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tsimonq2pleia2: deal :)00:00
pleia2Unit193: yep00:00
pleia2anyway, I also emailed the editors last night, so that's done, I try to do it a full day before publishing to give them time00:01
Unit193Yes I'm pretty useless, just do link checking.  I may also help if there's a problem in the publishing scripts though, have once before.00:01
pleia2honestly we don't have many active editors, and the wiki lockdown thing really hurt us a lot here00:01
pleia2our one editor who was pretty active can't edit at the moment, still trying to sort out x-x00:01
Unit193Also, if I don't respond before publishing, that could just mean I lost it in a screen window so feel free to poke again.00:01
pleia2#12 is adding Credits... I usually do that when I've finished coping summaries over00:02
pleia2now, 13 - we need to do this!00:02
pleia2tsimonq2: if you want to openhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue459 for editing we can do this00:03
tsimonq2alright opened :)00:03
pleia2I recommend opening it up in a second window as well, non-editing00:03
pleia2so, go to the == In This Issue == section and delete the ## lines00:03
tsimonq2okay :)00:04
pleia2then you want to add a list of important articles from the Contents (which is why having the other window open helps)00:04
tsimonq2new computer, Ubuntu Wiki signin times e__e00:04
tsimonq2*sign-in00:05
pleia2I typically grab article titles under General News, Ubuntu Stats, article titles under LoCo News, LoCo Stats header, all the titles from planet, and then am somewhat selective about what I include article titles beyond that00:05
pleia2I'll do a pastebin of what I think this should be, but you can give it a shot too and see how your list compares00:05
tsimonq2okay, we can just diff it then :)00:06
pleia2oh, LoCo News is there twice, need to fix that up :)00:06
tsimonq2*ugh* wiki, come on!00:06
pleia2err, LoCo Events00:06
pleia2duplicate header in there, my bad00:06
tsimonq2http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15546932/ - AskUbuntu script not working...00:08
tsimonq2FINALLY wiki!00:08
pleia2yeah, you need dependencies satisfied, we'll work on that after publishing00:08
tsimonq2alright :)00:09
pleia2here are the headers I'd use http://paste.ubuntu.com/15546936/00:09
pleia2but this part is an art, the main rule here is: include General, LoCo News and Planet articles in the list, then include all headers unless you include an article from that section in the list00:09
tsimonq2what's up with In THis Issue?00:10
pleia2so I included "SDK Planning for 16.10" and dropped the "Ubuntu Phone News" header00:10
pleia2I don't understand the question00:10
tsimonq2how do I do this?00:10
pleia2do what?00:10
tsimonq2== In This Issue ==00:11
pleia2you delete the commented lines and add a bullet pointed list of a sampling of the articles, as I've been explaining00:11
tsimonq2okay00:11
* tsimonq2 looks at a previous issue00:11
pleia2(the commented lines that you're deleting explain this too)00:11
tsimonq2oh, so notable articles? got it00:12
pleia2you can look at past issues, and http://paste.ubuntu.com/15546936/ is what I'd use for this issue00:13
pleia2also, it's essential that the last item is exactly this: * And much more!00:13
pleia2one of our perl scripts matches that exactly00:13
pleia2(I learned that the hard way)00:13
tsimonq2does the order matter?00:14
pleia2it has to be in order00:14
tsimonq2and teach me about the perl script afterwards please :)00:14
tsimonq2alright :)00:14
pleia2as it appears in the Contents00:14
pleia2and don't include too much, you have to manually verify them all for the fridge later00:15
tsimonq2OH I see!00:15
tsimonq2totally makes sense! I get it! :D00:15
tsimonq2so that's it?00:17
pleia2yep, you can save it00:17
* tsimonq2 double-checks against https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate?action=raw00:17
tsimonq2just to be save :)00:17
tsimonq2*safe00:17
tsimonq2(and because I need to learn :P)00:17
tsimonq2looks good, saving :)00:19
pleia2perfect, now step 1400:19
tsimonq2ubuntu-news@l.u.c?00:20
pleia2edit again, this is good if you have CamelCase or something you missed in the In This Issue that needs to be fixed (happens to me all the time) and search the document for lines beginning with ##00:20
pleia214 is "Take out wiki commented out lines"00:20
tsimonq2did the latter, although I'll do it again00:21
tsimonq2OH I didn't refresh!00:21
pleia2I'm going to edit this list again, we should mail stuff at the end ;) which I'll explain too00:21
