[05:43] o/ [06:21] Mornings [06:42] Good morning [07:07] Hi Kilos [07:08] hi jan__ [07:08] hoesit? [07:08] you not watching rugby [07:09] ok dankie en daar [07:09] no whos playing? [07:09] ok dankie [07:09] kings and brumbies i think [07:09] hehe [07:09] foregone conclusion [07:10] bad news here [07:10] fresh install same result [07:10] uh oh [07:10] have you cleaned the thing [07:11] have you pulled out ram cards and reaseated them [07:12] and blown away all dust on motherboard and cpu fan and heatsink [07:12] Yes done all that. It runs beautiful until I do something on the task bar, which is set to hide. Then it creates tails behind drag and drops and the taskbar freezes with mirrored duplicates [07:16] If I click on an app it does not open, seems to try and then freezes and you see spots where the cursor moves [07:16] Wonder if its not a graphics problem? [07:17] Browser opens fine... [07:17] try without graphics card in [07:17] use onboard graphics [07:18] first try isolate the problem hardware [07:19] Dont know if I have graphics card or just onboard graphics [07:19] check [07:20] or [07:20] wait [07:20] You think its hardware prob? [07:20] type in [07:20] lshw [07:20] or look where monitor cable goes in [07:20] oh and [07:21] It gives output but warns I must run as super user [07:21] was the prob the same after install or only after you put backup /home in [07:21] do sudo lshw then [07:22] I didn't do much before putting home in so dont really know [07:22] sudo lshw [07:22] ok [07:22] install again but leave home backup [07:23] that will see if it not perhaps something wrong in your /home [07:23] ok theres a big output, what do you need? [07:23] look for grapics card [07:23] but [07:24] look where monitor plugs in at the back [07:24] do an update/upgrade straight after install [07:24] maybe something missing software wise [07:24] if next to audio sockets then onboard [07:25] its away from audio sockets [07:25] like by the othe large pci slots [07:26] see if there is a card you can remove [07:26] yes [07:26] what type of graphics card? [07:26] will have to open up to see on hardware? [07:27] hi bushtech [07:27] thanks for helping [07:27] sorry we have guests, will have to chat later guys [07:27] ok [07:28] Hi jan kilos [07:30] hi bushtech [07:30] jan_ dont have to open box. lspci | grep VGA in terminal will tell you [07:36] if its not an intel card they messd up yesterday doing intel drivers [07:39] well have to get back to that when guests leave [09:43] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10) [09:45] hi Kilos [09:46] sorry about that [09:47] and bushtech [09:47] np [09:48] Did you see graphics? It's Intel [09:48] so the plugin graphics card is also intel? [09:49] Dunno, is that what showed with lspci? [09:49] i would reinstall and run without putting you /home backup there [09:49] Motherboard is Asus [09:49] maybe something in the backup is corrupt [09:49] Ok then how do I find out where and what is corrupt in backup? [09:50] it was working before [09:50] thats the tricky part [09:50] It was perfect for a long time, suddenly but perhaps I shouls start by not reinstalling that app that deleted the duplicates [09:50] run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on new install and see if the problem is still there [09:51] thge day after I did it the prob started [09:51] oh [09:51] Running that now, 5 minutes to go [09:51] Sorry, 8 mins [09:51] np [09:52] now its 5 mins, depends on download speed [09:53] yes and what size package its downloading [09:53] Ja but varying time is due to speed [09:54] Interesting, I searched for best mirror and Zimbabwe came up [09:54] wow [09:54] they been working [10:01] Maybe their Scottish president woke them up [10:02] lol [10:02] Robbie Mc Gabe [10:02] lol [10:03] see that 5 mins was for a certain package [10:03] not for the whole job [10:03] Some heavy upgrades, hope it helps [10:04] Today is main day in Christian calendar [10:04] if it works fine then you just need to see what is important in the backups [10:05] You mean if I reinstall? [10:05] yes [10:06] we need to isolate what is causing the problem [10:06] Will