[00:14] <a40ntistos> How I can update to the last beta version in 16.04 if i'm in the previous?
[00:14] <TJ-> a40ntistos: if you have a running 16.04 and keep the packages up-to-date you have the latest
[00:15] <TJ-> a40ntistos: 'beta' releases refer to ISO image for fresh installs; they contain all the up-to-date packages in the Ubuntu archive
[00:15] <k1l> a40ntistos: just run the updates.
[00:15] <a40ntistos> from software updater?
[00:15] <TJ-> a40ntistos: correct
[00:15] <a40ntistos> or from terminal?
[00:15] <a40ntistos> Ok
[00:15] <TJ-> a40ntistos: the same thing, one has a GUI :)
[00:16] <a40ntistos> Maybe I have to do it through terminal
[00:16] <k1l> software updater is just another GUI for the dpkg and apt on cli
[00:16] <a40ntistos> because from updater i get the messager
[00:16] <a40ntistos> Failed to download repository information
[00:16] <k1l> a40ntistos: in terminal run "sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade"
[00:17] <TJ-> a40ntistos: sounds like you have a bad repository added to the system, or it is not reachable right now
[00:17] <a40ntistos> I didn't add anything
[00:20] <a40ntistos> actually I found what was wrong
[00:21] <a40ntistos> In the first tab of software updater it wasn't choosed the Main server
[00:23] <Oderus> anyone know the file location for the splash screen that appears after login in kubuntu xenial? looking to theme it myself, but need file location
[00:31] <TJ-> Oderus: possibly something from the package kde-base-artwork
[00:33] <Oderus> TJ-:  Thank you i will look :)
[00:33] <TJ-> Oderus: try "dpkg -S splash"
[00:33] <Oderus> TJ-: Trying
[00:34] <sabgenton> beta 2 has signing issue when tring to apt-get update (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1561472)
[00:34] <Oderus> TJ-: A lot of output! Hopefully i can locate it with this, thank you :)
[00:34] <sabgenton> how do I get round this?
[00:35] <sabgenton> I'm about to try updating apt-get  anything else?
[00:38] <a40ntistos> i did the update from system updater but i'm not sure if i get the final beta changes that was released today?
[00:43] <a40ntistos> any idea how to check if i have it or not? uname -a will work for that?
[00:43] <jtaylor> a40ntistos: you have it
[00:43] <jtaylor> beta is just a date, there aren't any specific changes attached
[00:43] <jtaylor> except for somewhat better tested installers
[00:44] <a40ntistos> I was reading that article: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-kylin-16-04-lts-beta-2-ships-with-bottom-unity-launcher-by-default-502155.shtml?utm_content=buffere58ad&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[00:44] <a40ntistos> and i thought they are some changes as well
[00:45] <jtaylor> ui configuration is typically not updated
[00:46] <jtaylor> launcher at bottom oO weird why would you want that?
[00:46] <k1l> !final
[00:50] <Oderus> TJ-: incase anyone happens to ask, the location is: /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/splash/images/
[00:50] <Oderus> TJ-: and thanks for your help
[01:48] <penguin42> hmm I should try 16.04 kubuntu again - my KDE is very broken on this 16.04 laptop for the last 2 weeks
[01:49] <SCHAAP137> the sole reason for still being 15.10 here, is pipelight
[01:49] <SCHAAP137> i watch TV on my computer
[01:50] <pfoo> mh, as anyone noticed that lxc* are installed by default with 16.04beta2 server iso ?
[01:50] <SCHAAP137> have not noticed that, no
[05:10] <Mneuro> On 16.04 when I open steam I get an error message that steam is out of date.  Is there a fix for this?
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> Mneuro: upgrade or fresh install?
[05:11] <Mneuro> fresh install
[05:11] <Mneuro> the window says "Your steam package is out of date."
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> Mneuro: how did you install steam?
