[00:01] <rsully> Is there a way to run a ipsec/l2tp vpn on a dynamic IP? All of the guides I find require you to specify the server IP in various parts of the setup and config
[00:02] <bekks> you would need to adjust that upon every IP change.
[00:03] <rsully> That defeats the whole purpose. It looks like the problem isn't with xl2tpd, but with openswan. But I don't know if maybe openswan can run with 0.0.0.0 or other dynamic IP mode, and just the guides I'm using don't offer that as an option
[00:04] <bekks> why does it defeat the whole purpose?
[00:06] <rsully> Because when it changes I'm likely not going to be on site or even notified
[00:06] <bekks> So create a cron job.
[00:06] <rsully> It looks like ipsec.secrets can handle %any, and ipsec.conf can use %defaultroute instead of IPs
[00:08] <rsully> but the guide I was using also required the IP in iptables for SNAT, so it isn't a full solution
[01:16] <devster31> sarnold: I almost solved it with dns masquerading
[01:16] <sarnold> devster31: 'almost'? :)
[01:17] <devster31> I have no idea how it works, I'm experimenting, but it seems the easiest solution, local resolution with forwarding to google or opendns servers
[02:49] <jjrabbit543> hello
[02:50] <jjrabbit543> anybody know if there's a simply way to run a speed test from command line?
[02:50] <sarnold> what sort of speed are you interested in measuring?
[02:51] <jjrabbit543> bandwidth
[02:51] <sarnold> bandwidth in use or bandwidth available?
[02:51] <jjrabbit543> download/upload speeds
[02:52] <jjrabbit543> similar to the website speedtest.net or whatever it's called
[02:53] <sarnold> iperf or iperf3 perhaps; sometimes I grab something big from kernel.org
[02:57] <jjrabbit543> cool i'll have to read up on how to use that lol
[03:09]  * tarpman sometimes grabs something big from releases.ubuntu.com ;)
[03:11] <sarnold> heh, i've never tried that approach.. normally the ubuntu servers are glacial, is that one better?
[03:12] <tarpman> ok, if i'm being honest, i probably wouldn't use that one specifically, but a nearby mirror
[03:19] <patdk-lap> https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli
[03:19] <sarnold> ha, cool
[03:20] <patdk-lap> iperf3 is so much better though
[03:21] <sarnold> wow, a few seconds reading iperf3 sources looks promising
[03:21] <sarnold> clean cppcheck
[03:22] <sarnold> i thought one of the iperfs looked insane
[03:30] <RoyK> jjrabbit543: http://bfy.tw/4tIK
[07:58] <pezet91> hello, how to make a mirror copy of the system on Ubuntu Server?
[07:59] <pezet91> is it possible?
[08:26] <nocontrol> hi all, I have installed ubuntu server 14.04 with vagrant and I've included Redis. So I am trying to start the server and I get a permission error
[08:27] <nocontrol> Error says: failed to open .rdb for saving: Permission error
[08:28] <nocontrol> I've checked the redis.conf and the dir is /var/redis which is chowned by redis:redis and 777
[09:16] <havenstance> xrandr --output DVI-0 --primary --mode 1440x900
 just to clarify the --primary in this command will make that DVI display the primary display correct?
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:06] <jamespage> smoser, raised https://bugs.launchpad.net/simplestreams/+bug/1560903 to cover the hypervisor_type -> virt switch in stream data and updated the MP.
[10:17] <jamespage> smoser, oh and happy birthday :-)
[12:13] <jamespage> utlemming, Odd_Bloke: hey - any know issues with locales being installed on the latest cloud images for xenial?
[12:13] <jamespage> having trouble atm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1560939
[12:15] <jamespage> coreycb, fyi ^^
[12:15] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: No _known_ issues, but it's not something that we particularly check.
[12:16] <jamespage> Odd_Bloke, only locale installed is C
[12:16] <jamespage> no language-pack-en
[12:17] <Odd_Bloke> Clearly we've decided to reject anglocentrism.
[12:17] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: I'll have a quick dig. :)
[12:26] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: So I don't think we've ever shipped language-pack-en.
[12:27] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: (Does doing either of the things suggested in the cloud image MOTD fix the problem?)
