[05:59] <magespawn> good morning
[06:24] <mazal> Mornings
[06:36] <magespawn> hi mazal
[06:39] <magespawn> mazal cell c have a special on until the end of april 5+15 GB with a E5573 LTE Modem for R99 per month 24 month contract
[06:39] <magespawn> if you are interested
[06:41] <chesedo> morning magespawn and magespawn
[06:41] <chesedo> and mazal
[06:41] <chesedo> stupid tab
[06:41] <magespawn> hi chesedo 
[07:02] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[07:22] <chesedo> morning Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[07:35] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[07:35] <magespawn> who is sundry? new friend of yours?
[07:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:35] <magespawn> for those interested in such http://www.commandlinefu.com
[07:35] <Kilos> sundry is radom things hanging around
[07:36] <Kilos> what does foo do
[07:36] <magespawn> ja ek weet oom
[07:36] <Kilos> i asked here yesterday what does sudo apt install foo do
[07:37] <magespawn> foo is usually used as a place holder for the actual name of something, like a command or file name
[07:37] <magespawn> used to illustrate the syntax of a command
[07:40] <MaNI> foo bar baz
[07:41] <MaNI> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
[07:41] <magespawn> knowing the sense of humour people have i would not be surprised that there is an actual program called foo
[07:41] <MaNI> there is an unfoo
[07:42] <MaNI> not sure if there is a foo, but yes it would not surprise
[07:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:42] <magespawn>  metasyntactic variables
[07:43] <Kilos> somewhere in this link was that command
[07:43] <Kilos> https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/
[07:43] <magespawn> i like that, that will confuse most people
[07:43] <Kilos> ive tried using apt and left off thr -get and every thing works and progress bar shows when installing stuff
[07:50] <magespawn> cool beans
[07:52] <Kilos> the installing part is too fast with an i5 and an ssd
[07:58] <mazal> ta magespawn
[07:59] <mazal> Morning everyone I missed
[07:59] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:01]  * mazal chuckles at the foo discussion
[08:03] <magespawn> mazal did you see the special?
[08:04] <mazal> I saw your post ta magespawn
[08:04] <mazal> Is a little light for me though
[08:04] <magespawn> cool
[08:04] <Kilos> mazal what happened with you 3g dongle
[08:04] <mazal> I applied for a 30gig one , still waiting
[08:04] <Kilos> you forgot
[08:04] <magespawn> Kilos: install a really big program
[08:04] <Kilos> whyyyy
[08:05] <magespawn> then you can see the progress bar
[08:05] <mazal> Kilos: I managed to get it open. Had to practically break it open almost. But then discovered my phone's sim is not a 64k sim
[08:05] <Kilos> i have everything i need and all working lekker
[08:06] <Kilos> it should work with any sim i think mazal 
[08:06] <Kilos> anyway if not you just get n new si
[08:06] <Kilos> m
[08:06] <mazal> I remember something that 32k sim don't work. Or only on edge then. Something like that. Too long ago , can't remember
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <Kilos> and im old
[08:06] <magespawn> getting connected to the internet should not be this much work
[08:07] <Kilos> no , every cell tower should provide free wifi
[08:07] <Kilos> oh telkom sending a tech here to check if tower needs upgrading
[08:08] <mazal> Anyway , after discovering that decided to best leave it anyway. Would have killed my airtime when the updates kicked in anyway
[08:09] <mazal> Oh and tried yesterday yo register my phone's sim on Vodacom so I could purchase a data bundle. Couldn't even register cos their confirmation links don't work. The incompetance in this country is scary
[08:09] <mazal> Reported it , till now no answer even
[08:10] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[08:11] <Kilos> yip mazal things just getting worse
[08:11] <mazal> That was during the day yesterday. Though to just convert some airtime to a little data bundle as then it is not so expensive. But ya , that failed like everything else
[08:14] <mazal> I think there is a way to do it on the phone itself via commands as well , but after seeing I have a 32k sim I lost interest
[08:14] <Kilos> im sure fly told me it makes no diffs
[08:15] <mazal> I specifically remember something about it oom. Unless they lied to me then
[08:15] <Kilos> on voda you dial *100# i hink it was
[08:15] <Kilos> either 100 or 111
[08:15] <mazal> They were adamant that I must have a 64k sim. I can remember that
[08:16] <Kilos> superfly if you have time, does it matter if sim in dongle is 32k or 64k
[08:17] <Kilos> isnt that just more place for fone numbers