[05:12] <Mneuro> downloaded from the steampowered website
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> !steam | Mneuro try this way
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> Mneuro: there is also #gamingonlinux and #ubuntu-steam if you like, those guys know alot about it
[05:20] <Mneuro> lotuspsychje, sorry I rebooted
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> Mneuro: been looking around and more users have this issue
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> Mneuro: i suggest you file a bug
[05:20] <Mneuro> it's not the end of the world, I think steam is working fine otherwise
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> !bug | Mneuro
[05:42] <jiohdi> I have a bluetooth capable computer... it detects my bluetooth headset just fine, says connected... but it does not show up in the list of options when you bring up sound output... the only thing in the list is a prior bluetooth headset that never worked and refuses to leave... help?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: did you try blueman?
[05:43] <jiohdi> is that already onboard or do I have to apt-get it?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> !info blueman
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> apt-get please :p
[05:44] <jiohdi> actually it says already have it, how do I activate it?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: start from terminal or icon
[05:45] <jiohdi> never mind, its what I have been using already, it shows the device and that its connected
[05:45] <jiohdi> it makes the connection noises in the headset but thats about it
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: 16.04 fresh install or upgrade?
[05:47] <jiohdi> I had a different headset an H600 and it never worked so I unpaired, untrusted and removed it... it still shows up in the list of sound options but the new headset does not
[05:47] <jiohdi> fresh install of beta 1 with current updates
[05:49] <jiohdi> how do I permanently remove the other headset and get pulse audio or whatever is current to recognize the new one?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: normally should detect by default
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: maybe try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and connect your headset, see what errors you might get
[05:55] <jiohdi> I get this http://pastebin.com/Ptf795jL
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[05:56] <jiohdi> c++
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> hmm dont see any errors there
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: tried a reboot?
[05:57] <jiohdi> everything says its working
[05:59] <jiohdi> btw the bluetooth worked just fine under 15.10
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: try a reboot mate, if it doesnt work i would file a new bug
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !bug | jiohdi
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: attach all relevant logs with it and explain the full story
[06:00] <jiohdi> will try rebooting... going dark
[06:06] <duobix> Anyone out there? :D
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> duobix: yes
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: any luck?
[06:11] <jiohdi> lotuspsychje, no change after reboot... there must be a file I can change to remove the old headset, no?
[06:11] <duobix> TJ- here?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: i dont think so, ubuntu should recognize new hardware by default
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> duobix: TJ- is sleeping
[06:12] <jiohdi> it does but its not removing the old one and adding the new one to its list which must be some sort of file
[06:13] <duobix> lotuspsychje, thx
[06:13] <jiohdi> when you pull up the sound gui, it must be gathering info from a list somewhere, no?
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: not sure it works that way
[06:15] <jiohdi> its not pulling the old name out of current available devices so its on some list
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: i think new devices would just add, or overwrite it
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> !bluetooth
[06:16] <jiohdi> they should but apparently they aren't so something must be stuck
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> jiohdi: i would go for a bug mate
[06:18] <jiohdi> pages' a bit ancient ubuntu 11.04
[09:12] <spreco> hi
[09:12] <duobi> hi there!
[09:14] <spreco> :)
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:27] <spreco> good morning
[09:28] <lordievader> Hey spreco
[09:42] <spreco> hey stiflers_brother - it's worth an upgrade imho :)
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> spreco: not upgrade, clean install
[09:42] <stiflers_brother> spreco: I'm reading reviews and not sure of the major benefits. I'll probably install in a VM first
[09:42] <stiflers_brother> lotuspsychje: Is that 14.04 upgrade bug still present?
[09:43] <ikonia> what bug ?
[09:43] <spreco> 14.04 upgrade bug is still there afaik, at least it's not recommended to go from 14.04 to 16.04
[09:44] <ikonia> what bug ?
[09:44] <spreco> i did a clean install yesterday, i think it's fine to go, just my opinion
[09:44] <stiflers_brother> ikonia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1555237
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-final-beta-is-now-available-for-download-502151.shtml
[09:44] <flocculant> stiflers_brother: yes it is
[09:45] <stiflers_brother> flocculant: Clean install it is
[09:45] <spreco> ikonia - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1545709
[09:46] <ikonia> interesting
[09:46] <flocculant> that last should be a dupe - and is now :)
[09:46]  * lordievader wonders if it would lock up if X was killed before the upgrade
[09:47] <flocculant> lordievader: not sure - but when it hangs - hard reboot and dpkg --configure -alloftheworld and it works :p
[09:48] <lordievader> Not really a nice upgrade procedure...
