[00:01] VirtualBox does a better job for easy usage of graphical environments, IMHO. We use KVM for running servers at work, but for any Windows or Linux GUI instances we tend to use Virtualbox. [00:01] Speaking of, ran afoul of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1547297 when testing the i386 image in Virtualbox just now, but otherwise it seems fine! [00:01] Launchpad bug 1547297 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "No auto login in Ubuntu GNOME Xenial" [High,Confirmed] [00:02] (It's possible that it's actually a coincidentally different bug, but I figured more likely that bug was just incorrectly reported as being more specific than it actually is) [00:03] keithzg: can you add plasma5 tag to that bug report and make mention of it please [00:03] seems important [00:04] upgraade from wily was smooth [00:06] * sgclark ponders how she is breaking mergers without commiting stuff [00:06] sgclark: done and done! [00:06] thanks :) [00:50] just installed daily [00:50] on first boot i had oxygen icons in kickoff [00:51] plasma 5.5.5 from staging fixed it [00:51] : Yea that was a problem in 15.10 first boot for me too [00:53] and apt complainig about setting locale failed https://paste.kde.org/pgdfxjdsi [00:54] else seems to be fine for now [00:54] when plasma 5.5.5 and apps land from staging it will be all good :) [00:56] : Staging is pretty solid [00:59] is muon package manager comming to xenial archive or not? [01:03] : I believe Muon Discover is recommend and the pre installed GUI package mananger [01:15] well discover is application manager [01:16] it cannot search packages and show info about them [01:33] removing kmail kontact and akonadi packages frees about 250-300 mb at boot [01:35] best part is that I don't use any of them and they eat so much ram... [04:20] : @sgclark2 I'm still using the staging ppa is that good for testing or should I try the beta 2 image? [08:12] hi ho [08:12] any new builds (with fixed installer)? [08:37] Good morning. [08:44] mitya57: do you have the qtchooser 55-gc9562a1 tarball uploaded somewhere? === jmux_ is now known as jmux [09:17] : I've been looking over http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ and can't find how digikam is being tracked. Is it? [09:18] : I've found the most recent build here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam with version 4.12 [09:18] : which is a 8 month old release [09:19] : is there a mechanism in place to keep track of kde projects not included in KDE Apps? [09:19] : in backports we have 4.9 [09:19] : latest release is 4.14, with 5 to come in May [09:21] !info digikam [09:21] digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.12.0-0ubuntu5 (wily), package size 4353 kB, installed size 16657 kB [09:21] !info digikam xenial [09:21] digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.12.0-0ubuntu6 (xenial), package size 4356 kB, installed size 16662 kB [09:22] : xenial currently has the same version as wily [09:22] huh [09:22] : !info digikam xenial [09:22] : doesn't work form TG [09:24] I figured it wouldn't, so I did it for ya [09:24] : ah [09:24] but damn, it's 2:30am, so to bed with me now [09:24] : I wanted wily [09:24] : not xenial [09:24] that was first [09:24] : ah [09:24] without a version name, it gives current [09:25] : I see [09:25] : thanks [09:25] ta [09:25] have a good day! [09:25] : have a good night [09:25] I think clivejo was wrestling with digikam, but didn't put it on the mat [10:45] @ovidiuflorin / ovidiu-florin: no, we don't have a way to track extra stuff we package. There is https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html which tracks debian. And there might be a system that considers the watch files to check for new upstream releases that I'm not sure if it actually exists or where it would be [10:45] but other than that, it's a developer responsibility to know what we care about and what should be updated before release [11:01] : At this point could we get an updated digikam into xenial? [11:05] yofel: after Beta release we can upload to archive 5.5.5 and new apps without any problems ? [11:07] should I open a FFE for digikam? [11:21] howdy folks [11:22] hi BluesKaj [11:22] hey clivejo [11:26] soee_: "yes", there the quotes come from talking to the release team as the need to manually approve all that [11:27] *they [11:27] clivejo: maybe look at why we would want to have it first. It's an unseeded package, so I wouldn't mind ACKing the FFE myself, but I would like to know why we can't just keep the