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SaviqMirv, hey, think you could force-merge https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/067 ? it passed britney in silo and we're waiting for it in another silo07:48
MirvSaviq: sure08:16
Saviqtx08:17
SaviqMirv, can you please retry the failed build in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-07008:33
Saviqnot sure what the error is there08:33
MirvSaviq: done, it seems to have hanged since the build took 2.5h08:34
SaviqMirv, indeed08:34
oSoMoNjibel, good morning! not sure whether you saw my message yesterday in the evening about silo 21?08:39
Saviqsil2100, hey, we'll need a new ubuntu-touch meta with indicator-session added for silo 13 - could you please whip something up? since I don't think we're installing Recommends on touch at all?09:03
sil2100Saviq: hey, ok, preparing - the recommends bit is indeed not-so-clear, I'll have to look into that later on09:03
Mirvubuntu-qa it seems https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/021 is pretty important, please force it to QA queue as requested by oSoMoN in the evening since the retry function does not work for the one failed autopkgtest test because of a known infra bug09:04
sil2100Saviq: btw. any chance silo 13 landing today? :)09:08
Saviqsil2100, yeah, we've found the issue + workaround09:08
Saviqit was a nasty one09:08
Saviqfirst boot, timezone related and triggered by rotation :P09:08
jibelMirv, done09:09
Saviqis actually a pre-existing issue in rc-proposed09:09
jibelSaviq, and if you remove the calendar widget from the indicator, the bug doesn't happen?09:09
sil2100If that's worked-around now then awesome09:10
Mirvthanks09:16
Saviqjibel, yes, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1167 is doing that, but I'd rather land those separately and re-enable timezone change in OOBE once we verify this is really helping09:18
jibelSaviq, heh, one of my favorite bug :)09:23
Saviqjibel, so what do you think, we could land 13 with the timezone skipped, or put 70 into 13 to avoid the skip, or land the two separately knowing one will fix the other09:28
jibelSaviq, will you remove the timezone page from the wizard still?09:31
jibellet me think09:32
Saviqjibel, let's talk after the turbo mtg09:33
Saviqjibel, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/saviq09:40
Saviqsil2100, ↑ is rebuilding for the last time, please let me know when you have ubuntu-touch ready, thanks!09:50
sil2100Saviq: it's ready since a bit, I can push it into the overlay if needed10:23
Saviqsil2100, ah, can you push into silo 13 then?10:24
Saviqor is that not how we roll with ubuntu-touch bits?10:24
sil2100Saviq: ah, ok, to the silo first then? Sure10:24
sil2100We can, but we usually push those straight to the overlay10:24
sil2100Will anything blow up if we have indicator-session on our images without silo 13?10:25
Saviqsil2100, yeah, it will show up by default and with 13 it will be hidden10:26
Saviqso it should land together10:26
sil2100Pushing to silo 13 in that case10:27
Saviqsil2100, can we have one for xenial, too?10:58
sil2100Saviq: ok, I committed to the seeds already, just need to re-generate the meta10:58
Saviqthanks10:58
sil2100Saviq: I hope silo 13 will land today, right?11:29
Saviqsil2100, that's the plan, yes11:29
Saviqjust waiting for the last builds on awkward arches that take an era11:29
Saviqsil2100, oh11:30
jibelsil2100, the freeze is the last blocker for silo 13, everything else reported by rvr has been fixed and verified already11:30
sil2100Ok, since there's some additional changes staged in the xenial11:30
Saviqsil2100, it looks like the two powerpc builds are stuck https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-013/+packages11:30
sil2100*xenial metapackage11:30
Saviqwe saw that overnight and Mirv restarted, not sure if possible to un-stuck it before it times out after 2.5h :/11:31
sil2100hmmm11:31
sil2100Why would those tests suddenly get stuck?11:31
Saviqsil2100, looks like a race, really - something must've changed in xenial :/11:33
Saviqbut yeah ppc64el got stuck overnight, too11:33
* Saviq should've bincopied :P11:33
Saviqbut then train wouldn't be happy11:33