[12:27] <jamespage> Odd_Bloke, I installed the langpack - that does resolve the problem
[12:27] <jamespage> I suspect the second one will as well
[12:29] <pmatulis> morning
[12:35] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: "Mar 23 11:17:14 username systemd[1]: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules." <-- that looks like a more likely culprit
[12:36] <Odd_Bloke> (I would expect that all of those open calls come after the actual failure when the error message is trying to be localised.)
[12:48] <smoser> jamespage, thanks.
[12:56] <smoser> jamespage, do you think 'kvm' is the right name?
[12:56] <jamespage> smoser, I'm not sure tbh - I put that up as a straw man
[12:57] <smoser> well, at least on server stack, lenart agrees with you
[12:57] <smoser> [    6.854315] systemd[1]: Detected virtualization kvm.
[13:01] <smoser> wll, i'm good with the rest of it, and i would ilke to have sane values. to me 'qemu' seems more correct, i dont have strong feeling against lxd
[13:01] <smoser> what does juju call these things?
[13:02] <arie_sw> hi all
[13:05] <smoser> jamespage, ^ does juju expose 'lxc' or 'lxd' or 'kvm' or 'qemu' ?
[13:06] <jamespage> smoser, that's still up for discussion - right how its lxd and qemu
[13:06] <jamespage> but that's changeable
[13:06] <smoser> so is there any reason that i should pull this now then ?
[13:07] <jamespage> smoser, this branch is part of the work to enable multi-hypervisor openstack clouds with juju
[13:09] <smoser> jamespage, well, juju uses the words 'kvm' and 'lxc'  elsewhere.
[13:09] <smoser> https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/config-LXC
[13:09] <jamespage> smoser, in 1.25 it does
[13:09] <jamespage> in 2.0 lxd is used as well
[13:10] <jamespage> smoser, so I feel lxd and kvm is more aligned to existing virt terms in juju
[13:10] <smoser> well, you can tell me what to do . i'd rather not pull it and upload it to ubuntu and then change it.
[13:10] <jamespage> smoser, agreed
[13:12] <smoser> well, tell me what to do . i'm fine to upload or to wait.
[13:31] <teward> matsubara: ping - did anyone help hunt down the issue with the keyboard layout selection issue, or is that still an unknown?  (It may be a show-stopper, at some point...)
[13:32] <matsubara> teward, not yet. I asked cyphermox yesterday but got no reply yet. I'll ask around again
[13:32] <jamespage> smoser, ok - so after some discussion - 'lxd' and 'kvm' is the plan
[13:32] <matsubara> teward, I have some other stuff to take care this morning but will keep poking
[13:33] <jamespage> smoser, so I think my merge-proposal is good for that....
[13:33] <teward> ok, was merely curious.  was also tempted to put it up on one of the mailing lists given the extreme size of problems I can anticipate happening with that issue, both here and in the Desktop side, was merely curious if you ever got a reply on -devel :)
[13:33] <cyphermox> matsubara: what about?
[13:33] <teward> cyphermox: the debian-installer issue where the keyboard layout selection is nonexistent
[13:34]  * teward hunts down the bug
[13:34] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1559507
[13:34] <smoser> jamespage, ack. will upload
[13:34] <teward> cyphermox: there's reports Ubiquity has a similar issue on the GUIs, but not sure if it's related - (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1549529)
[13:35] <teward> though i'm more interested in the server installer issue :P
[13:35] <cyphermox> ok, I will look into it just after I'm done with netcfg
[13:36] <teward> cyphermox: thank you kindly.  matsubara did some initial hunting into the issue, and commented on the first bug (debian-installer) with a possible issue cause, but I think we were both waiting for someone more aware of how debian-installer operates to peek at it?
[13:36]  * teward shrugs
[13:36] <teward> in any case, thanks for looking at it (when you get to it)
[13:36]  * teward goes and pokes nginx some more
[13:37] <matsubara> thanks cyphermox
[13:37] <matsubara> and teward as well
[13:37] <teward> pfft.  i just don't like it when the Lubuntu team tries to bother me into nagging people about bug states heh
[13:37] <jamespage> smoser, ta thankyou very much!
