[17:54] <ksteffensen> Catching up on not having installed Edubuntu in a few years and reading documentation, etc.  I read one post on Jonathan Carter's blog that had concern about LTSP with Wayland (several years ago).  Reading on Ubuntu pages, Wayland is dead for Ubuntu, and Mir is the way of the future.  Any impact on LTSP/Edubuntu from switch to Mir?
[18:11] <highvoltage> won't work so well for ltsp clients but should be fine for ltsp fat clients
[18:14] <ksteffensen> thanks. at least it's only half a problem, and not fully broken
[18:15] <ksteffensen> Hi Jonathan.  I didn't go down everyone's nicknames trying to figure out which one was you.  :)
[18:28] <highvoltage> :)
[21:07] <alkisg> ksteffensen: why do you think that wayland is dead for ubuntu?
[21:08] <alkisg> I believe debian will support it, and as an ltsp developer I'll care more about debian compatibility than mir...
[21:08] <ksteffensen> Let me find the page.
[21:08] <ksteffensen> true
[21:08] <alkisg> If that's the case, maybe ltsp will support wayland but not mir
[21:08] <ksteffensen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[21:09] <ksteffensen> At the top of the page, it says, "Please note that we are no longer considering Wayland, but instead we will be moving to Mir."
[21:09] <alkisg> And at the bottom it says: last edited 2013-08-05
[21:09] <ksteffensen> Ah.  Good point.
[21:09] <alkisg> At that time they were thinking that mir would be the default for desktop in 14.04
[21:09] <alkisg> That's still too far from the reality and we're in 16.04
[21:09] <ksteffensen> Ah.  Makes sense.
[21:10] <alkisg> If (when?) debian supports wayland, i'm pretty sure it'll run in ubuntu as well
[21:11] <ksteffensen> Cool.  Any timeline for debian supporting it?
[21:11] <alkisg> As for thin clients etc, the general trend is to go with netbooted ltsp fat clients, they run *much* more smoothly
[21:11] <alkisg> For wayland? No idea, you could ask in #debian or #wayland or so
[21:11] <ksteffensen> will do
[21:12] <ksteffensen> Yeah, I've been catching up after not installing Edubuntu since 12.04.  Started reading today.  Did a basic install, but haven't had time to try a fat client yet.
[21:13] <alkisg> Edubuntu won't be shipping 16.04, but LTSP runs fine in plain Ubuntu 16.04 with gnome-flashback
[21:13] <ksteffensen> All of my previous experience has been with thin clients.  looking forward to trying a fat client
[21:13] <ksteffensen> Thanks.
[21:13] <alkisg> This is the best how-to, if it fits your needs:
[21:13] <alkisg> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
[21:15] <ksteffensen> Thanks.  I'll give that a try, too.
[21:15] <alkisg> np
[21:17] <ksteffensen> I like your catch-22 of DNS not working because of dnsmasq preventing other DNS servers from starting.