current one [11:28] updated kipi plugins? [11:34] !info exiv2 xenial [11:34] exiv2 (source: exiv2): EXIF/IPTC metadata manipulation tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.25-2.1 (xenial), package size 76 kB, installed size 241 kB [11:37] well for a start a rebuild using exiv2 would make things a lot more stable by the sounds of it [11:38] Version 0.25-2.1 uploaded on 2015-10-08 [11:39] oh it was rebuilt on the 2016-01-15 for updated qca2 [11:39] uh Vivaldi web browser getting better and better :) [11:46] KCI is very quiet [11:47] I think its dead [11:55] i didn't follow this channel closly last couple of weeks [11:55] so i have to ask [11:55] * clivejo looks for his trout [11:55] will muon package manager be available in xenial? [11:55] sorry if it is already answered [11:55] * mamarley slaps KCl around a bit with a large trout. [11:56] i see its stuck on some old version and it is not installable atm [11:56] i added all staging ppas btw [11:58] snele: http://jriddell.org/2015/11/09/muon-in-need-of-a-maintainer/ [11:59] I believe Rick stepped up, but I dont know what progress has been made [12:00] IRC Nick : sick_rimmit [12:01] AFAIK none, so it's on the list for the archive removal request that I'll file soon [12:01] keithzg also had an interest [12:01] will come back by backport once someone does the compatibility porting [12:02] yofel: can you program? [12:02] yes, that's why I do for a living usually [12:02] what language? [12:03] PHP, JS, ... well, web stuff [12:03] ah [12:05] yofel: thanks for the info. back to synaptic then [12:07] * clivejo wonders where the muon source code is [12:09] clivejo: git clone kde:muon [12:10] is the internet on a go slow today, or is it just my internet [12:11] I blame my ISP usually [12:11] KCI wont respond, cant seem to load quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git [12:12] oh wow, that is slow indeed [12:14] some quick git tha [12:14] that [12:14] dead git [12:15] :) [12:15] but on the plus side my viagra order has been despatched [12:15] still loading after 20 secs [12:18] KCI is giving me 502 proxy errors [12:19] aaaanndddd.... [12:19] boom https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04-beta.php [12:21] all the good stuff just before Xenial release :) [12:22] I can't even ping KCI, looks like the machine is dead [12:22] sitter: ^ [12:22] yofel: you'll want starbuck1 [13:40] yofel: restarted kci machine, should be accessible again via ssh [13:40] starbuck11: thanks! [13:42] so, I figured out what caused http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/Screenshot_20160318_095855.png [13:42] that was an upgrade attempt from trusty, and the upgrade didn't install libqt5quick5 - why is that even possible?!? [13:43] oh, libqt5quick5-gles was installed, except that it didn't work === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:06] yofel, clivejo: Yeah, I was interested. At the time things seemed mostly fine and there was another release done by Harald at riddell's prompting, I think? https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2015/11/22/muon-5-5-and-carrots/ [19:06] I'm still interested, albeit with the caveat that I don't think I know what I'm doing ;) I did briefly have the time to try compiling Muon on xenial yesterday and noticed there were issues. [19:07] To clarify, it compiled, but there were errors when running it. [19:15] hi keithzg [19:15] what needs doing with it? [19:18] clivejo: There were some QApt errors and (I suspect as a result) it was completely missing some menu items, literally everything to do with actual package management. I'm at work now but I'm firing up a VM quick to double-check. [19:21] !info libmuon xenial [19:21] libmuon (source: muon): Runtime files for the Muon package management suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 575 kB, installed size 3158 kB [19:27] have muon compiled from git here on xenial, and seems to work aok with nothing obviously broken [19:28] I mostly use command line or synaptic though, so not tested exhaustively [19:29] it seems to be ported to KF5? [19:30] clivejo: http://i.imgur.com/uqo3iXs.png [19:39] thanks [19:41] acheron88: did you have to do anything special to build it? [19:46] where was libmuon moved to? [19:47] wasn't that always part of muon? [19:47] its not building any libs, that I can see [19:47] or what do you mean with moved? [19:47] ah, the old muon was renamed to libdiscover and is part of plasma-discover [19:48] I guess nothing in muon needs it [19:48] well discover seems