[07:22] <max12345> hello, is there a tool to edit xfce themes where I don't have to manually edit the config files with color codes?
[11:03] <recon_lap1> bloody windows 10, first chance it got it "fixed" my xubuntu boot record!!!
[12:39] <xubuntu84w> how can i change the resolution of my destop
[13:56] <recon_lap> damn it, losing the will to live, damn you EFI
[16:07] <GeekDude> Quick question regarding fstab. Why is the value for umask opposite of what you might put into chmod? Any reason other than that's just the way it is?
[16:07] <GeekDude> I'm mounting an ntfs drive and it threw me for a minute. Permissions 770 is what I wanted, but I needed to put 007
[16:12] <recon_lap3> GeekDude: never even noticed that :)
[20:04] <larry5> what app allows to change keyboard letters/languages?
[21:32] <tracker7> Hi there
[21:32] <tracker7> Desperately need help over here
[21:33] <mrkramps> ask your question, tracker7
[21:33] <tracker7> My linux kernel(?) freezes when im using discrete video on a hybrid notebook
[21:34] <tracker7> tried 14.04 15.10 16.04 with 4.2 4.4 4.5 kernels
[21:34] <tracker7> fglrx\foss driver
[21:34] <tracker7> netconsole kdump doesn't make any records
[21:34] <tracker7> got no idea what to try next
[21:36] <mrkramps> the exact models of your graphic cards?
[21:36] <tracker7> AMD Radeon HD6650m
[21:36] <tracker7> pre-GCN and pre-SI
[21:38] <mrkramps> tracker7, and?
[21:38] <tracker7> got no idea what to do next
[21:38] <tracker7> i can't get any logs from freeze
[21:39] <mrkramps> tracker7, hybrid in terms of "convertible"?
[21:40] <tracker7> hybrid in terms i got intel integrated videocard and discrete
[21:41] <mrkramps> ok, and the device freezen when you switch to intel or to amd?
[21:41] <tracker7> to amd
[21:41] <tracker7> on integrated intel - everything is ok, but perfomance
[21:42] <mrkramps> tracker7, and you have testet fglrx with 16.04 beta?
[21:42] <tracker7> nope
[21:43] <tracker7> only foss driver
[21:43] <j09> Hey guys, I've just done a clean install of 15.10 and I've installed dropbox from the repos, however the icon isn't displaying properly in the system tray, it just looks like an error icon, even when I change icon themes. Is there a way to fix this?
[21:43] <mrkramps> ok, and system freezes with free radeon driver as well?
[21:43] <tracker7> yes
[21:44] <flocculant> mrkramps: just so you're aware - there's no fglrx apparently in 16.04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Graphics_and_Display
[21:44] <mrkramps> flocculant, i know … that's why i was asking
[21:44] <flocculant> aah ok :)
[21:45] <j09> actually on closer examination the dropbox menu doesn't show when i click on it wither
[21:46] <mrkramps> j09, https://askubuntu.com/questions/732967/dropbox-icon-is-not-working-xubuntu-14-04-lts-64
[21:47] <mrkramps> tracker7, there should be /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old showing logs from the former session
[21:48] <mrkramps> tracker7, have you tried free driver in 14.04 and 15.10 as well?
[21:49] <j09> Thanks mrkramps . Not sure why that one didn't come up in my search, but it's fixed the problem. Thank you very much, your help is much appreciated.
[21:49] <mrkramps> yay \o/
[21:50] <tracker7> mrkramps, yes. I've tried foss\fglrx on all setups, but 16.04
[21:51] <tracker7> mrkramps, in "old" logs there is nothing uncommon, just switching between resolutions in last messages
[21:53] <mrkramps> hell, that's quite a complex topic
[21:53] <tracker7> that's the most annoying part
[21:53] <tracker7> nor netconsole, nor kdump doesn't make any record of this
[21:53] <tracker7> so i can't even make a bug report to anybody
[21:54] <xubuntu28w2> Sorry if I'm interrupting something, but does anybody know how to activate wireless networking on Xubuntu 14.04. I've went to the official documentation, but I can't install the ndisgtk package as I don't have internet, and moreover, whenever I try to find the state of my windows driver, it doesn't give back the enabled/disabled feedback.