tsimonq2alright, how do I check for CamelCase?00:22
tsimonq2just read it?00:22
pleia2yeah, they will be links that shouldn't be links but are showing up00:23
pleia2like LoCo00:23
tsimonq2looks good to be, double-check?00:24
tsimonq2*me00:24
pleia2checking00:24
pleia2ah, wiki caching...00:25
pleia2tsimonq2: ok, you can also remove '''WORK IN PROGRESS'''00:25
tsimonq2alright :)00:25
tsimonq2should that go on the checklist by checking for CamelCase?00:26
pleia2and then refresh EditingPolicies again00:26
pleia2probably00:26
pleia2I'll edit00:26
tsimonq2refreshed00:26
pleia2ok, now step 1500:27
pleia2run: uwn/publish-uwn.pl 45900:27
tsimonq2there00:28
tsimonq2ran00:28
pleia2any errors?00:29
tsimonq2nope, except for: Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated, passed through in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/^{{ <-- HERE .*?$/ at ./publish-uwn.pl line 26.00:29
tsimonq2seems like it ran good anyways00:29
pleia2uh oh, that might be a problem for fridge, but we'll see00:30
tsimonq2OH I see in issues/459, is that what I use?00:30
pleia2can you open up uwn/459 and paste it somewhere?00:30
pleia2also, if you can zip up everything in uwn/issues/459 and upload it somewhere for me to grab, that will help us with the rest00:30
tsimonq2simon@semantic:~/uwn$ cat 459 | pastebinit00:31
tsimonq2http://paste.ubuntu.com/15547297/00:31
tsimonq2heh00:31
pleia2ok, that looks alright00:31
tsimonq2yeah totally :)00:31
tsimonq2pleia2: .tar small enough to emaill 110K, lyz@u.c?00:32
pleia2sure00:32
tsimonq2*email,00:32
tsimonq2there, you should have it :)00:33
pleia2thanks00:34
tsimonq2pleia2: "Once the wiki is ready to be published run uwn/publish-uwn.pl (all scripts in https://code.launchpad.net/uwn), this will create several files in uwn/issues/### which you will use for steps 14-20" - you might want to edit that :)00:35
pleia2indeed00:35
tsimonq2so what now?00:36
pleia2first step 1600:36
pleia2open up microblog.txt and paste it here :)00:36
tsimonq2Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 459 for the week March 14 - 27, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue45900:37
tsimonq2:D00:37
pleia2now we're on 1700:37
pleia2poke the social media admins here to do it ;)00:37
tsimonq2who's that? :D00:37
pleia2I think mostly me00:38
pleia2we can do those later though00:38
pleia2number 18!00:38
pleia2now this one you need to be a forums admin00:38
tsimonq2I have a forums account but I'm not an admin...00:38
pleia2I think me, jose and PaulW2U are the ones for this forum00:38
tsimonq2am I going to be dubbed one or do I delegate? :)00:39
pleia2we have to request to be added by the forums council, then renewe every 3 months, really tedious00:39
pleia2make note of this and we'll get you added at some point, I should just do it for now00:39
pleia2while I'm doing this, you can look at step 1900:39
tsimonq2alright, making a note00:39
pleia2can you try to log into the fridge? fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/00:39
pleia2I added you to the admin team, but I don't know if it'll actually work00:40
tsimonq2*gives up finding paper and emails himself*00:40
tsimonq2there okay00:40
tsimonq2I'm in00:41
tsimonq2I don't...Wordpress...what am I doing?00:41
pleia2tsimonq2: I'll explain in a moment, but we need to fix something first00:41
pleia2Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 459 for the week March 14 - 27, 2016.00:41
pleia2it's a 2 week issue :)00:42
tsimonq2OH I see :)00:42
pleia2so we want to change that to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 459 for the weeks of March 14 - 27, 2016.00:42
tsimonq2I got it :)00:42
pleia2then edit all of the things the script made (you can't just run the script again, the caching is too much)00:42
tsimonq2recursive sed to the rescue! :D00:42
pleia2not all of them have this text00:43
pleia2I think just fridge, forum, microblog and ubuntu.news email00:43
pleia2I updated on forums and just posted it00:44
pleia2when you're ready, we can go back to fridge00:44
tsimonq2Welcome to the Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 459 for the weeks of March 14 - 27, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue45900:45
tsimonq2*AHEM* :)00:45
tsimonq2there good00:46
tsimonq2so...Wordpress?00:46
pleia2right00:47
pleia2go over to "Posts" in the left hand menu and select "Add New"00:47
tsimonq2I see, okay00:47
pleia2you want this title: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 45900:47
tsimonq2k done00:48
pleia2then paste the contents of your file called 459 into the big body part00:48
