[16:34] <hggdh> already gone. Fire & forget action
[17:42] <Unit193> ikonia: 86.122.154.125 has done a couple drive bys now, might want to set a short ban on it too.
[17:42] <ikonia> he changes it every time
[17:42] <ikonia> didn't see a point on individual IP's
[17:44] <Unit193> Banning Romania might help. >_>
[17:44] <ikonia> it's tempting
[17:44] <Unit193> Heh, Kerberos1 was him too.
[17:44] <ikonia> yup
[17:44] <Unit193> He'll get bored soon enough.
[17:45] <ikonia> yup
[17:45] <ikonia> now he'll get "cannot send to channel"
[19:42] <Flannel> ikonia: May want to back off on that trigger finger.
[19:43] <ikonia> may want people to be honest
[19:43] <Flannel> ikonia: And you have proof that he wasn't being honest, opposed to it being a language issue?
[19:43] <ikonia> he could answer every other question just fine
[19:43] <ikonia> apart from "what did you do"
[19:43] <Flannel> ikonia: What about stacy--?
[19:44] <ikonia> so stacy has been given documents and clear detailed advice for 2 days - refuses to do it, refuses to read it and just keeps going her (I assume it's her) own way and expecting people to cut and paste commands for her
[19:44] <ikonia> I spoke in a lot of detail in private yesterday to not make an issue in public that she had to follow the docs/info - or it was pointless
[19:46] <Flannel> ikonia: It may be wise to let some of that spill over into public (even if it's just "you'll need to do X and Y, like we talked about").  Otherwise people think you're just kicking arbitrarily.  Plus, it lets other folks know the answer *has* been answered, just not followed.
[19:47] <Flannel> just like you just did, actually.
[19:47] <ikonia> I'm not really intersted if others think that to be honest
[19:47] <ikonia> we are here to help people - not allow people to waste peoples time
[19:47] <Flannel> ikonia: Unfortunately, that's not the position you're allowed to have.
[19:47] <ikonia> what isn't ?
[19:47] <Flannel> ikonia: That ops just remove people arbitrarily.
[19:47] <ikonia> I'm not removing people arbitararily
[19:48] <ikonia> I've just explained why they where removed
[19:48] <Flannel> ikonia: If it *appears* that you are to members of the channel, then "you are"
[19:48] <ikonia> no it's not
[19:48] <Flannel> ikonia: Yes, it is.
[19:48] <ikonia> you're welcome / as is anyone to ask
[19:48] <Flannel> ikonia: And people did, in #u.
[19:48] <ikonia> right, one person asked,
[19:48] <Flannel> ikonia: We should never have gotten to that point.
[19:49] <ikonia> you're right - I should have binned her last night
[19:49] <Flannel> ikonia: So again, expend more effort to make things more clear.  I'm sorry it's more work, but it's necessary work.  No one said being an operator was a cake walk or for the lazy.
[19:49] <ikonia> make things more clear to whom ?
[19:49] <ikonia> (sorry what topic to be clear)
[19:49] <ikonia> why I removed them ?
[19:49] <Flannel> to the people in the channel.
[19:50] <Flannel> Give *public* warnings before removal, etc.
[19:50] <ikonia> Flannel: I spoke to Stacy yesterday in private to not create an issue in the public and made it clear ignoring the info would not be allowed to continue
[19:50] <ikonia> the other gentlement - of course
[19:50] <Flannel> I'm not saying "announce why you remove people" afterwards, but make it clear to people following the channel why you're removing them.  Give people dots to connect.
[19:51] <Flannel> ikonia: I understand that.  I didn't know that (which is why I asked you here, but I have the luxury of asking you here).  You've since done a good job of bringing it up in #u re: stacey- and being told.
[19:51] <ikonia> I'm happy to respond to people
[19:51] <Flannel> ikonia: My point is: people shouldn't have to ask.  Because not everyone *will* ask.  And that has a chilling effect.
[19:52] <ikonia> no, I don't disagree with that
[19:52] <Flannel> And that makes it *harder* for people to get help, which is the goal of #u.
[19:54] <Flannel> ikonia: but as I already said, you've since made statements about stacey-. Thank you :)
[19:54] <ikonia> not at all
[20:44] <valorie> re: "banning Romania" - one of our Kubuntu devels is Romanian!
[20:44] <valorie> so please don't do that
[23:40] <hggdh> valorie: the "banning Romania" was, as far as I can understand, tongue-in-cheek
[23:42] <valorie> I assumed so!
[23:42] <valorie> just wanted to say, some folks from Romania are awesome
[23:42] <valorie> all the ones I've meet face to face, anyway