[08:17] <mazal> They said it's for 3g capability I think
[08:17] <chesedo> Kilos: 64k needed for HSDPA and up
[08:17] <mazal> Ah there we go
[08:17] <Kilos> aha ty
[08:18] <Kilos> wonder if the 18k will improve things more then as well
[08:18] <Kilos> 128k
[08:19] <superfly> Kilos: not really
[08:20] <Kilos> ok ty
[08:20] <superfly> Kilos: but it depends
[08:20] <Kilos> oh
[08:20] <thatgraemeguy> hello peoples
[08:21] <superfly> hi thatgraemeguy
[08:21] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[08:21] <Kilos> on what superfly 
[08:23] <superfly> Kilos: a few things. tell me what you want to use the sim for and what device it is being plugged into
[08:24] <Kilos> in 3g modem
[08:24] <Kilos> one capable of 22mb/s
[08:52] <superfly> 32k should be fine
[08:55] <mazal> Wow cellphone data is crazy expensive. R400 for only 5gig
[08:56] <Kilos> welcome to the worl of mobile data mazal ty superfly 
[08:56] <mazal> Not worth it at that rate. Will wait for my contract to get done one day. At least that's 30gig
[08:56] <Kilos> mobile and gaming dont go together
[08:57] <Kilos> thats why i stopped minetesting
[08:59] <mazal> That is the one thing thing that is holding back mobile very badly , their data rates
[09:00] <mazal> Kilos: Nevermind gaming , at that price it's not even worth it for normal work stuff
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:01] <mazal> Email and web browsing is not even worth it at that price
[09:02] <Kilos> irc uses about 10meg a day and telegram less
[09:03] <Kilos> i must actually check irc again, have many channels ope now adays
[09:03] <mazal> And one can't even use it sparingly as it expires in 30 days. So you are screwed either way
[09:03] <Kilos> yes thats the hassle
[09:03] <Kilos> telkom gives you 2 months before it expires
[09:04] <mazal> Shees we are being exploited badly people
[09:04] <Kilos> die geld god regeer
[09:05] <mazal> Yep
[09:09] <mazal> For now I must stay without it and do my must be doen stuff at work. While this line lasts anyway
[09:09] <mazal> done*
[09:12] <mazal> Oh oom Kilos , you should here the new story Telkom tells us here
[09:12] <Kilos> tell
[09:12] <mazal> The few lines that does still work disconnect all the time as well
[09:13] <mazal> So they say it's Eskom not giving them enough power for the exchange
[09:13] <Kilos> lol
[09:13] <Kilos> thats the modern way
[09:13] <Kilos> pass the buck
[09:13] <Kilos> who me??
[09:13] <Kilos> nono it was him
[09:13] <Kilos> im innocent
[09:14] <mazal> I actually had that experience up close one day here at work. Unbelievable
[09:15] <mazal> So the contractors are busy digging holes right
[09:15] <mazal> For new cameras and stuff
[09:15] <mazal> It catches my eye that these guys are very close to our fibre route
[09:15] <Kilos> hahaha yes its quite astonishing to hear the llies that are used to blame somone else
[09:15] <mazal> So in trying to prevent a disaster before it happens I walk to them to warn them
[09:16] <mazal> 3 guys there. I asked " Who is the manager here "
[09:16] <mazal> They start to actually fight about who the manager is
[09:16] <mazal> Each one says no it's the other one
[09:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:16] <mazal> I actually though these okes are gonna start hitting each other
[09:16] <mazal> I was stunned 
[09:17] <Kilos> no one accepts the blame for anything
[09:17] <mazal> Just waited till the fight was over and they eventually decided who is the manager
[09:17] <mazal> BUT , when the posts and salaries comes then everyone wants to be the manager
[09:18] <Kilos> you should have said after the argument that you wanted to congratulate him and give a good report so he could get a raise then they would fight again in reverse mode
[09:18] <mazal> bwahahahahahaha , Nice plan !!! Gonna do that next time
[09:19] <Kilos> the land of milk and honey
[09:19] <mazal> Shees oom I couldn't belive it. I merely wanted to warn about cable in the area and had to wait for about 15 minutes for the fight to complete
[09:19] <Kilos> became the land of booze and money
[09:19] <Kilos> hahaha yeah its amusing at times
[09:20] <mazal> Problem is , it's us , the clients who must carry the consequences and pay and suffer for all this
[09:20] <Kilos> of course
[09:21] <Kilos> i see now zuma wants to put up more struggle hero statues
[09:21] <magespawn> and the business, economy and the country slide backwards
[09:21] <Kilos> wonder what statues cost
[09:22] <magespawn> less than nkandla
[09:22] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:22] <Kilos> underground bomb proof bunkers and all
[09:23] <Kilos> they know things we dont
[09:27] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch ?