* Mirv is intimately familiar with "stuff changes in xenial"11:35
sil2100:|11:38
Mirvit's just weird we still get things changing in xenial at this point, but for example the gcc gets updated all the time with the assumption that upstream stable branch never regresses11:40
MirvI'm now trying to hunt why out-of-range file mappings don't fail anymore on i386/armhf while they did two weeks ago at least. ie, Qt unit test is failing.11:41
Mirvthe previous case was the famous grep update a month ago11:42
sil2100Things like this should not happen so late in the cycle11:47
cjwatsonSaviq: anyone with upload permission to the relevant thing can cancel, wait for cancel to complete, retry11:50
sil2100Mirv, Saviq: you guys think we should re-try running the builds again?12:02
Saviqsil2100, yes12:04
Mirvsil2100: probably12:11
sil2100It's re running12:12
sil2100Fingers crossed...12:12
sil2100Saviq, Mirv: I see the ppc64el already seems hanged on the same test :<12:19
sil2100Oh!12:29
sil2100Saviq, Mirv: both finished!12:29
Mirv\o/12:32
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Saviqnice12:36
* Saviq files a bug for that test12:36
SaviqMirv, sil2100, bug #156096012:40
ubot5bug 1560960 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "test-live-actions frequently hangs on powerpc on xenial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156096012:40
Saviqjibel, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1138 is up, I've Lander: ACKed it, running qml tests and will do some sanity checks on it now,too12:53
Saviqit also has ubuntu-touch-meta now to pull indicator-session in12:54
jibelSaviq, okay, I'll install is now12:56
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morphissil2100: can you override the automated sign-off for the android package landing at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1145 again?13:19
Saviqjibel, FYI - tests results on silo 13 https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-ppa-autopkgtest/47/testReport/13:28
Saviqjibel, not sure how to cause britney to rerun the "regressions" from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-013/excuses.html and https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-013/excuses.html - the only really relevant ones are for the new unity8 package (20160323.2)13:35
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morphissil2100: ping14:37
sil2100morphis: pong15:03
morphissil2100: you saw my message above about the current landing of a new android pacakge?15:03
sil2100morphis: oh crap, missed it, ok15:04
morphissil2100: need a override for britney again on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/114515:04
sil2100Let's ping QA again15:04
morphisthanks15:04
sil2100jibel, davmor2: hey! We'd need a manual insertion into the QA queue, android again ^15:04
davmor2pffff15:05
sil2100(the QA automated scripts for adding landings to the queue will soon stop being used because of all those missing britney hints)15:05
morphissil2100: can you also have a look at the package in silo 70?15:13
morphisneed a coredev signoff on that, this needs to land really soon15:13
sil2100morphis: looking15:19
morphissil2100: thanks15:19
morphisawe: ^^15:19
sil2100Oh, the WiFi bug, yeah that's critical alright15:19
awek15:19
morphissil2100: :-)15:19
sil2100morphis: hmmm, one thing I don't like in silo 70 so far is that debian/patches/wifi-fix-cancel-scan.patch seemed to have been touched (and some parts removed) without any mention in the changelog15:30
sil2100Any changes such as this should be documented as a changelog entry15:31
morphissil2100: they don't15:31
morphissil2100: there was only one patch added15:31
sil2100https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-1168/2016-03-23_10:34:23/vivid/network-manager/packaging_changes.diff15:31
sil2100The packaging change shows a change in the patch - maybe the packaging diff is wrong? (maybe it's outdated or something)15:32
morphissil2100: possible15:32
sil2100Let me manually check15:33
* sil2100 runs a debdiff15:34
sil2100morphis: sadly manual inspection confirms that debian/patches/wifi-fix-cancel-scan.patch has been changed15:36
sil2100morphis: was that intentional?15:36
