[00:50] still no beta 2? [00:52] vincelaw: Nope. No beta2 [00:58] soon [01:58] ls /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/klibc^i-t [01:58] do you also have this file ? [02:49] allquixotic, keep me posted if you test that script out === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SonikkuAmerica [04:35] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/ damn, only powerpc and IBM Z builds for now :( [04:37] whops, they are on http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ :) [04:42] pfoo: or, FWIW, you could just use the daily image :) [05:10] I noticed in the RC for ubuntu 16.04 vim is compiled without python support. Will this be changed once released? [05:11] Although, maybe there aren't that many of us who use that. [05:15] It causes some plugins not to work correctly [05:24] ubuntu-desktop beta2 iso not out yet? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/ [05:32] They are on http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ :) [05:32] ryan_turner: ah tnx [05:33] ryan_turner: did you test? [05:34] i mean install [05:50] Waiting on my new pciex m.2 drive first [05:50] ryan_turner: wich brand? [05:52] Samsung 950 pro [05:52] niceee [05:54] I hope so! Just got the xps 13 today [05:54] Came with 256, which IMO isn't enough. So I was shopping 512 GB drives and that just kept glaring at me [05:55] lol [05:55] it will rocknroll with xenial [06:08] Link to beta 2? [06:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/xenial/beta-2/ [06:09] oh wait thats not right [06:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/ [06:09] * Ben64 shrugs [06:12] Ben64: ok found [06:12] http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ [06:13] Ben64: I would have thought that link would be on here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2 ! [06:14] Some one should stick it in this channels message :) [06:17] hmm cant we update daily to beta2? [06:17] daily is better than beta2 [06:17] ill stick on daily then [06:18] no other changes that i can see on softpedia [06:32] Right now Ubuntu 16.04 is in Final Beta Freeze along with todays release of the Final Beta. From what I understand there will be no more changes or public releases until the FinalRelease April 21st except for the ReleaseCandidate. [06:34] Thats for Ubuntu with unity. All others have more phases I belive [07:03] http://www.ostechnix.com/upgrade-ubuntu-16-04-lts-final-beta/ [07:03] seems interesting === Ian__ is now known as Ian_Corne [09:42] Hai. i'm trying to install Kubuntu Xenial beta 2 but the installer crashed all the time. Any workaround for this? thx [10:17] I got this error when I tried to install mysql on Ubuntu 16.04, http://imgur.com/yPiZwnF. Anyone? [10:17] xenialxerus: did you already have a mysql database on the host ? [10:17] Nope [10:18] Fresh install from this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/xenial-server-amd64.iso [10:18] ok - so remove the package and remove the database data files, re-install the package and see if you get the same problem [10:18] How I can remove the database files? [10:19] just delete them off the file system AFTER you've removed the package [10:22] This command right sudo rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/ and sudo rm -rf /etc/mysql/ [10:23] I already removed btw using apt-get [10:23] Anything missing? [10:24] that should do it [10:25] Reinstalling mysql-server now [10:33] Lol, I got this error after reinstalling, http://imgur.com/AU3jssP [10:33] thats not an error [10:33] thats asking you to confirm your password for the root user for mysql (not root ubuntu user) [10:34] this very much looks like your machine is missconfigured rather than a problem with 16.04 [10:34] eg: you must have had an existing mysql database before [10:34] Yeah seem like one [10:35] Where the directory for the database is located? [10:35] I assume this is a test box ? [10:35] /var/lib/mysql [10:35] Yes [10:35] ok - re-install, first package you then install is mysql-server [10:35] Running on VMware Workstation 12 Player [10:35] confirm the bug on a clean machine [10:35] as the machine did not appear as clean as you thought it was [10:38] I think so, i will take a look later on. Thanks for your help ikonia [11:10] I installed xenial in December, and I still have software-center, wasn't that to be replaced by gnome-software? [11:10] Do new xenial installations have it? Should I remove it manually? [11:12] alkisg: new ones should have it [11:12] flocculant: thank you, so, we now have 2 GUIs to manage software? [11:12] well [11:12] you do :) [11:12] as far as I know ubuntu only has g-s [11:12] I know for fact that xubuntu does :) [11:13] (01:10:32 μμ) alkisg: Do new xenial installations have it? Should I remove it manually? [11:13] I meant software-center there [11:13] (01:12:03 μμ) flocculant: alkisg: new ones should have it [11:13] I know what you meant [11:13] I suppose you meant gnome-software there? [11:13] yea [11:13] in the daily you would just see g-s [11:14] Cool, so I'll remove software-center manually then [11:14] Thanks! [11:14] remove usc - in fact if you've not got g-s, then maybe installing that removes usc - not sure [11:14] Using only apt-get dist-upgrade since November, I now have both of them [11:15] I only dist-upgrade if it's really necessary [11:15] dist-upgrade is the normal upgrade, the one we get from the upgrade ui as well [11:15] *update ui [11:15] yea - I usually either cli or synaptic :) [11:16] Haha [11:16] Old guy like me, I suppose... :D [11:16] :) [11:34] guys is 16.04 stable for use? [11:34] It's beta, not stable [11:34] But it works fine here [11:35] that doesn't mean it will work for other people [11:37] alkisg, ikonia tnx again. === clivejo_ is now known as clivejo === ren0v0 is now known as Guest52990 [12:08] Hi, any mods here that can find out why i was just banned from #ubuntu ? [12:09] whoever banned me needs removing as a mod [12:09] ren0v0_: I removed you and you're welcome to join #ubuntu-ops to discuss it === ren0v0_ is now known as ren0v0 [12:10] ty [12:16] Hiyas all === Guest52990 is now known as ren0v0 [13:01] I'm thinking of trying to move from windows to ubuntu. Would it be a good idea to hold off till 16.04 comes out? Or would it be roughly the same to go into 14.04 and upgrade in a week or two? [13:02] ubuntu218: use 15.10 and upfrade from april to july [13:04] Alright. I might should try that. I do have the 14.04 currently, but I figured for a new user to linux, sitting on a lts version would be a good idea [13:05] Unbuntu makes me feel stupid sometimes.... most of the time. Since I've been on windows since XP when I was like, single digits years old. Switching is like trying to use a unicycle. [13:06] ah you are already on 14.04? then use that [13:06] I installed it a few days ago, and I'm still trying to figure out how to use it. [13:06] and the LTS to LTS upgrade to 16.04 will be opened in july when 16.04.1 is released. like the first "servicepack" [13:07] Like, I can install steam and skype, get them to run on bootup. But then anything that wants me to use Mono or Wine seems to act wonkey [13:07] I really should finish watching that ubuntu tut video [13:08] some things are different to windows. but rule of thumb is: use the service the package-system offers you. and most things are common sense :) dont look at the windows way, but at the "what would be general clever way" :) [13:09] Actually, I do things the windows way so far. In by that I mean "google.com/search/howtoinstallgzfiles" and "google.com/search/howtofeellessstupid" [13:09] nonono. dont install stuff from websites [13:10] if you want to install $program, first look into the package system (softwarecenter or apt on cli) if ubuntu doesnt ship already the program made working with ubuntu. [13:11] some of the programs I want aren't in the software center. I know some things I'm wanting to run req some forms of compatability help. Wine/Mono/etc [13:12] and some things flat out won't work. So I'm dualbooting until I can figure out how to move my windows into an ISO to throw it into a vm. [13:12] because some things just aren't made for Linux [13:12] demanding I install them in a C drive and whatnot [13:13] yeah. some programs are only made for windows. but you can look if there are linux alternatives. so you get rid of all the windows only stuff. [13:13] oddly enough though, it feels like the 14.04 has some better drivers than my windows. [13:14] I'm fairly sure there isn't a devpro for linux. [13:14] so i would handle that program by program. "i want a program like photoshop. can i run that in wine or is there an linux alternative" [13:15] The ones that don't work tend to be little indi projects of sorts. That and an MMO because the publisher is cheap [13:16] yeah. for games most stuff needs wine. there you can look at play-on-linux. which setups wine as needed. [13:16] but wine will always be only a compatibily layer. [13:16] the mmo basically demands directx. It's flat out not going to run. [13:17] My best bet for that is either a dualboot or a VM [13:17] look at the wine app database for that