[09:27] <Maaz> mazal: I prefer St Elmo's... but Scooters' deep pan pizza is also very yummy
[09:27] <Kilos> what is st elmos?
[09:27] <mazal> I dunno
[09:28] <Kilos> whoever taught Maaz that will inform us sometime
[09:28] <Kilos> chesedo ^^
[09:29] <chesedo> nope
[09:29] <Kilos> inetpro ^^ and morning
[09:30]  * mazal needs a plan of escape from 12 to 1:10
[09:30] <Kilos> fish and chips are lekker and fish is healthy
[09:30] <mazal> Maybe I need to go look sor some qoutes or something
[09:31] <mazal> I have a feeling I am going to be bothered in that time with something I don't want to do
[09:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:43] <inetpro> oom Kilos, and what was that about?
[09:44]  * inetpro getting hungry now
[09:44] <thatgraemeguy> Kilos: St. Elmos is a pizza place
[09:44] <thatgraemeguy> *was
[09:44] <thatgraemeguy> most are / will be converted to dominos
[09:44] <inetpro> thatgraemeguy: they don't exist any more?
[09:44] <thatgraemeguy> scooters too
[09:45] <inetpro> http://www.stelmos.co.za/
[09:46] <thatgraemeguy> http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Retail/Dominos-Pizza-to-open-shop-in-SA-20140409
[09:46] <thatgraemeguy> so "is" or "was" depends on location
[09:46] <thatgraemeguy> no new ones
[09:47] <inetpro> oh my! 
[09:47] <inetpro> superfly: there goes your favorites
[09:48] <thatgraemeguy> no franchise pizza can beat a proper independently-run place imho
[09:51] <superfly> Domino's is good if you want to taste an American pizza. Seriously, their pepperoni is identical to what is made in the USA.
[09:51] <superfly> If you want an amazing pizza, you can't go wrong with Col'Cacchios
[10:07] <Kilos> what what inetpro ??
[10:08] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[10:08] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos
[10:08] <magespawn> hi Wolfeyes 
[10:08] <Kilos> you on kde?
[10:13] <Wolfeyes> hey magespawn
[10:13] <Wolfeyes> I am!
[10:13] <Kilos> https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/
[10:13] <Kilos> that command they give worked well here and dont need to at-get anymore
[10:13] <Kilos> only apt now
[10:14] <mazal> Will give it a try
[10:15] <mazal> Uhm , what can I install 
[10:16] <Kilos> just apt update
[10:16] <Kilos> apt upgrade
[10:17] <mazal> Sommer installed something small. Like the progress bar
[10:17] <mazal> Is that the one you yestrday said goes fast ?
[10:17] <Kilos> yes
[10:18] <mazal> So for all commands one just remove the -get ?
[10:18] <Kilos> yes
[10:18] <mazal> kewl
[10:19] <Kilos> read what all you can do with it
[10:19] <mazal> This reminds me , it's time for a auto clean
[10:23] <Kilos> try that with apt as well and let me know
[10:24] <mazal> apt doesn't seem to have one
[10:25] <mazal> It's not listed in the man
[10:25] <mazal> Only in apt-get's man
[10:26] <Kilos> just run sudo apt autoclean
[10:26] <Kilos> then tell me
[10:26] <Kilos> i did apt-get autoclean
[10:27] <Kilos> didnt think first
[10:27] <Kilos> should have tried
[10:27] <mazal> I also already did it with apt-get lol
[10:28] <mazal> But one get's this :
[10:28] <mazal> sudo apt autoremove
[10:28] <mazal> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[10:28] <Kilos> ah
[10:28] <mazal> So it doesn't look like it's supported
[10:29] <Kilos> maybe soon then we can forget about the -get
[10:29] <mazal> bbl , needs reboot
[10:29] <superfly> my apt has autoremove
[10:30] <Kilos> oh wow
[10:30] <Kilos> whyyy
[10:30] <Kilos> i just tried it
[10:31] <Kilos> sudo apt autoremove
[10:31] <Kilos> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[10:32] <Kilos> did autoremove with apt-get now gotta restart as well
[10:32] <Kilos> sigh
[10:32] <Wolfeyes> lol @ superfly
[10:32] <Kilos> lotsa kernel stuffs removed
[10:33] <inetpro> if you install apt-doc you can read the full documentation with your browser
[10:33] <inetpro> e.g.: file:///usr/share/doc/apt-doc/guide.html/index.html
[10:34] <Kilos> ai! more reading
[10:34] <inetpro> hmm...
