[01:15] <Bashing-om> !fstab
[01:17] <daftykins> >:D
[01:19] <Bashing-om> He's alive, he's alive ^^ :)
[01:21] <daftykins> only barely!
[01:21] <Bashing-om> Oh, tough day pulling cable ?
[01:28] <daftykins> hehe nah, pretty quiet as it goes
[01:28] <daftykins> finalised the motion detection config on a CCTV system though
[01:30] <Bashing-om> Pulled the cable for the CCTV yesterday huh ?
[01:32] <daftykins> nah this one is going to Spain
[01:32] <daftykins> just a local test
[01:36] <Bashing-om> Networking, keeps the mind active .
[01:37] <daftykins> ooh you remind me! the router should be back in stock
[01:40] <Bashing-om> Parts, parts, we got to have parts . ummmm .. what port for what ???
[01:43] <daftykins> hmm the router? just more gear for spain
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:15] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/edubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-will-not-be-a-long-term-support-lts-release-502003.shtml
[07:17] <baizon> yep, i think its dead
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> well the packages can be installed widely on every ubuntu anyways
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !edubuntu
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> lets c its site
[07:19] <baizon> last news is 1 year old
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> wow
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> 14.04.2 :p
[08:03] <baizon> ok, got hexchat 2.12.0 :)
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> !info hexchat
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> !info hexchat xenial
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> right :p
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> baizon: any cool changes?
[08:04] <baizon> lotuspsychje: https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.12.0.html
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[08:05] <baizon> lotuspsychje: for me the most important is... IRCv3.2, and twitch chat support
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> alot of fixes there so it seems
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> i also found hexchat more laggy then xchat
[08:07] <baizon> well, everything is working quiet well for me
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> baizon: wich Os your on mate?
[08:08] <baizon> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 • CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor (2,10GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,6 GiB Total (6,4 GiB Free) Swap: 3,7 GiB Total (3,7 GiB Free) • Storage: 1,2 TB / 1,7 TB (536,0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Curacao PRO [Radeon R7 370 / R9 270/370 OEM] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD790 Host Bridge • Uptime: 7m 5s
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> baizon: radeon drivers?
[08:08] <baizon> yep
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> same here, but old old X800 ati :p
[08:09] <baizon> i like to play games, so got a better card
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> i see, what kind of games you running?
[08:09] <baizon> but will buy a new cpu this year
[08:09] <baizon> Dota, CS:GO, Insurgency. Now I'm gonna play Darkest Dungeon
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> i like hack n slash games :p
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> living daylights looks cool
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> and shadow of mordor
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> played alot of oldskool sof2, ut2004 and hl2 back in the days
[08:11] <baizon> :D
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> morning Jordan_U
[08:13] <Jordan_U> Does AMD GPU Pro support Wayland? If not what is missing for it to be supported?
[08:14] <Jordan_U> lotuspsychje: Morning.
[08:14] <baizon> i think every open source driver supports wayland / mir
[08:14] <baizon> Jordan_U: AMD/ATI: Requires open source driver (radeon/ati, not fglrx/catalyst). DRM output requires kernel version 2.6.38. Cards probably work back to Radeon 7200 (2000).
[08:14] <baizon> like i said
[08:15] <Jordan_U> baizon: AMD GPU "pro" is the hybrid stack, open kernel module with proprietary userland.
[08:15] <baizon> ou ok
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> phoronix website also holds alot of usefull info
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=phoronix_news
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> and the #gamingonlinux guys always informed up to date also
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[09:08] <cfhowlett> evening lotuspsychje
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> konbanwa :p
[09:09] <cfhowlett> indeed!
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[09:13] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, how are you?
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx and you?
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> browsing ubuntu news + coffee
[09:15] <lordievader> Attacks in Brussels, huh?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hmm lemme check
[09:16] <lordievader> http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/4234405/doden-en-gewonden-aanslagen-luchthaven-en-metrostations-brussel.html
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> wow wtf
[09:17] <baizon> yep
[09:17] <baizon> happens
[09:17] <baizon> just in this moment saw it in the news
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> thats 100km from here oO
[09:21] <lordievader> That is pretty close for you, lotuspsychje
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> yep tnx for the heads up lordievader
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> even hit cnn news
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/22/europe/brussels-explosions/index.html
[09:22] <lordievader> New agencies live for this kind of thing.
[09:22] <cfhowlett> as do the terrorists.
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> this acts in the name of religion....
[09:23] <lordievader> Don't they die for it?
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> they surely wont eat pudding with golden spoons in heaven
[09:25] <cfhowlett> actually, the leaders live on.  the more gullible followers die.  kind of like generals and privates.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> true
[09:29] <lordievader> True.
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[10:31] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: big bombing in belgium, 24 casualities already oO
[10:32] <EriC^^> damn
[10:33] <EriC^^> sorry about that
[10:33] <EriC^^> your friends and family are safe?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> yes, its 100km from here
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> wb
[13:01] <tsimonq2> O___O oh my god, I just realized how far we are in the Xenial cycle, jeez
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:01] <tsimonq2> like, SERIOUSLY
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> feature freeze in 2 :p
[13:01] <tsimonq2> Adam sent out the Final Beta Freeze yesterday night
[13:02] <tsimonq2> *Final* *Beta* *Freeze*
[13:02] <cfhowlett> yep.  1 month ...