pleia2then over on the right under Categories, put a checkmark next to "News" and "Planet"00:48
pleia2then do Preview, this is the fun part where you check that all the links work (some usually don't)00:49
tsimonq2oh jeez...why the HTML?00:49
pleia2because it's a website :P00:50
pleia2if a link doesn't work, go back to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue459 and grab the link you find in the Contents00:50
pleia2those links are correct, replace it in the fridge post00:50
tsimonq2so I need the WYSIWYG paste?00:50
tsimonq2alright :)00:50
pleia2no no no00:50
pleia2plain html00:50
pleia2Text00:50
pleia2don't use Visual, that'll be a disaster :)00:50
tsimonq2OH cool!00:51
tsimonq2yeah I used Visual :P00:51
pleia2haha00:51
pleia2I guess that's probably the default00:51
tsimonq2awesome!00:51
tsimonq2okay!00:51
tsimonq2link check time! :D00:51
pleia2:)00:51
tsimonq2ruh roh, bad link, getting from contents :)00:52
tsimonq2pleia2: looks good! :D00:53
pleia2tsimonq2: ok, you can Publish and we'll see how it looks :)00:53
tsimonq2WAIT00:54
tsimonq2HOLD ON00:54
tsimonq2two weeks00:54
tsimonq2:)00:54
tsimonq2I would have forgotten :)00:54
tsimonq2looks good, pressing Publish :)00:55
tsimonq2pleia2: https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/03/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-459/00:55
pleia2missing "of:00:56
pleia2for the weeks of00:56
pleia2but looks good otherwise :)00:56
tsimonq2updated :)00:56
pleia2this will sync to planet, but because of all the caching it takes hours for planet to actually see the RSS update, very annyoing00:56
pleia2anyway, on to #20!00:57
pleia2keep your fridge window open00:57
tsimonq2yay!00:57
tsimonq2alright :)00:57
pleia2next is http://discourse.ubuntu.com/00:57
pleia2the text is the same as fridge.ubuntu.com, but you need to remove the newlines because even their html view tries to help by adding newlines x_x00:57
tsimonq2alright, I know HTML, that will be easy :)00:58
pleia2and you post it to The Cafe00:58
pleia2this step may go away at some point, since jcastro wants to shut down discourse, but for now we still publish here00:58
tsimonq2New Topic?00:58
pleia2yeah00:58
tsimonq2I don't see any <br />s?00:59
tsimonq2or you mean LITERAL new lines?00:59
pleia2yeah, like \n01:00
tsimonq2okay :)01:00
pleia2compare your preview with http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-458/246701:00
pleia2your preview will have all kinds of crazy space, bad bad01:00
pleia2just need to tighten it up01:00
tsimonq2noooooo I pressed Post01:01
tsimonq2but I deleted the new lines01:01
tsimonq2so it *should* be fine01:01
tsimonq2but now it's awaiting approval...01:02
pleia2doh, too many links :(01:02
pleia2hopefully someone is alive enough on there to approve01:02
pleia2we can leave it for now, follow up tomorrow if not approved01:02
pleia2I have karma or whatever on the site, so it lets me post01:02
tsimonq2alright :)01:02
pleia2now step 2101:03
pleia2this is all stuff done over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter01:03
tsimonq2*check* on step 21/22, confirm?01:04
pleia2step 21 and 22 are really together, updating the link and text01:04
pleia2yeah01:04
tsimonq2oh jeez forgot to update the days01:04
tsimonq2there, should be good now01:05
tsimonq2step 23 looks good01:05
tsimonq2pleia2: can you confirm 21, 22, and 23?01:06
pleia2yeah, for 23 click the link01:06
* tsimonq2 did01:06
pleia2getting to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Current?action=edit can be tricky otherwise ;)01:06
pleia2since it's a redirect01:06
tsimonq2yes :)01:06
pleia2then 24 is another edit of /UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter01:06
pleia225 is editing of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Archive01:06
tsimonq2there, check 24?01:07
pleia2can't really check it easily01:07
pleia2redirects are hard redirects, so testing it is not a good test, can look at raw but that's about it01:07
pleia2as long as you changed 458 to 459, it's fine ;)01:07
tsimonq2well I mean you should click on the link :P01:08
tsimonq2but okay :)01:08
pleia2because of caching and redirects, it doesn't always behave properly01:08
pleia2so it's a bad test01:08
tsimonq225 done01:08
pleia2ok, on to email!01:08
tsimonq2so where do I get the email content?01:08
pleia2now, we do email last because we cant edit emails, if we find a mistake as we're going through all the other steps we can fix them, but once the email goes out, it goes out01:08