[13:38] <teward> ultimately doesn't affect me, given i'm using US-English, but for others, I can see why it'd be evil
[13:51] <devster31> with resolvconf and dnsmasq what's the correct file to edit to set google DNS servers? resolv.conf is manged by resolvconf, so that's not an option
[13:51] <jamespage> cpaelzer, dpdk uploaded - I feel I'm only really reviewing technically the packaging now as your dpdk jitsu is far ahead of mine now...
[13:51] <TJ-> devster31: is the system using ifupdown or network-manager?
[13:52] <rbasak> devster31: try https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/. A little old but I think some of it is still relevant.
[13:53] <rbasak> Using dnsmasq on a server seems a little odd though
[13:53] <devster31> TJ-: how do I check, it's 15.04 with systemd, nothing fancy installed
[13:54] <devster31> rbasak: it's for SOHO use, I have some machines that I want to access with their domain name but their local IPs
[13:54] <TJ-> devster31: is it configured via /etc/network/interfaces (ifupdown)
[13:54] <devster31> and I don't know enough about DNS to set up a full dns server
[14:02] <devster31> TJ-: doesn't that add the dns server to the interfaces though? if I use it for other machines it won't work right?
[14:03] <reveal> What would cause %post and %packages to not actually install or work as intended for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Server inside a kickstart file
[14:04] <allquixotic_> Hi, I want to install a package (parted) from the shell in the Ubuntu Server installer booted from the CD. But dpkg and apt-get are not available in the environment. Is there any way to do this?
[14:04] <TJ-> devster31: if it uses ifupdown with a dns-nameservers entry in /etc/network/interfaces, then resolvconf will set the name-servers in /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf, which is sym-linked from /etc/resolv.conf
[14:07] <cpaelzer> jamespage: thank you - I'll let my jitso wreak havok on update excuses then if it shows up there
[14:09] <jamespage> cpaelzer, now I just need to figure out how to make this all work with openstack...
[14:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: not that I assume I would be a big help compared to your openstack-jitsu but let me know if I can
[14:11] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I've added the 'userspace-networking' flag to the ovs charm
[14:12] <jamespage> just need to muddle through allocating pci devices and injecting them into ovs now...
[14:15] <jamespage> cpaelzer, ok so how to I tell ovs/dpdk to slurp up a virtio device?
[14:17] <jamespage> cpaelzer, oh wait I see - it does that automatically
[14:17]  * jamespage just lost connectivity to a compute host
[14:18] <devster31> TJ-: ok, what's the difference if I add it to resolvconf.conf with something like name_servers_append ? also, should I add nohook resolv.conf to the dhcpcd.conf file?
[14:36] <jamespage> cpaelzer, do I need your latest update to get virtio-net devices working directly with dpdk?
[14:36] <jamespage> blacklisting does not appear to be working atmmm
[14:39] <Jajce> Hey everyone! I have one small silly question. Is it possible to enforce apparmor to log to a separate file instead of logging everything to /var/log/audit/audit.log ?
[14:40] <tyhicks> Jajce: hello - there's nothing in the AppArmor project that allows for that
[14:41] <tyhicks> Jajce: however, you may be able to configure auditd to log AppArmor messages to another file
[14:41] <tyhicks> Jajce: I wouldn't know how to do that off the top of my head but the auditd.conf man page is usually pretty easy to read through
[14:42] <Jajce> hm, thanks for suggestion, going into auditd.conf then :)
[14:45] <RoyK> tyhicks: if it logs to syslog, there should be filtering possibilities there, in rsyslog
[14:46] <tyhicks> Jajce: ^ RoyK's suggestion only works if you uninstall (or stop) auditd
[14:47] <Jajce> tyhicks: Royk: ok, thanks, I actually tried that one and failed. Now I know why :D
[14:50] <reveal> in kickstart does %post represent installing applications after the install
[14:54] <jamespage> beisner, the daily xenial images lack locale data and libvirt-bin won't install as a result...
[14:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you need the latest update to work with openstack-dpdk
[14:59] <cpaelzer> jamespage: without the update you will run into bug 1559912
[15:00] <cpaelzer> tl;dr - segfault of openvswitch when calling into dpdk lib
[15:02] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you said blacklisting doesn't work how does it look like atm?
