[06:07] <Kilos> guten morgen
[06:08] <Kilos> hmm... taking forever to find hosts
[06:09] <Kilos> hi inetpro theblazehen anton_may dlPhreak 
[06:09] <Kilos> seems everyone else is still on holiday
[06:09] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[06:15] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:16] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:16] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[06:16] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:28] <dlPhreak> Good morning Kilos, theblazehen, thatgraemeguy, Cryterion 
[06:28] <theblazehen> hey dlPhreak
[06:31] <dlPhreak> Had a good easter, theblazehen ?
[06:31] <theblazehen> Yeah, thanks, and you dlPhreak?
[06:33] <dlPhreak> Not too bad thanks
[07:11] <chesedo> morning all
[07:12] <dlPhreak> hi chesedo 
[07:14] <chesedo> hows it going dlPhreak?
[07:15] <dlPhreak> Tyerdd
[07:15] <dlPhreak> Yerself?
[07:15] <chesedo> yea had same yesterday... hope today will be better
[07:16] <dlPhreak> Awful.. my brain is so mush.
[07:20] <anton_may> Ellooo
[07:48] <magespawn> good morning
[07:52] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[07:52]  * superfly pokes his head out from under the covers
[07:53] <superfly> grmblf
[07:53]  * superfly goes back under
[08:11] <chesedo> lol
[08:13] <Kilos> oh my
[08:13] <Kilos> hi chesedo superfly 
[08:13] <Kilos> sick superfly ??
[08:19] <Kilos> ohi magespawn sorry i didnt see you till reread
[08:33] <inetpro> good evening
[08:38] <Kilos> evening inetpro 
[08:39] <inetpro> how is everyone else this evening?
[08:39] <Kilos> we all had a good day and you?
[08:42] <inetpro> not sure here yet, will figure it out soon... hopefully
[08:42] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <inetpro> still a long night ahead, I think
[08:42] <Kilos> yip
[09:22] <Kilos> sigh none of you clever peeps even helped me with langjan battling with google earth
[09:44] <inetpro> Kilos: should be so simple to install on the cli but I don't use GE so won't jump in
[09:45] <inetpro> don't see the point of installing it when the web interface is more than adequate 
[09:46] <inetpro> oh and I just noticed the conversation late last night, sorry
[09:47] <Kilos> it works but doesnt show the full picture
[09:47] <Kilos> sigh
[09:47] <Kilos> im lost there
[09:50] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/2CLjGOPT.png
[09:51] <Kilos> maybe its even something that needs to be ticked in the settings
[09:53] <Cryterion> Kilos maps.google.com works way better than even trying with the application
[09:53] <Kilos> ill tell him ty Cryterion , prob is it worked before there
[09:53] <Kilos> so what went wrong
[09:53] <Cryterion> I'm still curios why google earth application requires a sendmail component
[09:54] <Kilos> oogle is too nosy all the time
[09:54] <Kilos> g
[09:54] <Cryterion> No sure what went wrong, just doesn't work properly anymore, like skype is messed up since Microsoft took it over
[09:55] <Kilos> all the phishing stuff added
[09:56] <chesedo> Kilos: phishing stuff?
[09:57] <Kilos> how they trying to find out everything about everybody
[09:57] <inetpro> that thing eats wayyyy too much data anyway... avoid it like the plague
[09:57] <chesedo> hmm, ok
[09:58] <Kilos> thats why i dont use it or the web interface
[10:00] <Kilos> installed here to see if i had the same problem
[10:03] <Kilos> prob is there by him im sure. some conf or something sick
[10:13] <inetpro> why do we need to update tzdata all the time?
[10:13] <Kilos> in case
[10:13] <inetpro> surely in this day and age we should have a better way to handle timezone data?
[10:14] <Kilos> places move
[10:14] <Kilos> and who knows what can happen when they start playing with nukes
[10:15] <Kilos> different peeps do daylight saving at different times isnt it
[10:15] <inetpro> no, that explanation does not make sense
[10:15] <Kilos> they dont all switch same time
[10:15] <inetpro> I mean the nuke explanation... but even the switching at different times
[10:16] <inetpro> surely times are known well in advance
[10:16] <Kilos> like i think namibia has already removed the hour they were behind us
[10:16] <Kilos> ohy
[10:16] <Kilos> well
[10:16] <Kilos> what happens if uk is nuked away
[10:17] <Kilos> then tzdata gotta check that and update it correctly
[10:17] <inetpro> then we have a different problem
[10:17] <Kilos> or if they are nuked to 3 hours ahead of us
[10:18] <Kilos> i wonder if radio activity affects mobile and satelite signals
[10:38]  * Cryterion starts looking to see where his nukes are
[10:46] <Kilos> haha
 No sure what went wrong, just doesn't work properly anymore, like skype is messed up since Microsoft took it over
[11:02] <superfly> No, Skype did a really good job of that BEFORE Microsoft took over.
