| bluesabre | flocculant: updated the pad | 02:29 |
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| Unit193 | flocculant: Now getting hit by LP 1560459 too. | 02:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1560459 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with GLib.GError in customize_installer(): vte-pty-error: grantpt failed: Operation not permitted (1)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560459 | 02:31 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: ...So using the workaround for that bug, install works. Not sure if bug fixed or that workaround just works for that too. >_> | 02:51 |
| bluesabre | knome: added a bit to the cloud article, not sure what else we need there unless we want team commentary on these posts | 03:11 |
| bluesabre | like | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | Simon (XPL): "I really like how Spotify plays music, better than my old tape deck of 80s mix tapes" | 03:13 |
| bluesabre | knome: confirmed that docs seem good now | 03:31 |
| bluesabre | I'll wait until morning, then reach out to -devel and upload | 03:32 |
| bluesabre | night all | 03:32 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 03:32 |
| flocculant | Unit193: I'd not say the existence of a cli workround to fix the gui update tool counts as fixed :p | 07:49 |
| Unit193 | Right, though not sure if it's the workaround that helped or ubiquity was fixed, and broken differently. :P | 07:50 |
| flocculant | no idea - not looked since Saturday :) | 07:50 |
| Unit193 | Sure, sure. And at this point too late anyway, I'd think. | 07:50 |
| flocculant | who knows - given that the images are all getting marked as critical fails - I'd expect a rebuild :p | 07:51 |
| flocculant | if I get time I'll do an upgrade test - but you know how quick they are ... | 07:51 |
| flocculant | and rebuilding :p | 08:02 |
| Unit193 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.21.51 that sounds important. | 08:17 |
| Unit193 | FWIW, I started new builds too, but they'll take a bit to build.. :/ | 08:24 |
| flocculant | yes - that does sound important :p | 08:24 |
| flocculant | also ack that | 08:25 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Bah, back to the first issue. So workaround works for this problem too. | 09:53 |
| flexiondotorg | Have you tested the new beta 2 isos? | 09:58 |
| flexiondotorg | Is Ubiquity still crashing for Xubuntu? | 09:58 |
| Unit193 | flexiondotorg: Different thing. | 09:59 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, but is Ubiquity working for you? | 10:00 |
| Unit193 | Not for what I'm doing no, but that's not to say the Beta 2 images don't install fine. | 10:01 |
| akxwi-dave | flexiondotorg, just testing the new beta 2 as we speak... Ubiquity seems ok so far.. got to the try xubuntu screen this time.. :-) | 10:34 |
| flexiondotorg | akxwi-dave, Thanks. In which case I've got a borked package :-( | 10:35 |
| flexiondotorg | And uninstallable images. | 10:35 |
| akxwi-dave | just about to run the full install as well. | 10:36 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: building here, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.3, suppose you could start another rebuild once its published | 11:12 |
| bluesabre | knome: looks like we're still waiting for a new ubiquity-slideshow upload (vertical list of app icons) | 11:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, hmm. | 11:27 |
| knome | bluesabre, well, it'll land when the translations are uploaded i guess | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | just thought I'd let you know :) | 11:27 |
| knome | the last time i checked though, it looked like many flavors had the old 15.10 slideshows | 11:28 |
| knome | i just bumped their version numbers up | 11:28 |
| knome | i would imagine they want to update those as well | 11:28 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: mmm - even if I rebuild will it have that new docs package if it's in proposed? | 12:21 |
| flocculant | guess not "Not touching package due to block request by freeze (contact #ubuntu-release if update is needed) " in excuses ... | 12:22 |
| flocculant | aah I see your request in -release now :) | 12:25 |
| ric_s | Hi, Is there a maximum number of photos to send to xubuntu contest? I did not find this information | 13:26 |
| knome | ric_s, not really; though we don't want to encourage people to send their whole photo directory for obvious reasons :) | 13:31 |
| ric_s | 1000 pictures is a good number? | 13:32 |
| ric_s | joke ;) | 13:32 |
| knome | pick 10 best | 13:32 |
| knome | :) | 13:33 |
| knome | or sth... | 13:33 |
| ric_s | thanks for the reply knome :) | 13:33 |
| knome | np | 13:33 |
| knome | thanks for participating and good luck! | 13:33 |
| ric_s | tks | 13:33 |
| Nairwolf | I'm gonna do upgrade test with the Beta 2 ;) | 13:43 |