[15:05] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I consolidated some of my logs so you can compare http://paste.ubuntu.com/15480059/
[15:37] <jjrabbit543> hello
[15:37] <jjrabbit543> anybody know what df stands for?
[15:37] <Pici> disk free/file
[15:41] <jjrabbit543> Pici: ty that will help me remember better
[15:42] <beisner> jamespage, ack understood, just added to the bug to confirm from the test automation vantage point.
[15:47] <mahmoh> j^2: you may be interested in this too in case: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases and here's an example I think: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-hardened/2014-February/000735.html
[16:02] <cyphermox> rharper: I'm reviewing/sponsoring your multipath-tools merge
[16:02] <cyphermox> caribou: ^
[16:05] <cyphermox> caribou: jgrimm: sorry for the trouble / miscommunication
[16:06] <jgrimm> cyphermox, oh cool! i got crickets yesterday, and knew you were swamped
[16:06] <cyphermox> yeah sorry
[16:06] <caribou> jgrimm: cool, that's one less on my plate :)
[16:06] <jgrimm> looking for ways to spread the work, totally appreciate your time
[16:06] <cyphermox> it was escalated to me an hour ago by slangasek
[16:06] <jgrimm> thanks you both!
[16:09] <caribou> jgrimm: np
[17:00] <codewaffle> can someone point me to where to start with building OpenLDAP against OpenSSL (instead of GnuTLS) into a .deb that can then be installed on multiple servers via dpkg?
[17:01] <codewaffle> actually I think I nailed my search right after asking, sorry :/
[17:03] <tarpman> codewaffle: apt-get source, change debian/control to build-depend on libssl-dev instead of libgnutls-dev, change debian/configure.options to build --with-tls=openssl instead of gnutls, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[17:04] <tarpman> codewaffle: er, and a dch -l in there somewhere.
[17:05] <tarpman> codewaffle: if you're having specific issues with gnutls, bug reports would be appreciated
[17:09] <jjrabbit543> redhat costs money right?
[17:09] <sarnold> yes but if you want a variant without support there's centos
[17:14] <jjrabbit543> so is ubuntu-server geared more towards home users then?
[17:16] <sarnold> ubuntu has far more things packaged, and there's more support available for free users, but if you want to buy support contracts from canonical that's certainly an option :)
[17:17] <ChibaPet> jjrabbit543: http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2016/01/13/att-adopts-canonicals-ubuntu-in-push-to-replace-proprietary-systems-with-open-source-tech/
[17:17] <ChibaPet> Some users and vast enterprise operations, yeah.
[17:17] <ChibaPet> s/Some/Home/
[17:21] <TJ-> Has anyone seen problems with 16.04 mariadb, default install, not being able to log-in to the database over TCP, or over socket as any user other than root?
[17:22] <jjrabbit543> who is canonical?
[17:23] <jjrabbit543> tech support company for ubuntu?
[17:23] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: canonical employs many of the people who work on the ubuntu distribution -- including e.g. me ;)
[17:23] <jjrabbit543> no way
[17:23] <jjrabbit543> that's pretty cool
[17:24] <jjrabbit543> so that's how you know all this stuff
[17:25] <sarnold> well, many of the ubuntu-specific details anyway; i've been using linux for 22 or 23 years now, ubuntu only eight or nine years, and been a canonical employee for less than four years
[17:26] <ChibaPet> sarnold has been using Linux longer than me. I clung onto BSD for a long time.
[17:27] <sarnold> :)
[17:27] <sarnold> there's a lot I liked about the various BSDs
[17:27] <sarnold> maybe if i'd started there first it would have 'stuck' better
[17:31] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I can't get pci-blacklist to work
[17:31] <jamespage> if I use that, ovs-vswitchd fails to start....
[17:31]  * jamespage scratches his head
[17:31] <jamespage> and if I don't, I lose the node...
[17:41] <jjrabbit543> bsd isn't linux?