[21:55] <tracker7> You could try to use android device and share connection through usb and install neccesary wi-fi driver
[21:55] <mrkramps> xubuntu28w2, exact wi-fi device?
[21:57] <larry5> is there a way to customize a keyboard layout (change some key assignments in an existing layout) either in Keyboard or with another app?
[21:58] <mrkramps> larry5, read about xmodmap
[21:58] <mrkramps> tracker7, how did you try switching with free radeon driver?
[21:59] <larry5> mrkramps: is xmodmap a "replacement" for keyboard?
[22:00] <tracker7> DRI_PRIME
[22:00] <xubuntu28w2> Ahh, sorry, the windows driver in question is a Broadcast BCM43142 Wireless Network Adapter.
[22:01] <knome> larry5, you can change certain keypresses to send a different signal to the system with xmodmap
[22:02] <larry5> knome: so xmodmap is more of an add on rather than a replacement for Keyboard?
[22:03] <knome> i wouldn't put it that way, but if you want to use that analogy, yes.
[22:10] <larry5> knome: if I understand the situation correctly, I need: Keyboard - to change base layouts; Pannel keyboard plugin - to dislplay what layout is in use; Onboard - to visualize the layout and xmodmap to do custom changes? Is there a less convoluted way were all of this functionality is present in one app?
[22:10] <mrkramps> xubuntu28w2, you'll need broadcom's STA-driver für this wifi device
[22:11] <knome> larry5, xmodmap changes the keybindings for all layouts, it overrides all layouts you are using
[22:11] <mrkramps> xubuntu28w2, should be available in Settings → Additional Drivers
[22:11] <knome> larry5, if you need to edit individual layouts, then i'd suggest digging into the keyboard layout documentation
[22:13] <larry5> knome: so if I want to create/save customized layouts (and later switch between them), xmodmap is not the way?
[22:14] <knome> you are correct
[22:14] <mrkramps> xubuntu28w2, if ethernet is not available you can download the required package at http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:15] <larry5> knome: so is there an app that would have all the required functionality in one package?
[22:15] <knome> larry5, no.
[22:16] <knome> larry5, as i said, if you want to edit individual layouts, then you will want to dig into the layout documentation
[22:17] <larry5> knome: where would I find this documentation (I couldn't find a way to do layout editing within Keyboard)?
[22:18] <knome> larry5, http://www.x.org/wiki/XKB/ would likely be one of the starting points
[22:19] <knome> larry5, note that this isn't exactly a beginner task, or something you would like to do by opening a GUI, saving and exiting
[22:20] <larry5> knome: this task is sure easier in the win world...
[22:20] <knome> likely so
[22:21] <larry5> it almost sounds like I should stop being a perfectionist and just except an existing layout rather than beat my head against a wall for a week trying to make it happen
[22:23] <knome> maybe, depending on the level of customization you actually need
[22:24] <larry5> I just wanted to change a few letters around in one of the existing layouts...
[22:25] <larry5> in any case, thank you for feedback in this quest :)
[22:25] <knome> if you don't use that layout often, you could technically run the layou change in a script and load an xmodmap config when it's enabled; then on disable, just run an empty config
[22:27] <larry5> it's basically a change for a keyboard in another language; would rather not have to remember two diff layouts depending on weather I am using a Win or Unix computer
[22:29] <larry5> sounds like I should read up on xmodmap to be sure
[22:36] <larry5> btw, what does "Compose key" do in Keyboard?
[22:36] <mrkramps> larry5, ç
[22:37] <mrkramps> can be used to "compose" characters
[22:37] <mrkramps> ç = compose + c + ,
[22:38] <larry5> mrkramps: I can't seem to figure out how it works...
[22:38] <mrkramps> do not press those keys all together but one after the other
[22:39] <larry5> sorry, perhaps this isn't my finest hour but I am still not getting it...
[22:40] <larry5> could you walk me through an example of key reassignment?
[22:41] <knome> the composer doesn't reassign keys
[22:41] <knome> it's a way to "compose" or "build up" characters you don't naturally have in your keyboard
[22:42] <larry5> ok, but then, once created they still have to be assigned to some key to be typed, right?