[11:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:22] <MaNL> true, though microsoft have not helped the situation
[15:31] <magespawn> home time, chat later all
[15:48] <Kilos> tumbleweed superfly dont forget pics of debconf for us pleaseif i can have a link to them after i can blog the planet about it and give links
[15:49] <superfly> Kilos: https://debconf16.debconf.org/
[15:52]  * Cryterion stares at his fishing rod, hmmm
[16:10] <Kilos> superfly http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnx7um
[16:11] <Kilos> inetpro can also look
[16:11] <Kilos> as can anyone else
[17:58] <inetpro> good morning oom k... oops I mean good morning Kilos
[17:58] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[17:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:59] <Kilos> hello my pro
[17:59] <Cryterion> Hi
[17:59] <Kilos> inetpro gaan kyk http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnx7um en se wat ek verkeerd gedoen het
[18:01] <inetpro> what's the point Kilos?
[18:01] <Kilos> ai!
[18:01] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem party keer
[18:02] <Kilos> was that the correct wat to enquire
[18:02] <inetpro> you seem to make things more complicated than they should be
[18:02] <inetpro> why even enquire?
[18:03]  * inetpro just wondering
[18:05] <Kilos> oh
[18:06] <Kilos> so we can use that as one of our events when reverification comes around
[18:06] <Kilos> we done min these past 2 years you know
[18:07] <Kilos> and
[18:07] <Kilos> its kept some of our guys busy and ubuntu is debian so why cant we get some benefit
[18:09]  * inetpro can see no reason why anybody would decline a reverification of ubuntu-za
[18:10] <Kilos> maybe
[18:10] <Kilos> but be honest we have done min
[18:10] <inetpro> I disagree
[18:10] <Kilos> huh
[18:11] <inetpro> oh and any debconf event is an automatic Ubuntu event
[18:11] <inetpro> after all these years we still have a community here
[18:11] <Kilos> you in strydom mode again?
[18:11] <inetpro> whatever we do, it works
[18:11] <Kilos> yes man but
[18:11] <inetpro> no but
[18:12] <Kilos> we havent done ubuntu hours or release parties or anything
[18:12] <Kilos> weve just been here
[18:12] <inetpro> we're no a company, you can not force anyvbody to do xyz
[18:12] <inetpro> not*
[18:12] <Kilos> jaja but 
[18:12] <Kilos> haha
[18:13] <Kilos> its know practise to show events etc with reverifications
[18:13] <Kilos> not just oh we were here
[18:13] <inetpro> we keep the Ubuntu flag flying high, that is our big event
[18:13] <Kilos> how
[18:14] <inetpro> ai!
[18:15] <Kilos> yes?
[18:15] <inetpro> I don't have to answer that oom Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> ai!
[18:16]  * Cryterion extends the Ubuntu flag pole by an extra metre with some pipe he has that fits
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <inetpro> thank you Cryterion
[18:16]  * inetpro rests his case
[18:16] <Cryterion> ;)
[18:17] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk partykeer
[18:17] <Cryterion> Kilos does it work?
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz does it work
[18:18] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz it doesnt work
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[18:18] <Kilos> dunno
[18:18] <Cryterion> Mazz: Does it work
[18:18] <Kilos> Cryterion does what work
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: you think people who keep coming here do not use Ubuntu at work,home,university,school,church,etc ?
[18:19] <Cryterion> the system we have going here
[18:19] <Kilos> oh the system
[18:19] <Kilos> well duh
[18:19] <Kilos> of course it works
[18:19] <Cryterion> so why fix it?
[18:19] <Kilos> nono
[18:19] <Kilos> you miss the point
[18:20] <Cryterion> ?
[18:20] <Kilos> reverification is a big thing
[18:20] <Kilos> before we have maia doing ubuntu hours often and we had release parties etc etc
[18:21] <Kilos> even had cakes specially baked for release parties
[18:21] <Cryterion> guess it's like inetpro said, can't force it, but can only try get people to do it
[18:21] <inetpro> the reverification thing is a simple process just to ensure that the wheel keeps turning for those teams who are not very active
[18:21] <inetpro> our wheels keep spinning
[18:22] <inetpro> at a fast pace 
[18:22] <Kilos> even when flat?