sil2100http://paste.ubuntu.com/15480297/ <- this is what I get after running debdiff against what's in the overlay-ppa15:37
sil2100morphis: anyway, if it's intentional and wanted, then it should have a mention in the changelog15:41
dobeytrainguards, hi. it seems https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-064/+build/9390812 is hanged. can someone kill/restart that build?16:52
dobeyoh seems it just died16:56
dobeyso just a retry please16:56
dobeytrainguards: also, can someone please retry https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-066/+build/9386439 ?17:16
sil2100dobey: on it17:16
sil2100Done17:16
dobeysil2100: can you do https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-064/+build/9390812 too please?17:16
bfillerrobru: I create silo 62 for QA. It only has a click package. Getting bad status and also need to set QA Signoff to Ready. Can you take a look?17:19
bfillerhttps://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/06217:19
alecuhi trainguards! I need to land this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~xavi-garcia-mena/ubuntu/vivid/upower/percentages-power-off/+merge/28993517:20
dobeyalecu: oh, that isn't going to work17:20
alecuI've never landed upower branches nor branches that are not upstream, is that something that we can do with the train?17:20
alecudobey: how so?17:21
dobeyalecu: because that's not upstream; we need to make a change to the debian source package, and get it uploaded17:22
alecudobey: uploaded to debian? we want this change only for the phone overlay.17:23
dobeyalecu: no, uploaded to a silo; that change needs to not be directly to the files in question, but adding a patch in debian/patches/ that makes that change.17:23
alecudobey: ah, I see17:24
dobeyand needs to have debian/changelog entry, etc17:24
dobeyas we don't own upower17:24
sil2100dobey: sure17:26
dobeysil2100: thanks17:26
sil2100alecu: oh17:26
sil2100alecu: ok, where would you like me to copy the source package?17:26
dobeyalecu: is it critical to land that upower thing for ota10?17:26
dobeywtf, the ubuntuone-credentials tests crashed again on powerpc17:27
sil2100alecu: and yes, as dobey, it would be better if the change was already a valid debian package, so added as a quilt package etc.17:27
sil2100This would save me some work17:27
dobeysil2100: can retry https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-066/+build/9386439 yet again please? i wonder if maybe something is wrong with the builder perhapse :-/17:28
sil2100dobey: sure17:28
alecudobey: mzanetti keeps bugging me about it. He has half a dozen devices, and whenever he needs to test something on one, and the device is completely dead, it takes 15 minutes for the battery to charge enough so the device can be restarted.17:28
sil2100dobey: yeah, we had some issues with powerpc builds today... not sure if those were builder related, just was hard to get a package built completely17:29
bfillersil2100: how do silos that just have click packages work?17:29
bfillersil2100: the status keep saying it's failed17:29
bfillersil2100: silo 6217:29
alecudobey: so, I don't think it's a critical, but it's long in the tooth.17:29
dobeybfiller: silos with clicks don't work, really17:29
bfillerdobey: it's how QA tests them17:30
bfillernot for release17:30
sil2100bfiller: hey! Yeah, for such click-only landings that do not have any deb-parts to build it should just stay as an unassigned request17:30
alecusil2100: dobey: I'll work on a proper debian branch after lunch.17:30
dobeybfiller: right, you just make a silo and fill in the download url for the click, and then ask jibel to move it to trello17:30
sil2100bfiller: since getting a silo is pointless17:30
sil2100(nothing to build or install)17:30
sil2100alecu: thanks!17:30
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bfillersil2100, dobey: ok let me abandon it then and start over17:31
dobeyalecu: ok, if you need help from me, just ping; i am a bit hesitant about it though; would be nice if we could get a proper fix implemented where we can tweak that in device tarball or such to override, instead of having it that way in the package17:33
pmcgowandobey, its just that its for every device, there is some other package with config overrides which one escapes me17:37