have to do them one by one [10:06] so you feel its a software prob? [10:07] i have an old pc that the inboard graphis is stuffed but works well with and nvidia card in [10:07] im hoping [10:07] software is easier to replace [10:07] Aye! [10:08] and cheaper [10:08] But will have to shop for a new dvd drive [10:08] graphics cards are expensive [10:09] they not too expensive iirc [10:09] under R200 [10:09] graphics are big bucks [10:09] Do I need extra graphics card [10:10] ? [10:10] lets see what happens first with clean install [10:10] only if onboard one packs up [10:10] Ok but what is purpose of graphics card if there is one in the box/ [10:11] only serious gaming needs fancy graphics cards [10:11] Thats what I mean, I dont do gaming [10:13] What's whoopsie? whoopsie (0.2.24.6ubuntu2) over (0.2.24.5) [10:13] Funny names... [10:15] My Thunderbird folder is 4,1 Gb, could that be a problem? [10:21] also running dist-upgrade, another big run... [10:22] I'm now beginning to wonder if prob was not with mirror, it was messing around with updates for a few days prior to problems [10:23] no tb should be ok [10:23] wait [10:24] maybe that too [10:24] is it running fine now [10:25] It looks fine but I dont want to do much before updates are complete and restart [10:25] ok [10:25] do nothing till rebooted [10:26] Thats the best command you can give to any African [10:26] lol [10:27] In Adfrikaans: sit op jou gat tot iemand jou skop [10:27] hahaha [10:28] Why did my irc pick me up as jan_ and not Langjan? [10:29] when you changed to the pc you were working on [10:29] do /nick Langjan [10:29] Its the same one, just new install [10:29] here no in terminal === jan__ is now known as Langjan [10:30] thats better [10:30] You wizard Kilos [10:30] which pc you here with [10:30] your laptp [10:30] the problem one [10:30] o [10:30] desktop [10:30] oh thats why [10:31] ok updates complete let me reboot, see you netnou [10:31] ok [10:32] if the prob is in the backups then dont use them on the lappy [10:32] ai! === jan is now known as Langjan [10:37] No luck, the moment I try to open Thunderbird it does the same [10:38] Or the other apps, it shows they are open but they dont show up on the screen [10:38] you there Kilos ? [10:39] Let me do reinstall then try without Home [10:40] Kilos? [10:40] hyere sorry [10:41] lemme catch up [10:41] oh my [10:42] Langjan you gonna clean install? [10:42] All the icons work if I open them its only Thunderbird that messes up [10:42] oh my [10:43] so maybe tbird is sick [10:43] you wanna try fix or go clean install route [10:44] Thunderbird seems to open but hides behind somewhere and is not visible [10:44] try delete .thundebird [10:44] Let me delete tbird folder and see what happens [10:44] yes [10:45] then install synaptic [10:45] no [10:45] aptitude [10:45] sudo apt-get install aptitude [10:46] then sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird [10:46] must I uninstal it first? [10:46] that will make a new tb file [10:47] ok sudo aptitude remove thinderbird [10:47] Well if I open it now it will make a new tb file anyway [10:47] or even sudo aptitude purge thunderbirb [10:48] whew head thumping and typos flowing [10:50] keep me informed of what you are doing otherwise i get lost [10:52] Now tbird is opening and closing fine, looks like tbird folder is problem [10:52] yay [10:52] check all the others [10:53] well I'm not cheering, will be lost without my tbird folder [10:53] and add your tb stuff manually [10:53] leave that backup .thunderbird [10:53] add manually, how? [10:53] add acoounts and contacts etc [10:54] ? [10:54] new tbird has no accounts right [10:54] right [10:54] so enter them manually [10:54] how? [10:55] on the right there is an icon with many lines showing [10:55] you mean start anew? What about all my mail and address books? [10:55] tb menu [10:56] dont you have that on the laptop? [10:56] you can copy .thunderbird from the lappy to this pc [10:56] * Cryterion walks in, farts and then leaves [10:56] lol [10:56] hi Cryterion [10:57] * Kilos sprays air freshener [10:57] hi guys [10:57] you need to sort out your diet [10:57] I also