[13:02] <cfhowlett> of course, I will wait for the .1 to actually upgrade my system, but I will vbox 16.04 on release
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> i cant wait so long :p
[13:03] <tsimonq2> I've been running it since Wily was released XD
[13:04] <baizon> phi, using 16.04 already :D
[13:04] <baizon> pretty stable
[13:04]  * tsimonq2 gives baizon a high-five
[13:04] <baizon> 0 crashes or problem
[13:04] <baizon> problems
[13:04] <tsimonq2> yeah totally
[13:06] <tsimonq2> the only problem I have that wasn't caused by me was because I was using the apt team's PPA, and all I had to do was recompile a new version of apt, which is easy :D
[13:07] <tsimonq2> and I break my install about once every month XD
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:08] <tsimonq2> lol you would think I'm joking, I'm really not XD
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:11] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[13:12] <tsimonq2> lol right now I'm actually doing a reinstall before a meeting in like 45 minutes :D
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: nice1
[13:14] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/apds04.html is actually a really nice guide for doing this, instead of using an installation media now, I'll do this, because even if it takes longer, on first boot I can have everything. :)
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: lookin neat
[13:17] <tsimonq2> O__O https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ is really neat for when I'm feeling lazy XD
[13:17] <tsimonq2> (I know how to manually type it all out)
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> never knew there was a generator like this
[13:18] <tsimonq2> totally
[13:19] <tsimonq2> I've used one for Debian, but this is awesome
[13:19] <tsimonq2> O_O I just had an idea! I should try and use ncurses and such, and get a package in the Ubuntu repos that will automatically do this!
[13:19] <tsimonq2> (if there isn't one already)
[13:19] <TJ-> debootstrap is the standard method for building images; its what the installer uses
[13:20] <tsimonq2> something like software-properties-gtk for the terminal
[13:20] <TJ-> tsimonq2: it is already there; it is called debian-installer :)
[13:20] <tsimonq2> TJ-: but don't they do some special stuff to the images?
[13:20] <tsimonq2> TJ-: no, for the sources.list
[13:20] <tsimonq2> \o/ unless I'm wrong, TJ- :)
[13:21] <TJ-> tsimonq2: debootstrap generates sources.list based on its command-line arguments. If you have "debootstrap ... --components=main,universe,multiverse" ... http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" it'll use that
[13:22] <TJ-> tsimonq2: and of course you can install additional packages as required with "--include=<package1>,<package2>,..."
[13:22] <tsimonq2> I get your point, but if a user wants to edit the sources.list on an installed system and doesn't want to touch configs?
[13:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: well generally the idea is for additional sources to have them in separate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<name>.list
[13:23] <tsimonq2> hmm
[13:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: usually /etc/apt/sources.list only contains the standard Ubuntu archive entries.
[13:24] <tsimonq2> well, no, I mean for official Ubuntu repos, this theoretical tool would be like https://repogen.simplylinux.ch but WITHOUT the extra repos
[13:24] <tsimonq2> it's probably been done before :)
[13:24] <TJ-> tsimonq2: you'll find that for most Debian/Ubuntu system services, they use the /etc/<package>/<package.conffile>.d/ method so the config can call 'runparts' to build the full config from file fragments
[13:25] <TJ-> tsimonq2: well, it's easy to generate from the current Locale plus the mirror list, of course
[13:26] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[13:29] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: curious, do you have any involvement of building the ISOs in the Ubuntu archive, or have you just asked the right people in terms of the process
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: no i dont mess with iso building
[13:30] <tsimonq2> ahh alright :)
[13:30] <TJ-> there's also the ubumirror package - targeted at mirror operators themselves, but it has some useful info in its README for example, as well as the scripts themselves
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> remastersys or uck
[13:30] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: hm?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> !info uck
[13:31] <tsimonq2> oh
[13:31] <tsimonq2> okay
[13:31] <tsimonq2> TJ-: told ya they have been done before :)
[13:32] <tsimonq2> thanks lotuspsychje :)
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> np
[13:33] <TJ-> My image builder scripts generally use the Locale to figure out the correct target config
[13:34] <tsimonq2> I would love to learn how to make an image, it would really help a team I'm in
[13:34] <tsimonq2> TJ-: you have insight into this process?
