| zequence | Ok, so we still have double indicators on our ISO. I'll have a look at this during the day. | 14:33 |
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| zequence | Unless we add a new xchat type of application to our seeds, we should remove the IRC shortcut in the menu, under our Ubuntu Studio Information menu | 14:39 |
| zequence | Had an idea on how to customize our desktop to our needs, without having to change anything from something we derive from | 14:42 |
| zequence | We should add a new desktop package, something like ubuntustudio-desktop-common, which includes things we would like to have no matter which DE is being used | 14:42 |
| zequence | Like, hexchat (instead of xchat9 | 14:43 |
| zequence | I'll post to the mail list about it | 14:43 |
| zequence | or, for now, we just make ubuntustudio-menu depend on hexchat | 14:52 |
| zequence | ..and change the startup file | 14:52 |
| krytarik | Eww. :) | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | maybe xterm irssi? | 14:53 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: I would rather vote for a choice that is as simple as possible for users | 14:56 |
| krytarik | The menu shouldn't depend on any IRC client just because it includes an entry for it, that is - if there is none installed by default, just drop that instead. | 14:56 |
| zequence | krytarik: I'd rather have a simple way for user to be able to chat with us. Find an alternative, if you want | 14:56 |
| krytarik | Yes, me too. | 14:57 |
| OvenWerks | If things are set up properly... an irc://url/#ubuntustudio should just work. | 14:58 |
| zequence | The menu needs an irc client, so we could add an OR based dependency on all supported clients | 14:58 |
| zequence | hexchat and xchat both works with the irc url | 14:59 |
| zequence | Are there others? | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | Anything that sets the correct mime. | 15:00 |
| flocculant | zequence: just so you know - while hexchat is maintained - it does obviously have bugs - 2 of which really bug me :) | 15:00 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: So, there's a file in the package that does that, right? | 15:00 |
| flocculant | though I do use it | 15:00 |
| zequence | Or, is it a script? | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | MimeType=x-scheme-handler/irc;x-scheme-handler/ircs; | 15:02 |
| OvenWerks | From the desktop file. | 15:03 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Ah, the desktop file. Right | 15:03 |
| OvenWerks | If all else fails it will start firefox :P | 15:03 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Not currently. The menu item is not working right now | 15:04 |
| flocculant | and just from a user point of view - I'd not say that irssi would be a good choice - if I grabbed an image to look and found something like that I'd be joining in with the "linux - that'll be for geeks" brigade | 15:04 |
| flocculant | not that I'm really part of studio - just a pov :) | 15:05 |
| OvenWerks | flocculant: Sorry, I was not being serious... | 15:05 |
| flocculant | OvenWerks: oh good :p | 15:05 |
| flocculant | krytarik would have been :) | 15:05 |
| krytarik | Also, Pidgin is installed by default, and https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/3521 indicates that it works with it too. | 15:06 |
| zequence | krytarik: That didn't work either. | 15:06 |
| krytarik | :3 | 15:06 |
| zequence | The menu item is not starting anything right now | 15:06 |
| flocculant | krytarik: yea but pidgin is currently only installed because xubuntu do | 15:06 |
| flocculant | I'd guess ... | 15:06 |
| zequence | Yes, that's true | 15:07 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 15:07 |
| flocculant | I got that right then ;) | 15:07 |
| zequence | I would like to create a ubuntustudio-desktop-common package at some point, especially if we are going desktop agnostic. We could add stuff there that we want on any DE | 15:07 |
| krytarik | flocculant, zequence: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.xenial/view/head:/desktop#L88 | 15:08 |
| zequence | konverstation works too. I'm guessing chatzilla as well | 15:13 |
| zequence | But, there's no package for chatzilla, from what I can tell | 15:14 |
| zequence | Not since 12.04, or so | 15:15 |
| zequence | I would be happy to depend on hexchat | xchat | konversation, in that order | 15:17 |
