23:12] <MSponge> or at least see if there's any holes, in it ?
[23:14] <MSponge> It's alright - I'll survive.
[23:16] <daftykins> pretty late GMT, throw it by #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:17] <MSponge> cant get on #ubuntu-offtopic at all. It asks for an IRC mask. Don't get it really.
[23:18] <MSponge> don't worry ... I have my own personal subreddit to post ideas on (diarising them). So I'll manage it.
[23:19] <MSponge> github was down today though. Jono said it was back up to me too.
[23:20]  * MSponge wanders off.
[23:20] <Myrtti> no it asks you to be identified to the services, nickserv
[23:21] <MSponge> oh wait.
[23:21] <MSponge> yeah, I cant do that successfully.
[23:21] <celesteh> I've got a facebook note saying my computer is being attacked by malware. I'm on Ubuntu 15.10 running the version of firefox in the repos.
[23:21] <daftykins> why not? it's easy.
[23:21] <popey> MSponge: sorry, was afk
[23:21] <popey> well, at another keyboard :)
[23:21] <daftykins> celesteh: 'note' ?
[23:21] <daftykins> sounds like spam
[23:21] <MSponge> I want an ubuntu nickserv name, really.
[23:21] <daftykins> you'd have to be a member i think
[23:21] <popey> !membership
[23:22] <popey> ^ that
[23:22] <celesteh> It logged me out and then when i log in, it directs me to a page saying my system needs to be cleaned of malware
[23:22] <popey> you should not need an ubuntu mask to enter offtopic
[23:22] <MSponge> I'm on launchpadf, is that good enough ?
[23:22] <popey> what happens when you join the channel?
[23:22] <celesteh> 'It looks like your computer is being affected by malware. We’ll help you fix the problem to keep your account secure and prevent malware from spreading to friends. ' daftykins
[23:23] <MSponge> popey, It's ok. I keep getting into trouble there canyway. Best keep with my halo, atmo.
[23:23] <daftykins> celesteh: checked your addon list? cleared your cache?
[23:23] <celesteh> when I click next, it tells me to run anti virus software
[23:23] <daftykins> i'd test a clean browser profile personally
[23:24] <MSponge> Here's an article for you: http://www.howtogeek.com/209320/how-to-set-up-and-use-multiple-profiles-user-accounts-in-firefox/
[23:28] <HaloSponge> popey, What's happening with OggCamp ?
[23:36] <popey> HaloSponge: http://oggcamp.org/the-ghost-of-oggcamp-yet-to-come/
[23:37] <HaloSponge> well. i suppose id like to help out, then.
[23:37]  * HaloSponge facepalms at the consequences.
[23:39] <HaloSponge> Oh wait = I've arrived here; http://saloon.sixgun.org/c/oggcamp
[23:49] <celesteh> cheers daftykins and msponge. I'm running clamscan just in case...
[23:49] <daftykins> celesteh: was a clean profile safe from the oddness?
[23:56] <HaloSponge> popey: I shall revisit this topic.. interesting to me.