ogra_alecu, just send some extra power strips to mzanetti ;)17:41
dobeypmcgowan: oh right, well whatever package then perhaps17:45
dobeypmcgowan: i'm not sure that upower settings can be overridden the normal way though, is the thing17:46
dobeysil2100: looks like that ppc build failed again :( same builder, so maybe an issue with the builder17:47
pmcgowandobey, yeah looking now17:47
pmcgowanand aiui its bad to write a file another package owns17:47
dobeyhmm17:48
dobeyhttps://launchpad.net/builders/sagari/+history doesn't suggest a general builder problem though :(17:48
bfillersil2100: can you kick off an amd64 xenial build for gallery-app on this silo please? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-05117:53
alecuogra_: lol17:59
sil2100bfiller: done18:01
sil2100:)18:01
dobeysil2100: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-066/+build/9386439 <- hmm, third time's a charm maybe?18:08
pmcgowanogra_, is ubuntu-touch-session really reserved for session related configs or can stuff running as root go in there as well18:09
dobeypmcgowan: there's "ubuntu-touch-settings" btw18:10
* pmcgowan looks18:11
dobeydon't know if unity8-desktop-session-mir depends on it or not though18:11
dobeyif it pulls it in we might not want it there, either18:11
dobeyor, trainguards: can get another rebuild on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-066/+build/9386439 please?18:12
robrudobey: on it18:12
dobeythanks18:12
robruyw18:13
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mterry\o/18:14
pmcgowandobey, Im confused, the upstream project for that package is something unrelated18:16
jibelthanks for your work on this silo mterry, it was an interesting landing :)18:17
mterryjibel: likewise.  glad we sorted it out18:18
dobeypmcgowan: ?18:18
pmcgowandobey, if I look here https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings18:19
dobeywell fml, another segfault on ppc18:19
pmcgowanit points to an upstream for the code18:19
jhodapprobru, where do I learn the reason why automated sign-off failed? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/93918:19
robrujhodapp: "Automated Test Results" field is a little below that18:20
dobeyi wonder what changed in xenial that would have caused such a crash only on ppc18:20
jhodapprobru, thanks, didn't see that18:20
Saviqmterry, can you please copy shadow for vivid from silo 13 to overlay - we'll then need to pop it from silo and publish the rest18:20
mterrySaviq: oh ok18:21
Saviqmterry, somehow you managed to put different sources for xenial in silo and archive18:21
dobeypmcgowan: huh, no. there isn't an upstream source tree for that afaict18:21
Saviqso train is unhappy18:21
dobeypmcgowan: it's just a .deb that has some overrides we ship, in it18:21
mterrySaviq: yeah I pushed to xenial a long time ago, I was told to ease publishing just to put a bogus one in ppa.  Guess tnot18:21
pmcgowandobey, ack18:21
pmcgowanlp pahge is just wrong then18:22
dobeypmcgowan: not exactly; someone improperly registered an upstream project in lp18:22
Saviqmterry, well, I asked you to copy from archive to silo, not "put a bogus one" - train would be happy with that :)18:22
Saviqmterry, but you must've rebuild the source when dputting to ppa or something18:23
mterrySaviq: yeah it got rebuilt.  I'll fix18:23
dobeypmcgowan: fixed it18:24
mterrySaviq: OK, shadow copied to overlay & deleted from silo 13 ppa18:25
Saviqmterry, it's not even that "it got rebuilt" as in binaries - it's the source package that ended up different18:25
Saviqmterry, thanks, deleted both distros?18:25
mterrySaviq: alright I must have messed that up18:25
mterrySaviq: yeah18:25
Saviqtx18:25
Saviqlet's see if a diff_only build makes things work now18:26
dobeyi wish lp builders could be configured to upload crash reports to errors.u.c and spit out the URL to the report in the build log18:26
dobeymaybe i should just disable tests on powerpc18:29
dobeypmcgowan: so i can't land that ubuntuone-credentials change if i wanted to, because the build keeps failing on powerpc :(18:30
pmcgowandobey, I see powerpc tests on xenial bah18:31
pmcgowandobey, who could help look at it?18:32
