[04:02] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-10-to-bring-a-major-unity-8-update-with-new-dash-navigation-502105.shtml
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> nice1 guys
[08:12] <tsimonq2> 3 am hack, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/ refers to Wily as the development release
[08:13] <tsimonq2> not a wiki so I can't easily update
[08:54] <justxux> Hi,I'm from Moldova,love Ubuntu and want to develop for it,especially interested in buying a phone,but phones with pre-installed  Ubuntu  is not disponible in out country. Buying from Bq store is costly and bothersome. On what devices I can install Ubuntu,can you give me some list. Thanks in advance.
[08:55] <popey> !devices | justxux
[08:55] <popey> justxux: nexus 4 is probably the best one to choose, despite it being older
[08:56] <LibreSponge> popey, yeah but it needs work. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/Nexus
[08:56] <popey> that's not nexus 4
[08:57] <popey> the nexus 4 is the most supported device really
[08:57] <LibreSponge> waht is supposed to be then ?
[08:57] <LibreSponge> **What's
[08:57] <justxux> You have Nexus 4?
[08:57] <LibreSponge> Nexus 7 2013.
[08:58] <popey> justxux: i have nexus 4, yes
[09:01] <justxux> So how you flashed your nex=us 4
[09:03] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install justxux
[09:04] <k1l> second hand nexus 4 should be available all over the world :)
[09:05] <k1l> at least the german 2nd hand market is full of nexus 4 with broken displays :X
[09:06] <popey> yeah, they're quite common
[09:20] <justxux> Thanks,but what about bq aquaris android edition
[09:20] <justxux> ?
[09:22] <popey> justxux: might work. we generally don't support it around here, but you probably could flash it with Ubuntu
[09:23] <justxux> popey: Is this my imagination or ubuntu edition of phones cost is higher?
[09:25] <popey> I don't know, i haven't looked at the prices
[09:27] <justxux> Thanks popey , helped me a lot, i was distro-hoping and phone-hoping a lot. Returned to Ubuntu for the last time,  not going anywhere.
[10:22] <msrd0> can someone tell me what I have to enter in TARGET_ARCH_VARIANT for an ARM Cortex v7 processor?
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> wich folder would i delete to remove config settings of dekko? im getting 'detected new account' every time i open dekko, even when successfully added the account
[11:28] <DanChapman> lotuspsychje, just disable dekko's access to that google account in system settings
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> DanChapman: ok tnx
[11:42] <lokinou> hello
[11:43] <lokinou> i just tried to install touch on a nexus 5. After reinstalling it remains stuck on the ubuntu splash screen. I tried cache wipe and factory reset it is still stuck at the spash screen. Did i select the wrong version of ubuntu touch or did I enter any wrong command in the shell ?
[11:44] <lokinou> I basically entered this command, corresponding to the hammerhead device : ubuntu-device-flash --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu" touch --channel="ubuntu-touch/devel" --bootstrap
[12:25] <bshah> lokinou: use the ubports server instead
[12:25] <bshah> system-image.ubports.com
[12:34] <bshah> mariogrip: hi, any update or lead on what issue could be?
[12:39] <mterry> tedg: how's the UAL app-object branch going?
[12:55] <bshah> mariogrip: fwiw, ubuntu-touch from ubports also doesn't boot, mgraesslin just tested, I believe its same issue what pm is hitting
[12:57] <ogra_> bshah, which channel ? stable or rc-proposed ?
[12:58] <bshah> ogra_: devel-proposed and hammerhead
[12:58] <ogra_> (note that any other channels are just trash)
[12:58] <ogra_> yeah, not supposed to boot ... or to be used by anyone
[12:58] <bshah> oh..
[12:59] <ogra_> you want rc-proposed if you want the latest development
[12:59] <ogra_> or stable if you want the latest stable release
[12:59] <popey> s/latest/latest working/
[12:59] <bshah> oh
[13:03] <lokinou> bshah: thanks for the tip, i'll try this immediately
[13:03] <bshah> lokinou: and as others mentioned above.. ^ use stable or rc-proposed channels
[13:06] <lokinou> did the problem come from the devel or from the server ?
[13:07] <bshah> ?
[13:09] <lokinou> i mean, does the nexus5 problem come from the devel channel or from the server address ?
[13:10] <ogra_> both
[13:10] <lokinou> great, ... are changes on the wiki planned ?
[13:11]  * ogra_ thought the wiki points to ubports as first server
[13:12] <lokinou> okay, your solution worked just fine bshah and ogra_
[13:12] <ogra_> :)
[13:14] <dkessel> mariogrip: i see on the ubports server that you are building fp2 images daily now. do any of these have a fix for the "screen cannot be enabled again using the button" issue, and is wifi working?
[13:15] <lokinou> by the way, is there any dock or device that can be plugged on the slimusb port of the phone and have both usb and hdmi output ?
[13:15] <lokinou> i am talking about a nexus5
[13:29] <tedg> mterry: IDK :-(
[13:29] <mterry> tedg: still waiting for feedback?  OK
[13:29] <tedg> mterry: It is now needed, along with your branch, for OTA11 now :-)
[13:30] <mterry> tedg: I should hope so.  Gotta get this convergence train off the ground
[13:30] <tedg> I hear someday it'll happen.
