[05:43] <Kilos> o/
[06:21] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:42] <dlPhreak> Good morning
[07:07] <jan__> Hi Kilos 
[07:08] <Kilos> hi jan__ 
[07:08] <jan__> hoesit?
[07:08] <Kilos> you not watching rugby
[07:09] <Kilos> ok dankie en daar
[07:09] <jan__> no whos playing?
[07:09] <jan__> ok dankie
[07:09] <Kilos> kings and brumbies i think
[07:09] <Kilos> hehe
[07:09] <jan__> foregone conclusion
[07:10] <jan__> bad news here
[07:10] <jan__> fresh install same result
[07:10] <Kilos> uh oh
[07:10] <Kilos> have you cleaned the thing
[07:11] <Kilos> have you pulled out ram cards and reaseated them
[07:12] <Kilos> and blown away all dust on motherboard and cpu fan and heatsink
[07:12] <jan__> Yes done all that. It runs beautiful until I do something on the task bar, which is set to hide. Then it creates tails behind drag and drops and the taskbar freezes with mirrored duplicates
[07:16] <jan__> If I click on an app it does not open, seems to try and then freezes and you see spots where the cursor moves
[07:16] <jan__> Wonder if its not a graphics problem?
[07:17] <jan__> Browser opens fine...
[07:17] <Kilos> try without graphics card in
[07:17] <Kilos> use onboard graphics
[07:18] <Kilos> first try isolate the problem hardware
[07:19] <jan__> Dont know if I have graphics card or just onboard graphics
[07:19] <Kilos> check
[07:20] <Kilos> or
[07:20] <Kilos> wait
[07:20] <jan__> You think its hardware prob?
[07:20] <Kilos> type in
[07:20] <Kilos> lshw
[07:20] <Kilos> or look where monitor cable goes in
[07:20] <Kilos> oh and
[07:21] <jan__> It gives output but warns I must run as super user
[07:21] <Kilos> was the prob the same after install or only after you put backup /home in
[07:21] <Kilos> do sudo lshw then
[07:22] <jan__> I didn't do much before putting home in so dont really know
[07:22] <jan__> sudo lshw
[07:22] <jan__> ok
[07:22] <Kilos> install again but leave home backup
[07:23] <Kilos> that will see if it not perhaps something wrong in your  /home
[07:23] <jan__> ok theres a big output, what do you need?
[07:23] <Kilos> look for grapics card
[07:23] <Kilos> but
[07:24] <Kilos> look where monitor plugs in at the back
[07:24] <bushtech> do an update/upgrade straight after install
[07:24] <bushtech> maybe something missing software wise
[07:24] <Kilos> if next to audio sockets then  onboard
[07:25] <jan__> its away from audio sockets
[07:25] <Kilos> like by the othe large pci slots
[07:26] <Kilos> see if there is a card you can remove
[07:26] <jan__> yes
[07:26] <bushtech> what type of graphics card?
[07:26] <jan__> will have to open up to see on hardware? 
[07:27] <jan__> hi bushtech 
[07:27] <jan__> thanks for helping
[07:27] <jan__> sorry we have guests, will have to chat later guys
[07:27] <Kilos> ok
[07:28] <bushtech> Hi  jan kilos
[07:30] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[07:30] <bushtech> jan_  dont have to open box. lspci | grep VGA in terminal will tell you
[07:36] <Kilos> if its not an intel card they messd up yesterday doing intel drivers
[07:39] <Kilos> well have to get back to that when guests leave
[09:43] <jan__> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
[09:45] <jan__> hi Kilos 
[09:46] <jan__> sorry about that
[09:47] <jan__> and bushtech 
[09:47] <Kilos> np
[09:48] <jan__> Did you see graphics? It's Intel
[09:48] <Kilos> so the plugin graphics card is also intel?
[09:49] <jan__> Dunno, is that what showed with lspci?
[09:49] <Kilos> i would reinstall and run without putting you /home backup there
[09:49] <jan__> Motherboard is Asus
[09:49] <Kilos> maybe something in the backup is corrupt
[09:49] <jan__> Ok then how do I find out where and what is corrupt in backup?
