[01:13] <bluesabre> evening all
[03:19] <bluesabre> ochosi: similar to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-appfinder/4.12.0-2ubuntu1, can you go through and replace gtk-find and gtk-executre with edit-find and system-run respectively for xfce4-appfinder in git?
[03:19] <bluesabre> nighty all
[03:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: See #xfce-dev.
[07:37] <ochosi> knome: yes ;)
[07:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i'
[07:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i'll try not to forget
[07:39] <flocculant> quick hi ochosi :)
[07:39] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[07:41] <flocculant> ochosi: final beta later this week if you get chance to check an image :)
[09:33] <ochosi> flocculant: yup, i'll try!
[10:08] <knome> so we have scheduled the first media manager article for this week
[10:09] <knome> but also the contest announcement
[10:09] <knome> i'll likely bump the media manager stuff to either tue+wed, or starting from next week
[10:09] <knome> (we have time to postpone by one week)
[10:10] <knome> is 'apt' now the recommended command for command-line package management?
[10:25] <ochosi> knome: +1 on contest announcement this week and postponing the articles ;)
[10:38] <dkessel> knome: recommended - i don't know; but it draws sexy progress bars :D
[10:42] <ochosi> i've recently started using apt over apt-get
[10:51] <knome> by recommended i mean that the serverguide just switched to that, and many more articles i've read use it rather than apt-get
[11:06] <bluesabre> if it's recommended, I'd still not recommend having that in our documentation until next release
[11:06] <bluesabre> knome: if you need me to do some more writing for the media manager article, let me know
[11:06] <bluesabre> flocculant: I had an idea for the templates, I'll see if I can get something together tonight
[11:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: fancy drawing an svg for xfce4-notifyd? http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/universe/issues/xfce4-notifyd.html The icon it ships is a 48x48 png, but we need at least 64x64 for appstream to pick it up
[11:31] <knome> bluesabre, the cloud stuff please
[11:32] <knome> bluesabre, it hasn't even been started
[11:32] <knome> well, i mean
[11:32] <knome> the part where people talk about them
[11:32] <knome> reminder: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud
[11:33] <knome> we just happened to watch a local tv show where three people tested three cloud services (spotify, deezer and groove (formerly xbox music)) and deezer won that comparison; maybe we should look into adding that to the list too
[12:03] <bluesabre> knome: will work on that tonight
[12:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1483914/comments/19
[12:05] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i'll try to do that too
[12:06] <knome> bluesabre, ta
[12:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack :)
[12:17] <flocculant> both :p
[12:17] <j0kker> hey ... 
[12:17] <j0kker> whats up guys.. how r u dooing :D 
[12:18] <flocculant> hi j0kker 
[12:18] <j0kker> can someone help me installing tar.gz .. Popcorn time .. unzipin and then usin ./install 
[12:18] <j0kker> comand not found 
[12:18] <j0kker> convertin with alien 
[12:18] <j0kker> also 
[12:18] <j0kker> installs but nowere to be found 
[12:18] <flocculant> j0kker: this isn't a support channel - try #xubuntu 
[12:18] <j0kker> im kinda stuck
[12:18] <j0kker> flocculant,  im sorry .. 
[12:18] <j0kker> but nobady is answerin there 
[12:18] <j0kker> :8
[12:19] <flocculant> j0kker: well - given the issue at hand try #ubuntu then - more eyes
[12:19] <j0kker> they said tha
[12:19] <j0kker> that im need to go to xubuntu .. :( 
[12:20] <j0kker> baisicly its the same cuz xubuntu is based on ubuntu .. but they wont look into it :D just need some instructions on installin 
[12:20] <flocculant> no idea 
[12:20] <j0kker> ok :D ty for your kindnes :D :D 
[12:20] <flocculant> wait for someone in the support channel
[12:20] <j0kker> okej D: :D 
[12:33] <j0kker> flocculant,  sudo: ./install: command not found
[12:33] <j0kker> do i need to install something for this to work or ? :D 
[12:34] <flocculant> not a clue - if I knew the answer then I would be helping in #xubuntu
[12:38] <j0kker> oh :D hehe ty anyway :D 
[12:41] <flocculant> knome: I'd be inclined to move the media stuff to next week - lots going on this week with wallpaper and beta
[12:42] <knome> flocculant, yep
[12:42] <knome> flocculant, that works as well
[12:43] <knome> flocculant, iirc, then we will have one article coming out on the RC week though
[12:43] <knome> but we can of course just squeeze that in on the same week as some other
[12:43] <flocculant> yea 
[12:43] <flocculant> maybe one monday one friday or something
[12:43] <knome> yep
[13:18] <pleia2> knome: "Licence" (spelling!) in the UI for c.x.o
[13:18] <knome> pleia2, you can log in and get admin
[13:19] <pleia2> I wasn't sure if I could edit that, checking
[13:19] <knome> unless it's in the form and needs code change
[13:19] <knome> ...in which case you can still edit it :P
[13:19] <knome> but i can do that if it's in the form
[13:19] <pleia2> Name of work, Licence...