| akxwi-dave | good luck,, | 13:53 |
| Nairwolf | thanks | 13:55 |
| Nairwolf | it's really long to upgrade my system ^^ | 15:04 |
| akxwi-dave | still going? | 15:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre knome: so I set an upgrade going this afternoon - it does boot to what appears to be a xenial desktop, even so - dpkg configure is still running now 5 minutes after I got that far :) | 17:21 |
| flocculant | knome: grabbed docs from -proposed, looks right eg no contr stuff, pdf looks right, not sure that it needs the green thing now the contr stuff has gone, no need to differentiate | 17:26 |
| mexchip | hi | 18:21 |
| mexchip | I'd like to ask a question regarding this bug: | 18:21 |
| mexchip | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1560459 | 18:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1560459 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with GLib.GError in customize_installer(): vte-pty-error: grantpt failed: Operation not permitted (1)" [Critical,Fix released] | 18:21 |
| mexchip | yesterday I tried the 20160322 image and encountered that bug | 18:22 |
| mexchip | today, I see a fix has been released | 18:22 |
| mexchip | my question is, how long could it take for the fix to be applied to a new live image? | 18:23 |
| mexchip | so that I can repeat the test | 18:23 |
| mexchip | to confirm the bug has been solved | 18:23 |
| flocculant | mexchip: there was a rebuild about 10 hours ago - the bug is fixed | 18:28 |
| flocculant | mexchip: in future you can check for rebuilds on milestones fairly easily - go to tracker - check the version - we're now at 20160323 | 18:29 |
| flocculant | if there were further rebuilds *today* then you'd see 20160323.1, .2 etc | 18:29 |
| flocculant | mexchip: finally - thanks for testing :) | 18:30 |
| mexchip | yes, I'm already downloading 20160323, but don't know if it included the fix | 18:30 |
| flocculant | yep | 18:30 |
| mexchip | great, I'd give a try once the download finishes | 18:30 |
| mexchip | thanks | 18:30 |
| flocculant | welcome :) | 18:30 |
| flocculant | mexchip: you downloading the whole iso again? | 18:30 |
| flocculant | or do you know about zsync or rsync? | 18:31 |
| mexchip | downloading the whole iso with zsync | 18:32 |
| flocculant | ok - you should keep the old one and just zsync that :) | 18:32 |
| mexchip | I don't have the previous image, downloaded it on another machine | 18:32 |
| flocculant | ack | 18:33 |
| flocculant | just making sure you knew :) | 18:33 |
| mexchip | I had not used zsync before, wished I knew about it before | 18:33 |
| mexchip | thx | 18:34 |
| Nairwolf | hi everyone, I couldn't upgrade my system | 18:35 |
| Nairwolf | I was interrupted, I will try to do it again tonight | 18:35 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: what sort of upgrade? | 18:46 |
| flocculant | mexchip: yea - very handy - I only use it for time to be honest, but if you're somewhere with slow net, or limited bandwidth - very useful :) | 18:47 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: what we going to do about the blueman crash? if there is something we can do of course ... | 18:54 |
| flocculant | oh - now I look I see it's gone upstream :) | 18:54 |
| Nairwolf | from 14.04.4 to 16.04 with the upgrade-manager | 18:54 |
| Nairwolf | As I don't have so much time now before eating, I will test from 15.10 to 16.04 | 18:55 |
| Nairwolf | what is the most urgent to test, with the upgrade-manager, or with a new iso ? | 18:55 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: and did you read the mail to the dev list about upgrades specifically? | 18:55 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: thanks for that btw | 19:00 |
| Nairwolf | yes, of course, flocculant | 19:05 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-appfinder/commit/?id=4f3266b4902cc983385fbe6fee0a26db1002dcfb | 19:05 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: so why tell us the upgrade is broken - when we told *you* and all :) | 19:06 |
| Nairwolf | it is said that the upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 works, but I wanted to verify it again | 19:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: and meh, the upstream appicon of xfce4-notifyd is png and *crap* | 19:06 |
| flocculant | ochosi: evening :) | 19:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i can try to get in touch with jeromeg to refresh it and provide more sizes... i guess we should try that for all of xfce since appstream exposes the crappy default icons now | 19:07 |
| ochosi | evening flocculant | 19:07 |
| ochosi | just stopping by to fix some stuff | 19:07 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i'm wondering whether meanwhile we should patch the xfce packages in our repos to ship the elementary icons instead of the unmaintained upstream crap... | 19:07 |