[17:41] <sarnold> bsd predates linux by 15 years or so :)
[17:42] <jjrabbit543> ah ok nvm
[17:42] <sarnold> there's some shared code, and there's many applications that run on both bsds and linuxes well, but they're mostly independant systems
[17:45] <PresidentTrump> hi, which folder should I be putting user installed php libraries in?
[17:46] <PresidentTrump> offcially which folder? I know I can do whatever I want...
[17:47] <j^2> mahmoh: thanks :D
[17:47] <mahmoh> np
[17:53] <j^2> mahmoh: i’m still straighting things out over here. but i’m making progress :)
[17:54] <mahmoh> j^2: scream if you need to
[17:54] <j^2> you know i will buddy you know i will ;)
[17:55] <cpaelzer> jamespage: what I've seen with the blacklist when passing as parms is that it rally cares about being two arguments
[17:55] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so "--pci-blacklist 000:00:03.0" won't work it has to be "--pci-blacklist 000:00:03.0"
[17:55] <nacc> PresidentTrump: what do you mean by php libraries? extensions (.so files) or php packages (a la composer ror whatever)?
[17:56] <cpaelzer> jamespage: what way does it fail to start btw - do you have a log and a commandline that I could debug on tomorrow morning?
[17:56] <jamespage> cpaelzer, its weird - I could not get ovs to start under systemd start
[17:56] <jamespage> but I can run the same command from the command line ok
[17:56] <jamespage> weird...
[17:56] <nacc> cpaelzer: aren't those identical strings? (was one suppoesed to contain =)?
[17:56] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I had no = sign
[17:57] <cpaelzer> jamespage: there are also shortopts -b and -w if that might help
[17:57] <cpaelzer> jamespage: http://dpdk.org/doc/guides-1.8/testpmd_app_ug/run_app.html
[17:57] <cpaelzer> jamespage: it might be important where before/after the -- you sort that in
[17:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you might refer to that git repo I had posted before, it has a script which does that
[17:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: it echoes to /etc/default/op... and restarts the service - was working yesterday
[18:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'm leaving now, if you are still stuck when you hit EOD please drop me a mail if I can help
[19:52] <jvwjgames> I have a question
[19:53] <jvwjgames> Me and my brother are building an earthquake early warning system and was wondering if there is a way to convert a high-pitch signal into an alert
[19:53] <jvwjgames> Basically here is how are earthquake early warning system
[19:53] <jvwjgames> Will work
[19:53] <teward> jvwjgames: not sure how this is on topic here?
[19:53] <jvwjgames> We are using amateur radios so that we can detect the earthquake on the fault line and we then have a master amateur radio that links to my house and then from there over to Bluetooth to my server and then for my server out to all phones that are connected over the Internet to the service and then when the earthquake gets detected a high pitched sound gets transmitted over the amateur radio network and then the high pitch
[19:53] <teward> sounds like you need an engineer, not a support chat room
[19:55] <jvwjgames> Don't reason I asked in this room is because I have a Ubuntu server and I was wondering if there's a program that can convert high pitched signal tune alert
[19:55] <jvwjgames> The only reason*
[19:56] <jvwjgames> To an alert*
[19:57] <sarnold> jvwjgames: investigate packet radio, ax25
[20:01] <TJ-> jvwjgames: if the pitch of the warning tone is at a predictable, and is fed into the server via,say, audio line-in, it should be pretty easy to arrange to perform real-time spectral analysis (using Fast Fourier Transform libraries/tools) that trigger the alert
[20:02] <jvwjgames> And I have fail safes in place
[20:03] <jvwjgames> So if the internet goes out during the earthquake it will reroute to cell towers for internet
[20:03] <jvwjgames> internet-based if my power gets knocked out battery backup
[20:04] <jvwjgames> And if my*
[20:07] <TJ-> jvwjgames: may be worth investigating puredata with the pd-fftease plug-in
[20:07] <jvwjgames> What is puredata
[20:13] <TJ-> !info puredata | jvwjgames
[23:36] <Chaos_Zero> after logging in with likewise-open, how can I have a network printer automatically added with the same login credentials? Is this what PAM is for? I am not familiar with it.
[23:37] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: what is likewise-open? I don't see it in the repository?