[13:21] <knome> ok so which one you want?
[13:22] <knome> we have both forms there :P
[13:22] <pleia2> License
[13:22] <knome> mkay
[13:23] <pleia2> licence is needed to drive a car, license is for images :)
[13:23] <knome> :P
[13:23] <pleia2> and English is hard
[13:23] <knome> ;)
[13:23] <knome> hmm, so
[13:23] <pleia2> started here http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-xenial-wallpaper
[13:23] <knome> we're currently not restricting submissions to any lp group
[13:23] <knome> should we?
[13:24] <pleia2> only if people start being bad
[13:24] <knome> ok
[13:24] <pleia2> I think we start off open
[13:24] <knome> yep
[13:26] <knome> ok, spelling should be fixed
[13:27] <pleia2> ty
[13:33] <flocculant> "Since computer software comes with a licence for you to use it, this is commonly misspelled as license. "
[13:34] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: thanks for the users mail
[13:34] <pleia2> knome: I never tested this, is the user able to see their submission?
[13:34] <knome> pleia2, yes
[13:34] <knome> pleia2, and even delete if they so wish
[13:35] <pleia2> cool, nice work
[13:35] <knome> and admins can vote on the submissions on the site
[13:35] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: as soon as we have detail I'll mails testers and follow up to the user list
[13:35] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - I still think that community should be able to vote 
[13:36] <flocculant> knome: just so you don't make the mistake of thinking I'd forgotten about that :p
[13:36] <pleia2> flocculant: your country just named a major naval vessel "boaty mcboatface" - are you sure?
[13:36] <flocculant> \o/
[13:36] <pleia2> lol
[13:36] <flocculant> awesome name :p
[13:37] <pleia2> the internet...
[13:37] <knome> the flocculant 
[13:37] <flocculant> pleia2: just went looking for that - that's \o/ 
[13:37] <pleia2> haha
[13:39] <knome> do we want to talk about how many winners we will pick?
[13:40] <pleia2> yeah
[13:40] <pleia2> how many is that?
[13:40] <knome> we picked 6 last time
[13:40] <pleia2> that's good
[13:41] <knome> "submissions are being collected at URL" doesn't sound as exciting as this contest could sound
[13:41] <pleia2> I agree
[13:41] <pleia2> I am having trouble with words
[13:42] <knome> i'm a bit headachy too
[13:43] <pleia2> I am just tired
[13:43] <knome> yep
[13:43] <knome> long flights
[13:51] <akxwi-dave> flocculant, no probs.. chhers
[14:01] <flocculant> knome pleia2 just a point "Week 14" what's that? just normal week numbers I assume, wouldn't it be apt to use week 24 - the release week number?
[14:01] <flocculant> other than that - pad looks ok to me
[14:02] <knome> normal yes
[14:02] <knome> it also has the dates inside the curlies :P
[14:03] <knome> well not curly brackets literally..
[14:03] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[14:03] <flocculant> maybe without the week then
[14:04] <knome> well
[14:04] <knome> however you wish :P
[14:04] <pleia2> "the week of april 4th"
[14:04] <flocculant> if I look at that I think there's loads of time and art actually got things done early :p
[14:04] <flocculant> anyway - was just a suggestion :)
[14:04] <flocculant> not that bothered about this bit of the competition :p
[14:05] <knome> RC is on week 15
[14:05] <knome> so if we want the package to the RC, we need an upload before monday that week
[14:05] <knome> so week 14...
[14:06] <flocculant> week 25 ... 
[14:06] <knome> in release ys :P
[14:06] <flocculant> and yes we want them in RC :)
[14:06] <knome> yes too..
[14:06] <knome> yep
[14:24] <knome> time to cook something to eat
[14:24] <knome> bbl
[14:50] <flocculant> Unit193: did you get anywhere with your core image? 