have it all on my ext hard drive where I copied it from this morning [10:57] try copy the one on lappy [10:58] forget ext. thats where you got last one [10:58] OK let me try but its basically the same folder... [10:59] we think so yes but something in there is causing porbs [10:59] probs [11:06] Kilos, these .files in Home that are uncoloured, like .bash_history, /home/jan/.xsession-errors etc - do they do anything? [11:07] yes [11:07] thats all your settings and info [11:07] the clever guys will know more [11:08] messing with .files is tricky [11:08] pro renames them before doing anything there [11:09] ok pase is running 4 GB of mails into Home [11:09] paste [11:09] lets hope [11:09] yes hhere's hoping... [11:10] 2 minutes left [11:10] the pc going slow like that was because tb was looking for something it couldnt find or work out [11:10] i didnt know it was such a resource hog [11:11] 5,4 GB [11:11] whew you got lots hey [11:12] Yes the Limpopo Bowls thing is half of it [11:12] mine is 169 meg [11:15] Baby! Ok tbird is up and running, so seems it was a folder prob [11:15] yay [11:15] Hey what'll I do without you [11:15] dont use it again' [11:16] Lucky the 'net gets to Oz [11:16] im happy prob is sorted [11:17] Amazing how it can hide, but I should have followed the clues which seemed to point to tbirdv [11:17] yeah something was corrupt in there [11:17] i go eat now ok? [11:18] just call if you need me [11:18] i should hear it from kitchen === jan is now known as Guest36374 [11:20] Kilos, now my irc is messing around [11:21] eet lekker, chat later [11:39] ai! [13:29] Hi Kilos all is fine, gonna watch the cricket now [13:30] Lekker aand en paasnaweek vir jou, hoop daar is goeie nuus volgende week oor jou visum [16:03] sjoe [16:03] slept the whole afternoon away [16:03] did you see what is was bushtech ? [16:04] something in the .thunderbird folder [16:05] would be interesting to know what though. virus or bad script maybe? [16:08] evening superfly inetpro and other peeps as well [16:08] hi Kilos [16:08] [15:29:58] Hi Kilos all is fine, gonna watch the cricket now [16:08] [15:30:45] Lekker aand en paasnaweek vir jou, hoop daar is goeie nuus volgende week oor jou visum [16:09] hmmm hortonworks or cloudera.... that is the question [16:09] yeah ty superfly , i crashed [16:10] Kilos: wish I could do that [16:10] ai! kids keep you busy hey [16:10] and all the work [16:11] need to take a break from extra stuff after debconf [16:14] Hello every one! [16:15] Kilos, o/ [16:18] hi pavlushka [16:19] কেমন আছেন কিলোস? Kilos, How are you? [16:19] bad head day, slept all afternoon [16:20] how are you? [16:20] and looks like west indies are going to give us a hiding [16:20] I feared so by missing a guest in our channel. [16:21] I am fine! [16:21] i closed nearly all channels so things were quiet here [16:21] ill be back tomorrow [16:21] email me a good curry [16:21] you are welcome anytime! [16:22] ty [16:22] and sure, I'll try, lol [16:22] haha [16:25] so you do watch cricket! [16:25] yes when nothing better to do [16:25] and T20 is quick with lots of action [16:28] having some problem with irc, trying to reconnect, be back [16:30] its a test "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" [16:30] lol [16:31] my last two characters getting truncated in every post here [16:55] hi wolf [16:55] eys as well [16:55] Wolfeyes [16:58] hey Kilos [16:59] or is that- hey ki [16:59] lol [16:59] los as well :-P [17:01] pavlushka look at running mtr and see if it helps keep you connected [17:01] i go eat [17:01] sure, have a fantastic meal! [17:02] ty [17:28] 9 off 5 balls [17:28] 3 off 4 [17:33] we lose [18:00] Maaz coffee on [18:00] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [18:04] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [18:14] Maaz ty [18:14] You are welcome Kilos [18:47] good mornings [18:56] hi inetpro [19:07] morning inetpro! [19:10] any one there!!!! [19:10] how are the boys? [19:10] yip [19:12] I guess my posting problem has been solved! [19:12] inetpro, boys are good! so far, so good. [19:14] Kilos, I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure hexchat, looks like it solved the problem. [19:14] no, it isn't. [19:17] hmm... [19:17] pavlushka: what's the problem? [19:17] what is xchat doing? pavlushka [19:18] lets see, [19:19] just delete .xchat and apttitude remove xchat xchat data the [19:19] sudo aptitude install xchat [19:20] what is the problem? [19:21] he said some thing about post deprecating [19:21] whatever that moght be [19:21] might [19:21] I am using hexchat as irc client and the problem is the last two character of every post I cant see, [19:22] whether its your's or mine. [19:23] pavlushka: KDE or Unity or something else? [19:23] trying xchat, lets see. [19:24] oom Kilos, what desktop is he using? [19:24] xfce i think [19:25] I'm sure konversation will work on xfce as well [19:26] ja [19:26] inetpro, konversation will install the range of kde desktop with it. [19:26] stop with the oom stuff , lately im more tired and weaker, you guys are making me old [19:27] pavlushka: it will just install an aditional dependancy library or two [19:27] pavlushka use hexchat [19:27] definitely not the whole range of kde desktop apps [19:27] yes, the problem I am having is with hexchat. [19:27] wasnt xchat not supported anymore [19:28] eish [19:28] then why say xchat [19:28] so far it was better than the other, atleast to me. [19:28] you can also try weechat [19:29] ok [19:29] or irssi [19:29] maybe the problem isnt with the irc clients [19:30] when last did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [19:31] inetpro did you follow oom jans saga [19:31] Kilos: no [19:31] thunderbird affected whole pc [19:31] what happened? [19:32] we had to delete .thunderbird and get his .thunderbird from his laptop [19:32] it like hung /froze the whole pc [19:33] if we get his .thunderbird can one find the prob with it [19:34] is that a question? [19:34] took like three installs with using backup of home to find it was tb nothing else [19:34] yes [19:34] i mean will one be able to read .tb and find the =error [19:35] someone that can understand that stuff i mean [19:35] that's like asking, if I start my car can I find the problem? [19:35] one thing, I changed the hexchat font to local unicode but just now changed to serif [19:37] sjoe inetpro they word nou erger as ekke [19:37] lol @ car thing! [19:37] with cars normally if it can start i can hear and pinpoint probs [19:38] car tuned ears [19:38] a car can sound pretty healthy despite many underlying problems [19:38] ok so .tb is hopeless for troubleshooting [19:38] if there's no wheels it will take you nowhere [19:39] anyway not serious, its working [19:39] but somewhere the backup tool messed up [19:41] may be its a good news that changing to default font, fixed the issue but dont know if I restart the client, the problem might pop up. [19:41] ill tell the old man its a unity problem hehe [19:41] only change font sizes [19:42] it's simple logics, keep using the process of elimination to narrow the problem down [19:42] otherwise leave things standard [19:42] hmm, cp [19:42] pavlushka dont fiddle with everything [19:43] default settings work well with most apps [19:43] only if you use kde can you play around [19:43] I changed the font to fix Bengali font issue, it created this problem [19:43] * Kilos ducks [19:43] ha ha ha lol. [19:44] you using 16.04 pavlushka [19:44] and I dont know what will happen to my bengali fonts, yes I am using 16.04 [19:44] its not stable yet man [19:45] watch when the dev guys have meetings and see what all they are still fixing [19:45] I am testing it, got involved. [19:45] ok [19:46] then you must file bug reports [19:46] must? [19:46] so they can fix it [19:47] well if you testing for them you help them by filing bug reports , not so [19:47] 1st thing, its a 3rd party package, 2nd I changed the default. [19:47] then the hexchat guys should get that info [19:47] it will save thousands of others having the same problem [19:48] I asked them in #hexchat, no one replied. [19:48] eish [19:48] they replied to others, not said a word to me. [19:48] oh my [19:48] you combed you hair the wrong way again [19:49] dont know what's the catch but I fixed it now. [19:49]