| bluesabre | evening all | 00:17 |
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| bluesabre | knome: if you want to do the exception paperwork, I'll do the upload | 00:18 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: is that to say blueman is fixed? | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yup, crap png icon | 00:20 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not sure about replacing the icons within ubuntu | 00:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, we still have a lot of time, but yeah, i can do that | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | knome: great | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | knome: how's it going? | 00:24 |
| knome | not too shabby | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | anything you need from me currently? | 00:25 |
| knome | don't think so | 00:26 |
| knome | well if you want to work on the cloud media player article... | 00:27 |
| knome | but i don't have a clear idea how to proceed with that | 00:27 |
| knome | or alternatively, if you want to start on the "other options" article | 00:27 |
| bluesabre | so, nothing immediately needed :) | 00:30 |
| knome | nope | 00:30 |
| bluesabre | I might work on a few bug fixes then | 00:30 |
| bluesabre | I see we got a few interesting submissions | 00:30 |
| knome | but time goes fast so before you notice, the deadlines are around the corner | 00:30 |
| bluesabre | yes | 00:30 |
| knome | i agree that it's better to work on bug fixes at the moment though | 00:30 |
| bluesabre | trying to do a better job of not losing track of time | 00:30 |
| knome | the burndown helps with that | 00:31 |
| bluesabre | yup | 00:31 |
| bluesabre | speaking of | 00:32 |
| knome | :D | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | should http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ redirect to dev? | 00:32 |
| knome | sooner or later, yes | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | ok | 00:32 |
| knome | i'll have to talk with pleia2 on how she wants to do it | 00:32 |
| knome | and that's the beginning of that conversation ^ | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | hi pleia2, glad we have at least one of you | 00:33 |
| knome | https://unsplash.com/photos/U9x5mG0pBiQ | 00:36 |
| bluesabre | that's nice looking | 00:38 |
| knome | yeah, if we want to propose some images from that site to the contest, then that might be a good candidate | 00:39 |
| knome | (i know ochosi already proposed one) | 00:39 |
| bluesabre | I wouldn't be opposed | 00:49 |
| bluesabre | we just have to be careful to not displace other community submissions with things we happen across | 00:50 |
| knome | i see nothing that stops from anybody sending anybody else's submissions | 00:50 |
| knome | another one i like: https://unsplash.com/photos/DMcI0cmYJYk | 01:15 |
| knome | bedtime, see you all later :) | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | knome: since it's just us, I think we just drop t.x.o and do dev | 01:34 |
| pleia2 | if someone wants to see it and doesn't know where it went, chances are they know who to ask :) | 01:35 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: no - that's to say it got reported upstream - but is still as annoying as ever | 07:30 |
| LibreSponge | flocculant: More reporting upstream is good - but how'doya do that ? | 07:37 |
| flocculant | find upstream's bug reporting mechanism - then report the bug :) | 07:37 |
| flocculant | http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html#qa-bugs-upstream | 07:38 |
| dkessel | does http://contest.xubuntu.org/ redirect straight to http://xubuntu.org for anyone else? | 07:40 |
| flocculant | not for me | 07:41 |
| dkessel | funny. well, from a VM it does, from another machine it does not | 07:42 |
| LibreSponge | dkessel: thought it was wpress thingy .. I don't wordpress so it's irrelevant to myself. | 07:49 |
| flocculant | dkessel: well vbox goes to contest site here | 07:54 |
| dkessel | maybe it is because i once was logged in to wp or launchpad or something | 07:56 |
| flocculant | *shrug* | 07:58 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: did you get mate to upgrade properly? | 08:15 |
| flexiondotorg | From 15.10, yes. | 08:15 |
| flocculant | oh | 08:15 |
| flocculant | not awake - didn't notice which it was :p | 08:15 |
| flexiondotorg | I did try from 14.04 (unofficial) but my VM hung part way through. | 08:16 |