game. directx games do run in wine [13:18] I've done a google search and everything from the last 3-5 years say "Yeah, not working" [13:18] the game in question is MapleStory. But I probably can live without that game. [13:19] Since I'm basically end game and the only real progress comes in the form of throwing money at the game if I want to actually progress from where I am now. [13:19] or your go dualboot. i still have a dualboot with my gameloader aka windows :) [13:20] I'm dualbooting right now. [13:20] It's a pain in the butt though. Because every time I try to move into the linux base to try and learn how it works, BAM someone pings me and asks me to swap over to play a game with them. [13:21] hehe [13:21] and some of my other games don't have 14.04 support. Emulators and whatnot [13:21] those say to go v15.xx [13:21] Sounds like you know the pain of dualbooting [13:22] xx is running so perfectly right now, im loving it [13:23] I'm saddened by the windows snowball cycle. [13:23] i dont use wine at all. my daily usage is 100% linux compatible. i only play some game from time to time i have to dualboot for. [13:23] games don't get made for linux because no one runs it. No one runs it because their games won't play on it [13:24] goto start [13:24] :( i ditched windows long back fortunately for me [13:25] Man, I installed steam on unbuntu and steam cut my playable games from like 300 down to low 20s. [13:25] ubuntu218: that is not true. steam got a native linux client and ports some games to linux [13:25] It either isn't working, or is because I don't know what I'm doing yet. [13:26] Which is actually pretty likely that it's because I don't know what I'm doing [13:26] ubuntu218: even some games a while ago had native linux clients, like wolfenstein or the enemy territory addon. the whole halflife engine got ported to linux including counter strike. [13:27] a lot of the games I have I picked up for free at some giveaways. those gleams or whatever [13:27] join this group, check our youtube, etc. [13:27] I don't have much in the way of AAA [13:28] ubuntu218: yes, that will still take some time for AAAs [13:29] I still think a lot of my problems stem from me being new and having no idea what I'm doing. [13:29] I actually broke my OS trying to figure it out a few times. :c [13:30] for games look at wine and POL. for the rest look/ask if there is a linux client or an alternative program [13:30] I couldn't figure out how to extend my partition from the left side, so I decided to delete it and remake it. [13:30] POL? [13:30] play on linux [13:30] then after I tried to remake it, grub rescue [13:30] that may be true, but often thats how people learn. Maybe the jump to 16.04 it to much right now for you because it is hard to determine what is bugs and what needs configuration [13:31] and I panicked before I realized I have a laptop to google what to do [13:31] I know I shouldn't go 16.04 until it's at a public full release. [13:31] I'm not nearly good enough at this to take a WIP item and work around it [13:32] i wouldent even look at it like that [13:34] The fact that I'm bad at coding doesn't help. But I think that with a bit more experience, it would just be a better OS for me. [13:34] I like the fact that I could leave it unlocked and I could come back without a child in the house having come in and downloaded who knows what on it [13:34] Someone in the house is known to download iorbits and advance system care programs [13:35] i am in no way skilled but i do like to troubleshoot that has helped me learn quickly. [13:36] for those who don't use windows, advance system care claims to "optimize your settings" as though microsoft wouldn't have largely done that by default [13:36] ubuntu218: in general: learning by doing. just use ubuntu and get to learn it [13:37] That seems right. Just playing with it and trying things until they start to click [13:38] I also look up a lot of help videos. To sort of hold my hand until I can do things a bit [13:39] I found that with command line and the whole linux world reading and hands on (just throw yourself in the problem) worked for me. You need to try and retain as much info as you can while proceeding. Rather than just going through the steps to get from point a to c without remembering or understanding what you did to get there. [13:40] I was able to remember some of the commands [13:40] (not saying you do that just speaking on what i learned) [13:40] sudo apt-get install $program [13:40] and some of the little basics [13:41] yep thats where i started. [13:41] But I