[06:45] <mgraesslin> good morning
[08:02] <yofel> moin
[08:08] <soee_> hiho yofel
[08:56] <vip> hi ho
[08:56] <vip> do you hate kmail2 as much as I do?
[08:57] <soee_> -.-
[08:57] <soee_> i do not know i'm not using it
[08:58] <soee_> maybe if the interface would be simpler and more user friendly
[08:58] <soee_> i'm on thunderbird for a long time
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:23] <mparillo> !testers
[10:24] <mparillo> New beta images are up: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds
[10:25] <vip> got it!
[10:27] <mparillo> vip: You must have a better connection. My zsync is running about 2.3 MB/sec
[10:28] <vip> got it... for testing :)
[10:29] <vip> 8MB/s here, quite fast
[10:29] <vip> still downloading
[10:31] <vip> but as I see, there's still bugs
[10:31] <vip> installer not started, and the destop folder is too small 
[10:42] <soee_> woho new images
[10:42] <soee_> zsynincg
[10:43] <soee_> yiu have to good connections :<
[10:44] <vip> soee_: don't even start
[10:45] <soee_> i have 1.2 MB/sec max
[10:57] <soee_> vip: ping
[11:04] <vip> pong
[11:08] <soee_> vip: did you testes new builds >
[11:08] <soee_> teh bug with not starting ubuquite still exists no ?
[11:10] <clivejo> when I use dch to increment to a particular version, why is it signing the entry with the previous person?
[11:11] <vip> [11:31] <vip> installer not started, and the destop folder is too small 
[11:24] <clivejo> if I use "dch --newversion 5.20.0" surely that should use my name and email in the changelog?
[11:29] <yofel> clivejo: that depends on what DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC is set to and whether the last changelog is UNRELEASED
[11:33] <clivejo> grrr
[11:34] <yofel> see manpage
[11:35] <clivejo> I have seen it
[11:35] <yofel> I think you want a different heuristic and --increment. Then you can make it add a new changelog in any case
[11:36] <clivejo> but it must be because the previous version is UNRELEASED
[11:36] <yofel> yes, but you can make it ignore that
[11:36]  * clivejo is trying to build frameworks from Neon/Unstable
[11:37] <vip> soee_: and?
[11:38] <clivejo> I can do them manually, but was trying to hack the script (to better understand it) 
[11:39] <yofel> ok wait
[11:39] <yofel> put DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC=log into ~/.devscripts and try again
[11:39] <clivejo> yofel: its not important, just playing about
[11:40] <yofel> well yes, but when I read maunally and script in one line I hear alarm bells :P
[11:41] <clivejo> is this command right "dch --newversion 5.20.0-0ubuntu1 -D xenial -m "New Upstream Release 5.20""
[11:41] <yofel> although debchange handling is a bit annoying if you stray from the default workflow
[11:41] <yofel> wrong quoting, but otherwise yes
[11:42] <clivejo> whats the right way?
[11:42] <yofel> put single quotes around the changelog part
[11:43] <yofel> otherwise you have a syntax error
[11:44] <clivejo> still signing it off as you :(
[11:45] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pskij4zlt
[11:45] <yofel> hm..... I've seen that happen actually....
[11:46] <clivejo> there should be a --sign_as_me 
[11:47]  * clivejo kicks dch
[11:47] <yofel> according to the manpage, you have something set wrong, because that behavior is the last-resort-fallback
[11:47] <vip> what's the new email client for kde? I've read some news, but canno remember the name
[11:48] <soee_> kmail :)
[11:48] <clivejo> kontact
[11:49] <clivejo> its released as a suite
[11:49] <vip> no no, not kmail
[11:49] <vip> new project
[11:50] <clivejo> Kube?
[11:50] <snele> vip: trojita?
[11:50] <snele> http://trojita.flaska.net/
[11:50] <soee_> it isnt new
[11:51] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLEiqjbw4A
[11:52] <clivejo> https://cmollekopf.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/the-year-of-kube/
[11:52] <vip> oh, it was kube i suppose
[11:52] <clivejo> I dont think we will see anything for a while
[11:55] <yofel> "Note that Akonadi Next has been renamed to Sink to avoid confusion"
[11:55] <yofel> yeah, I am totally less confused now
[11:55] <clivejo> me too
[11:55] <clivejo> crystal clear
[11:56] <vip> I would be very happy after uninstalling akonadi
[11:56] <clivejo> Im actually impressed with the lastest version
[11:56] <yofel> at least you'll be able to "flush your mails down the sink" in the future I guess
[11:57] <clivejo> seems a lot faster
[11:57] <clivejo> I have a lot of different accounts and it seems to retrieve and cache them a lot faster these days
[11:58] <clivejo> does anyone use diaspora?