[18:22] <Kilos> oh
[18:22] <Cryterion> true, some will be slower, some even faster
[18:22] <Kilos> only flat at the bottom so its ok
[18:22] <Cryterion> just goes bump
[18:22] <Kilos> haha
[18:23] <Cryterion> then the bump gets fixed :)
[18:23] <inetpro> with Kilos here our wheels are healthy
[18:23] <Cryterion> yep
[18:23] <Kilos> ai!
[18:24] <inetpro> many others come here often to find awesome and friendly help just about any topic you can imagine
[18:24] <Kilos> well anyway we will use debconf for the next one
[18:24] <Cryterion> like kilos with resistors and led's
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <Kilos> and my water market screen
[18:25] <Kilos> arked
[18:25] <inetpro> how's the screen doing btw?
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <Kilos> pattern changed some
[18:26] <Kilos> less  bright white areas but a clear water mark
[18:26] <Kilos> and screenhots dont work and fone pics are hard work so dont ask
[18:27] <Kilos> good evening everyone
[18:27] <inetpro> the longer you wait the more difficult it will be to clean properly... I think
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: your screenshots are perfect
[18:27] <Kilos> even debs said are you stupid
[18:28] <Kilos> she uses a slightly damp cloth on her tablet
[18:28] <Kilos> ya screen shots lie inetpro 
[18:29] <Kilos> they look from behind, not here where i look
[18:29] <Kilos> Cryterion are you going to debconf
[18:30] <Kilos> oh i wont be here most of the day tomorrow
[18:30] <Cryterion> If it's next month, I prob won't be able to due to workload coming in
[18:31] <Kilos> going hospital for meds before 6am
[18:31] <Kilos> ok
[18:31] <Cryterion> Just suddenly picked up for us
[18:31] <Kilos> life happens
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: sometimes you eat the bear ... and sometimes the bear eats you
[18:31] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <Cryterion> did a quote this morning, deposit was in the account 30mins later, fastest one I've ever had
[18:32] <Kilos> nice
[18:33] <Cryterion> another export, all I've done over the last 18months is export stuff, nothing local, but starting up now
[18:33] <Kilos> whew
[18:34] <Kilos> export me to aus
[18:34] <Cryterion> Africa
[18:34] <inetpro> Cryterion: nice! sounds like fun
[18:34] <Kilos> australia man
[18:35] <Cryterion> they don't order! Africa does, and often a superlink goes up, plenty places to hide you
[18:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:35] <Kilos> must be aus man
[18:36] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[18:36] <Cryterion> only 1 week inside a container to get you to zambia, better then 6weeks to aus
[18:36] <Kilos> holy smokes
[18:36] <Kilos> dont you guys know about airlines
[18:36] <Cryterion> aus is over water, zambia is road
[18:37] <Kilos> those big things that fly
[18:37] <Cryterion> yeah, equipment is big
[18:37] <Kilos> what do you market?
[18:37] <Cryterion> 40ton silo is bigger than some planes I've been on
[18:37] <Cryterion> Bakery Equipment
[18:37] <Kilos> cargo planes can carry tanks
[18:38] <Cryterion> might as make the silo a plane, fly it across, then strip
[18:38] <Kilos> whew such big silos
[18:38] <Kilos> for flour?
[18:38] <Cryterion> Kilos http://www.anmarbaking.co.za
[18:38] <Cryterion> yep
[18:39] <Kilos> wow thats many breads
[18:39] <Cryterion> some bakeries empty 4 of them per day
[18:39] <Kilos> wow
[18:41] <Cryterion> Albany Germiston can produce 40500 loaves of bread per hour, just to give you an idea of the biggest bakery in SA, and it's not the biggest in Southern Africa btw
[18:42] <Kilos> wow
[18:43] <Cryterion> ever eaten a Tinkie?