think that only works for things that are in the repository [13:41] whenever i use the command line it is so efficient and just x100 [13:42] I can't figure out how to get the GUI to do much besides look at files to find the path for the command line [13:42] so I love when i remeber what I need to do and I can do it all in command line. but when I get stuck on something that I need to go searching for an app or gui im like damn. I wish I was fluent [13:43] hi guys. trying to install kubuntu on virtualbox and cannot proceed with installation [13:43] But using a terminal does make me feel pretty "tv hacker" [13:43] when you say the gui what do you mean? your overall desktop experience? [13:43] i can select language, wireless is detected and i can browse with firefox, but on "prepare" step i have "continue" button greyed out [13:44] I mean if it uses the mouse to launch anything not in the taskbar on the left. === Guest60487 is now known as cowst [13:46] hmm i havent checked out any other enviroments other than the stock unity [13:46] what do you mean on prepare? once you are already installed and loaded? [13:47] I sort of find the number of distros to be a problem with linux. [13:47] Because some things work on some, don't work on others [13:47] ubuntu218: there are way too many "distros" that only change a few programs and a wallpaper. that is right [13:47] definietly a big headache when you are first starting off. i agree with you there. I wanted to tryeverything so quick and kept switching wanst sure what the hell i was doing [13:48] thats why i stock with Ubuntu and Fedora [13:48] At that point, I hardly see how you can call it a new distro if you only change next to nothing [13:48] stuck* [13:48] I've only used ubuntu, because it's apparently a really common distro. [13:48] shockvalu: i load live kubuntu, then select to install it [13:49] in the installer i select language, it detects wireless apparently, then i cannot click on continue when presenting checks for 3rd party SW and updates [13:49] cowst : and at the end of the installation it gets stuck? at preparing and initializing? [13:49] nono [13:50] oh oh [13:50] it does not start installing [13:50] i am still on the 3rd step, right after language and wireless [13:50] try installing by unchecking "automatically install updates during setup" [13:51] i tried every combination of those 2 checks but continue stays gray [13:51] and see if you can move forward. than do the updates after the installation that is usually a problem I have but thats because my network is set up wierd [13:52] i recreated the virtualbox image from scratch leaving all defaults, let's see [13:52] is this a laptop? [13:52] I'm going to reboot into the linux side and then I'll be back [13:52] yes, laptop [13:52] 100% battery and attached to power [13:52] :) [13:52] cowst, like I said in kubuntu, you may not be connected to the internet in the vb , only the router, hence not able to continue [13:52] i have had similar problems but than again not on xx [13:52] but if i can reach google from firefox in live kubuntu i am connected [13:53] so these could be bugs you never know, either way when i ran in to similar situations I would just diable networking for the time being and than install directly not boot to live first [13:54] should there be a prompt during boot? when i start it goes straight to live [13:54] When I boot to live desktop and than install, i feel my laptop doesnt have enough power to run everything so i run in to random problems. [13:54] is there a way to make apt in 16.04 accept weaker signature hashes on apt repositories? [13:55] one should say install and one should say boot to live [13:55] because i know someone who's getting issues with non-SHA-2 hashes on a repository [13:55] teward, ignore the warning if you're using the landing ppa [13:55] And, I'm back. [13:55] bonjour [13:56] Ubuntu has such a fast bootstrap system [13:56] BluesKaj: not for the landing PPA - it's for other repositories [13:56] i'm kind of being forced to proxy data between a user and support and I hate it [13:56] teward, run update agian to make sure it's still there [13:57] shockvalu: ok, i pressed some arrow during boot and it shows the selection menu [13:57] perfect [13:57] not quite [13:57] :D [13:57] there is no install [13:58] teward: its just a warning [13:58] i can start live kubuntu, which has the install procedure [13:58] but there is no install directly [13:58] teward: its not blocking, its just a warning. its just that "apt update && ... "doesnt work since its an errorcode [13:58] i think i saw this disappear in distros recently [13:58] k1l: that breaks Chrome then, it seems [13:59] teward: it breaks everything than the original repos, yeah. but they still work. just run sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade [13:59] sorry that i have been able to barely help you I just run the stock original with unity [13:59] but i filed a bug on google repos and they said they will fix that for the next chrome release [14:00] So, how can I know if updating my ubuntu number is a good/bad idea? Because I can't downgrade if it doesn't work [14:01] MoonBurst: if in doubt dont use unstable releases :) [14:02] Well, yeah. But like... how can I know if a 14.04 should/shouldn't go into a 15.10 [14:03] what do you mean? [14:03] MoonBurst: its quite pointless to upgrade now to a 15.10. that is too much effort and the 14.04 to 16.04 upgrade will work in july [14:03] Are you asking how do you know if you shoul dstay at 14 move up to 15 or 16? [14:04] upgrading from 14.04 to 15.10 now involves EOL upgrade to 14.10 and 15.04 and then upgrade to 15.10. which is not worth the trouble imho [14:04] Well, since some programs won't work in different versions [14:05] k1l: stupid question, I run my own repository, is there a way in reprepro to define what hash function to use? [14:05] shockvalu: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10973298/kubuntu.jpg [14:05] stuck there [14:05] do you recognize that red icon on top? [14:06] i assumed that has something to do with battery, but cannot confirm or know what to do about [14:06] 14.04.04 is LTS (Longer Term Support) its best to stick with the LTS releases when in doubt or to many problems [14:06] teward: hmm, dont know, sorry. might ask in #ubuntu-packaging [14:07] Let me ask you something, other than the versions numbers being higher 15/16 what is the reason from straying away from the LTS release may i ask? [14:07] That's kind of what I thought, sticking to lts because I'm new to Linux as a whole. [14:07] Mostly just that some of my programs don't have a working version for 14.04 and saying they have working support for others [14:08] The dolphin emulator says it works for 15.04 [14:08] But I don't want to upgrade and risk having 12 other things break down [14:09] it seems as if it is checkmarked to say that it is plugged in but showing red as if the battery is almost empty. Thats all i take from it. could be a bug [14:09] i think it is a bug at some level, perhaps virtualbox, who knows [14:09] yep [14:09] one thing to blame the installer is definitely no written hint on the problem [14:11] if it would tell me to charge my battery over 50% or plug the power, then i would know battery level recognition is broken at some level :) [14:11] k1l: thanks [14:14] cowst, think thei installer itself can't see the internet thru the VB...try an ethernet connection instead, if possible [14:16] oh, did you download a netinstall image? [14:16] did even catch that [14:18] is it possible to widen the launcher so that there is 2 rows? [14:26] I woud love the ability to be able to tailor the launcher and organize apps with spaces. I really have not played around to much with customizing. Anyone know if this is possible? [14:30] shockvalu, right click on the launcher, there shouldbe a launcher settings option in the dialog [14:31] oh jeez, thanks. brb [14:38] When trying to run an application with optirun I get that: "[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE)" but nothing more. The Xorg error message seems to be cut off and there is nothing mentioning "secondary" in /var/log/Xorg.* [14:44] Rovanion: tell us the ful story please, 16.04 upgrade or fresh install? grafix chipset? driver version? [14:46] lotuspsychje: Upgrade, Nvidia GF119M [NVS 4200M], nvidia-340-updates (since 361 is known to break bumblebee). [14:47] Rovanion: upgrade from 15.10 or 14.04? [14:47] This is the output I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15496502/ . Upgrade from 14.04 [14:47] Rovanion: thats not very recommended mate [14:47] Rovanion: i suggest you try a clean install 16.04 with cable + updates enabled during setup [14:48] lotuspsychje: Becuase users shouldn't upgrade between LTS's? [14:48] Rovanion: if your card is optimus also install nvidia-prime, not bumblebee (is outdated) [14:48] Rovanion: until 16.04 is final, its not recommended [14:49] lotuspsychje: But how are you to beta test that upgrade path then? [14:49] Rovanion: from 15.10 its possible, but not yet from 14.04 [14:50] Rovanion: but again, until final releases i would