[09:50] <Kilos> it was working before
[09:50] <Kilos> thats the tricky part
[09:50] <jan__> It was perfect for a long time, suddenly but perhaps I shouls start by not reinstalling that app that deleted the duplicates
[09:50] <Kilos> run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on new install and see if the problem is still there
[09:51] <jan__> thge day after I did it the prob started
[09:51] <Kilos> oh
[09:51] <jan__> Running that now, 5 minutes to go
[09:51] <jan__> Sorry, 8 mins
[09:51] <Kilos> np
[09:52] <jan__> now its 5 mins, depends on download speed
[09:53] <Kilos> yes and what size package its downloading
[09:53] <jan__> Ja but varying time is due to speed
[09:54] <jan__> Interesting, I searched for best mirror and Zimbabwe came up
[09:54] <Kilos> wow
[09:54] <Kilos> they been working
[10:01] <jan__> Maybe their Scottish president woke them up
[10:02] <Kilos> lol
[10:02] <jan__> Robbie Mc Gabe
[10:02] <Kilos> lol
[10:03] <Kilos> see that 5 mins was for a certain package
[10:03] <Kilos> not for the whole job
[10:03] <jan__> Some heavy upgrades, hope it helps
[10:04] <jan__> Today is main day in Christian calendar
[10:04] <Kilos> if it works fine then you just need to see what is important in the backups
[10:05] <jan__> You mean if I reinstall? 
[10:05] <Kilos> yes
[10:06] <Kilos> we need to isolate what is causing the problem
[10:06] <jan__> Will have to do them one by one
[10:06] <jan__> so you feel its a software prob?
[10:07] <Kilos> i have an old pc that the inboard graphis is stuffed but works well with and nvidia card in
[10:07] <Kilos> im hoping
[10:07] <Kilos> software is easier to replace
[10:07] <jan__> Aye!
[10:08] <Kilos> and cheaper
[10:08] <jan__> But will have to shop for a new dvd drive
[10:08] <Kilos> graphics cards are expensive
[10:09] <Kilos> they not too expensive iirc
[10:09] <Kilos> under R200
[10:09] <Kilos> graphics are big bucks
[10:09] <jan__> Do I need extra graphics card 
[10:10] <jan__> ?
[10:10] <Kilos> lets see what happens first with clean install 
[10:10] <Kilos> only if onboard one packs up
[10:10] <jan__> Ok but what is purpose of graphics card if there is one in the box/
[10:11] <Kilos> only serious gaming needs fancy graphics cards
[10:11] <jan__> Thats what I mean, I dont do gaming
[10:13] <jan__> What's whoopsie? whoopsie (0.2.24.6ubuntu2) over (0.2.24.5)
[10:13] <jan__> Funny names...
[10:15] <jan__> My Thunderbird folder is 4,1 Gb, could that be a problem?
[10:21] <jan__> also running dist-upgrade, another big run...
[10:22] <jan__> I'm now beginning to wonder if prob was not with mirror, it was messing around with updates for a few days prior to problems
[10:23] <Kilos> no tb should be ok
[10:23] <Kilos> wait
[10:24] <Kilos> maybe that too
[10:24] <Kilos> is it running fine now
[10:25] <jan__> It looks fine but I dont want to do much before updates are complete and restart
[10:25] <Kilos> ok
[10:25] <Kilos> do nothing till rebooted
[10:26] <jan__> Thats the best command you can give to any African
[10:26] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <jan__> In Adfrikaans: sit op jou gat tot iemand jou skop
[10:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:28] <jan__> Why did my irc pick me up as jan_ and not Langjan?