| flexiondotorg | I try that again today. | 08:16 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: of course you wouldn't have lts to lts - even more asleep :p | 08:16 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: yea - hangs - hard reboot - dpkg --configure -allofthethings :p | 08:17 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: gotcha, I'll see if I can fix it this weekend | 09:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i know the suggestion to patch all packages in ubuntu is not ideal, however, even if i manage to update most of the crappy icons upstream, that'll take a while | 09:53 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: surprisingly, xfce4-notifyd is the only one that ships an icon too small | 09:54 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, but still, the others are crap ;) | 10:00 |
| knome | pleia2, alright, i'll get that change done now and quickly mail the dev list | 13:07 |
| pleia2 | knome: thanks | 13:07 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: might add a note to the release notes for all milestones from now on along the lines of 'The day after release - the image is out of date. Please use daily images.' | 13:13 |
| flocculant | might meaning unless you ask me not to - I'm going to :p | 13:14 |
| flocculant | hi knome pleia2 :) | 13:14 |
| knome | hello flocculant | 13:14 |
| flocculant | knome: there might be ubuntu main release notes and bug listing - is the syntax <<Include(/path/to/the/notes#buglist)>> ? | 13:27 |
| knome | iirc, no | 13:27 |
| flocculant | ok - I'll dig it out from old notes if I need then | 13:28 |
| flocculant | bbl | 13:28 |
| knome | <<Include(QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/CommonInfrastructure, , from="^##StartQuantalReleaseNotesFeatures", to="##EndQuantalReleaseNotesFeatures")>> | 13:29 |
| knome | flocculant, ^ | 13:29 |
| knome | so the included page needs to have some recognizable (comment) lines you can use with "from" and "to" | 13:29 |
| knome | unless you simply want to include the whole page, in which case the syntax you posted is fine (except that you shouldn't use a / at the beginning of the include path) | 13:30 |
| LibreSponge | knome, got the Y!ahoo eMail about moving from tracker to dev.xubuntu.org - You should've made more-demands in an important eMail like that. Like checkout the dev. part of the wiki etc. But a good effort :) | 13:33 |
| knome | LibreSponge, hum? | 13:34 |
| LibreSponge | just sayin' got the eMail, is all. | 13:34 |
| knome | ..okay | 13:34 |
| flexiondotorg | flocculant, How goes Xubuntu testing? | 16:03 |
| ochosi_ | bluesabre: i've contacted jeromeg about rerfeshing notifyd's icon upstream | 16:52 |
| ochosi_ | bluesabre: i can meanwhile do something for ubuntu, so we can patch in the refreshed icon earlier than it lands upstream (i'm hoping he'll just be ok with it) | 16:53 |
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| flocculant | flexiondotorg: as ever | 18:00 |
| flocculant | knome: thanks :) | 18:13 |
| flocculant | though given the hoohah in release I doubt they're be doing any release notes of any size :p | 18:13 |
| knome | :) | 18:14 |
| knome | ochosi, we should discuss who's eligible to vote anyway | 18:42 |
| ochosi | indeed | 18:43 |
| ochosi | how did we handle that last time? | 18:43 |
| ochosi | members of -team, right? | 18:43 |
| knome | you, me and pleia2 | 18:43 |
| knome | (artwork, marketing, project leads) | 18:43 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 18:43 |
| ochosi | i'm good with that too ;) | 18:43 |
| knome | hah | 18:43 |
| knome | flocculant has bringing up that we should let the community vote | 18:44 |
| knome | +been | 18:44 |
| ochosi | dunno, didn't feel like a good idea last time | 18:45 |
| ochosi | we can discuss it again though | 18:45 |
| knome | i don't have a strong opinion either way | 18:45 |
| ochosi | yeah | 18:46 |
| ochosi | i mean the system of "community-submitted team-picked" seemed to work ok last time | 18:46 |
| flocculant | worked as in 'we ended up with some images that 3 people picked' | 18:47 |
| ochosi | dinner time, bbl | 18:47 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 18:47 |
| knome | i think both ways have their pros and cons | 18:47 |
| flocculant | knome: what doesn't :p | 18:47 |
| knome | beer? | 18:47 |
| flocculant | that has pro's and con's :) | 18:48 |
| knome | hah | 18:48 |
| knome | anyway... | 18:48 |
| knome | sigh | 18:48 |
| knome | should debug the plugin | 18:48 |
| * flocculant is off into release note land once more - final time | 18:48 | |
| flocculant | ish | 18:48 |
| knome | oh hah yeah | 18:55 |
| * knome facepalms | 18:55 | |
| flocculant | knome: if you get 5 can you quickly check the release note for glaring errors - all that's left to remove is the DRAFT note at the top | 19:06 |
| flocculant | definitely added is the last paragraph above Known Issues - and the small Upgrade section (in known issues) | 19:06 |
| flocculant | knome: do we want the announce mail to link to wiki note or the site post? | 19:23 |
| knome | that's a good question | 19:23 |
| knome | i guess we can't get both, so i'd probably go for website, as long as it has a link back to notes | 19:24 |