to have been moved out [19:48] *the old libmuon [19:48] it's all the same git repo [19:48] no separate libs [19:49] nothing special was needed to compile as far as I recall. just build deps and standard cmake arguments [19:50] did you have discover installed when you compiled it? [19:51] no. got rid of discover as its awful [19:52] I see [19:54] oh FF has been updated and no crashes [19:55] * clivejo dances [20:00] yofel: how's things coming along with regards to beta2 release? [20:00] wxl: ubiquity-dm is busted and a bunch of live-session bugs [20:01] yofel: :( i take it i should mark the images as not ready then and assume you're not planning on release, or do you have some hope still? release team seems to think we're going to release today. [20:01] hm, I can do some upgrade testing... [20:02] wxl: well, If someone tells me how I can debug the thing I *might* have some hope. That I didn't have time to do debugging until an hour ago sure doesn't help with the beta release [20:02] I mean, ubiquity itself does work from the live session, so we *could* release something buggy.... [20:03] yofel: the killer is bug 1561051? [20:03] bug 1561051 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity-DM dies on Kubuntu images" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561051 [20:03] yup [20:03] the live session fallback works, so it's not fatal, you just have no language selection [20:03] yofel: i'll check in with release team. meanwhile, i won't tell you what to do but if it were me, i'd release the beta with the workaround. i wouldn't be so inclined for final. [20:05] clivejo: muon now seems to be giving some QApt errors and a segfault on reload of package cache once installing something [20:06] wasn't the case a week or 2 ago when I compiled it, so something now amiss [20:06] on recompile its the same [20:06] yofel: if you do decide to go ahead, just make sure to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2. otherwise mark not-ready. i'll be willing to do that for you if you need it. [20:07] acheron88: you compiled 5.5.0? [20:08] compiled what was in git, which has had version bumped to 5.5.0 [20:10] to be honest, didn't expect it to work. just tried it out of curiosity when I showed discover the door. [20:13] if it's broke again with the latest xenial packages/updates, not that surprising [20:13] does someone want to update the release notes? ^ [20:13] I'm kind of busy [20:15] acheron88: how do you make it crash? [20:15] clivejo: simply installing a package is one way [20:16] clivejo: installs OK, but defaults while trying to reload package list [20:17] acheron88: Yeah, I hadn't tried compiling it on Xenial until yesterday. I actually didn't get any segfault, but for me it wasn't even surfacing the ability to install packages so I didn't get that far. [20:18] In fairness, although I git pull'd, it wasn't a clean checkout from my earlier compilation on 15.10. [20:18] well update progress idicators dont seem to work [20:18] just 0% to done [20:19] ah it dont like that apt warning!! [20:19] keithzg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15489948/ [20:19] not that that helps much [20:20] it crashes at the end of an apt update [20:21] that would be another reload of the package cache then, same as just after installing a package [20:22] Im installing a package now [20:22] its downloading [20:23] mparillo, ahoneybun, ovidiu-florin: does one of you have time to look at the release notes? [20:24] it installed the package but crashed after installation [20:25] link? [20:26] ahoneybun: a subpage of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2 [20:26] clivejo: yep, right after trying to reload package cache [20:26] needs to be created, see how lubuntu did it [20:26] acheron88: has this only just started happening? [20:27] could it be related to the apt warnings being thrown? [20:28] clivejo: seemed OK a couple of weeks ago, so I guess so [20:29] acheron88: do you have ppas enabled? [20:29] yes, I was about to say should really test against a plain xenial install without ppas [20:30] yofel, let's see if the wiki wants to work for me today [20:30] would have to do that in a VM though, as all my xenial machines are running the ppas to get latest plasma/FW/etc [20:31] Ubuntu Wiki. Ugh. [20:31] nope [20:32] disabled all PPA's and its still crashing [20:32] are you in mparillo ? [20:32] I see some changes already [20:32] A page with the name 'WilyWerewolf/Beta2/Kubuntu' already exists. Try a different name. [20:32] ? [20:32] Xenial [20:32] that's