[09:48] <flocculant> nope
[09:48] <flocculant> obviously broken :)
[09:49] <flocculant> you can upgrade with the iso - at least in the few tests I've run
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> until final, should not upgrade
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> even do-release-upgrade -d from 15.10 got me a messed up system
[09:50] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: right
[09:50] <flocculant> update-manager worked here from 15.10
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: you have the right kernels on 16.04 now?
[09:51] <flocculant> 4.4.0-16-generic here
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[09:52] <flocculant> I tend to grab the -proposed one when it's there
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> kk
[09:52] <lordievader> Is 4.4 an lts kernel?
[09:52] <flocculant> no idea
[09:52] <spreco> i broke my system, tried with update manager, i guess it was the nvidia driver thing orsmthn ^^
[09:53] <lordievader> Ah it is "Linus Torvalds yesterday released the Linux 4.4 kernel. This is a long-term support (LTS) release"
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://www.mobipicker.com/ubuntu-16-04-lts-final-beta-based-on-linux-kernel-4-4-6-lts-to-be-released/
[09:54] <lordievader> Yeah, much better than having a kernel which is only supported by Ubuntu.
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> how you guys like my xenial desk: http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242
[09:59] <duobi> @lotuspsychje, nice desk, but I'd rather use terminology
[09:59] <duobi> but it's just my preference ;)
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> duobi: whats terminalogy
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> ah enlightment
[10:03] <Headzup> Hi, how can I add my Windows Bootloader to my grub?
[10:28] <alkisg> Headzup: normally you only need to run sudo update-grub
[10:29] <Headzup> @alkisg, ok thx I try it.
[10:29] <alkisg> If you don't see it in the command output, there's something going wrong
[10:35] <Headzup> nice, in the ouput i saw my windows 10 loader. thx
[10:35] <Headzup> reboot
[10:37] <mallard> What package do I need to play FLAC files through Rhythmbox? I have gstreamer1.0-plugins-{bad,ugly} installed.
[10:45] <mallard> Whoops, looks like I just needed FLAC.
[10:45] <markit> hi, 16.04 beta2 has iso and ".img" files, what is the difference?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: all good on mate, or back to unity?
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> i'm happy with mate
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: cool
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | yeganer
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: lightweight are lubuntu and xubuntu
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> installed lxc/lxd, it's completely different from previous lxc
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> oh really?
[12:09] <MonkeyDust> still getting used to it... found a way to come here via a lxc container
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> cool
[12:10] <yeganer> lotuspsychje: thanks, I know xubuntu and lubuntu are the two lightweight ones but I'm not sure which one would suite me better. I red that lubuntu is aimed more towards older models. I have a new T450s
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: depends on the machine really, most lightweight is lubuntu in most cases
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> yeganer  mate is also light and swift
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: but one time i had xubuntu working better then lubuntu on a machine
[12:12] <yeganer> how much hassle would it be to set up a tiling window manager in both cases? I'm currently planning on using awesome-wm.
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: tiling managers of your choice: i3, awesome,...
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: that can fit perfectly lubuntu 16.04 + awesome example
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> i3 has also a large community/chat
[12:14] <yeganer> lotuspsychje: I'm currently using awesome but I haven't configured anything yet.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: there's a small #awesome channel to help if you like
[12:15] <yeganer> I only red the tutorial on how to integrate awesome into gnome/unity but running awesome alone without gnome integration seems better to me.
[12:16] <yeganer> If I understand it correctly, then it doesn't matter which frontend I'm using (Xfce vs LXDE), so where can I look at the other differences between lubuntu and xubuntu?
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: sure
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: visit their websites, and read the features
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: if you choose a base ubuntu flavor, you can go all sides you want, i3,awesome,enlightment,other flavor desktops,..options are endless
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: just keep in mind that 16.04 is still in development right
[12:24] <yeganer> lotuspsychje: I messed up my current ubuntu 15.10 so I'll stick with the beta for now :)
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: sure have fun
[12:26] <yeganer> I hope kernel 4.4 fixes most of my issues
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> yeganer: if not, fill a bug :p
[12:28] <yeganer> well, the bugs are all reported, but nobody know how to fix them. Some report they are fixed in 4.3 but I'll see after I install
[12:31] <yeganer> didn't expect the torrents to be that active 1 day after beta release...