| flocculant | we only did last time because I wrote it :p | 19:24 |
| knome | hahah | 19:24 |
| flocculant | website links to release notes yep | 19:24 |
| flocculant | though if we're not sending people direct to release notes - maybe we should make it more obvious at the website that people should check them out | 19:26 |
| knome | yep | 19:26 |
| knome | flocculant, ok, i looked and did some format edits | 19:29 |
| flocculant | knome: to what? | 19:33 |
| knome | flocculant, what did you ask me to look at?? | 19:33 |
| knome | :) | 19:33 |
| flocculant | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2/Xubuntu | 19:33 |
| flocculant | that | 19:33 |
| knome | yes, that | 19:33 |
| flocculant | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2/Xubuntu?action=info | 19:33 |
| flocculant | what did you change then? | 19:34 |
| knome | yes | 19:34 |
| knome | shows four edits by me | 19:34 |
| knome | maybe you are hitting cache... | 19:34 |
| flocculant | yea ... | 19:34 |
| knome | :) | 19:34 |
| knome | i'm not THAT silly | 19:34 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:36 |
| flocculant | anyway - I'm happy enough for us to link to website - as long as the release note reading before you try it gets more prominence somehow | 19:37 |
| knome | let's see.. | 19:37 |
| knome | https://xubuntu.org/?p=3788&preview=true <-- better? | 19:40 |
| knome | ok, bbabl | 19:42 |
| flocculant | yea - better - maybe no need to url the notes twice though. | 19:42 |
| flocculant | cya later | 19:42 |
| knome | right, yeah | 19:43 |
| knome | in a normal situation the URL would be only mentioned once | 19:43 |
| knome | but maybe we can just link with "release notes" as the link text | 19:43 |
| * knome goes changes | 19:43 | |
| knome | -s | 19:43 |
| knome | done | 19:43 |
| flocculant | ok thanks - when asked I'll link to there then | 19:44 |
| * knome bows | 19:44 | |
| knome | (and ties) | 19:44 |
| knome | ttyl | 19:44 |
| wxl | flocculant, ochosi: please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2 when you get a chance. thanks! | 20:06 |
| flocculant | wxl: all done | 20:12 |
| wxl | flocculant: thank you sir :) | 20:12 |
| ochosi | thanks flocculant :) | 20:19 |
| flocculant | ochosi: welcome :) | 20:21 |
| pavlushka | is there any specific channel for ubuntu translation support? | 21:09 |
| flocculant | can't get my head around the includes to ubuntu notes - so did it the simple way - just linked to it. | 21:09 |
| pavlushka | flocculant, are you talking to me?? | 21:10 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: no | 21:10 |
| pavlushka | ok, ;) | 21:10 |
| pavlushka | btw, how are you, flocculant ? | 21:12 |
| pavlushka | flocculant, can you tell me, what is "Terve!"? | 21:13 |
| flocculant | pretty good thanks | 21:13 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: use google translate - I'd have to ... | 21:13 |
| knome | "Hello!" | 21:14 |
| flocculant | hi | 21:14 |
| pavlushka | its from the ubiquity-slideshow translation., flocculant | 21:14 |
| knome | you aren't supposed to translate those | 21:14 |
| pavlushka | Hi knome !! | 21:14 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: oh - as knome says - they are supposed to be in different languages | 21:15 |
| knome | i don't know why the notes aren't available there; maybe we need to make sure they aren't translated technically | 21:15 |
| pavlushka | knome, those means "Terve!"? or the slide show? | 21:16 |
| knome | they are greetings in different languages | 21:16 |
| knome | do not translate them | 21:16 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: so the wiki release notes got very long, very detailed, took ages ... thinking now of doing what Ubuntu do - not have milestone release notes - just a release note that we update during the cycle | 21:16 |
| pavlushka | got it, knome ! | 21:17 |
| knome | ok, pushed a new revision in the main branch, and fixes the formatting too (ping: flocculant) | 21:25 |
| knome | apparently i had pushed that to a wrong branch before... | 21:26 |
| flocculant | knome: what are we talking about? | 21:32 |
| knome | flocculant, the slideshow app slide not working... well it wasn't working as i didn't push the fix to the correct branch | 21:32 |
| flocculant | aah right - ok :) | 21:33 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 21:38 |
| knome | hullo | 21:38 |
| bluesabre | hey knome | 21:39 |
| flocculant | evening bluesabre :) | 21:42 |
| bluesabre | hey flocculant | 21:43 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: the wiki notes are complete now - all that will change between now and April is some updating as and when | 21:45 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: that's awesome | 21:46 |
| ochosi | evening all (again) | 22:25 |
| flocculant | hey ochosi :) | 22:26 |