pleia2ubuntu-news.email ubuntu-news-team.email and loco-contacts.email01:09
tsimonq2*sigh* I guess we're good then?01:09
pleia2did you edit all these for the two weeks thing?01:09
tsimonq2yup, I'll double-check before I send01:09
pleia2looks like ubuntu-news.email is the only one that phrases it that way01:09
tsimonq2good :)01:10
tsimonq2yeah, I thought so :)01:10
pleia2anyway, ubuntu-news.email and ubuntu-news-team.email can go out as is01:10
pleia2so go for it :) ubuntu-news.email will land in the queue, so I'll do a quick review and then approve it01:10
pleia2oh, and make sure you delete any signatures that you may have, and use plain text email01:10
tsimonq2so how do I do that? open a file manager and open with Thunderbird? copy/paste into Thunderbird?01:11
pleia2I don't know, I use gmail01:11
pleia2you'll have to look up how to do plain text emails in thunderbird01:11
tsimonq2*nervous chucking* I'll figure it out, I already send all my email in plain-text01:11
pleia2once those are done, we can talk about the loco-contacts one01:12
tsimonq2do I indicate *anywhere* that I'm the one releasing this week, or is it not relevant/needed?01:13
pleia2well, you're the sender01:13
pleia2so your name is in the From field01:13
pleia2but that's it01:14
tsimonq2alright :)01:14
tsimonq2cool, sent to ubuntu-news01:14
* pleia2 has a look01:15
tsimonq2I'll get a snack in the meantime :)01:15
pleia2did you do ubuntu-newssteam?01:15
pleia2er ubuntu-news-team01:15
tsimonq2doing now01:16
pleia2approved01:17
tsimonq2sent01:17
pleia2looks good https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2016-March/000537.html :)01:17
pleia2ok for loco-contacts.email I also add a little section between the two existing bits to highlight specific articles of interest to locos01:18
pleia2so it starts off The new edition...01:18
pleia2then I add something like: In this issue Philip Ballew talks about the Ubuntu presentation he gave at a recent San Diego LUG meeting01:18
pleia2and then it continues, Have news, photos....01:18
pleia2like this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2016-February/007080.html01:19
tsimonq2I'll make a trivial change to that, then I'll send out, right?01:19
pleia2sure01:19
pleia2just make sure you spell peoples names correctly :)01:19
tsimonq2heheheh01:19
pleia2as we have to make sure we do in the rest of the newsletter, but no editors this time01:19
tsimonq2alright, sending :)01:21
tsimonq2bam, sent :D01:22
tsimonq2Alright! Are we good? :D01:23
pleia2yep01:23
pleia2if you want, you can prep 46001:23
pleia2or we can do that on Sunday01:23
tsimonq2hey, totally! :D01:23
pleia2if you want to prep it, go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter and click on the link for 46001:24
tsimonq2never created a wiki page with a template...figuring that out...01:24
pleia2have you used a wiki template before?01:24
pleia2:)01:24
pleia2when it brings up the empty page, search for IssueTemplate01:24
pleia2should be able to find UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate01:24
pleia2then just click on it01:24
tsimonq2March 28 - April 3 ?01:25
* tsimonq2 figured it out :)01:25
pleia2yep01:25
tsimonq2awesome01:25
pleia2once you save, you'll also want to upload the images01:26
pleia2can just grab the images from a past issue01:26
tsimonq2alright :)01:26
pleia2hateful moinmoin, can't just link to images from another part of the wiki, they have 460 versions of the same UWN icons...01:26
pleia2there's the newspaper icon at the top, and then the CC icon at the bottom01:26
* tsimonq2 went to the Attachments page and got them :)01:27
pleia2:)01:27
pleia2and that's it01:28
pleia2it goes much faster once you get used to the process, assuming no problems it takes me under 30 minutes to release, 20 minutes if I'm speedy01:29
tsimonq2*thumbs up*01:29
tsimonq2all good! :D01:29
pleia2now, any time between now and Sunday we can work on getting the other scripts working01:29
tsimonq2you have the time now to diagnose?01:29
pleia2I can spend a few minutes now01:30
tsimonq2alright :)01:30
pleia2have the paste for the first error you had?01:30
tsimonq2uhh no, but I'll just run it again :)01:31
pleia2you linked it earlier01:31
pleia2I was just being scroll up lazy ;)01:31
pleia2for the bug stats there's no script, you just open an incognito window (or some window that is NOT logged into launchpad) and go to the URL linked in the document comments, then calculate the difference by looking at the last issue01:32
tsimonq2http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15548111/01:32