[10:29] <Kilos> when you changed to the pc you were working on
[10:29] <Kilos>  do /nick Langjan
[10:29] <jan__> Its the same one, just new install 
[10:29] <Kilos> here no in terminal
[10:30] <Kilos> thats better
[10:30] <Langjan> You wizard Kilos 
[10:30] <Kilos> which pc you here with
[10:30] <Kilos> your laptp
[10:30] <Langjan> the problem one
[10:30] <Kilos> o
[10:30] <Langjan> desktop
[10:30] <Kilos> oh thats why
[10:31] <Langjan> ok updates complete let me reboot, see you netnou
[10:31] <Kilos> ok
[10:32] <Kilos> if the prob is in the backups then dont use them on the lappy
[10:32] <Kilos> ai!
[10:37] <Langjan> No luck, the moment I try to open Thunderbird it does the same
[10:38] <Langjan> Or the other apps, it shows they are open but they dont show up on the screen
[10:38] <Langjan> you there Kilos ?
[10:39] <Langjan> Let me do reinstall then try without Home
[10:40] <Langjan> Kilos?
[10:40] <Kilos> hyere sorry
[10:41] <Kilos> lemme catch up
[10:41] <Kilos> oh my
[10:42] <Kilos> Langjan you gonna clean install?
[10:42] <Langjan> All the icons work if I open them its only Thunderbird that messes up  
[10:42] <Kilos> oh my
[10:43] <Kilos> so maybe tbird is sick
[10:43] <Kilos> you wanna try fix or go clean install route
[10:44] <Langjan> Thunderbird seems to open but hides behind somewhere and is not visible
[10:44] <Kilos> try delete .thundebird
[10:44] <Langjan> Let me delete tbird folder and see what happens 
[10:44] <Langjan> yes 
[10:45] <Kilos> then install synaptic
[10:45] <Kilos> no
[10:45] <Kilos> aptitude
[10:45] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[10:46] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird
[10:46] <Langjan> must I uninstal it first?
[10:46] <Kilos> that will make a new tb file
[10:47] <Kilos> ok sudo aptitude remove thinderbird
[10:47] <Langjan> Well if I open it now it will make a new tb file anyway
[10:47] <Kilos> or even sudo aptitude purge thunderbirb
[10:48] <Kilos> whew head thumping and typos flowing
[10:50] <Kilos> keep me informed of what you are doing otherwise i get lost
[10:52] <Langjan> Now tbird is opening and closing fine, looks like tbird folder is problem
[10:52] <Kilos> yay
[10:52] <Kilos> check all the others
[10:53] <Langjan> well I'm not cheering, will be lost without my tbird folder
[10:53] <Kilos> and add your tb stuff manually
[10:53] <Kilos> leave that backup .thunderbird
[10:53] <Langjan> add manually, how?
[10:53] <Kilos> add acoounts and contacts etc
[10:54] <Langjan> ?
[10:54] <Kilos> new tbird has no accounts right
[10:54] <Langjan> right
[10:54] <Kilos> so enter them manually
[10:54] <Langjan> how?
[10:55] <Kilos> on the right there is an icon with many lines showing
[10:55] <Langjan> you mean start anew? What about all my mail and address books?
[10:55] <Kilos> tb menu
[10:56] <Kilos> dont you have that on the laptop?
[10:56] <Kilos> you can copy .thunderbird from the lappy to this pc
[10:56]  * Cryterion walks in, farts and then leaves
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[10:57]  * Kilos sprays air freshener
[10:57] <Cryterion> hi guys
[10:57] <Kilos> you need to sort out your diet
[10:57] <Langjan> I also have it all on my ext hard drive where I copied it from this morning
[10:57] <Kilos> try copy the one on lappy
[10:58] <Kilos> forget ext. thats where you got last one
[10:58] <Langjan> OK let me try but its basically the same folder...
[10:59] <Kilos> we think so yes but something in there is causing porbs
[10:59] <Kilos> probs
[11:06] <Langjan> Kilos, these .files in Home that are uncoloured, like .bash_history, /home/jan/.xsession-errors etc  - do they do anything?
[11:07] <Kilos> yes
[11:07] <Kilos> thats all your settings and info
[11:07] <Kilos> the clever guys will know more
[11:08] <Kilos> messing with .files is tricky
[11:08] <Kilos> pro renames them before doing anything there
[11:09] <Langjan> ok pase is running 4 GB of mails into Home
[11:09] <Langjan> paste
[11:09] <Kilos> lets hope
[11:09] <Langjan> yes hhere's hoping...