| flocculant | zequence: you really should think about ditching xchat tbh | 15:18 |
| zequence | flocculant: We don't have it. | 15:19 |
| zequence | The dependency will install hexchat, if neither of hexchat, xchat or konversation were already installed | 15:20 |
| krytarik | flocculant: Hmm, and here I thought you just indicated it the other way around. :P | 15:20 |
| krytarik | Other than that, yes I agree with flocculant. | 15:20 |
| flocculant | zequence: sorry - thought the implication was you did | 15:21 |
| OvenWerks | pidgin does not do irc very nicely. | 15:22 |
| OvenWerks | it is a general do everything app | 15:22 |
| zequence | The dependency will install hexchat, if someone doesn't already have one of the three mentioned irc clients | 15:22 |
| zequence | I'm adding the dependency now. If someone has a better idea, you are welcome to present it :) | 15:23 |
| flocculant | OvenWerks: no it doeasn't but it does it well enough for drive by usage | 15:23 |
| OvenWerks | flocculant: right. | 15:23 |
| flocculant | OvenWerks: xubuntu has a webchat option on their tracker which we often point people to rather than anything else | 15:24 |
| flocculant | I guess it depends on how much studio points people at irc | 15:24 |
| OvenWerks | That would be another option is to direct at a web based irc for the menu. | 15:24 |
| flocculant | I'd say that most people who even know what irc is - have their faves | 15:25 |
| OvenWerks | flocculant: with an xdg-open irc://url | 15:25 |
| flocculant | OvenWerks: no - it's mostly via mail stuff | 15:25 |
| flocculant | mmm | 15:25 |
| flocculant | well we point to webchat in the slideshow | 15:26 |
| flocculant | but not in a menu anywhere now | 15:26 |
| zequence | Bug 1549955 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1549955 in ubuntustudio-menu (Ubuntu) "Ubuntustudio IRC menu item does not work." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1549955 | 15:26 |
| zequence | We have a python script with a warning message for the user that they are about to appear on the IRC channel, but I forget why it is no longer used | 15:27 |
| zequence | Or, if it was ever. | 15:27 |
| zequence | Anyway, starting with this | 15:27 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: We used the script for a bit and it made something else not work... though I don't remember what... maybe it kept our menu from working with other DEs | 15:30 |
| krytarik | This one is in the installer slideshow currently: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntustudio&nick=studio-user...&prompt=1 - prepending it with "xdg-open" would open it in the preferred web browser. | 15:32 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Really. Well, I should just check the commits then. | 15:32 |
| OvenWerks | Quassel-qt4 | 15:33 |
| zequence | Ok, so the question is - do we keep an IRC client, or do we use the browser only? | 15:33 |
| krytarik | (Though HTTPS would be preferrable, of course.) | 15:34 |
| OvenWerks | quassel-qt4 has less new depends than konversation | 15:34 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: That is a hard question for me. I use irc all the time and would not want to use a web interface | 15:35 |
| OvenWerks | A lot of audio sw support is IRC based and so a web client is not a great introduction to that | 15:36 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Well, it's just for user help. All though, if would be nice if the user had some default settings with a number of nice channels already set up | 15:36 |
| zequence | Currently, they only get #ubuntustudio anyway | 15:36 |
| zequence | You know what, I will go with krytarik's option right now. It's the simples choice. If we want an irc client, I would like to see that in a -desktop-common package instead | 15:37 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: the only reason they get that is the desktop file, if you open *chat via Internet you get #ubuntu | 15:37 |
| zequence | this does not fill in the username automatically: xdg-open http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntustudio&nick=studio-user...&prompt=1 | 15:40 |
| zequence | So, this is enough: xdg-open http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntustudio | 15:41 |
| zequence | The user needs to fill in a username manually. No big deal | 15:41 |
| OvenWerks | Quassel is not bad... defaults to #kubuntu :) But that may be changeable | 15:41 |
| OvenWerks | Can you change nick=studio-user to $USER? | 15:42 |