[13:37] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I've been working with the installer mechanisms for ~10 years
[13:38] <tsimonq2> sweet! where do I get started? :D
[13:38] <TJ-> My scripts expect a local apt-cacher-ng proxy to ensure the install rarely needs to fetch packages from the archive servers more than once
[13:38] <tsimonq2> oh I've seen those used in schroot systems :)
[13:40] <tsimonq2> TJ-: BTW, while I have someone here who knows what he's doing with this, rather than telling *me*, if you have the time, it would be awesome if you could update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization , it doesn't work in Xenial
[13:40]  * tsimonq2 kicks systemd
[13:40] <TJ-> using something like Ansible is a good way to ensure a consistent deployment, too
[13:41] <tsimonq2> what's Ansible?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> !info ansible
[13:42] <tsimonq2> aha okay
[13:42] <TJ-> It's one of several configuration management/orchastration tools. There's also Puppet, Chef, Salt Stack and some others
[13:43] <tsimonq2> oic
[13:43] <TJ-> whats broken about the LiveCD customisation?
[13:44] <tsimonq2> something doesn't work right with the binaries it needs
[13:44] <tsimonq2> it works fine in Trusty but not in Xenial
[13:44] <TJ-> well that's not an actionable bug report - too vague :)
[13:45] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit! I'm not aiming for a bug report! I'm asking you to try it in Xenial, you are more experienced than me and you can spot the bad stuff :)
[13:45] <tsimonq2> lol
[13:45] <TJ-> I've got other things to do
[13:46] <tsimonq2> lol ok :)
[13:46] <TJ-> the beauty of F/OSS is you can narrow down the problem yourself and then report it to the team/project that could fix it. If it is just instructions then you can edit the Wiki appropriately
[13:47] <TJ-> As lotuspsychje pointed out, uck is the tool we generally use
[13:49] <tsimonq2> I can tell you *exactly* what went wrong :)
[13:50] <tsimonq2> aha, different, but related buide, maybe subguide?
[13:50] <tsimonq2> I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[13:50] <tsimonq2> cp /usr/lib/syslinux/isolinux.bin image/isolinux/
[13:50] <tsimonq2> cp /boot/memtest86+.bin image/install/memtest
[13:50] <tsimonq2> that doesn't work in Xenial ^
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: http://ubtutorials.com/tutorial/699/how-create-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-or-usb-easy-way
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !info uck xenial
[13:51] <tsimonq2> TJ-: as in, those files are not there at all
[13:52] <tsimonq2> aww come on lotuspsychje, that's GUI and it has presets... :/
[13:55] <TJ-> apt-cache show uck
[13:55] <TJ->  Features:
[13:55] <TJ->   * Create bootable LiveCD with predefined languages based upon an original
[13:55] <TJ->     Ubuntu/Kubuntu live CD using graphical wizard.
[13:55] <TJ->   * Build live CD with special features using scripts. It is possible to
[13:55] <TJ->     customize the root filesystem (for example install/remove packages), ISO
[13:55] <TJ->     contents (add/remove docs, change names) and initrd (add modules to boot,
[13:55] <TJ->     change boot sequence).
[13:55] <TJ-> So, both GUI and build scripts
[13:55] <tsimonq2> oh? so scripts?
[13:57] <tsimonq2> hmm, I'll play around with thatr
[13:57] <tsimonq2> *that
[14:02] <TJ-> the 'GUI' is just a wrapper around the scripts themselves
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> baizon: wb :p
[14:58] <baizon> :P
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> i sit here on a chair
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> waiting for your return hahaha
[14:59] <baizon> rofl
[14:59] <baizon> ok :D
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj_: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/kde-plasma-5-6-released
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> hmm not bad
[15:05] <BluesKaj_> yeah, too bad it's not available to Xenial
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> oh?
[15:10] <BluesKaj_> the ppa goes up to wily, no further
[15:11] <BluesKaj_> lotuspsychje, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj_: wich plasma will be default on xenial then
[15:12] <BluesKaj_> it's probly too early
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> feature freeze in 2 days so
[15:12] <BluesKaj_> dunno, most likely 5.6 will get there by release time
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> lets hope :pµ
[15:15] <BluesKaj_> I'm looking forward to Wayland integration
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> but canonical more focussing on mir right
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> im curious about the xorg death :p
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> bbl spaghetti
[15:22] <BluesKaj_> well, kubuntu is being dev'd by Blue Systems anyway so I'm not sure how much Canonical has to say about replacing X with Wayland
[15:30] <TJ-> I've dumped kubuntu/kde, it has become a massive resource hog
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: back to unity?
[16:36] <TJ-> crikey no!
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:36] <TJ-> wouldn't get me to install that even if you kidnapped the huskies!
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so what your on then :p
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> didnt you read that 10 reasons for unity haters :p
[16:37] <TJ-> XFCE, LXDE, openbox, or pure terminal
[16:37] <TJ-> no, I don't pay attention to hate stuff, I just ignore things that aren't of interest
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: and all your screens working as well as kde too?
[16:39] <TJ-> work better without KDE, yes
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:40] <TJ-> kde lost the abililty to 'know' about multiple X sessions vs multiple monitors per X screen, some time ago - bit-rot and lack of dev's using multi-monitors
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> hi nicomachus
[17:13] <nicomachus> o/
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> 1900 users in main
[17:54] <nicomachus> wew. lots of xenial updates on this machine today.
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinnertime
[19:59] <TJ-> !find rtl8723be.ko
[19:59] <TJ-> !find rtl8723be.ko trusty