| ochosi | flocculant: wanna briefly discuss your suggestion to let the community vote on the wallpaper submissions? | 22:31 |
| flocculant | ochosi: my point is basically - we should let them do so | 22:32 |
| ochosi | ok | 22:32 |
| flocculant | discussed it a bit last night with knome | 22:32 |
| ochosi | who are "they" though? | 22:33 |
| flocculant | -users | 22:33 |
| knome | anybody can now see the submissions at http://contest.xubuntu.org/submissions/ | 22:33 |
| ochosi | ok, so at least a lp account and being part of the lp group then | 22:34 |
| flocculant | ochosi: but in short something like - they choose x from the pool, team choose y from the choices | 22:34 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:34 |
| flocculant | but then | 22:34 |
| flocculant | as was mooted last night | 22:34 |
| flocculant | if there's 150 submissions - nightmare to get them to vote | 22:34 |
| ochosi | why? | 22:35 |
| knome | especially if it's a CIVS vote... | 22:35 |
| flocculant | depends on how | 22:35 |
| flocculant | ochosi: that ^^ | 22:35 |
| flocculant | OR | 22:35 |
| ochosi | knome: what's a civs vote? | 22:35 |
| knome | http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ | 22:35 |
| knome | ochosi, basically, order of preference | 22:35 |
| flocculant | team chooses x - then community chooses from that smaller pool | 22:35 |
| knome | "Why rank choices? With CIVS, voters rank their choices rather than just picking their one favorite choice. Ranked-choice voting gives more accurate results because it collects more information from voters. It also helps avoid vote splitting and spoilers." | 22:35 |
| ochosi | yeah ok, so why is that a nightmare though? | 22:36 |
| knome | ochosi, because you could technically have 150 different ranks | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | I feel like the window is too small to allow the community to vote | 22:36 |
| flocculant | window? | 22:36 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, so what? we take the top 20 | 22:36 |
| knome | and since the wallpapers aren't visible on the CIVS website, you technically need to have two tabs open at least, and it's hell to go back and forth | 22:36 |
| knome | ochosi, we were talking about "all" | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | the time frame we have between end of comp and gotta upload | 22:37 |
| knome | ochosi, if we pick top 20 for the community to vote, is it a community vote any more? | 22:37 |
| ochosi | knome: ok, going back and forth sounds terrible and like a no-go | 22:37 |
| knome | even doing the voting on the contest site with 150 submissiosn and users having to go through them all sounds like a no-go for me | 22:37 |
| ochosi | ok, if they can't vote through the website directly, it's a nightmare, i agree | 22:38 |
| knome | *i* will click either + or - 150 times, but i don't think many users would | 22:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, but 150 submissions is a nightmare for practically anyone | 22:38 |
| knome | yep. | 22:38 |
| flocculant | of course | 22:38 |
| flocculant | we might have 30 | 22:38 |
| ochosi | we can just limit the contest to the first 50 submissions ;D | 22:38 |
| knome | oh right | 22:38 |
| ochosi | wait, i meant (: | 22:38 |
| * knome submits 29 more quickly | 22:39 | |
| knome | (: | 22:39 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, it would be great if we got such a big response, but i don't consider it very likely | 22:39 |
| ochosi | at least based on the previous contest | 22:39 |
| knome | ochosi, we currently have 21 submissions | 22:39 |
| knome | if it's at all in the same rate, we will end up with lots | 22:39 |
| ochosi | yeah, we had several in the previous one too, but like 70% of them were underwater shots | 22:39 |
| knome | that kind of proves there needs to be team moderation | 22:40 |
| knome | but if there is team moderation and users pick from moderated submissions, is it much different than the team just making the pick anyway? | 22:40 |
| flocculant | anyway - my point in general is that if we're a community flavour - we should give the community chance to do something | 22:40 |
| knome | ultimately, people can use any wallpaper they like | 22:40 |
| ochosi | flocculant: are we not by having a community contest? | 22:41 |
| knome | even the ones that didn't win the contest | 22:41 |
| ochosi | anybody in the community is free to contribute at any given time | 22:41 |
| flocculant | right | 22:41 |
| ochosi | so i don't see that as a strong selling point for who gets to vote | 22:41 |
| flocculant | anyway - I've said enough on this over the last couple of weeks | 22:41 |
| flocculant | I think we're wrong if we don't - nothing is going to be said which will change my mind on that | 22:42 |
| ochosi | right, i'm only readig about it now | 22:42 |
| ochosi | flocculant: srsly? | 22:43 |
| flocculant | seriously what? | 22:43 |