not reccomend the upgrade way [14:51] But then again: How do you beta test the upgrade path? How do you make sure that there are no kinks when it's released to your average grandpa? [14:52] Rovanion: beta testing should be installed fresh, or use the daily 16.04 [14:53] lotuspsychje: Also, it seems like nvidia-prime can't be activated on a per-app basis. [14:53] lotuspsychje: You aren't answering the question. Just restating the same statement over and over again. [14:55] Rovanion: look mate, your trying things the wrong way... [14:55] Rovanion: if you wanna help test 16.04 please dont upgrade from 14.04 yet === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SonikkuAmerica [14:57] So I take it you're not beta testing the 14.04->16.04 upgrade path before release? [14:57] Rovanion: no [14:58] im on daily 16.04 fresh [14:58] lotuspsychje: Any reason behind this policy? Because it is Canonical policy? [14:59] Rovanion: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-final-beta-is-now-available-for-download-502151.shtml [15:00] Rovanion: LTS to LTS jump is perfectly possible on final release [15:01] Rovanion: also sudo do-release-upgrade -d from 15.10 worked, but some issues arrised also [15:01] lotuspsychje: Or at some later point during the beta testing phase, doesn't say anything on that point. [15:03] lotuspsychje: It merely states that at the time of the article there was a bug preventing the upgrade. But I'm upgraded as far as I can see. Some hiccups along the way but nothing unsolvable. [15:03] Rovanion: and you here with issues now... [15:04] uname -a please? [15:04] lotuspsychje: Bumblebee has always meant issues. [15:04] Rovanion: bumblebee is outdated... [15:04] Linux ThinkT420s.rovanion.se 4.4.0-15-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:06:37 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux [15:04] !info nvidia-prime [15:04] nvidia-prime (source: nvidia-prime): Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.2 (xenial), package size 10 kB, installed size 66 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) [15:06] !info bumblebee [15:06] bumblebee (source: bumblebee): NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.2.1-10 (xenial), package size 47 kB, installed size 180 kB (Only available for linux-any) [15:07] dont use bumblebee :/ [15:56] Can't seem to get nvidia-prime to work either. Nvidia-settings says that prime is not supported. Running driver nvidia-361-updates now. nvidia-prime is installed. Running prime-supported exits with 0 but no output. Starting an FreeGLUT app results in: OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0'. Any ideas? [15:59] hybrid graphics? [15:59] Yup. [15:59] which gpus? [16:00] Purging xserver-xorg and installing it again got me back on my feet. [16:01] BluesKaj: Nvidia NVS 4200M and the graphics chip in my 2nd generation i7. [16:02] Right, and now nvidia-settings got the hang of the setup. [16:07] Right. And I have to restart X.org every time I change profiles with prime? Or can I start a Xephyr running on the discrete card with prime-offload? [16:07] Doesn't seem like prime-offload has a manpage. [16:19] Seems like I'm unable to switch back to the nvidia chip though.. [16:38] Hi! I am running 16.04 (Development Branch). My system doesn't connect to one particular WiFi Network. Is this a 'known issue' or should I 'report as a bug'? === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SusaNeedsABetter === SusaNeedsABetter is now known as SonikkuAmerica [16:39] fossterer, does it connect to any other wifi network ? [16:39] Yes. My home Network works fine [16:39] My University network alone fails [16:41] fossterer, U networks are nototoriuos for blocking anything thats detected as slightly different , make sure you edit your account with the U to accept 16.04 , however that is done. [16:42] BluesKaj, Are you saying that the University Network admins have to be told about this? [16:43] I never had to do it starting from 12.04 to 15.10 [16:45] is this the place for Xenial problems? [16:45] fossterer, do the admins allow development OSs on their networks? [16:45] Bluskaj, There's no such policy on preventing any OS. [16:47] I am getting the following msg: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 [16:48] any help appreciated, I have redone /etc/apt/sources.list already [16:48] jiohdi, just ignore it, just a warning..being worked on [16:49] I have more than one machine and this one getting that msg is not finding any packages to upgrade while the others do [16:51] jiohdi, some packages are HW