[18:43] <Kilos> nope
[18:43] <Kilos> what is it
[18:44] <Cryterion> 37 chemicals keeping it fresh
[18:44] <Cryterion> and that plant is a f-ing mess
[18:44] <Kilos> is that one of the yummy things that kills you silently
[18:44] <Cryterion> yeah
[18:45] <Kilos> haha like palony
[18:45] <Cryterion> sponge cake, with cream injected inside it
[18:45] <Cryterion> yeah, same
[18:46] <Kilos> palony viennas and all those thing have stuff in that would turn peeps off for life if they saw it being made
[18:48] <Cryterion> yep, I've seen most things, including chicken only processing
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> much safer on a farm and cutting the throats yourself
[18:49] <Cryterion> I could swear half of them are dead before that get there throats cuts by a muslim priest
[18:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:50] <Cryterion> in a plant they get stunned
[18:50] <Cryterion> electrocuted basically
[18:50] <Kilos> yeah
[18:50] <Cryterion> and they're all between 50 and 52 days old
[18:50] <Kilos> ive been to chicken abatoirs
[18:51] <Kilos> yip hormone fed
[18:51] <Kilos> ive done the broiler bit as well
[18:51] <Kilos> kinda rough
[18:52] <Kilos> but thats why they are tender
[18:52] <Kilos> they still babies
[18:52] <Cryterion> never seen that side, just from the truck loads coming into the plant
[18:53] <Cryterion> and so far, no-one has successfully automated the chicken liver packing
[18:53] <Kilos> a chicken takes 20 weeks to mature, but broilers are slaughtered at 6 weeks and are already around 3 kgs
[18:53] <Kilos> 2 kgs
[18:54] <Cryterion> think rainbow runs around 1.5-2kgs
[18:55] <Cryterion> hmm, an hour to wait for the damn moon, grrr, just to appear on horizon
[18:55] <Kilos> yip even today they havent perfected the art of all growing same speed
[18:55] <Cryterion> true,lol
[18:56] <Kilos> why are you waiting for the moon
[18:56] <Kilos> wanna howl
[18:56] <Cryterion> cause saturn and mars rise ahead of it, so gonna get the telescope out later on
[18:57] <Kilos> why whats happening there
[18:57] <Cryterion> but will still have another hour after that due to damn trees in the way
[18:58] <Cryterion> just want to see better, clearer images now, moved away from city light interference
[18:59] <inetpro> Cryterion: nice!
[19:00] <inetpro> do you need a telescope to see it?
[19:01] <Kilos> ja if you wanna see the martians on the parade grounds
[19:01] <Cryterion> To see better, but both are visible looking like stars to the naked eye, they just don't flicker like normal stars do
[19:02] <Cryterion> or the rovers Kilos
[19:02] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:04]  * inetpro wishing I had a telescope
[19:04] <inetpro> would love to see it in more detail
[19:05] <Kilos> i have a small one 
[19:05] <inetpro> Cryterion: let us know when it's up
[19:05] <Kilos> rifle scope
[19:06] <Cryterion> is there a way to place an image (png) on stickynotes?
[19:06] <Kilos> nono
[19:06] <Kilos> pasteboard
[19:06] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co
[19:07] <Cryterion> ah
[19:07]  * inetpro used to have lots of fun with KStars
[19:07] <Cryterion> http://pasteboard.co/2DlQhIb1.png
[19:07] <Cryterion> I use Stellarium
[19:07]  * Kilos notes the K in front
[19:07] <inetpro> nice to see things on screen and then look at the real skies to find it
[19:08] <inetpro> oh yeah, I also remember Stellarium now
[19:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:08] <Cryterion> shows you where the 2 planets are with reference to the moon at 22:00 tonight
[19:08] <Kilos> serious tools
[19:09] <Cryterion> with stellarium I get comet info, orbital period info and plug it in to track where they are
[19:10] <inetpro> if I had the data I would install it now
[19:10] <Cryterion> asteriods, nebula's, most known stuff is already built in
[19:11] <inetpro> absolutely amazing that all this stuff can be seen like that on the PC these days
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah
[19:11] <Cryterion> full zoom, with current images, I.E. zoom to a moon around jupiter
[19:11] <inetpro> wow
[19:12] <inetpro> Cryterion: using Ubuntu?
[19:12] <Cryterion> yip
[19:12] <Cryterion> and guess what?
[19:12] <inetpro> what?
[19:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:12] <Cryterion> Stellarium is open source, and has a linux option, seperate ubuntu option
[19:13] <inetpro> oh of course
[19:13] <Cryterion> then ported to the other crap os's
[19:13] <Kilos> i only think about stars that can crash into us
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: you've watched too many movies?