[22:42] <mrkramps> nope
[22:43] <larry5> I am ready to learn :)
[22:43] <mrkramps> this is a special function key
[22:43] <larry5> please go on
[22:44] <knome> once you compose a character.... then you can compose it again with the same key combination
[22:44] <knome> nothing gets saved
[22:45] <larry5> oh
[22:45] <larry5> to create a character, don't you need to draw a bitmap image of it?
[22:46] <knome> no, just a key sequence.
[22:46] <mrkramps> no, to type it
[22:47] <mrkramps> larry5, do you have assigned a Compose Key in Keyboard Settings?
[22:47] <j09> Hey guys. I always dread this issues when moving to a new distro, but I'm not able to get the icons to show in Kdenlive. I'm in 15.10, have update to Kdenlive's latest repo, installed the ocygen icon theme and the plasmas-framework, and still nothing. Any help guys, and why has this not been fixed yet?
[22:47] <larry5> mrkramps: yes
[22:47] <mrkramps> larry5, which key?
[22:48] <larry5> mrkramps: Right win
[22:48] <mrkramps> send us a rwin + c + ,
[22:48] <mrkramps> press rwin, then c, then ,
[22:49] <mrkramps> right here in the input field of your IRC client
[22:51] <larry5> nothing happend
[22:51] <knome> j09, you said you installed the oxygen icon theme, did you enable it?
[22:52] <j09> j09 i haven't had to when I was using Manjaro, but if I need to now, I haven't. How would I do that? There's no error calling for it in the console.
[22:52] <knome> j09, settings manager -> appearance -> icons
[22:52] <larry5> mrkramps: ç
[22:53] <larry5> success!
[22:53] <j09> knome That changes it for my XFCE desktop.
[22:53] <knome> j09, yes
[22:53] <mrkramps> larry5 \o/
[22:53] <knome> j09, if the icon theme for xubuntu or any fallback doesn't have the icons kdenlive are requesting, there is no way to figure out where they would be
[22:53] <j09> knome That's not my issue. I'm trying to get Kdenlive to work properly, it's not displaying any of its in-app icons.
[22:54] <knome> j09, if it has an in-app icon setting dialog, then use that
[22:54] <mrkramps> j09, run qtconfig-qt4
[22:55] <larry5> mrkramps: but it doesn't seem to work for any combination of characters
[22:55] <knome> larry5, of course, you can't combine *everything* with each other...
[22:55] <mrkramps> larry5, there are just certain combinations supported
[22:55] <mrkramps> for characters which really exist ;)
[22:56] <larry5> is there a list of these combinations I could view?
[22:56] <mrkramps> j09, should have a menu entry called "Qt4 Settings"
[22:57] <mrkramps> larry5, http://tstarling.com/stuff/ComposeKeys.html
[22:57] <mrkramps> ¶
[22:58] <j09> mrkramps what should have a menu?
[23:00] <larry5> § ¶ I feel I am getting smarter by the minute! many thanks - I finaly got it (better late than never...) :)
[23:00] <j09> This is a bug that's been around for over 2 years. I don't know why it's still so difficult to deal with.
[23:02] <j09> This has really been quite a buggy release. I've been installing it today and I've had to dip in to the console more than a few times.
[23:04] <mrkramps> j09, here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03xtVqTJmy8
[23:04] <mrkramps> with super terrible music
[23:06] <j09> mrkramps most of those packages in the video aren't on 15.10 Kde have changed their names by the looks of it, which is probably why there's so many guides out there that don't work. I've spend half the day installing packages i don't need. I'll give it a go
[23:06] <knome> j09, for more insight on kde stuff, you might want to ask #kubuntu
[23:07] <knome> (kde (app) integration isn't one of the main focuses of the xubuntu team)
[23:07] <j09> knome they'll tell me to ask here.
[23:07] <larry5> mrkramps: I saw that Input Method (im-config) is installed on my system; is that of any use for my key reassignment purposes (the letter set of interest to me is Cyrilic)?
[23:07] <knome> j09, if you change your xfce desktop icon theme, do the icons work in kdenlive then?