[12:34] <BluesKaj> yeganer, if it's any consolation my 15.10 install totally mucked up after a kernel upgrade, so i dumped it, but I've been runnning 16.04 along side it for almost 4 mos
[12:35] <yeganer> BluesKaj: The same happened for me.
[12:36] <yeganer> upgraded to 4.2-30 and freeze @login screen. reverted to 4.2-27 everything was fine for ~4 weeks, then `apt-get upgrade` killed it.
[12:37] <yeganer> debugging showed some default parameter for my graphic driver changed which crashed it
[12:45] <BluesKaj> yeganer, yup graphics was the culprit here too, just an entry level nvidia 8400gs , but it works great on Xenial
[12:52] <yeganer> BluesKaj: I'm using my internal HD5500
[12:58] <BluesKaj> yeganer, intel onboards usually doen't have a problem with kernel modules. My laptop didn't have one , but it's a 4000
[13:00] <BluesKaj> but Installed 16.04 on it as well to avoid any problems
[13:01] <yeganer> BluesKaj: well, some default parameter changed which caused i915 to crash. Don't ask my what happened there...
[13:03] <madivad> irc noob here... at boot getting a screen with /dev/sdb1: clean, 96xxx/765xxxx, 918xxx/305xxxxx blocks
[13:04] <madivad> I reinstalled several times before I realised that I could go to another tty
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> madivad: harddisk dying?
[13:04] <madivad> being new to beta testing (16.04) didn't know what it was
[13:04] <madivad> I didn't think so
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> madivad: can you pastebin this to us?
[13:06] <madivad> I think what got me more than anything was the fact the screen in that condition is unresponsive, is it the fact that I'm a noob and should realise I'm on (is it stderr or just) tty7?
[13:06] <madivad> What would you like pastebin'd?
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> madivad: the errors where its stuck
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> madivad: normal behaviour of ubuntu setup, would continue flawlessly
[13:08] <madivad> it's on boot, it's not really an error.
[13:08] <madivad> (also server version not desktop)
[13:08] <madivad> first boot
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> madivad: ah, perhaps pastebin of /var/log/syslog then
[13:09] <madivad> I have a new SSD I can install it on, can go thru the process again (it's not like I haven't done it a few times already lol)
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> madivad: also keep in mind that 16.04 is still in development, and not ready for server production right
[13:10] <madivad> yeah, it's really just me playing with different things on a home server setup (it'll be replacing an existing server down the track)
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> madivad: so at wich point your install getting stuck exactly?
[13:13] <madivad> it's not getting stuck at all (I thought it was since during boot it jumps to tty7 and displays that message. no indication that it's there at all.). Install went ok. and this is first boot after install (every install) and every reboot
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:13] <madivad> AFAICT all is good.. it's 16.04 server installed as maas
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> madivad: could ask the #ubuntu-server guys if they know that clean blocks error
[13:16] <madivad> ok, will do... How can I test the disk if it is failing? ie from command line?
[13:16] <madivad> it's a SAS drive it it makes any difference
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> madivad: not sure on sas sorry, better talk to the server guys about that one
[13:17] <madivad> NP thanks anyways. cheers
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> madivad: hdparm for regular drives
[13:20] <madivad> lotuspsychje: thanks. it's a second hand server I just bought (a few weeks ago). I'll do a reinstall with stable (and gui) and run tests on the drives.
[13:20] <madivad> thanks
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> madivad: cheers mate
[13:20] <madivad> lotuspsychje: ie reinstall on the new SSD :)
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !info bonnie++
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> madivad: also handy ^^
[13:23] <madivad> lotuspsychje: (sorry still learning this irc thing lol): is it something I should have known to flick back to tty1 to log in and continue? I feel like a message at the top would have saved much angst last night :P
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> madivad: what you mean?