[23:38] <spammy> ok, so the ubuntu openstack instructions suddenly changed...http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack under "Install OpenStack yourself"
[23:39] <spammy> shrugged and decided to give it a try....sadly juju bootstrap fails with openstack-install :(
[23:39] <spammy> error is that "ubuntu/trusty" must be set for juju
[23:39] <spammy> tried setting it via openstack-install....same results
[23:39] <spammy> guess these new instructions aren't quite ready
[23:40] <spammy> where can I find the old instructions?
[23:40] <Deeps> web.archive.org
[23:40] <patdk-lap> how do I get a nfs system to mount at boot on xenial
[23:41] <patdk-lap> seems no matter what I try, it just won't mount it
[23:42] <spammy> Deeps:  of course.  thx
[23:42] <nacc> patdk-lap: what did you try?
[23:43] <nacc> patdk-lap: also, what do yuo mean "nfs system" ?
[23:43] <patdk-lap> nfs server?
[23:43] <patdk-lap> nfs is a protocol that provides a network file system
[23:44] <nacc> patdk-lap: yes, i know
[23:44] <Chaos_Zero> nacc: I don't know if it is a package actually, it is just a method to 'integrate' ubuntu to allow you to log into active directory.
[23:44] <nacc> patdk-lap: do you mean you can't get a client to mount nfs at boot? or you can't get an NFS server to serve NFS properly?
[23:44] <patdk-lap> well, in fstab I have: nfs.example.com:/nfs /mnt/nfs bg,noacl,nfsvers=3,nosuid,nolock,nodev,_netdev,nordirplus 0 0
[23:45] <patdk-lap> well, I have 30 other systems with this nfs mounted on them
[23:45] <patdk-lap> for the last 12 years
[23:45] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: is it part of Ubuntu?
[23:45] <patdk-lap> so I doubt that is the problem with the server
[23:45] <nacc> patdk-lap: i'm just trying to understand what you're trying to do, what you wrote wasn't clear to me
[23:46] <patdk-lap> I think it might just be an issue with bonding/bridging
[23:46] <nacc> patdk-lap: what happens when you attempt to mount /mnt/nfs ?
[23:46] <patdk-lap> seems sometimes network stack comes up without default gateway
[23:46] <patdk-lap> it just works
[23:47] <nacc> patdk-lap: so it's only failing to mount during bootup?
[23:47] <patdk-lap> yes
[23:48] <nacc> if your network stack is able to (does) come up without a gateway, then it seems like that would easily keep nfs from working
[23:48] <patdk-lap> nfs is on another network, not affected or needing the gateway
[23:49] <patdk-lap> including dns
[23:50] <nacc> patdk-lap: would probably need to see logs or something, it's hard to know -- are you uptodate in 16.04?
[23:50] <patdk-lap> as of 30min ago
[23:51] <Chaos_Zero> nacc: No, it is not in the repositories, I think. https://www.powerbrokeropen.org/
[23:51] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: i would contact them :)
[23:52] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: can't really help you with something not in ubuntu
[23:53] <Chaos_Zero> nacc: often IRC channels can be fairly specific without being exact. For example, for this software, I would expect that some ubuntu administrators would have the greatest chance of having user it before.
[23:53] <Chaos_Zero> used*
[23:54] <Chaos_Zero> For example, I see a question about NFS above. Clearly not ubuntu specific.
[23:54] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: it was about nfs configuration in 16.04, pretty ubuntu specific and using ubuntu tooling
[23:54] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: you're right, you might get an answer here
[23:55] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: i simply suggested you contact the people that make the software you're using
[23:56] <Chaos_Zero> very well, I apoligize if I came off strangely. I am not the best at explaining my reaconing, I guess.
[23:56] <Chaos_Zero> reasoning
[23:56] <nacc> Chaos_Zero: no, you're fine, and i wasn't trying to dismiss you either; i just don't know anything about that setup, sorry
[23:57] <Chaos_Zero> Ok, this may be more related: Suppose I add the printer without authentication details using the lpadmin command. If I then try to print using it, I will not be prompted for authentication, It will just sit in the queue as 'held for authentication' until I go there to release it. (14.04)
[23:58] <Chaos_Zero> How can I enable the prompt?