[11:10] <Langjan> 2 minutes left
[11:10] <Kilos> the pc going slow like that was because tb was looking for something it couldnt find or work out
[11:10] <Kilos> i didnt know it was such a resource hog
[11:11] <Langjan> 5,4 GB
[11:11] <Kilos> whew you got lots hey
[11:12] <Langjan> Yes the Limpopo Bowls thing is half of it
[11:12] <Kilos> mine is 169 meg
[11:15] <Langjan> Baby! Ok tbird is up and running, so seems it was a folder prob
[11:15] <Kilos> yay
[11:15] <Langjan> Hey what'll I do without you
[11:15] <Kilos> dont use it again'
[11:16] <Langjan> Lucky the 'net gets to Oz
[11:16] <Kilos> im happy prob is sorted
[11:17] <Langjan> Amazing how it can hide, but I should have followed the clues which seemed to point to tbirdv
[11:17] <Kilos> yeah something was corrupt in there
[11:17] <Kilos> i go eat now ok?
[11:18] <Kilos> just call if you need me
[11:18] <Kilos> i should hear it from kitchen
[11:20] <jan__> Kilos, now my irc is messing around
[11:21] <jan__> eet lekker, chat later
[11:39] <Kilos> ai!
[13:29] <Langjan> Hi Kilos all is fine, gonna watch the cricket now
[13:30] <Langjan> Lekker aand en paasnaweek vir jou, hoop daar is goeie nuus volgende week oor jou visum
[16:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:03] <Kilos> slept the whole afternoon away
[16:03] <Kilos> did you see what is was bushtech ?
[16:04] <Kilos> something in the .thunderbird folder
[16:05] <Kilos> would be interesting to know what though. virus or bad script maybe?
[16:08] <Kilos> evening superfly inetpro and other peeps as well
[16:08] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:08] <superfly> [15:29:58] <Langjan> Hi Kilos all is fine, gonna watch the cricket now
[16:08] <superfly> [15:30:45] <Langjan> Lekker aand en paasnaweek vir jou, hoop daar is goeie nuus volgende week oor jou visum
[16:09] <squish102> hmmm hortonworks or cloudera.... that is the question
[16:09] <Kilos> yeah ty superfly , i crashed
[16:10] <superfly> Kilos: wish I could do that
[16:10] <Kilos> ai! kids keep you busy hey
[16:10] <Kilos> and all the work
[16:11] <Kilos> need to take a break from extra stuff after debconf
[16:14] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[16:15] <pavlushka> Kilos, o/
[16:18] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[16:19] <pavlushka> কেমন আছেন কিলোস? Kilos, How are you?
[16:19] <Kilos> bad head day, slept all afternoon
[16:20] <Kilos> how are you?
[16:20] <Kilos> and looks like west indies are going to give us a hiding
[16:20] <pavlushka> I feared so by missing a guest in our channel.
[16:21] <pavlushka> I am fine!
[16:21] <Kilos> i closed nearly all channels so things were quiet here
[16:21] <Kilos> ill be back tomorrow
[16:21] <Kilos> email me a good curry
[16:21] <pavlushka> you are welcome anytime!
[16:22] <Kilos> ty
[16:22] <pavlushka> and sure, I'll try, lol
[16:22] <Kilos> haha
[16:25] <pavlushka> so you do watch cricket!
[16:25] <Kilos> yes when nothing better to do
[16:25] <Kilos> and T20 is quick with lots of action
[16:28] <pavlushka> having some problem with irc, trying to reconnect, be back
[16:30] <pavlushka> its a test "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog"
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:31] <pavlushka> my last two characters getting truncated in every post here
[16:55] <Kilos> hi wolf
[16:55] <Kilos> eys as well
[16:55] <Kilos> Wolfeyes 
[16:58] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos
[16:59] <Wolfeyes> or is that- hey ki
[16:59] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Wolfeyes> los as well :-P
[17:01] <Kilos> pavlushka look at running mtr and see if it helps keep you connected
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <pavlushka> sure, have a fantastic meal!