[13:30] <tedg> I'll believe it when someone sends me an M10 ;-)
[13:36] <bshah> ogra_: so.. there is no xenial based working image I believe?
[13:36] <ogra_> probably in 6 months or a year
[13:36] <ogra_> definitely not now, no
[13:36] <bshah> okay
[13:37] <ogra_> it will be re-based at some point or even directly switch to a snappy installation
[13:37] <ogra_> but thats not the current focus
[14:23] <mariogrip> dkessel: not yet
[14:24] <dobey> lokinou: i don't know of any
[14:31] <lokinou> so dobey, the solution would be to have a screen connected through HDMI and use bluetooth for the external devices..... oh I forgot... nexus 5 and bluetooth
[14:55] <d__> Hi
[14:55] <Guest47706> can i install ubuntu touch to desire
[14:55] <Guest47706> z
[20:09] <MaxEd> Hi, I'm still working on a port of Allegro game library to Ubuntu Touch and I'm glad to report I got Mir display initialization and touch input working! But I hit a snag when trying to compile Allegro with Freetype support. CMake in chroot is unable to find libfreetype I just installed via apt-get. I think it is because it is located inside platform directory (arm-linux-gnueabihf/). What can I do to fix this, besides specifying a
[20:11] <MaxEd> Incidently, I would be OK with specifying full path, if only there was any way to manage CMake variables in Ubuntu IDE... But it only has command-line editor, which becomes very unusable when you need to pass a long command line with many -D arguments./
[20:16] <TeiXas> good day
[20:17] <TeiXas> does BQ aquaris e5s already support ubuntu touch?
[20:17] <TeiXas> the e5 HD comes pre installed
[20:17] <TeiXas> but i bought aquaris e5s with android
[20:18] <ogra_> no, you would have to do a new port for it
[20:18] <TeiXas> okay thanks
[20:18] <TeiXas> how hard is to make a port?
[20:19] <TeiXas> or how hard is to make it reliable?
[20:19] <ogra_> there is a wiki at https://ubports.com/
[20:21] <TeiXas> thanks
[20:21] <ogra_> (it isnt trivial)
[20:21] <ogra_> (the porting, not the wiki :) )
[20:22] <TeiXas> what previous knowledge would help?
[20:23] <ogra_> you need to know how to build android ... and you should understand how ubuntu touch works
[20:24] <TeiXas> does the official ubuntu tutorial give such knowledge or similar?
[20:24] <TeiXas> or enough to port to a new device?
[20:25] <ogra_> there is a small android container that carries the hardware abstraction layer (drivers and the few bits to make use of them essentially) ... the main part of porting is to make this bit work (knowing what to rip out, waht to leave in etc) ... and then integrate it with the ubuntu side
[20:27] <TeiXas> Do you think the official tutorial is enough?
[20:28] <ogra_> it is slightly outdated and doesnt cover everything ... you definitely need some prior knowledge (having built anrdoid from source before surely helps, knowing how to hack your way arund in an ubuntu system too)
[20:28] <ogra_> beyond this you can indeed ask gere and on the mailing list if you get stuck
[20:29] <ogra_> *gere
[20:29] <ogra_> bah
[20:29] <ogra_> *here
[20:29] <TeiXas> cool cool
[20:29] <TeiXas> thanks
[21:09] <ozzz> hello all!
[21:12] <ozzz> well i'm leaving idea porting touch to sgh-i847. too small boot slice
[21:13] <ozzz> i did everything, what I able to do with my knowledge
[21:14] <ozzz> but. seems it's impossible to have bool.img lower than 7mb
[21:36] <Glass_> Anybody here?
[21:37] <Glass_> Anybody here?
[21:38] <davmor2> Glass_: yes
[21:38] <ogra_> only 276 people
[21:39] <davmor2> ogra_: shhh the rest of you are meant to be hiding
[21:39]  * ogra_ hides again
[21:40] <davmor2> ogra_: too late now I've seen you, look there you are
[21:40] <Glass_> Lol
[21:40]  * ogra_ crawls deeper under that rock
[21:40] <Glass_> I need some assistance
[21:42] <davmor2> Glass_: you are best to just ask and if people can help you they will
[21:43] <davmor2> Glass_: just don't expect instant answers as some people might really not be here
[21:43] <Glass_> I just installed Ubuntu Studio 14.04 from the latest Kali Linux. My wireless doesn't show up
[21:43] <ogra_> and you come to the ubuntu phone channel to ask this ?
[21:43] <ogra_> :)
[21:43] <Glass_> Well, yes :(
[21:44] <ogra_> gneral support would be in #ubuntu
[21:44] <Glass_> Thanks.
[21:58] <n1cky> I asked a few days ago but didn't recieve a response, has anyone else seen https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/android-4.4
[21:59] <n1cky> Note that xenial kernel is 4.4
[22:00] <ogra_> n1cky, what kind of response would you expect ?
[22:00] <n1cky> I have no idea.