[13:26] <madivad> lotuspsychje: well computer boots to a screen that has nothing on it but that "clean/files/blocks" message. and it appears frozen/locked. nothing before it, nothing after. no keyboard response. Hence I reinstalled. I didn't initiall;y think to try another tty
[13:26] <madivad> a message saying it is not the main screen would have been helpful
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> ah
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> madivad: not sure mate, havent tested server for ages :p
[13:27] <madivad> (i reinstalled via different keys and even versions quite a few times before I realised---I thought it was a bad key lol)
[13:27] <madivad> lotuspsychje: bonnie++ installed, reading man page. looks good. thx. and thanks for your time :)
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> madivad: np, i hope you fix your install
[13:28] <madivad> lotuspsychje: will do, but i'll run this overnight first... after midnight here and the mrs will get the poos if I start another install lol
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> madivad: better go work on her server now :p
[13:49] <touil> Hello. Is it possible to have in Xenial Xerus the same "old fashioned" scrollbar as were in unity 12.04 (when overlay scrollbar was disabled).
[13:50] <touil> I mean, I don't really like the new gnomish scrollbar and I would like to revert to old ones.
[13:57] <MonkeyDust> touil  gsettings set com.canonical.desktop.interface scrollbar-mode normal
[13:58] <touil> Does not work for me MonkeyDust.
[13:59] <touil> I still have tiny scrollbars that get a little larger when hoovering the mouse above them. I would like the really old ones.
[13:59] <markit> hi, 16.04 beta2 has iso and ".img" files, what is the difference?
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> markit  i guess iso is the live installer and img is a ready-as-is
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> does that even make sense?
[14:09] <madivad> lotuspsychje: still here?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> madivad: yes
[14:09] <madivad> just did a complete fresh install, on a brand new SSD
[14:10] <madivad>  /dev/sda1: recovering journal
[14:10] <madivad>  /dev/sda1 clean, xx/xxxx files, xxx/xxxxx blocks
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> madivad: but it does boot to your installed server?
[14:12] <madivad> yeah... so in your opinion, anything to worry about?
[14:12] <madivad> (just looking thru dmesg now)
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> madivad: well im not sure whats normal behaviour on server, you should ask the #ubuntu-server guys
[14:13] <madivad> yeah, ok, going over now... thanks :thumbs:
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:20] <delikt> hi guys im one of the unlucky ppl they use Ubuntu (16.04/4.5.0-040500-generic 64bit) with an Amd R9 380 with a Tonga Chip. Can anyone help me to get the option Powerplay on (Standard off for this Card). I found out what to do here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-PP-4.5-Steps? but i dont know how to get to this options
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> delikt  16.04 is not stable and already you're using a kernel that's not standard
[14:23] <delikt> hmm ok... i try it out to get my card working :) im sad of waiting...
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> delikt  did it work with 4.4?
[14:24] <delikt> didnt try it cause of lack of knowledge... i dont know how i can enable it
[14:25] <delikt> where i can edit the kernel options? never get so deep
[14:27] <MonkeyDust> delikt  16.04 comes with 4.4
[14:27] <delikt> yeah i know... but this workaround i found was with the 4.5 ... so i updatedet it...
[14:28] <delikt> what is wrong with the 4.5?
[14:29] <MonkeyDust> delikt  did you try the workaround with 4.4, first?
[14:29] <delikt> dude i anwered you already
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> delikt: cool down
[14:30] <MonkeyDust> delikt  what i'm saying is, you're using a non standard kernel on an unstable release
[14:30] <delikt> right... but that wasnt the question^^
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> delikt: testing development branch is meant to help the community finding right bugs
[14:32] <delikt> i have a bug.. my graficcard dont work :D
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> delikt: why dont you file a bug against the default kernel?
[14:33] <delikt> guys why is the kernel a problem i dont get you :)
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> delikt: you tell us why did you get a higher kernel in the first place?
[14:34] <delikt> cause this article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-PP-4.5-Steps?