[17:02] <Kilos> ty
[17:28] <Kilos> 9 off 5 balls
[17:28] <Kilos> 3 off 4
[17:33] <Kilos> we lose
[18:00] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[18:00]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:14] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[18:14] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:47] <inetpro> good mornings
[18:56] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[19:07] <superfly> morning inetpro!
[19:10] <pavlushka> any one there!!!!
[19:10] <inetpro> how are the boys?
[19:10] <Kilos> yip
[19:12] <pavlushka> I guess my posting problem has been solved!
[19:12] <pavlushka> inetpro, boys are good! so far, so good.
[19:14] <pavlushka> Kilos, I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure hexchat, looks like it solved the problem.
[19:14] <pavlushka> no, it isn't.
[19:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:17] <inetpro> pavlushka: what's the problem?
[19:17] <Kilos> what is xchat doing? pavlushka 
[19:18] <pavlushka> lets see,
[19:19] <Kilos> just delete .xchat and apttitude remove xchat xchat data the 
[19:19] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install xchat
[19:20] <inetpro> what is the problem?
[19:21] <Kilos> he said some thing about post deprecating
[19:21] <Kilos> whatever that moght be
[19:21] <Kilos> might
[19:21] <pavlushka> I am using hexchat as irc client and the problem is the last two character of every post I cant see, 
[19:22] <pavlushka> whether its your's or mine.
[19:23] <inetpro> pavlushka: KDE or Unity or something else?
[19:23] <pavlushka> trying xchat, lets see.
[19:24] <inetpro> oom Kilos, what desktop is he using?
[19:24] <Kilos> xfce i think
[19:25] <inetpro> I'm sure konversation will work on xfce as well
[19:26] <Kilos> ja
[19:26] <pavlushka> inetpro, konversation will install the range of kde desktop with it.
[19:26] <Kilos> stop with the oom stuff , lately im more tired and weaker, you guys are making me old
[19:27] <inetpro> pavlushka: it will just install an aditional dependancy library or two
[19:27] <Kilos> pavlushka use hexchat
[19:27] <inetpro> definitely not the whole range of kde desktop apps
[19:27] <pavlushka> yes, the problem I am having is with hexchat.
[19:27] <Kilos> wasnt xchat not supported anymore
[19:28] <Kilos> eish
[19:28] <Kilos> then why say xchat
[19:28] <pavlushka> so far it was better than the other, atleast to me.
[19:28] <Kilos> you can also try weechat
[19:29] <pavlushka> ok
[19:29] <inetpro> or irssi
[19:29] <Kilos> maybe the problem isnt with the irc clients
[19:30] <Kilos> when last did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro did you follow oom jans saga
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:31] <Kilos> thunderbird affected whole pc
[19:31] <inetpro> what happened?
[19:32] <Kilos> we had to delete .thunderbird and get his .thunderbird from his laptop
[19:32] <Kilos> it like hung /froze the whole pc
[19:33] <Kilos> if we get his .thunderbird can one find the prob with it
[19:34] <inetpro> is that a question?
[19:34] <Kilos> took like three installs with using backup of home to find it was tb nothing else
[19:34] <Kilos> yes
[19:34] <Kilos> i mean will one be able to read .tb and find the =error
[19:35] <Kilos> someone that can understand that stuff i mean
[19:35] <inetpro> that's like asking, if I start my car can I find the problem?
[19:35] <pavlushka> one thing, I changed the hexchat font to local unicode but just now changed to serif
[19:37] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro they word nou erger as ekke
[19:37] <pavlushka> lol @ car thing!