[10:34] <Kilos> mein kopf is kaput
[10:35] <Kilos> ist
[10:35] <inetpro> but looks like there's not much about apt itself there just yet, unfortunately
[10:35] <Kilos> whew
[10:35] <Kilos> that saves some eyestrain ty
[10:36] <Kilos> ive read so much clearance and visa stuff i even know what clothes they wear
[10:37] <superfly> Kilos: I'm running 16.04
[10:37] <Kilos> oh yes ty
[10:37] <Kilos> thought you had done some of your own hacking
[10:38] <superfly> no, I only hack my own stuff
[10:38] <superfly> and that's why I use Kubuntu/Debian. so that I don't have to spend days reconfiguring my PC.
[10:40] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <Wolfeyes> lol
[10:51] <Wolfeyes> heya Na3iL
[10:51] <Na3iL> Hey Wolfeyes :D
[11:11] <Kilos> i go eat lunch
[11:59] <magespawn> bbl
[12:11] <Wolfeyes> wb Kilos
[12:11] <Kilos> ty 
[12:11] <Wolfeyes> yw
[12:12] <mazal> Ouens julle het my so honger gemaak vandag ek gaan maar pizza eet na werk :P
[12:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:12] <mazal> Ons het nou nie daai smart plekke nie , maar dit moet maar doen
[12:13] <mazal> btw oom , Telkom called me now re the broken cable. " They will see what they can do "
[12:13] <Kilos> watse kos winkels het julle daar mazal 
[12:13] <Kilos> yay
[12:14] <Kilos> ek kan nie eers onthou hoe lyk daai plek nie
[12:14] <mazal> I am not gonna retract my cancellation though , if they fix it good , if they don't I don't care. Will still wait for my mobile rather. Cable not an option is this town anymore
[12:14] <mazal> We just have these small owned shops oom
[12:15] <mazal> Roadhouse , steak house , bar gril etc.
[12:15] <Kilos> wow
[12:15] <magespawn> hey hey
[12:15] <mazal> The only big name we have is Wimpy
[12:15] <Kilos> no kentucky
[12:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[12:16] <mazal> no kfc . steers , spur any of those
[12:17] <Kilos> you should accept adsl if they fix it. mobile is too costly
[12:17] <Kilos> just get mobile working as a backup
[12:18] <Kilos> does their router have adsl and 3g options
[12:25] <mazal> Kilos: It is very clear that cable is not an option in this town anymore
[12:26] <mazal> I don't want something that is broken every now and then and takes more than a month to repair
[12:26] <Kilos> ok
[12:26] <mazal> I am one of those people that will rather have nothing than something I can't depend on
[12:27] <Kilos> ballie nap time
[12:27] <mazal> Bye oom , lekker aand
[12:27] <Kilos> dankie seun jy ook
[12:29] <mazal> Think I'm also gonna duck
[12:29] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:40] <superfly> I've got a weird question... does anyone remember an Afrikaans kids TV series from the early 80's about space, with puppets?
[12:40] <superfly> Kilos: ^^
[12:46] <magespawn> superfly: any more details than that?
[12:46] <magespawn> i seem to remember something 
[12:47] <superfly> I can picture it in my head, but I can't remember what it was called
[12:47] <magespawn> sort of like a star trek? and you could see the strings on the space ships
[12:47] <superfly> the first episode started with a particular space ranger guy who was hoping to have some holiday, but had to go back out again on another mission
[12:48] <superfly> everything was puppetry
[12:48] <magespawn> yes, although i can't remember what it was called
[12:49] <superfly> found it
[12:49] <superfly> Interster
[12:49] <superfly> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interster
[12:52] <magespawn> yup that is the one
[12:56] <magespawn> it always astounds me th amount of effort people will put into something like a tv show
[13:59] <Kilos> superfly not liewe heksie
[13:59] <Kilos> ill tell you when sis gets home
[14:00] <superfly> Kilos: it's OK, I figured it out. And no, not Liewe Heksie
[14:00] <superfly> it was called Interster
[14:00] <Kilos> i never saw that
[14:02] <Wolfeyes> I remember that.
[17:54]  * Kilos looks around
[18:04] <Kilos> nightrall sleep tight
[18:23] <superfly> Maaz: announce Don't forget, there's a DebConf16 meeting in #debconf-team on irc.debian.org tonight at 20:30 SAST
[18:23] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Don't forget, there's a DebConf16 meeting in #debconf-team on irc.debian.org tonight at 20:30 SAST