[15:38] <Nairwolf> u
[17:33] <flocculant> slickymaster: why did you put bug 1322724 as critical bug in the tracker? 
[17:34] <flocculant> ubuntu one is sso now - might have been a bug way back - but people keep pointlessly adding it to the tracker - not sure why? 
[19:24] <cosimo_> Hello. I am the "unable to help" guy who gets stressed exponentially for every e-mail I get from David Pires, and Pasi asking for a last effort to translate. 
[19:25] <cosimo_> Just for the record I give up. 
[19:25] <cosimo_> Whoever is in charge should totally revise the procedure for entering in the LoCo teams
[19:28] <krytarik> cosimo_: You seem to have very little patience too, though.
[19:31] <cosimo_> 8 days for getting any answer from anybody for helping translate the missing strings?
[19:34] <dkessel> slickymaster: I don't think there is a Turkish trans
[19:34] <dkessel> ..lation template for xubuntu-docs
[19:39] <flocculant> cosimo_: have you tried contacting David Planella? 
[19:42] <flocculant> I'd mail him at the canonical address shown on his LP page - he's supposedly an admin on the catalan translators - https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[19:42] <flocculant> mhall119: is dpm on vacation or anything? 
[19:42] <flocculant> cosimo_: not that anyone should have to chase around to do this stuff :(
[19:50] <cosimo_> flocculant:  yes, i tried contacting him directly. But still no answer. And again, I'm not impatient, is just that there is a real "need" for help translating, but timeforce is wasted
[19:51] <flocculant> yea understood
[19:51] <flocculant> he might be away - no idea tbh
[20:00] <mhall119> no, but it's past his EOD
[20:01] <flocculant> mhall119: yea realise that 
[20:02] <flocculant> cosimo_: so david planella is about - just not responding I guess
[20:02] <flocculant> hard to know what to do about that
[20:03] <mhall119> email him again, he does a lot of different things these days, it's easy for things to get put aside and lost
[20:21] <flocculant> yea for sure
[20:21] <flocculant> mhall119: it's part of a larger generic issue seemingly though - not specifically him :)
[20:22] <flocculant> nightmare to get people approved for translations apparently
[20:23] <cosimo_> flocculant: The problem is simple. IMHO. Approvals can't be held only by one person in the LoCo. There should be an easier way to enter, and start working on translations right away. Then code can (or should) be revised, ok. 
[20:23] <knome> well i just got a mail from david about a different thing today, so he's totally back after weekend
[20:24] <cosimo_> but at least, people who want to translate, can. 
[20:24] <knome> cosimo_, i agree with what you're saying
[20:27] <flocculant> cosimo_: it's not one person - there are actually 3 admins on the catalan translators
[20:28] <flocculant> it's just more likely to get hold of David - he's in the ubuntu community team
[20:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: here you go: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commit/ebd2132be0df7f51d151f9e270304013124b894d (not sure where you wanted it)
[20:53] <flocculant> ochosi: good evening :)
[20:53] <ochosi> hey everyone
[20:55] <knome> hey ochosi 
[20:56] <knome> ochosi, the mailing list is now in the dev.xubuntu.org menu, when is the article stuff written?
[20:56] <knome> (:
[21:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, i've patched the two desktop.in files and updated the icon names, that was all you did there, right?
[21:03] <ochosi> knome: ok, i've put comparable effort into the article already ;)
[21:04] <ochosi> knome: also, integrate the ML with the rest of the website ;)
[21:04] <ochosi> (actually it's already the prettiest mailman page i've seen)
[21:04] <knome> i know it is; it's the only one that has been edited the least i have seen...
[21:04] <knome> and as we all know, mailman isn't pretty by default...
[21:05] <knome> i'm actually really surprised there isn't a simple option to apply some CSS file to *all* of the files in mailmain
[21:05] <knome> *mailman
[21:05] <knome> or maybe there is, but not with IS hosting
[21:10] <knome> anyway, your time just got extended by a week
[21:10] <knome> i need your input on the article by april 4
[21:10] <knome> consider that a very hard deadline
[21:15] <krytarik> cosimo_: Just making sure, do you actually know how the translation process works? - https://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/translations/
[21:15] <ali1234> can't anybody send "merge requests" for translations?
[21:16] <krytarik> Well, that's how LXQt is doing it currently. :3
[21:21] <cosimo_> hi krytarik, thanks for the info. Knew the basics, but all info is always welcome, so, thanks!
[21:21] <krytarik> Sure.