[19:37] <Kilos> with cars normally if it can start i can hear and pinpoint probs
[19:38] <Kilos> car tuned ears
[19:38] <inetpro> a car can sound pretty healthy despite many underlying problems
[19:38] <Kilos> ok so .tb is hopeless for troubleshooting
[19:38] <inetpro> if there's no wheels it will take you nowhere
[19:39] <Kilos> anyway not serious, its working
[19:39] <Kilos> but somewhere the backup tool messed up
[19:41] <pavlushka> may be its a good news that changing to default font, fixed the issue but dont know if I restart the client, the problem might pop up.
[19:41] <Kilos> ill tell the old man its a unity problem hehe
[19:41] <Kilos> only change font sizes
[19:42] <inetpro> it's simple logics, keep using the process of elimination to narrow the problem down 
[19:42] <Kilos> otherwise leave things standard
[19:42] <pavlushka> hmm, cp
[19:42] <Kilos> pavlushka dont fiddle with everything
[19:43] <Kilos> default settings work well with most apps
[19:43] <Kilos> only if you use kde can you play around
[19:43] <pavlushka> I changed the font to fix Bengali font issue, it created this problem
[19:43]  * Kilos ducks
[19:43] <pavlushka> ha ha ha lol.
[19:44] <Kilos> you using 16.04 pavlushka 
[19:44] <pavlushka> and I dont know what will happen to my bengali fonts, yes I am using 16.04
[19:44] <Kilos> its not stable yet man
[19:45] <Kilos> watch when the dev guys have meetings and see what all they are still fixing
[19:45] <pavlushka> I am testing it, got involved.
[19:45] <Kilos> ok
[19:46] <Kilos> then you must file bug reports 
[19:46] <inetpro> must?
[19:46] <Kilos> so they can fix it
[19:47] <Kilos> well if you testing for them you help them by filing bug reports , not so
[19:47] <pavlushka> 1st thing, its a 3rd party package, 2nd I changed the default.
[19:47] <Kilos> then the hexchat guys should get that info
[19:47] <Kilos> it will save thousands of others having the same problem
[19:48] <pavlushka> I asked them in #hexchat, no one replied.
[19:48] <Kilos> eish
[19:48] <pavlushka> they replied to others, not said a word to me.
[19:48] <Kilos> oh my
[19:48] <Kilos> you combed you hair the wrong way again
[19:49] <pavlushka> dont know what's the catch but I fixed it now.
[19:49] <pavlushka> lol @ that
[19:49] <Kilos> fixed is good
[19:49] <Kilos> not lekker when things dont work properly
[19:49] <Kilos> lekker=nice
[19:50] <Kilos> or pleasant
[19:50] <pavlushka> ya, getting used to.
[19:50] <inetpro> pavlushka: giving feedback of a fix is a good way to ensure they respond next time you have a problem
[19:51] <pavlushka> at least you are nice, Kilos , and inetpro , I am gonna do that now.
[19:51] <Kilos> spreading ubuntu is my goal
[19:52] <Kilos> and befriending peeps from all over the world
[19:52] <Kilos> soon i take a three months break
[19:53] <pavlushka> going to australia, I guess!
[19:55] <Kilos> yip
[19:55] <Kilos> hopefully
[19:56] <pavlushka> but three months is a long time Kilos!
[19:56] <Kilos> yes
[19:56] <Kilos> long holiday
[19:56] <pavlushka> although I'll keep you posted by emails.
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> ill be on irc 
[19:57] <Kilos> but timezones are 9 hours apart
[19:57] <pavlushka> not a problem.
[19:57] <Kilos> they are utc -11 i think
[19:58] <Kilos> or +11
[19:58] <pavlushka> even better, lol
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: you can work at night and sleep during the day
[19:59] <Kilos> lol
[19:59] <Kilos> i have lots of catching up to do
[20:00] <inetpro> just catch up in between
[20:00] <Kilos> no time to sleep
[20:00] <inetpro> your presence here is more important
[20:00] <Kilos> tell debs that
[20:00] <inetpro> haha :-)
[20:00] <pavlushka> just poke in and say hi everyday, that will do.
[20:00] <Kilos> she will say whaaaaaat?
[20:00] <Kilos> i will
[20:01] <Kilos> early mornings its their 4pm
[20:01] <pavlushka> morning is good.