[11:59] <soee_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJXgTsSgSP8
[12:00] <soee_> email client can be pretty nice
[12:06] <marco-parillo> I am running the new Beta RC now. Wireless works. Firefox works (but the Favorites menu is empty). It boots straight to the live session, instead of the choice to try / install. I prefer that behavior (since I run live sessions frequently (say for on-line banking), but only install once), but it does not match the test case. On my display the install icon is actually bigger than the desktop folder container.
[12:13] <soee_> marco-parillo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1560404
[12:13] <soee_> and ye sit boots straight to live session  = bug also
[12:13] <soee_> it was reported in previous beta build and not ficed since then
[12:17] <marco-parillo> Thanks. soee_ I have added the bugs to my test report: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds 
[12:18] <soee_> marco-parillo: thank you
[12:18] <marco-parillo> As I wrote, I actually prefer to boot straight to the live session
[12:18] <marco-parillo> But it is a bug if the behavior does not match the test case (although, I suppose we could re-write the test case ;-) )
[12:20] <soee_> yup you shoudl find that one and add also
[12:20] <soee_> marco-parillo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1560356
[12:21] <soee_> add this one, it was added for previous tests 
[12:21] <soee_> hmm
[12:21] <soee_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1560404
[12:22] <soee_> ^ this one :D
[12:22] <soee_> wait no 
[12:22] <soee_> it was the previous one
[12:22] <soee_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1560356
[12:28] <marco-parillo> Thanks soee_ I had the other two, but I added bug 1560459 (which looks to be the root cause of not getting the try/install option) to my test results.
[12:29] <marco-parillo> Off to work.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:06] <soee_> hehe :D
[13:06] <soee_> the comment http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-6-desktop-environment-officially-released-here-s-what-s-new-502046.shtml
[13:07] <yofel> as a general FYI:
[13:07] <yofel> mysql 5.7 was accepted in xenial and should be available soon (in case someone hits akonadi issues)
[13:07] <yofel> clivejo, sgclark: The cmake FFE got approved, so we'll soon get 3.4 or 3.5 in xenial. I did a rebuild of the core stuff myself and I think we're fine
[13:08] <yofel> fun indeed. RAAAAAAAAAAGE
[13:09] <BluesKaj> is the Xenial plasma 5.6 available yet ?
[13:10] <soee_> yes!
[13:10] <mamarley> soee_: Uh, no.
[13:41]  * clivejo looks for his trout
[13:42]  * mamarley hands clivejo a large, freshly-caught trout.
[13:43]  * clivejo smiles
[13:43] <clivejo> let do some trout slapping!#
[13:46] <clivejo> yofel: RAAAAAAAAAAGE ?
[14:00] <yofel> clivejo: in response to the softpedia comment
[14:02] <clivejo> plasma 5.6?
[14:04] <yofel> yup
[14:04] <clivejo> hows xenial shaping up?
[14:05] <yofel> mparillo, soee_: did one of you try the installer again?
[14:06] <soee_> yofel: when ?
[14:06] <yofel> on the daily image
[14:06] <soee_> i tried few hours ago when new builds were avaialbel
[14:06] <soee_> it had the same bug
[14:06] <yofel> could you then please mark at least one of the install tests as failed?
[14:07] <yofel> currently it looks like there's no really major issues with the images
[14:12] <yofel> and unrelated to the iso images - anyone there that wants to do upgrade testing? The test cases are there now. (Both from 15.10 and 14.04)
[14:18] <yofel> except that the test case title is the wrong one o.O
[14:18] <yofel> (when did we last edit that?!?)
[14:25] <marco-parillo> yofel: The live image basically worked for me. I marked the three bugs here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds
[14:25] <yofel> were you able to successfully install it?
[14:25] <marco-parillo> I can try to kick off the installer from the live image if nobody has done that recently.
[14:26]  * yofel just updated the upgrade test cases
[14:26] <yofel> or hm, I need to do this differently
[14:32] <yofel> there we go
[14:50] <genii> Is there yet a tentative timeline for plasma 5.6 in Xenial?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> it's avaiolable for 15.10 and but 15.10.totally broke on my pc after a kernel upgrade 
[14:53] <mamarley> BluesKaj: It is?  Are you talking about KDE Neon?
[14:54] <soee_> genii: nope
[14:55] <genii> soee_: OK, thanks :)
[14:55] <BluesKaj> mamarley, nope, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[14:57] <mamarley> BluesKaj: Huh?  I only see Plasma 5.5.4 for Wily and Plasma 5.3.2 for Vivid.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> mamarley, there was a kernel module installed for nvidia on my pc that broke X if that's what youwere referring to about 15.10
[14:58] <BluesKaj> mamarley, click on tecnical details...