| ochosi | flocculant: now it's dinner time ;) | 19:08 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 19:08 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant, I'm not sure to understand, are you saying it's not really necessary to test upgrades with hardware ? | 19:10 |
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| knome | flocculant, mm | 19:17 |
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| Unit193 | migrating-upgrading.xml:228: element para: validity error : Element useinput is not declared in para list of possible children | 19:48 |
| Unit193 | migrating-upgrading.xml:228: element useinput: validity error : No declaration for element useinput | 19:48 |
| Unit193 | hardware-devices.xml:173: element para: validity error : Element appliation is not declared in para list of possible children | 19:48 |
| Unit193 | hardware-devices.xml:173: element appliation: validity error : No declaration for element appliation | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | Document fi/index.xml does not validate | 19:49 |
| knome | (: | 19:49 |
| knome | should be fixed now | 19:51 |
| flocculant | knome: not sure how worried you are - but today I got to the get involved slide then install done | 20:33 |
| Nairwolf_ | upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 is also really long... | 20:41 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf_: upgrading via update-manager IS long | 20:42 |
| knome | flocculant, not very | 20:48 |
| flocculant | good enough for me | 20:48 |
| flocculant | PaulW2U: I assume you didn't actually find bug 516237 on the livesession - but should have been 1516237 :) | 21:30 |
| ubottu | bug 516237 in Mudlet "Crash when selecting a search result for "s?"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516237 | 21:30 |
| PaulW2U | flocculant: I think you might be right :) | 21:31 |
| flocculant | I edited it for you :) | 21:31 |
| PaulW2U | Thanks | 21:31 |
| flocculant | knome: draft website page done - won't touch that anymore now | 21:55 |
| knome | :) | 21:55 |
| * knome goes looking | 21:55 | |
| flocculant | :) | 21:55 |
| knome | ...but only if you release the lock | 21:55 |
| flocculant | mmm | 21:56 |
| flocculant | I'm logged out ... | 21:56 |
| knome | haha | 21:56 |
| * flocculant blames sso | 21:56 | |
| knome | it says you are editing | 21:56 |
| knome | taking over.. | 21:56 |
| flocculant | well it's seriously wrong :p | 21:56 |
| flocculant | k | 21:56 |
| flocculant | release notes are more or less finished too now - just need to sort out a few bug removals/movements depending on tracker results | 21:57 |
| knome | looks good to me, added release tag | 21:57 |
| flocculant | and lose the BFRB | 21:57 |
| flocculant | knome: I always forget tags ... | 21:57 |
| knome | hmm | 21:57 |
| knome | maybe remove the excess bold from the note | 21:57 |
| flocculant | like the BFRB ? | 21:57 |
| knome | refresh and see | 21:58 |
| flocculant | refresh which the website one? | 21:58 |
| knome | yes | 21:58 |
| knome | https://xubuntu.org/?p=3788&preview=true | 21:58 |
| flocculant | logging in again :p | 21:58 |
| flocculant | aah right from Minimal upgrade testing was undertaken during this milestone. There ... | 21:59 |
| knome | yep | 21:59 |
| flocculant | just leaving the ... recommended | 21:59 |
| flocculant | yup - works for me :) | 21:59 |
| knome | it felt a bit too much with the next paragraph mostly bold too | 21:59 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant, I can confirm that the upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 works with a real hardware. I know that it has already been tested, but it's better to test twice than one. | 21:59 |
| flocculant | yep - that's fine knome :) | 21:59 |
| Nairwolf | especially with different hardware | 21:59 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: ack thanks :) | 21:59 |
| flocculant | yea ofc | 21:59 |
| knome | so consider an ACK from me for releasing | 22:00 |
| knome | unless it happens to be me to do that | 22:00 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: if I had time - and didn't start using dev almost straight away I could properly upgrade test | 22:00 |
| flocculant | knome: yup - thanks :) | 22:00 |
| flocculant | depends on time - and as infinity - likely I will be snoring :p | 22:01 |
| knome | heh | 22:01 |
| flocculant | couple of resize tests to see results for only | 22:01 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant: tell me if I can do something to help you | 22:01 |
| flocculant | and any extras of course | 22:01 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: resize image tests :p | 22:02 |
| knome | btw, i noticed something today on the contest site... | 22:02 |
| flocculant | knome: ... | 22:02 |
| knome | apparently for some reason you can select not to share your LP username with it | 22:02 |