bfillerrobru: was discussing with jibel, he was asking if  any lander should be able to mark it ready for QA when there is no automated sign off18:32
robrubfiller: hmmm, right18:33
dobeypmcgowan: someone with a 15 year old mac that still boots?18:33
Saviqjibel, davmor2, thanks a lot guys, we know we caused you a lot of grief these past week+½, we really didn't wanna18:33
pmcgowandobey, lol18:33
pmcgowandobey, how bad would it be to disable the tests18:34
dobeypmcgowan: it's not hard to do. just feels incredibly dirty18:34
ogra_pmcgowan, we used to use it for all things session related ... iirc there are also lightdm configs and such in it18:35
jibelSaviq, no worries, you know how we love your mega silos18:35
pmcgowanogra_, there are18:35
ogra_so indeed you can have non-user related bits18:35
pmcgowanvg ty18:35
pmcgowanalecu, ^18:35
jibelfood for thought for your next landings18:35
ogra_i wouldnt put totally unrelated stuff in there indeed18:35
pmcgowanogra_, it an override for the upower conf18:35
Saviqjibel, others just hide the same size silos behind staging, so ;)18:36
dobeypmcgowan: it would be better in ubuntu-touch-settings18:36
ogra_yeah18:36
dobeypmcgowan: unity8 depends on ubuntu-touch-session18:36
ogra_that sounds less session realted18:36
ogra_*related18:36
Saviqjibel, I'd have landed all that in 4-5 smaller ones if I could18:36
dobeyso it will be installed on laptops too for unity8-desktop-session-mir18:36
pmcgowandobey, ok if you say so, just there are no conf files there now18:36
pmcgowanI see18:36
dobeybut ubuntu-touch-settings doesn't seem to be18:36
jibelSaviq, indeed, I didn't say it couldn't have been worse18:36
dobeypmcgowan: there is one override file in it. we can add a conf though, i think :)18:37
pmcgowandobey, so I would disable the tests on powerpc for today, since that is wanted for turbo18:37
robrubfiller: ok I pushed a fix to trunk, just waiting on #webops to roll it out, they're a bit busy (been waiting already an hour for a different rollout)18:37
ogra_pmcgowan, and breap all  the powerpc tablets out there ?!?18:37
ogra_*break18:37
dobeypmcgowan: do we not also want silo 64 for turbo? who is determining what is "critical" there?18:37
pmcgowanwhats in 6418:38
bfillerrobru: awesome, ty!!18:38
robrubfiller: yw18:38
robrujhodapp: sorry got a bit distracted. did you find the test results there? does the error make sense to you?18:38
Saviqdobey, pmcgowan, I just filed bug #1560960 today about test failures on powerpc/ppc64el18:38
ubot5bug 1560960 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "test-live-actions frequently hangs on powerpc on xenial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156096018:38
pmcgowandobey, I think we are ok with 64 for the ota18:38
jhodapprobru, yeah I've pinged Saviq and we're trying it again18:38
jhodappthanks for checking18:39
Saviqthis sounds like something happened in xenial these past few days18:39
robruyou're welcome. I know that excuses page can be hard to read at times18:39
SaviqOTOH it was a hang for i-datetime, this is SIGSEGV18:39
alecudobey: the unity8 desktop session does not include ubuntu-touch-settings?18:40
dobeyalecu: rdepends says no18:40
alecugreat18:40
Saviqdobey, did you guys try to build once more?18:40
dobeyonly ubuntu-touch depends on it18:40
dobeySaviq: this is the 4th time it's segfaulted18:40
SaviqI mean just a retry here https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-066/+build/9386439 ?18:40
Saviqok :/18:40
alecuI just need to figure where to put the env var in order for the system dbus-daemon to pick it.18:40
dobeyi suppose i could ask to try again18:41
dobeybut i guess it will crash again18:41
Saviqyeah no point18:41
Saviqoh come on train, whatch'a doin'?18:43
Saviqwe're waiting here18:43
dobeySaviq: it's a slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow train comin'18:44
robruSaviq: dobey: what are you waiting for?18:53
dobeyrobru: someone to acknowledge my bob dylan reference18:54
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mterrySaviq: I can publish19:05
mterryWould be my pleasure19:05
Saviqmterry, please do, just wanted to run the YOU SHALL NOT PASS run so it's clear19:06
mterrySaviq: OK.  pushing button....19:06