[14:34] <delikt> didnt find something for 4.4
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> delikt: so if things arent working as expected on 4.4, file a new bug on amdgpu
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> delikt: how else can the devs know otherwise whats going on?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> delikt: after you file a bug, experiment how you like
[14:36] <delikt> i cant test it if it work..l. cause i dont know how to enable it
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> delikt: then add this to the bug
[14:36] <delikt> and that was my question how can i enable the powerplay option... if it didnt work... i can report it
[14:37] <delikt> no it isnt a bug... its standard not enabled for this cards
[14:37] <delikt> dont know why
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> !bug | delikt
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> delikt: explain you tested several kernels to the story
[14:41] <delikt> its ok i boot windows maybe the "bug" get fixed in some years
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> delikt: bugs really matter to the community, and get solved you know
[14:44] <MonkeyDust> especially if a release is still in development
[14:46] <delikt> i already see no bug... i have a pre-version of ubuntu with an not standard kernel and the new (work-in-progress) amd Driver... cause the older Ubuntu versions and kernels with the fglrx driver didnt work aswell... and the new amdgpu should get it finaly.. i can test it... if it didnt work i can report something... but the community write around to neverlands before they tell me how i can enable this 3D boosting option
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> its important users report bugs 'before' final release, so we all get cleaner Os in april
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> so it's a good thing you reported it here
[14:48] <delikt> yeah so how can enable this option?
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> delikt: thats the whol point, if you cant enable by default: bug
[14:49] <delikt> you mean my knowledge about the the system?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> delikt: no, i mean if on kernel 4.4 default you cant enable
[14:51] <MonkeyDust> i guess we're not talking about the same thing ... delikt wants to know *how* to enable, instead of *can* it be enabled at all
[14:51] <delikt> yes...
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> delikt: hardware should automatic get recognized, automatic driver loaded, and all card functions work
[14:52] <delikt> in a wonderful world :)
[14:52] <delikt> not with an amdcard with Tonga Chip
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> not yet, bacuse not all users file a bug :p
[14:54] <delikt> in all articels i read about the driver and card... they say its standard not enabled but i can it enable... but they didnt say how step by step
[14:54] <delikt> the reason why it isnt enabled i didnt know
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> delikt: file a bug, see how devs will follow up
[14:54] <delikt> k..
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> delikt: next user with a powerplay card comes here, might get a big help out of this
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> *phew*
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:57] <delikt> i will report it... and look what comes back... already i didnt report something since i use Linux... maybe i will be surprised
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> im reading stuff about amdgpu.powerplay=1
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> brb
[14:57] <delikt> hmm
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> delikt  that's exactly the idea of a community, open source etc
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> you can contribute
[15:00] <MonkeyDust> now back to my vacuum cleaner
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> i want to break freeeee
[16:55] <Asad2005> during installation i have a message regarding bios compatibility mode, if i continue with UEFI will i be able to boot windows 7 which is on another part?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> Asad2005: your on 16.04?
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> uefi with w7 ?
[16:59] <Asad2005> lotuspsychje: I am installing the latest beta
[17:00] <Asad2005> and i have win7 already but seems using bios comp mode as reported by installer
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> Asad2005: what was the default Os that came by your pc?
[17:01] <Asad2005> its a laptop with ubuntu 12.04 and win 7 dual boot, i am installing 16.04 over 12.04 partition
[19:27] <MoonBurst> I went ahead and removed ubuntu, because it was stressing me out. I figure I'm better off waiting a few more days and trying 16.04
[19:45] <duobix> What will those few days give you?
[19:49] <MoonBurst> Time to destress and hopefully some new options that I can figure out a bit easier
[19:55] <MoonBurst> A decent part of the problem I was having is going to sound kind of dumb I think.
[19:55] <MoonBurst> I couldn't figure out how to make Ubuntu write to my slave drive
[19:55] <MoonBurst> And since I split my partition on my SSD, I only had like 50gigs or so to work with.
[19:56] <MoonBurst> Putting double my ram worth into a swap space ate up a good chunk pretty fast
[19:59] <ChibaPet> Double your RAM for swap isn't a strict rule any more.
[19:59] <MoonBurst> I thought the rules said matching ram or double
[19:59] <MoonBurst> and... I don't exactly know what a swap space does... I just know that my VM demanded that I have it
[20:02] <ChibaPet> Matching is necessary if you hibernate.
[20:02] <ChibaPet> If you don't hibernate, it really depends on the load you run.
[20:15] <MoonBurst> I really don't. It's a desktop
[20:17] <ChibaPet> How much RAM have you got?
[20:21] <MoonBurst> 12gigs
[20:22] <ChibaPet> If I were you I'd be more than content with four gigs of swap.