the wrong relase [20:33] clivejo: ah. I really meant that the updated ppa packages themselves might not work well with it [20:33] clivejo: not simply having ppas enabled [20:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2/Kubuntu [20:33] That is the message I get when I try to copy FROM wily to Xenial [20:34] ahoneybun: When I try to follow your link, I see: This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. [20:34] mm [20:34] Can you see the page? [20:35] acheron88: I kinda thought that the warning messages might be the cause [20:35] The repository is insufficiently signed by key *** (weak digest) [20:35] clivejo: when I got a working version I almost certainly had older build-deps and FW packages here [20:35] mparillo, see it now? [20:35] Now I do. In Chrome. Not in Rekonq [20:35] clivejo: no. that's not the prob. I am still on the previous apt version that doesn't suffer that [20:36] acheron88: any idea where the problem might be [20:37] ahoneybun: Are you editing? [20:37] mparillo, yea sorry [20:37] trying not to step over feet here [20:37] No prob. You have the ball. [20:37] acheron88: I just built this version on LP - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+build/9396600 [20:37] lastest Xenial packages [20:38] yofel, what version of Plasma, Applications, and Frameworks are we launching with? [20:38] clivejo: 2 secs [20:38] 5.5, 15.12, 5.18 [20:39] : thanks [20:39] Ill install debugging package [20:39] see it that helps [20:41] yofel, no point release? [20:42] uh... 5.5.5, 15.12.3, 5.18.0 [20:42] oh wait [20:42] oh k [20:42] not beta 2 [20:42] has plasma 5.5.5 been uploaded ? [20:42] 5.5.3, 15.12.1, 5.18.0 is beta2 [20:42] I was just looking into the old notes [20:42] again no, plasma 5.5.4 [20:43] clivejo: /usr/bin/muon: No such file or directory [20:43] not good [20:43] what gave you that error? [20:44] just running muon with your package [20:44] no binary for some reason [20:44] you installed my package? [20:45] yes. twice [20:46] -rwxr-xr-x root/root 511552 2016-03-24 20:08 ./usr/bin/muon [20:46] definately a binary in that .deb [20:46] clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15490153/ [20:46] seems to install, but there is that error [20:47] wonder is it because you have an install already there [20:47] ie your compiled vesion? [20:48] I did 'sudo make uninstall' beforehand on compiled version [20:48] and seemed to do it's job [20:49] thats strange [20:50] will have to try on a fresh xenial VM tomorrow [20:51] this PC has gone from vivid > wiley > xenial > xenial with all testing ppas [20:51] so all on upgrades [20:52] how did you install my deb? [20:52] so may not be a claen an installation of anything as might be wished [20:52] yofel, just need to update some screenshot and the known problems, have someone else double check and we should be golden [20:52] ahoneybun, mparillo: Thanks! [20:53] I can do the known issue list later [20:53] clivejo: gdebi-gtk in first instance, as that is default open with on FF for me. [20:53] ahoneybun: link? [20:53] clivejo: then on 2nd go DLoaded, and then sudo dpkg -i [20:54] ok installed debug symbols, lets crash this baby again [20:55] : np @Yofel [20:58] clivejo: full purge of your package and reinstall has sorted installing anyway. obviously something left over from previous, despite uninstall [20:58] clivejo: still segfaults in at same times [20:59] yeah, Im trying to get a decent bug report! [21:00] debug pkg wants libmuon installed [21:01] I fixed that in ppa3 [21:01] huh, one install randomly gave me oxygen icons in kickoff o.O [21:02] O.O [21:02] clivejo: still had ppa2 build page open! updating [21:03] i guess you guys are aware [21:03] but just in case [21:03] W: gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ppa_staging-misc_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease: The repository is insufficiently signed by key E4DFEC907DEDA4B8A670E8042836CB0A8AC93F7A (weak digest) [21:03] yes, the keys will be fixed soon [21:03] acheron88: the packaging was hacked together to get it to build quickly [21:03] clivejo: no probs. I understand [21:05] : @Yofel screenshots done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2/Kubuntu [21:07] clivejo: 'Could not find debug symbol packages for this application' [21:07] despite being installed [21:08] I wanted to test the code in git [21:08] see if I could find what the problem is [21:08] I cant seem to generate a decent bug report :/ [21:11] clivejo: same here. muon and libQApt dbg packages installed, but it thinks