[15:06] <sgclark> morning. Actually got 8 hours of sleep.. but I feel like I missed something, do we have shiny isos to test?!
[15:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark, I haven't seen anything "shiny" yet. 
[15:18] <marco-parillo> sgclark: Yes, but I noted the same three bugs as yesterday at: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds
[15:20] <BluesKaj> with all the publicity about plasma 5.6 I'm surprised it hasn't "landed" in the Xenial ppas yet
[15:21] <mamarley> They are too busy working on the Xenial release.
[15:21] <sgclark> BluesKaj: we can work on shiny new stuff or actually release a stable LTS
[15:21] <sgclark> one or the other, too few to do both
[15:21] <sgclark> I choose stable LTS
[15:22]  * BluesKaj nods, understood, sgclark
[15:22] <sgclark> I too like shiny stuff, and after release there will be lots. This being an LTS bumps stable importance
[15:23] <BluesKaj> OMG Ubuntu had alink saying it was available there
[15:23] <BluesKaj> backaports
[15:23] <sgclark> lol yeah I have no clue who their source is...
[15:23] <sgclark> not us obviously
[15:23] <mamarley> They probably pulled it out of their butts.  Sites like that are just trying to make money from pageviews.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> any word about Kubuntu carrying on after 16.04 LTS?
[15:31] <yofel> well, we don't intend to vanish, and we'll have to support 16.04 for the next 5 years anyway
[15:31] <yofel> what exactly we'll be doing in the future is open though
[15:31] <sgclark> what yofel said
[15:31] <yofel> bug 1561051 is what I'm getting when I try to run the live session...
[15:32] <yofel> I don't really get *what* fails here
[15:35] <yofel> On the positive side, the installer seems to work again
[15:36] <sgclark> gonna test on the new laptop donated to me!
[15:38] <sgclark> of course with my super awesome internet speeds this week, that will be in an hour :(
[15:39]  * sgclark drinks more coffee
[15:39] <BluesKaj> sgclark, dsl ?
[15:41] <sgclark> comcast cable. absolutely horrible ISP but they have no competition...
[15:42] <yofel> why does our slideshow link to userbase.kde.org o.O
[15:42] <sgclark> wasn't that where we moved our doc or something?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I could have a faster internet , but it's expensive here in the semi-boonies with no real competition for the cable co, so they charge thru the nose for 20Mb speeds
[15:42] <yofel> maybe, but don't we have website section for that?
[15:43] <sgclark> oh probably. wasn't ahoneybun the one that worked on the slideshow?
[15:44] <yofel> maybe... lets see what he has to say
[15:49] <yofel> hm... we have no default favorites in kickoff - I have the feeling that there are supposed to be some...
[15:53] <rdieter_work> yofel: fwiw, i've seen that occasionally for fresh users on fedora too, I suspect something going wrong with plasma-desktop script :  ./desktoppackage/contents/updates/obsolete_kickoffrc.js  (haven't filed any bug yet, but will soon)
[15:54] <yofel> rdieter_work: interesting, thanks. I *think* we have our own override of that, but the failure might still be the same
[15:56] <rdieter_work> yofel: well, we override the default favorites too, but seems that script botches things so it (often, not always?) ends up blank
[15:57] <yofel> meh
[15:57] <rdieter_work> if I remove that script, I see favorites appear reliably (on initial login)
[16:05] <rdieter_work> yofel: found already reported, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357029
[16:05] <yofel> thanks
[17:01] <marco-parillo> yofel: Do you need a launchpad bug for KDE bug 357029?
[17:02] <yofel> probably not... I think that's obvious enough so that we won't forget about it
[17:03] <marco-parillo> Yes, I mentioned the missing favorites in my test report.
 We did move the docs to userbase before we had the website up though @Yofel
[19:06] <lordievader> No testers for i386?
[19:07] <lordievader> Lets give 32bit some love :D
[19:21] <lordievader> The 32bit image also suffers from the desktop folder widget being very small. Is there a bug report for this?
[19:21] <lordievader> To answer my own question, bug 1560404
[21:23] <keithzg> lordievader: I was planning on spinning up a VM and running some of the tests, I'll give i386 a shot then :)
[21:26] <lordievader> keithzg: Please do, was a bit too tired to do a full testing round.
[21:26]  * sgclark tries wily upgrade
[21:43] <clivejo> does anyone use KVM?
[21:46] <sgclark> not really
[21:46] <clivejo> what you use?
[21:46] <sgclark> I think some of the kde servers do, but I am not involved in creating or handling it
[21:46] <sgclark> personally I use vagrant and docker
[21:47] <clivejo> Id reckon KVM would be closer to the actual machine
[21:47] <sgclark> and schroot
[21:47] <sgclark> virtualbox is what vagrant uses, and I don't see it as any different than hardware in most of my use cases