[20:22] <MoonBurst> that seems like not much from what I was told to use via youtube
[20:22] <MoonBurst> then again, might have been outdated.
[20:22] <ChibaPet> I've got sixteen gigs of RAM on my desktop right now and eight gigs of swap which I haven't touched at all.
[20:23] <MoonBurst> I rarely ever if at all hit full useage of my ram.
[20:23] <MoonBurst> Most users never use more than 8 gigs for anything at all
[20:24] <MoonBurst> Like, unless you're opening  whole seasons of binge watching shows and preloading them or something
[20:31] <ChibaPet> Or running a Java app.
[20:33] <MoonBurst> I suppose you could be running an MMO with a memory leak
[20:33] <ChibaPet> Warcraft crashes under its own weight well before eight gigs.
[20:35] <MoonBurst> Actually... my ram usage does look way too high right now...
[20:35] <MoonBurst> It shows I'm at 90%, but that can't be right...
[20:36] <ChibaPet> Probably filesystem cache. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
[20:36] <jtaylor> what shows that?
[20:36] <ChibaPet> top, for one
[20:36] <MoonBurst> task manager
[20:37] <MoonBurst> It might be because my windows has the pagefile disabled
[20:38] <ChibaPet> Windows?
[20:38] <MoonBurst> Yeah, I'm taking a break from ubuntu, because it was stressing me out
[20:38] <ChibaPet> Pagefiles are not common or often recommended in Unix.
[20:38] <ChibaPet> ah
[20:38] <ChibaPet> Don't use prerelease software.
[20:39] <ChibaPet> Guaranteed broken.
[20:39] <MoonBurst> I was trying to work with 14.04, but because I couldn't get things to write onto my slave drive, I kept running out of memory.
[20:39] <MoonBurst> That and I was being stupid and kept sudo installing things.
[20:39] <MoonBurst> So I figured, screw it. Flip the table. I'll try this again once 16.04 comes out
[20:40] <ChibaPet> This notion of a slave drive is curious.
[20:40] <MoonBurst> I have an SSD for my OS, and a 2tb for my not OS
[20:40] <ChibaPet> How you divide them up is up to you.
[20:41] <ChibaPet> I'm guessing you wanted your spinning rust disk to be mounted on /home but didn't...?
[20:41] <MoonBurst> SSDs have higher read/write. So it makes sense to use that for the OS.
[20:41] <MoonBurst> But I want programs to mostly run from my high compacity storage
[20:42] <ChibaPet> Once programs are loaded you're mostly reading and writing data.
[20:42] <ChibaPet> I'd have the speed there
[20:43] <MoonBurst> my SSD only really has 128 gigs of space. Split that in half for two partitions for different OSs
[20:46] <MoonBurst> And since I'm new to linux and want to play my games... I can't just drop Windows just yet
[20:50] <ChibaPet> What games can't you play on Linux?
[20:51] <MoonBurst> Some simply refuse to work on Linux.
[20:51] <ChibaPet> 20G should be more than enough for a system partition for Ubuntu.
[20:51] <ChibaPet> MoonBurst: Examples?
[20:52] <MoonBurst> Maplestory. It won't run because of the anti hack methods
[20:52] <MoonBurst> HackShield and BlackCipher are essentially system level drivers
[20:53] <ChibaPet> Unpleasant.
[20:55] <MoonBurst> Like, maybe I could run it in a VM, but then I kept running out of space trying to get it to install, because I couldn't figure out how to make it read/write to my slave drive
[20:55] <ChibaPet> Perhaps Windows is the best answer then.
[20:55] <MoonBurst> I figure for now I'll keep the windows side and see if I can work something out once 16.04 comes out
[20:56] <ChibaPet> Partitioning won't change between now and then,.
[20:56] <MoonBurst> Plus being new to unix based computing like Linux, I want to have a windows partition for if I break something and can't fix it
[20:57] <MoonBurst> But I'd need to reinstall anyway, since I kept sudo installing because all the google searches were telling me those were the commands
[20:57] <MoonBurst> I basically messed things up
[20:58] <ChibaPet> The forums are a cesspit. You really want to subscribe to mailing lists for questions.
[20:58] <MoonBurst> Noted.