| flocculant | orly | 22:02 |
| knome | it's no problem in a way | 22:02 |
| flocculant | never noticed that | 22:02 |
| knome | we will just have people's emails directly | 22:02 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant: what does mean "resize image tests" ? | 22:02 |
| flocculant | I did go looking to see the voting bit :) | 22:02 |
| knome | i double-checked today; xubuntu.org always needs it, contest doesn't | 22:03 |
| knome | sooo.. | 22:03 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1301/info | 22:03 |
| flocculant | is the testcase | 22:03 |
| knome | (and yeah, we're using the exact same wordpress and plugin versions, so go figure) | 22:03 |
| flocculant | knome: odd | 22:03 |
| knome | oh | 22:04 |
| flocculant | perhaps because *anyone* can post there - unlike the rest of the site | 22:04 |
| knome | there was one setting thing | 22:04 |
| knome | maybe that helps | 22:04 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:04 |
| * knome facepalms | 22:04 | |
| knome | i have no idea why i didn't see that before | 22:04 |
| knome | anyway | 22:04 |
| knome | it's not a biggie | 22:04 |
| knome | we do have their email addresses anyway for contacting | 22:04 |
| knome | and if they gave a bogus one... their loss | 22:04 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: basically - install (making sure drives is big enough for more than one install) then reboot with the iso - install, it will ask if you want alongside install | 22:05 |
| flocculant | knome: yea | 22:05 |
| Nairwolf | okay, I will test that tomorrow I think | 22:06 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: thanks :) | 22:06 |
| flocculant | though depends on when of course - I might have marked all ready :) | 22:06 |
| Nairwolf | I can't test it tonight because I'm trying tu upgrade Xubuntu from 14.04.4, as I had to stopped it this afternoon | 22:07 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: if you are doing so with the update-manager - it WILL crash, you WILL have to hard reboot :) | 22:08 |
| flocculant | knome: voting works then :) | 22:09 |
| knome | mhm | 22:09 |
| knome | are we voting already then? P | 22:09 |
| knome | :P | 22:09 |
| flocculant | well I did to see :) | 22:09 |
| knome | hahah | 22:09 |
| Nairwolf | I just want to confirm it, flocculant, and mark that this bug is affecting me | 22:10 |
| Nairwolf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1549067 | 22:10 |
| knome | well it should be relatively easy to wipe out the votes if needed | 22:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1555237 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1549067 Upgrade from 14.04.4→ 16.04 dies midway taking out the session." [Critical,In progress] | 22:10 |
| flocculant | cos first off I thought the +/- buttons were rather dim - then once voted on *something* it all became clear | 22:10 |
| flocculant | in more ways than one :p | 22:10 |
| knome | lol | 22:10 |
| knome | yep | 22:10 |
| knome | actually what i should do is add a "neutral" button there too | 22:10 |
| flocculant | knome: why shouldn't team vote on things as they get time? makes sense to me | 22:11 |
| knome | if team should vote, then we should link the team LP to as admins | 22:11 |
| knome | or some else new role that has voting rights | 22:11 |
| knome | (admin is fine though, i don't think anybody would abuse) | 22:11 |
| flocculant | knome: I thought of that while I was there - but then I went back to my default thinking - if not voted yay or nay - fence sitter are you :) | 22:11 |
| knome | it all depends how we want to do the voting | 22:12 |
| flocculant | knome: well yea - I still obviously think we're missing a trick on not having community votes | 22:12 |
| knome | as i said before, i don't have a strong preference | 22:12 |
| knome | we can still hook up -users to a role that can vote | 22:12 |
| knome | though the votes are totals | 22:13 |
| knome | so if we then wanted to vote between the team | 22:13 |
| flocculant | I'd be happy doing something like a civs for the community to whittle it down - then keep the community top vote, then team vote in 5 more | 22:13 |
| flocculant | or something | 22:13 |
| knome | we would have to clear votes or do it manually | 22:13 |
| knome | hmm | 22:13 |
| knome | another option is make team vote | 22:13 |
| knome | and then pick top X from that list | 22:13 |
| knome | and put the rest that have a positive score in CIVS | 22:13 |
| knome | so some moderation from team, but not too much | 22:14 |
| flocculant | or | 22:14 |
| flocculant | have team vote for X, keep a couple, let community pick Y from remainder | 22:14 |
| flocculant | or is that another way of saying what you did ... | 22:14 |
| knome | yes, it's the same | 22:14 |
| flocculant | trouble with that is | 22:15 |