[23:07] <j09> knome No
[23:08] <mrkramps> larry5, yes i think so
[23:09] <j09> the trouble is not video ediror comes close to kdenlive in terms of quality
[23:09] <mrkramps> but i have to admit i do not know much about input methods at all
[23:10] <larry5> mrkramps: in the usc the description only mentions Japanese, Chinese and Korean
[23:11] <knome> larry5, if you are using the default terminal app, open that and right-click and you will see a context menu called "input methods"
[23:14] <larry5> knome: interesting! does that only work in terminal? because the keymap used there partially solves my problem (ie: key assignment is different than is currently chosen in Keyboard)
[23:14] <knome> larry5, it should work on most (GTK) text input, afaik
[23:15] <knome> larry5, but for example firefox.. nope.
[23:16] <mrkramps> hihihi
[23:16] <mrkramps> mousepad not either, bu leafpad works
[23:17] <larry5> don't see it working in either Mousepad or KVIrc
[23:18] <knome> there you go then :)
[23:19] <larry5> too bad, happyness was so close :)
[23:19] <mrkramps> larry5, you could also setup a second keyboard layout
[23:19] <mrkramps> and use the panel plugin to switch between those
[23:20] <larry5> I did that but was hoping for some further customization
[23:20] <mrkramps> knome, still issues with ibus on xubuntu?
[23:21] <knome> mrkramps, no; it's not shipped :P
[23:21] <mrkramps> =D
[23:22] <larry5> so, no other great apps come to mind that can do what I want just through GUI?
[23:22] <mrkramps> scim or uim
[23:23] <larry5> does that stand for anything?
[23:24] <mrkramps> smart common input method and universial input method
[23:25] <bazhang> ibus
[23:25] <knome> bazhang, youbus
[23:28] <larry5> mrkramps: scim or uim are not in usc, google I guess...
[23:28] <mrkramps> larry5, USC sucks … install Synaptic Package Manager
[23:28] <mrkramps> sry, but …
[23:28] <mrkramps> it sucks :\
[23:29] <larry5> mrkramps: how is that better?
[23:29] <mrkramps> synaptic is not just a software center but a package manager
[23:29] <mrkramps> and there you'll find way more available packages than in usc
[23:30] <larry5> so better selection... will all of it run on Xubuntu?
[23:31] <knome> the ubuntu software center mainly shows GUI packages, so it's better suited in some situations
[23:31] <knome> generally everything in the repositories *should* work with xubuntu and any flavor
[23:32] <larry5> so Synaptic Package Manager is concidered a reliable repository?
[23:33] <knome> it's a package manager; it uses the exact same repositories as the ubuntu software center, just displays the information differently
[23:35] <larry5> apart from larger selection, how is this package manager going to make my instalations easier compared to usc?
[23:35] <knome> i didn't say it would be easier; mrkramps said he thinks it's better - probably because he thinks it's best to have everything visible in the GUI
[23:36] <larry5> so the main advantage is seeing everything in one place?
[23:37] <knome> well, it's your decision to make if it's an advantage or not
[23:38] <mrkramps> larry5, give it a try … if you do not like synpatic, uninstall it
[23:39] <larry5> I'll look into it
[23:41] <larry5> in the mean time, just typed in "keyboard" into usc and got a bunch of hits on configuring and layout viewers; all no good?
[23:44] <knome> i don't have enough insight to say anything
[23:46] <knome> i wouldn't keep my hopes high though...
[23:46] <larry5> too many things to install to try out...
[23:47] <knome> i quickly did a search myself and i believe they are just different GUI's for configuring the same thing
[23:49] <larry5> I wonder why the functionality I seek is not more readily available, you think it's harder to implement?
[23:49] <mrkramps> actually, it is readily avaiable with different frameworks for input methods
[23:50] <mrkramps> but there are not so many people using is, i guess
[23:52] <larry5> mrkramps: so will I definately be able to do character reassignments with scim or uim?
[23:53] <knome> scim/uim aren't character replacement libraries, they are whole frameworks for different input methods
[23:53] <larry5> sorry, back in 20min
[23:53] <knome> they might do the thing you want to achieve though (but i can't say for certain because i don't know how they actually work)
[23:54] <mrkramps> neither me :S