| flocculant | not changing my mind? | 22:43 |
| ochosi | yeah, well if there's nothing that would change your mind i guess all i could say is "thank you for your opinion, no need to further discuss with you" | 22:44 |
| ochosi | and i can't even say i've made up my mind yet | 22:45 |
| flocculant | no - not saying anyone has - I'm just saying that's my position :) | 22:45 |
| ochosi | maybe i was reading a passive-aggressive tone in your message that wasn't there | 22:46 |
| flocculant | nah not at all :) | 22:46 |
| flocculant | that's just my position is all :) | 22:46 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 22:46 |
| flocculant | well release is looking like silly o'clock with a possible server respin | 22:47 |
| ochosi | well ok then, i can't say i've finally made up my mind yet, but for me the community contribution aspect is dealt with by having everyone submit whatever they want | 22:48 |
| knome | indeed, whatever they want :) | 22:48 |
| ochosi | whoever takes the pick of those submissions - i hope - would take their time with that | 22:48 |
| ochosi | (iirc it took us several hours last time) | 22:48 |
| knome | it will be faster now since there is no manual process involved | 22:49 |
| ochosi | (and by that i mean the discussions, not the individual sighting of the submissions) | 22:49 |
| knome | eg. everybody who is eligible to vote logs in to the site, and clicks + or - on each submission | 22:49 |
| knome | then we get the totals | 22:49 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:49 |
| knome | at that point it's easy to fine-tune | 22:49 |
| ochosi | last time we actually discussed quite a bit | 22:49 |
| knome | yes | 22:49 |
| flocculant | and who is currently elgible to vote? | 22:49 |
| flocculant | knome: ^^ | 22:49 |
| ochosi | judging from the blog post it's -team | 22:50 |
| knome | flocculant, currently ~xubuntu-website but i can link any LP team to that by a few clicks | 22:50 |
| ochosi | or someone in team | 22:50 |
| knome | ^ technically | 22:50 |
| knome | if we want -users to vote, then i need to write a few lines of code and a few clicks | 22:50 |
| knome | (because we don't want to make users admins) | 22:50 |
| ochosi | good thinking! | 22:50 |
| ochosi | i dunno, personally i'm totally fine with a committee or some representatives of -team even to go and decide on this | 22:51 |
| ochosi | i don't even have to be part of that select group | 22:51 |
| ochosi | but anyway, the look and feel of xubuntu is currently in the hands of the artwork team | 22:51 |
| knome | letting all -team vote would mean more perspectives would likely be represented | 22:52 |
| ochosi | it's not really open to voting either | 22:52 |
| knome | (of course artwork/XPL has always a veto) | 22:52 |
| knome | ..not programming that in in the site | 22:52 |
| ochosi | we can also vote on who gets to vote (: | 22:53 |
| knome | let's bury xubuntu in bureaucracy ;) | 22:53 |
| knome | (not) | 22:53 |
| knome | pleia2, as another old CC'er, what's your take on this? | 22:54 |
| flocculant | night all - if the beta get's released real late and no-one is about to publish I'll do it in the morning | 22:54 |
| knome | flocculant, night and thanks for all the work so far :) | 22:55 |
| flocculant | if not - thanks who ever is awake to do it | 22:55 |
| ochosi | flocculant: yup, thanks for the awesome work you did on the release notes! | 22:57 |
| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_HOLS | ||
| pleia2 | I wasn't paying attention | 23:15 |
| knome | again | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | <3 | 23:15 |
| knome | or during the whole CC term? | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | for 6 years! | 23:15 |
| knome | yeah | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | I like -team | 23:15 |
| knome | was discussion about who should vote for winners on the contest | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | and I was serious about not voting because I submitted one | 23:17 |
| knome | you can just not vote on that | 23:17 |
| knome | soon everybody on the team is uneligible | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | but I like it and want it to win :) | 23:17 |
| knome | you, me, ochosi, bluesabre, flocculant already | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:17 |
| knome | then vote for it | 23:17 |
| knome | i mean | 23:17 |
| knome | it's just one +1 | 23:17 |
| knome | if nobody else likes it, it won't win anyway | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | hm? | 23:51 |
| knome | µw¿ | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | :\ | 23:54 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Howdy. | 23:58 |
| knome | Unit193, or in other order, "Why do" | 23:58 |
| bluesabre | hey Unit193 | 23:58 |
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