[20:01] <Kilos> you wake up too late pavlushka 
[20:01] <pavlushka> how come you know?????
[20:01] <Kilos> we start here at 7am about
[20:02] <pavlushka> I have some other morning routine to do which is outside.
[20:03] <Kilos> well ill leave you messages with maaz or QA
[20:03] <Kilos> oh inetpro 
[20:03] <Kilos> have you noticed
[20:04] <Kilos> QA is helping there for a bit
[20:04] <inetpro> uh?
[20:04] <Kilos> till pavlushka gets to running an ibid there
[20:04] <Kilos> #ubuntu-bd
[20:05] <pavlushka> sure, thanks, its really fun getting help from QA.
[20:05] <Kilos> but after debconf maybe its a good idea to upgrade her
[20:05] <pavlushka> of course, she knows everything.
[20:05] <Kilos> she still burps
[20:06] <pavlushka> didn't tried that.
[20:06] <pavlushka> no not to me.
[20:06] <Kilos> when she doesnt understand something she says burp
[20:06] <Kilos> the upgrade doesnt
[20:07] <pavlushka> to me , she says huh?
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:07] <Kilos> or that doesnt seem to agree with me
[20:07] <pavlushka> sometimes she says got it and then again she says huh?
[20:08] <Kilos> dont corrupt her
[20:09] <Kilos> maybe its a good idea to sleep now
[20:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:09] <Kilos> night inetpro pavlushka superfly 
[20:09] <Kilos> :D
[20:10] <pavlushka> night Kilos 
[20:10] <inetpro> why?
[20:10] <Kilos> why what
[20:10] <pavlushka> night inetpro !
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: do you still use tzwatch?
[20:11] <inetpro> good night pavlushka
[20:11] <Kilos> have i ever inetpro ?
[20:11] <inetpro> am sure I told you about it before
[20:11] <Kilos> nope
[20:11] <inetpro> sudo apt install tzwatch
[20:12] <Kilos> done
[20:12] <inetpro> then create a file cale ~/.tzlist
[20:13] <inetpro> add two lines as an example:
[20:13] <inetpro> Pacific/Auckland
[20:13] <inetpro> Africa/Johannesburg
[20:13] <inetpro> then execute tzwatch
[20:14] <Kilos> why aukland
[20:14] <Kilos> can it be melbourne
[20:14] <inetpro> will show you the time in those places you add there
[20:14] <inetpro> obviously
[20:15] <inetpro> add as many different timezones as you want
[20:15] <Kilos> wow
[20:15] <inetpro> then view the time in the different cities all at ones
[20:15] <inetpro> at once as well
[20:16] <inetpro> adding timezones is actually as simple as 'tzwatch -c'
[20:18] <Kilos> aw
[20:18] <Kilos> messed up
[20:18] <inetpro> timezone for Melbourne is 'Australia/Melbourne'
[20:19] <Kilos> added first africa and it sees jhb but now dunno how to add
[20:19] <inetpro> just modify the .tzlist file by hand if you messed up
[20:19] <Kilos> first time it asked
[20:21] <inetpro> easy enough tofigure out 
[20:21] <inetpro> to figure*
[20:23] <Kilos> ok ty ill carry on with that tomorrow
[20:23] <inetpro> add the different zones and edit file by hand to sort the times correctly afterwards
[20:23] <inetpro> good night
[20:23] <Kilos> it went hidden
[20:23] <Kilos> night sir
[20:23] <inetpro> it's a dot file
[20:23] <Kilos> be good tomorrow
[20:24] <Kilos> yes but other .files show
[20:24] <Kilos> when i made that one a .file it disappeared
[20:24] <Kilos> hehe
[20:24] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[20:24] <Kilos> too tires
[20:24] <Kilos> tired
[20:24] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:24] <inetpro> gaan slaap nou en moenie my die skuld gee more as jy moeg is nie
[20:24] <Kilos> dankie vir die hulp
[20:24] <Kilos> hahahaha
[20:24] <inetpro> :-)
[20:25] <Kilos> :D