dependent so there will be differences [16:52] from dozens of packages on one to zero on the other seems suspicious [16:54] jiohdi, change mirrors then , see what happens [16:55] k [16:55] mine is definitely a much shorter error/warning [16:57] BluesKaj, that did the trick, much thanx [17:02] anyone know a better irc client than xchat-gnome [17:02] 6irssi :) [17:03] jiohdi, hexchat [17:04] jiohdi: xchat-gnome is the most reduced irc-only client you could use. better try hexchat [17:08] believe xchat is no longer supported or being developed further [17:08] futher developed even :-) [17:08] HexChat is pretty good. [17:09] hexchat is the fork with new life :) [17:11] xchat is significantly worse since last I used it [17:11] jiohdi: please dont compare to the -gnome version you used. [17:18] hey. in the latest Kubuntu, when my pc hibernates, i cant seem to turn it back on unless i disconnect the power supply and press power to remove all electricity then replug and turn it on. any ideas? === SuperLag_ is now known as SuperLag [17:22] Oderus, I don't hibernate as such, just suspend session, since it's basically the same. sudo pm-suspend [17:26] okay, i will just turn hibernate off for now [17:31] Oderus, it should be fixed by the official release date...I hope :-) [17:31] BluesKaj: Thank you :) [17:33] BBL [17:34] Hi, I tried installing 16.04 on Bay Trail tablet, and it failed on grub installation [17:34] Anyone got a clue why is that? [17:36] I downloaded amd64 build, and run that with a bootia32.efi file placed in /efi/boot on pendrive [17:38] 32bit efi is pita [17:39] Care to elaborate? I bought this tablet for less than a RPI3 anyways, so I'm treating it carelessly [17:50] Hi! I am running 16.04 (Development Branch). My system doesn't connect to one particular WiFi Network. Is this a 'known issue' or should I 'report as a bug'? [17:50] BluesKaj, I am going to file a bug on this issue. [17:58] some wifi cards are known to make trouble no matter what ubuntu version you use [18:01] whoever told me about hexchat, thanx, much better than xchat... but strangely like xchat once was [18:04] jiohdi: it's a fork as k1l said :) [18:04] jiohdi: its the "new" xchat. [18:05] jiohdi: but the problem was the -gnome version. gnome cuts down programs a lot to meet their rules of what a user should be able to change etc. [18:05] the inability to mark away with ctrl+a and the resize of window when searching annoys me a bit - but other than that it works fine [18:06] so I've been trying to resize my boot partition on a disk with an lvm volume (containing root and swap partitions) running 16.04 and seem to have gotten myself stuck [18:06] I can't seem to move the parition with the lvm volume towards the end of the disk, so I can't enlarge the boot partition [18:07] is there a way I can deactivate the lvm volume group such that I can move the partition with gparted? [18:09] Anyone install the latest Joomla on Ubuntu? I am getting an error that The GD extension for PHP is not available. [18:12] I can inactivate the volume group with vgchange, but it gets reactivated when I refresh the devices with gparted [18:12] Annnd I install php7.0-gd and it works fine. bah [18:14] and "Deactivate" from gparted doesn't seem to do anything :( [18:20] slyrus: yes, gparted causes that during a rescan after every change. Best advice is avoid GUI tools and use the command-line [18:20] Ok, thanks TJ-. [18:21] slyrus: how small is the /boot/ partition? [18:21] Contemplating vgextend/pvmove to move the volume to another disk rather than trying to move the partition by hand. [18:22] I figure I should learn how to do this stuff eventually.... [18:22] slyrus: you could simply add the small partition as a PV to the VG, and then create an LV for /boot/ :) [18:23] oh, that does sound simpler [18:23] slyrus: grub-install will figure that out and include its lvm driver in its core.img so it can activate the VG to get to its modules and menu file [18:23] make sure you you do a grub-install and update-grub before doing a reboot, if you make changes, of course [18:25] slyrus: copy the existing /boot/ into a new LV for boot, then you can repurpose the current /boot/ partition as a PV to recover the space [18:26] If I had read that before hitting return on the pvmove that's what I would have done :) [18:27] well I thought it was so obvious there was no need to mention it! [18:27] heh [18:29] Wll guys WTF [18:30] speaking of stupid questions, can I just add an existing partition as a PV and have an LV automagically created with the existing data? [18:30]