[20:58] <MoonBurst> Still, I think that knowing I'm Linux stupid is the first step to becoming not Linux stupid.
[20:59] <ChibaPet> Or IRC, although you're as likely to get wildly incorrect answers here too, from self-described experts. It's an unfortunate big picture.
[20:59] <ChibaPet> admin.com - the Unix Systems Administration Handbook - is an excellent resource
[20:59] <MoonBurst> the massive amount of distros is likely part of the problem
[21:02] <MoonBurst> My reasoning is that when you have 130 or so distros, there's bound to be a mixup between them, right?
[21:12] <ChibaPet> They all use the same parts.
[21:14] <ChibaPet> Although, that said, there's an influx of tools from new folks who don't understand the value of tradition and simplicity, so there are some growing rifts I guess.
[21:15] <ChibaPet> The buggy abomination known as systemd is the best example.
[21:16] <MoonBurst> I just did a search for systemd and found a graph that shows problems on the rise
[21:16] <MonkeyDust> MoonBurst  and it's 300 active distro's
[21:17] <MoonBurst> I figure since ubuntu is suppose to be beginner friendly and has huge backing, it's where I should start
[21:17] <MonkeyDust> MoonBurst  correct
[21:17] <ChibaPet> MoonBurst: I agree with that.
[21:18] <MoonBurst> having a large userbase means it's likely to be good to have earned the base, and have decent support from the base
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> also true
[21:18] <ChibaPet> Well. The first one anyway. :P
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> just don't listen to ChibaPet
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> (joke)
[21:18] <MoonBurst> and hopefully have decent support from the base*
[21:19] <ChibaPet> On the plus side, there is a vigorous effort to improve the docs, so things might be improving pretty soon.
[21:19] <ChibaPet> And the software itself is definitely worth using.
[21:20] <ChibaPet> There's also decent vendor support. The sheer headcount with Ubuntu makes it worth being your first target if you're going to ship something for Linux.
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> MoonBurst  there's also this  http://insights.ubuntu.com/category/case-studies?topic=desktop
[21:22] <ChibaPet> Oh, that's neat.
[21:22] <MoonBurst> Make a software update to waterproof my system. Then I'll be impressed.
[21:23] <MoonBurst> who was it that teased that? 4chan? or was it an apple april first thing?
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> and this   http://malaysiandigest.com/technology/482848-linux-is-everywhere-we-show-you-exactly-where.html
[21:25] <MoPac> Hello -- I was looking at the package readout for an in-place upgrade to 16.04. A couple of the "removes" concerned me, and I wanted to check that it wasn't a problem.  xorg-xserver-input-mouse was one.
[21:25] <MoonBurst> and apparently, the penguin isn't very large in population in the snowy areas
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> aww, Putin is in that list too
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> MoPac  yes, some programs are no longer used in 16.04
[21:26] <MoPac> cool. Also, all of python3.4 seems to be going, and (I assume as a result?) qgis and python-qgis are removed
[21:27] <MoPac> ...and kvirc (though I assume I can easily just compile that)
[21:28] <MoPac> I don't know if there's some easy way to check if I will be able to re-enable the repo / re-install a third-party program like qgis that's been uninstalled?
[21:29] <MoPac> (or do I need to actually try installing it in a live 16.04 session or something...?)
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> MoPac  in a terminal, paste this    ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[21:30] <MoPac> MonkeyDust: done
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> MoPac  it's misleading, i guess it's not what you need
[21:31] <MoPac> There are of course a large number of packages -- including more or less the whole qgis set
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> afterall
[21:35] <MoPac> I think what I really have is more of a procedural question. I have the third-party repo for qgis working (qgis.org/debian), and there is a xenial version up. So would I be (relatively!) safe to assume that qgis is being removed by the upgrade because it's disabled the third-party source and therefore doesn't see that it can just upgrade to a qgis that's (presumably) built against python3.5?
[21:35] <MoPac> if that makes sense...
[21:41] <ChibaPet> MoPac: To be safe I'd remove the obsoleted package first, but maybe the upgrade tool will do the right thing. I'd still want to do it manually first.
[22:02] <skjones> i'm sure i'm missing something simple, but the new software center in 16.04 (in live cd mode) seems to only show software already installed?  how does it show all software?