Saviqmterry, w000t19:12
davmor2jibel: ref Saviq s earlier gratitude that's one and half weeks of drink on him right?  That's the way it works now isn't it?19:12
Saviqdavmor2, not sure you want me to provide you 1½ weeks of drinking19:13
Saviqremember I come from a ~Eastern European country19:13
davmor2Saviq: I only drink coffee and soft drinks not an issue for me :P19:14
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pmcgowannow what19:26
dobeysigh19:28
Saviqgreat success19:31
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robrualright fellas, big train rollout is live, hope y'all are ready for a 3x speedup in source package builds.19:52
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robrubfiller: ok that qa change should be live, try poking the qa field to see if it works (page should reload automatically)19:55
bfillerrobru: cool let me try19:55
bfillerrobru: seems to work, thanks19:56
robrubfiller: you're welcome!19:56
robrualright! huge experimental train rollout done, time to disappear for lunch! what could possibly go wrong?20:01
dobeyreentrant call errors?20:02
renaturobru, what is the problem with this silo? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/112320:10
robrurenatu: "burned version number" means that the destination archive (in this case overlay PPA) contains a package with the same version number but with different source contents. the only fix is to rebuild so that you get a new version number.20:23
renaturobru, just push a new build?20:24
robrurenatu: most likely this happens when you have the same package in two silos, they both build on the same day (so they get the same version number), then one publishes, it "burns" the other one20:24
renaturobru, ok thanks20:24
robrurenatu: it's weird that xenial doesn't also indicate that it's burned, lemme look a little deeper20:25
robrurenatu: yeah these are different: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/249683044/indicator-datetime_15.10+15.04.20160323-0ubuntu1_source.changes https://launchpadlibrarian.net/249723640/indicator-datetime_15.10+15.04.20160323-0ubuntu1_source.changes20:26
robrurenatu: yeah the one in the overlay is from silo 1320:27
renatuok got it from trunk now20:28
robrurenatu: so if you rebuild now, it'll fix the "burned version number" error, but you're still inherently dealing with two conflicting silos, once silo 13 lands fully you'll need to rebuild again anyway, so maybe just wait20:28
renaturobru, sure, thanks20:28
robrurenatu: wait, 13 isn't assigned, wtf20:29
renaturobru, something has landed I got updates from trunk20:29
robrurenatu: my mistake, 13 is fully landed, so you should rebuild now20:30
robrurenatu: lol, that's the status I was expecting. 13 must have *just* landed20:31
renaturobru, nice, turnk merged.  Rebuilding it right now20:32
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tvossrobru, o/21:35
robrutvoss: ahoy!21:35
tvossrobru, mind checking if the publisher for https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-074/+packages is working correctly?21:35
alecuping trainguards. I need to ship an alternate /etc/UPower/UPower.conf on the phone. And I see that several conf files in /etc are overridden with bind mounts from /userdata/system-data/etc/21:36
robrutvoss: i dunno anything about the publisher, but i did make a huge change to the train today, let me take a poke21:36
alecuso, do you guys know where those things in /userdata/system-data are coming from? they don't seem to be part of an installed .deb21:36
robrualecu: no idea, sorry. That's a question for phone people, not train people21:36
robruThough maybe sil2100 is both...21:36
alecurobru: ah, there lies my confusion, I usually ask these things to sil2100!21:37
alecurobru: thanks anyway[21:37
robruyou're welcome21:37
robrutvoss: everything looks fine on the train side. only armhf hasn't published (in the ppa) yet, so maybe just wait a bit more? if it's still not published in half an hour, maybe poke colin watson or william grant21:41
tvossrobru, ack and thx21:43
robrutvoss: yw21:46
robrualecu: oh maybe check with john-mcaleely, that might be from the device tarball.21:51

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