tsimonq2oh okay :)01:32
pleia2install this package: python-beautifulsoup01:33
tsimonq2http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15548124/01:34
pleia2weird01:34
pleia2what version of ubuntu are you using?01:34
tsimonq2Xenial :P01:34
pleia2oh right, I see01:34
pleia2well that's annoying, "it works for me"01:35
pleia2we'll come back to this one01:35
pleia2try the loco events script?01:35
tsimonq2http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15548147/01:35
tsimonq2yay!01:35
pleia2:)01:36
pleia2ok, now the fun ones, security-and-updates01:36
pleia2these are Perl01:36
tsimonq2I actually was doing that now :D01:37
tsimonq2we should include the development release in UWN01:37
tsimonq2for the updates and such01:37
pleia2no, there are waaaaay too many updates01:38
tsimonq2heh alright :)01:39
pleia2used to once it hit beta, but it was just too excessive, ended up tripling the size of the newsletter, and most people don't read them anyway01:39
tsimonq2makes sense01:39
tsimonq2so I have the syntax down01:39
pleia2does it work? :)01:39
tsimonq2or the commands or whatever word of your shoosing ;)01:39
tsimonq2yep totally01:39
tsimonq2let me get you a pastebin01:39
pleia2cool, so you don't just copy these in01:39
pleia2you look at the last issue, and see in the month where it left off01:40
pleia2then copy the stuff after that01:40
tsimonq2I see01:40
tsimonq2yeah I kinda figured that out :)01:40
pleia2:)01:40
tsimonq2http://paste.ubuntu.com/15548181/01:40
tsimonq2right from pastebinit01:40
tsimonq2for Trusty01:40
pleia2great01:40
tsimonq2security script works as well01:41
* tsimonq2 chuckles at "Quagga"01:41
pleia2I think that's it for scripts01:41
tsimonq2do we have a script to push to the fridge?01:42
tsimonq2fridge/publish-uwn-fridge.pl ?01:42
pleia2used to, but authentication made that hard, so we pulled out the publishing part of that script01:42
pleia2now it only generates the file that we paste in01:43
pleia2back in the day we could use password based auth, can't anymore so the script broke01:43
tsimonq2can I remove it and send an MP?01:43
pleia2we still need the script01:43
tsimonq2oh okay01:43
tsimonq2:)01:43
pleia2it is what generates the file01:43
tsimonq2gotcha, I see :)01:43
tsimonq2but I think that's it :)01:44
pleia2ml2fridge.pl is what we use to generate things like http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/03/25/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-final-beta-released/01:45
tsimonq2pleia2: you should probably get a Xenial chroot within the next week and try to play with the askubuntu script01:45
tsimonq2oic01:45
pleia2you feed it a mailing list post, it spits out html01:45
pleia2still need to edit it a bit to add bullet points and headings, but at least it links everything up and writes the citation01:45
tsimonq2oh awesome :)01:45
pleia2yeah, it definitely helps01:45
tsimonq2so I'll email the Forums council01:46
pleia2oh, I need to do that01:46
pleia2since I'm the leader person to authorize it01:46
tsimonq2okay, go ahead :)01:46
tsimonq2aha, I see :)01:46
pleia2what's your forum user url?01:47
tsimonq2http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=201104201:47
tsimonq2never use it01:47
tsimonq2but I wanted the member flair :D01:47
tsimonq2now I actually have a use :D01:48
tsimonq2pleia2: would you be okay with me releasing by myself next week? I know yo uwalked me through and did some elements, but I want to make sure I have it down before I forget :)01:49
tsimonq2*you walked01:49
pleia2tsimonq2: you can lead the way next week, we should still do it together01:49
tsimonq2pleia2: alright :)01:50
pleia2ok, I need to go grab some bread for dinner01:51
pleia2nice work tonight!01:51
tsimonq2the goal is when you are busy for me to *assist* or release by myself? I'm fine either way01:51
tsimonq2but just wondering what your intent was01:51
pleia2probably release yourself ;)01:51
tsimonq2with time ;)01:51
tsimonq2pleia2: have fun! enjoy! :D01:51
tsimonq2pleia2: thanks again :)01:51
tsimonq2pleia2: this is awesome, adding to UWN: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/29/ubuntu_16_04_first_beta_review/17:16
pleia2tsimonq2: great, add it to the press section17:17
tsimonq2pleia2: I might even write a summary for it later, we'll see :)17:18
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pleia2sigh, summaries being written already and we have to delete one23:14
pleia2I left a note inline, so hopefully folks understand why we had to delete it23:14

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