| knome | so basically team decides their winners | 22:15 |
| knome | and the community can vote for the rest that have a positive score | 22:15 |
| flocculant | team might vote on 4 - we want a lot more :) | 22:15 |
| knome | eg. are not completely crap | 22:15 |
| knome | we can also figure out a list of all submissions that have at least one positive vote | 22:15 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:15 |
| knome | though at that point i would probably just let community vote on all | 22:15 |
| knome | because if something has +1 and -7... | 22:16 |
| flocculant | right | 22:16 |
| knome | it's as good/bad as -8 | 22:16 |
| knome | from my POV | 22:16 |
| flocculant | there's a week to sort it out | 22:17 |
| flocculant | I know how to drag info from LP group for civs | 22:17 |
| flocculant | if we want to do that | 22:17 |
| knome | dragging stuff from the contest site to civs on the other hand... | 22:18 |
| knome | actually what i should do is create a template for the contest site that shows all the entries so far | 22:18 |
| flocculant | what's the deadline as far as release schedule goes? | 22:19 |
| flocculant | Final Freeze I assume | 22:19 |
| knome | yes | 22:19 |
| knome | was my thinking that if we got voting done (early) on release week 24, we'd have a few days before FF | 22:19 |
| knome | so we need to make sure bluesabre is around for an upload | 22:20 |
| knome | and might want to do the exception paperwork early | 22:20 |
| flocculant | yea - if we went that way - end civs on the Thursday before week 25 | 22:20 |
| flocculant | then we have Friday to Sunday to choose final lot | 22:21 |
| knome | well we can start the CIVS vote on the day the voting ends if community votes from all | 22:21 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:21 |
| knome | if we want team moderation, then it's a much tighter | 22:21 |
| flocculant | I'd be inclined towards community vote in 10 | 22:21 |
| flocculant | we keep at least top 1 | 22:21 |
| knome | i mean | 22:21 |
| flocculant | team votes on rest | 22:21 |
| knome | ultimately, if the community votes for something that is totally unacceptable | 22:22 |
| knome | the team can have a veto anyway | 22:22 |
| flocculant | yep | 22:22 |
| knome | so there's no reason to apply team moderation before | 22:22 |
| knome | in a way.. | 22:22 |
| flocculant | well | 22:22 |
| flocculant | in that case why bother :) | 22:22 |
| flocculant | here's the ones we want you to vote on | 22:22 |
| knome | well okay, if we have 100 submissions, a CIVS poll is not going to be nice | 22:22 |
| flocculant | right | 22:23 |
| knome | that's my main concern | 22:23 |
| flocculant | and I'd not do it :p | 22:23 |
| knome | especially since the targets are in a different website | 22:23 |
| flocculant | has to be a manageable number | 22:23 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:23 |
| knome | so i'm not really sure what the ideal way is | 22:23 |
| knome | as i said before, we can let the community vote on the site too | 22:23 |
| flocculant | maybe team should vote 12 - then let community vote 6 of those | 22:23 |
| knome | but also we don't have a way to separate votes from different groups... | 22:24 |
| flocculant | yes - but would they? | 22:24 |
| knome | would they vote on CIVS? | 22:24 |
| flocculant | if we civs - we can do LP users | 22:24 |
| flocculant | well they'd get a mail | 22:24 |
| knome | same with the site | 22:24 |
| flocculant | I would if I was just bert | 22:24 |
| knome | we can link -users to voters | 22:24 |
| flocculant | right | 22:25 |
| knome | (currently voting is linked with the admin group, but that's easy to work around) | 22:25 |
| flocculant | we need to see what the rest of team thinks about it I guess | 22:25 |
| knome | yep | 22:26 |
| flocculant | if I'm the only one who thinks we're missing a trick - then *shrug* | 22:26 |
| knome | lol | 22:26 |
| flocculant | not that I'd not keep on banging the drum :D | 22:26 |
| knome | it's just so much easier to do team voting only | 22:26 |
| flocculant | of course | 22:26 |
| knome | well, the last time it was a subteam of team | 22:26 |
| knome | but now we have a better voting mechanism | 22:26 |
| flocculant | only have to count to 7 or so that bother to vote :p | 22:26 |
| knome | so no reason not to involve whole team | 22:26 |
| flocculant | might be best to ping people in channel rather than m/l | 22:27 |
| knome | mhm | 22:28 |
| flocculant | anyway - zebedee is about now :) | 22:28 |
| knome | lol | 22:28 |
| knome | good night :) | 22:28 |
| flocculant | night knome et al :) | 22:28 |
| knome | hello amerigena | 22:28 |
| flocculant | close my eyes and hope I don't see the release note ... | 22:29 |
| knome | hahah | 22:29 |
| knome | fair enough | 22:29 |
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