| zequence | No, doesn't seem to work | 15:44 |
| zequence | Think the & symbol doesn't work. Let's see | 15:46 |
| zequence | Need to escape it | 15:46 |
| zequence | Then it works | 15:46 |
| krytarik | zequence: Or just put it in quotation marks - tried it here as well now. | 15:49 |
| zequence | krytarik: Right | 15:54 |
| zequence | Well, I tested the package. It's working, so pushing that. | 15:54 |
| zequence | Forgot to do debcommits. messy, but the changelog will be somewhat accurate. | 15:58 |
| zequence | Sorry about that | 15:58 |
| zequence | Hmm, unity-greeter is pulled in because of lightdm | 16:13 |
| zequence | That in turn dependency by dependency (or recommend by recommend) pulls in unity-control-center | 16:13 |
| zequence | But, Xubuntu has that too | 16:14 |
| zequence | So, which indicator are we supposed to have, anyway | 16:16 |
| krytarik | zequence: Xubuntu doesn't, actually. | 16:17 |
| zequence | krytarik: According to the germinate output, it does | 16:21 |
| zequence | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.xenial/all | 16:21 |
| zequence | I'm getting the Xubuntu ISO to see how things look there, and then start diffing our sources | 16:25 |
| krytarik | I'm usually pulling the manifests first. :) | 16:26 |
| zequence | Right, so it doesn't end up on the ISO. But, why? | 16:31 |
| krytarik | I'll have a look later. | 16:32 |
| zequence | It's in a blacklist file in the seeds | 16:32 |
| zequence | So, we need to add that too | 16:32 |
| zequence | But, we're blacklisting that too | 16:34 |
| zequence | Yet, we have it | 16:34 |
| zequence | Wonder if it's only on the live image | 16:38 |
| zequence | I really don't know what the supported file is for, tbh. | 16:42 |
| zequence | Ours is empty, but not Xubuntu's | 16:42 |
| zequence | Besides, our ISO has grown a lot. I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff on it that isn't supposed to be there | 16:42 |
| zequence | So, reading up on that here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement#Supported | 16:44 |
| zequence | I asked about it on #ubuntu-devel. cjwatson gave me some hints | 17:07 |
| zequence | ..why we get unity stuff, that is | 17:07 |
| OvenWerks | if we wanted quassel-qt4 with #ubuntustudio as default we could create a package called ubuntustudio-irc that was a copy of quassel-data with /usr/share/kde4/apps/quassel/networks.ini replaced. Not sure if that is worth it. I expect that quassel will be maintained though. | 17:08 |
| OvenWerks | Quassel does not, however, seem to be startable with the server/channel on the commandline. | 17:08 |
| zequence | I'm guessing our unity problems derive from simple dependency problems. Things need to be seeded in correct order | 17:12 |
| zequence | So, hopefully, it's just a matter of rearranging seeds in STRUCTURE | 17:13 |
| zequence | lightdm pulls in unity-greeter if lightdm-greeter is not already installed | 17:15 |
| zequence | I'm guessing that is where the problem is | 17:16 |
| zequence | Think if I just move desktop-core below desktop in STRUCTURE, the problem should go away | 17:17 |
| zequence | Let's see | 17:17 |
| zequence | That's all I'm doing today, anyway :) | 17:18 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: :) lots done anway. | 17:21 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Not bad for a days work, nope | 17:26 |
| sakrecoer | i had a go at the translation stuff in -default-settings, following a set of instructive steps krytarik gave me. should be ready to push later this evening. | 17:40 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Alright | 17:46 |
| zequence | Don't think my latest change to seeds worked. We still have unity packages. Might be cause desktop-core was not inherited into desktop, but not sure. | 19:53 |
| zequence | Trying that, anyway. Xubuntu has that, and I think I removed it for no good reason | 19:53 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: All done with -default-settings | 20:29 |
| zequence | ? | 20:29 |
| sakrecoer | yes! | 20:29 |
| sakrecoer | :) was about to ping you! | 20:29 |
| zequence | ok, I'll upload it | 20:29 |
| sakrecoer | sweet! thank you very much! | 20:29 |
| zequence | I just uploaded a new meta, so might just as well | 20:30 |
| zequence | Going to do a rebuild of the ISO and see if we get rid of our unity stuff | 20:30 |
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