[21:22] <krytarik> But yes, getting the translations approved can be a bottle neck.
[21:22] <cosimo_> flocculant: , so if there are 3 admins is even worse. 
[21:23] <krytarik> ali1234: Not to mention that it doesn't really work that way for them - it's just because the translation system is currently broken.
[21:24] <jpt9> Hey.  Quick question -- I'm currently running Xubuntu 15.10, and I noticed that at least for the beta, there are issues upgrading to 16.04...
[21:24] <jpt9> Any idea if they will be fixed by the time 16.04 comes out?
[21:24] <knome> i think it's a problem for any team to have stale set of administrators
[21:25] <knome> especially if it's a team other people are semi-regularly supposed to join
[21:25] <knome> jpt9, that's the plan obviously
[21:25] <flocculant> jpt9: issues woth upgrading are from 14.04, in tests with a basic 15.10 the upgrade has worked fine
[21:26] <cosimo_> I remember participating in the translation of Viber, to Catalan. The process was amazing. Register in the website, and start right away translating. All translations had to be approved by a number of people before being considered as "good"
[21:26] <cosimo_> got the App fully translated in 2 days
[21:26] <jpt9> Ah.  Good to know.  Just figured I'd check.
[21:27] <cosimo_> no admins, blocking anything. 
[21:27] <cosimo_> just a well organised system. 
[21:27] <ochosi> knome: humm, i've only used spotify myself of those streaming apps you list there and for me there isn't much more to say about it than what you wrote... there are some players for streaming that one could mention (nuvola or tomahawk) but i haven't really used either myself so i'm not sure copy-pasting from other reviews is what we want)
[21:28] <knome> ochosi, nooo
[21:28] <knome> ochosi, let me paste you a decent link
[21:28] <knome> ochosi, i'd like your input on this one: https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3744&action=edit
[21:29] <knome> cosimo_, while i totally empathise with your situation and want to fix the process (and have taken action to do so), i really think it might be time to stop telling us how bad the process is (especially as we can't do any more about it as we have)
[21:30] <ochosi> knome: oh noes, interviews? really, the problem i have is: i don't currently play music on my laptop anymore - which is why i moved to streaming apps on my phone paired with a google chromecast audio...
[21:31] <ochosi> i did use the spotify desktop app for some time, but even that one i haven't used in quite a while
[21:31] <ochosi> i rarely sit at home and have to time to browse and/or listen to music ;)
[21:32] <knome> ochosi, actually, i'd be happy if you wrote a bit about shimmer for gmb and added some quick answers for others
[21:32] <knome> ochosi, as i said, it'd be good for the series if you pretended you had the time :P
[21:49] <flocculant> night peeps
[21:49] <krytarik> G'night, flocculant.
[21:50] <knome> nighty
[21:52] <cosimo_> ok got it knome. 
[21:52] <knome> cosimo_, also, as krytarik pointed out, you can start sending suggestions also
[21:52] <knome> *already
[21:54] <cosimo_> did that too. So, time to wait. Thanks everyone again and sorry for my long complaints ;)
[21:54] <cosimo_> bona nit a tothom. (that's good night everyone in catalan)
[21:59] <slickymaster> knome, do you know how do we add languages to https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs?
[21:59] <slickymaster> flocculant, I didn't set it as such
[22:00] <knome> slickymaster, the people who have set language X should always see that on the list as available
[22:00] <knome> ...set language X as their "known" language in LP that is
[22:00] <slickymaster> I'm referring to a non existing idiom there, knome 
[22:01] <knome> i believe the list that is visible is the list of languages that have had any activity on them ever 
[22:01] <knome> which one is missing?
[22:01] <slickymaster> and if one hasn't, as yet, have any activity?
[22:01] <slickymaster> Turkish
[22:02] <knome> that is visible for those users who have set Turkish as their preferred language in LP
[22:02] <knome> (i just double-checked that)
[22:03] <slickymaster> yeah, seeing it now
[22:03] <slickymaster> thanks
[22:04] <slickymaster> flocculant, if you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1560108/+activity you'll see that I just add it and assign myself to it
[22:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: so just to avoid misunderstandings: i've made the changes to appfinder locally, just waiting for your OK to push them...
[22:18] <ochosi> night everyone!
[22:19] <knome> night ochosi 
[22:20] <knome> sleep tight (and get good ideas for the article)
[22:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks, was actually referring to upstream (http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-notifyd/tree/icons) -- sorry!
[22:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes, was just the .desktop.in files