[22:00] <n1cky> I just think it's interesting
[22:01] <ogra_> well, you must have a reason why you post it :)
[22:01] <n1cky> might be nice to run something closer to the xenial kernel on a ubuntu phone
[22:01] <ogra_> it removes some old unused code
[22:02] <ogra_> you can only run the kernel that was created for the device
[22:02] <ogra_> (by adding device patches)
[22:02] <ogra_> android kernels are not comparable to a mainline kernel really
[22:03] <ogra_> the phones are on 3.10 to 3.14 iirc ... 3.14 is the default kernl used by android 4.4
[22:03] <n1cky> That 4.4 isn't referring to Android 4.4, that's refering to Linux 4.4 android-
[22:04] <n1cky> it was in 'experimental', now it's not
[22:05] <ogra_> well, that doesnt change what i wrote above ... there are usually 500-2000 vendor patches in a phone kernel
[22:05] <ogra_> there is no easy way to move away from the version the vendor offers to you
[22:06] <ogra_> (beyond the fact that all the closed source binary drivers are compiled against this kernel version, i.e. you would need to convince all the companies that provide these closed drivers to recompile them for an updated kernel)
[22:06] <n1cky> ahh, yeah that's the bigger problem I hadn't thought of
[22:07] <ogra_> i fear android will always be like that
[22:08] <n1cky> how does nvidia do it's kernel modules then? Because I can run nvidia proprietary gpu driver on any kernel, right?
[22:08] <ogra_> (in case ubuntu would have significant market share that could perhaps change due to possible pressure you can apply to the vendors in that position ... but thats still a bit out :) )
[22:09] <n1cky> so somehow they're distributing kernel modules that aren't tied to a specific version
[22:09] <ogra_> yes, because nvidia cares that they are usable under different kernels and provides some opensrouce code that can interface with the closed source blob
[22:09] <ogra_> most android HW manufacturers dont care about that
[22:10] <ogra_> you get money from a company that builds a phone to compile it for their kernel version against their source tree in the android world
[22:11] <ogra_> if they ned a re-uild they have to ask you again ... or they have to pay more and sign a non disclosure agreement to get the code themselves
[22:11] <ogra_> *need a re-build
[22:12] <ogra_> its business ...
[22:15] <ogra_> this is btw the main reason why there is an android at all container on the ubuntu phones ... we cant re-build the drivers
[22:17] <ozzz> and what about secure boot? i read that not any kernel will work on device
[22:17] <ogra_> is there secureboot for android ?
[22:17]  * ogra_ hasnt heard of it 
[22:18] <ogra_> but in any case ... usually the manufacturer of the phone owns the key ... so if someone like bq comes and wants to ship ubuntu on their phones they will indeed sign our kernel
[22:18] <ozzz> i read that on xda dev forum, but can't find link right now
[22:18] <ogra_> s/phone/device/ (thats really true for any devices)
[22:19] <davmor2> ogra_: there might be in chromeos or for intel based devices but I didn't think it was available on arm
[22:19] <davmor2> could be wrong
[22:19] <ogra_> davmor2, arm has trusted-zone
[22:19] <ogra_> similar thing but different :)
[22:20] <ogra_> (a key on disk that your kernel, bootloader etc gets verified against)
[22:21] <ogra_> thats definitely a blocker for community porters ... but not an issue for manufaturers that work with ubuntu
[22:21] <ozzz> ogra_: how to check if the boot is secured?
[22:21] <ogra_> (like bq or meizu)
[22:21] <ogra_> no idea
[22:22] <ogra_> if you replace the kernel and it doesnt boot anymore it was secured ... i suppose :)
[22:22] <ozzz> i tried installing cm
[22:22] <ozzz> it worked
[22:23] <ozzz> with new jernel of course
[22:23] <ogra_> so its unlikely your have any secureboot enabled
[22:23] <ozzz> that's good news :)
[22:23] <ozzz> bad news is that i'm unable fit boot.img
[22:24] <ozzz> in my phone
[22:25] <ogra_> the ubuntu initrd is a bit bigger than androids
[22:25] <ozzz> 7mb
[22:25] <ogra_> 4.2 ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/armhf/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd/0.94
[22:25] <ozzz> cm has 3mb
[22:26] <ogra_> yeah, it is likely smaller
[22:26] <ozzz> i mean as result boot.img is about 7mb
[22:26] <ogra_> right
[22:26] <ogra_> not much we can do about that
[22:27] <ogra_> all bits that are in the initrd are required to assemble the rootfs on boot
[22:27] <ozzz> I tried to disable drivers, netfilter, ipv6, only 400kb fried
[22:28] <ozzz> yeah, here is nothing to do
[22:29] <ozzz> but that would be interesting to see how touch will work on 500mb ram :)
[22:29] <ogra_> very badly
[22:30] <ogra_> the first device that was used for porting was a galaxy nexus ... that had 500MB ... and was given up
[22:31] <ogra_> 1G is really the minimum
[22:31] <ozzz> yeah...
[22:32] <ozzz> now I thinking about tizen. also would be interesting to try
[23:58] <n1cky> it's hard to port tizen afaik