the muon one isn't, so no useful report [21:12] yofel: I have a little perl script that helps with milestoned bugs. Is this the list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field. [21:12] assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=73892&field.milestone%3Alist=73893&field.milestone%3Alist=73894&field.milestone%3Alist=73895&field.milestone%3Alist=74009&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field. [21:12] affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search [21:12] Coming from: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ [21:12] and what exactly does the script do? [21:13] Sort, strip out some whitespace, and put some wiki markup. [21:14] hm, I think our list is short enough that we don't know it. But that might be sweet for doing sane sorting on our affected bug list [21:14] clivejo: gotta leave that there. if I test some of the xenial isos over the weekend, I may try in a fresh install in a VM [21:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15490390/ [21:15] Some manual bits required...I was volunteering to update the milestoned bugs if ahoneybun is out. [21:16] : Not good at scripts lol [21:17] out = done editing [21:17] sorry was debugging [21:17] 0x00007ffff7681183 in QApt::Package::isInstalled() const () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQApt.so.3 [21:17] need to install qapt debugging symbols [21:17] I did [21:17] oh right, we have that list on the page. That would indeed be a nice way to auto-update that [21:17] : I'm done editinf [21:18] : *editing [21:18] acheron88: any clues? [21:21] clivejo: nope, as (1) still does not seem to want to recognise the muon dbg package as being installed [21:22] Bug list updated. When I get bore, I will update my perl script to remove duplicates. [21:22] (2) I'm grap with backtraces anyway [21:22] QApt::Package::isInstalled (this=this@entry=0x116e130) at ../../src/package.cpp:808 [21:22] ahoneybun: Do you see the social media graphis on the release notes? [21:23] Kubuntu is releasing 26th and not 21st ? [21:24] clivejo: really gotta go now. will try in a fresh xenial VM over the weekend. see if that works better [21:24] genii: whatever is on the release schedule [21:24] doubt it! [21:25] seems to be a problem with qapt [21:26] telegram: Release day is the 21st and not the 26th as you indicated to a user in #kubuntu [21:27] clivejo: seems likely. [21:27] what is a releasechecker script? [21:27] "Couldn't find the releasechecker script" [21:27] : I said 26 I mixed up the release notes [21:27] the thing that checks whether there's a new kubuntu version [21:28] : not for me, the images must be on the old page as attachments [21:28] it seems to start tripping up and crashing after that [21:28] libdiscovercommon: /usr/share/libdiscover/applicationsbackend/releasechecker [21:29] libmuon: /usr/share/libmuon/applicationsbackend/releasechecker [21:29] OK, I uploaded them again. [21:31] : thanks! [21:32] How do I highlight you when you are on telegram? [21:34] put an @ in front of the telegram name [21:36] clivejo: trying one of those, despite version mismatch, gets rid of the releasechecker error [21:37] still crashes after the QApt messages though [21:40] just doesn't seem like the git version of muon is happy with whatever packages/versions of QApt, or something else, is in xenial [21:42] or is just busted in some way I didn't manage to trigger when I built a few weeks ago [22:03] that was a huge split! [22:05] indeed [22:07] would this bug report be any use to rick? [22:07] or ovidiu-florin ? [22:08] all bug reports are useful IMO [22:09] : @Sick_Rimmit are you still working on muon? [22:10] is there a KDE bug page for Muon? [22:13] https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=muon&list_id=1344878 [22:13] clivejo: ^^^ [22:14] It's not really set up with pages as such, like lp [22:14] more search oriented [22:14] : What's the current state of muon? [22:15] : Perhaps I can take a look tomorrow [22:15] : After work [22:16] : Its kinda working [22:16] : Kinda? [22:16] : But crashes after refreshing package list [22:17] : And after installing a package [22:17] : Are these reported bugs? [22:18] : Don't think so [22:18] : Muon was unmaintained but I heard Rick was going to take it on [22:24] some of said crashes might've been fixed in discover in the meantime, I remember there being some this cycle. So it's probably worth looking there [22:25] yofel: does this mean anything to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15490856/ [22:25]