[19:14] <Kilos> i hope so
[19:14] <Cryterion> Kilos our galaxy is currently heading for a direct headon collision with the andromeda galaxy
[19:14] <Kilos> actually havent looked how planet x is doing
[19:14] <Kilos> oh my
[19:15] <Kilos> well that many years ahead
[19:15] <Kilos> many 100's
[19:15] <Cryterion> in about 4.5million years
[19:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:15] <Kilos> i dont worry bout stuff that far ahead
[19:15] <MaNI> that planet nine theory that recently came up is pretty cool
[19:15] <Cryterion> but nothing drastic will happen
[19:15] <MaNI> hope they find it
[19:15] <Kilos> planet x should be here by year end i think
[19:16] <Cryterion> we have 12 known planets in our solar system, 8 planets, 3 dwarf
[19:16] <inetpro> Milky Way and Andromeda are expected to collide in 3.75 billion years
[19:16] <Cryterion> something like that inetpro, was just thinking out my head
[19:17] <Kilos> i should be dead by then
[19:17] <Kilos> so someone else can worry about it
[19:18] <Cryterion> They still waiting confirmation on planet X, they believe they detected it, but still can't confirm all info, but it's more likely a dwarf planet
[19:19] <Kilos> and others say its already affecting us
[19:19] <Kilos> moving our poles
[19:21] <Cryterion> there's talk of a planet on a 3500year orbit that passes through the inner solar system, but more needs to be known
[19:23] <Cryterion> If they were really concerned, they would have put Voyager 2 into an orbital course around the sun, as it's beyond pluto now, still has fuel, as they only switched it to backed thrusters about 4years ago
[19:27] <Kilos> i wonder how much about these things isnt aired
[19:27] <Cryterion> At least half of it
[19:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:28] <Cryterion> They don't want us too know
[19:28] <Kilos> so we dont panic
[19:28] <Cryterion> something like that
[19:28] <Kilos> haha panicking wont help
[19:28] <Cryterion> But I believe we are in contact, and have always been
[19:29] <Kilos> oh yes ive read lots about that
[19:30] <Cryterion> and to add to your plant x, with the 3500year orbit, which coincides with the whole myan calender bit btw
[19:30] <Kilos> yes?
[19:31] <Cryterion> myan calendar was 3500years
[19:31] <Cryterion> but just starts again, should it not, we're still here on earth aren't we
[19:32] <Kilos> so far yes
[19:32] <Cryterion> unless those nukes I can't find suddenly explode
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Cryterion> Mars is up btw, with saturn appear on the horizon soon, approx eese
[19:34] <Kilos> latest is with the isis attack in belgium they found plans to attck nuclear power stations
[19:34] <Cryterion> sorry more ESE
[19:34] <Kilos> enjoy your viewing
[19:35] <Kilos> i need to sleep. early up tomorrow
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight'
[19:35] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[19:35] <Cryterion> They release a threat on US, apparantly the last to are just tests
[19:35] <Cryterion> Night Kilos
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro gaan kyk die sterre
[19:35] <inetpro> haha, te vroeg nog
[19:35] <Kilos> haha
[19:35] <Kilos> lekker slaap julle
[19:36] <Kilos> dont worry about planet x yet
[19:36] <inetpro> ok
[19:36]  * Cryterion has trees in the way, grrr
[19:36] <inetpro> me too 
[19:39] <inetpro> think we actually spotted it
[19:40] <inetpro> will confirm a bit later
[19:40] <Cryterion> saturn should be right on the horizon
[19:40] <inetpro> saturn will be behind the trees still
[19:41] <Cryterion> brighter than most stars, above the moon just to the right, mars a bit to the left but much higher
[19:42] <inetpro> yep, and mars is clearly a bit red as well
[19:44] <Cryterion> yes
[19:45] <Cryterion> just got myself fully orientated here in my new invironment, just a roof in the way, clear of trees :)
[19:45] <inetpro> just want to confirm the spot when the moon comes up... 
[19:46] <inetpro> it's a bit more south than I expected
[19:47] <inetpro> but your image tells me that we should have the correct spot
[19:47] <inetpro> to the right of E
[19:49] <Cryterion> Putting up telescope, will post image if can get phone to take a good picture, tricky get the cam on a tiny hole to view
[19:50] <inetpro> we see Mars very clearly now
[19:51] <Cryterion> if you bi-nocs, helps a bit, little bit bigger
[19:53] <inetpro> unfortunately none on hand here
[19:54] <Cryterion> and have to wait just a little longer for it to clear a roof, grrr
[19:56] <Cryterion> inetpro http://telescopeshop.co.za/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=27 that's scope I've got, basic but works
[19:57] <inetpro>  R1400 is that the price?
[19:59] <inetpro> one day when I'm grown up I shall be able to afford that 
[20:04] <Cryterion> lol, think it about 1600 when I got mine 2 years ago
[20:14] <inetpro> wow, actually so nice to see mars very clearly now with the other star to the right of it
[20:15] <inetpro> still waiting for the moon to show up
[20:21] <inetpro> according to Google Sky on the mobile the moon should now be above the horizon
[20:22] <inetpro> that must be Antares to the right of Mars?
[20:27] <Cryterion> yes antares is a bright star above it to the right
[20:27] <Cryterion> Jupiter is above it somewhere, also bright
[20:28] <inetpro> yep, we've spotted jupiter as well
[20:29] <Cryterion> NE about 10oclock vertically is Jupiter, just looked through scope and closest 4 moon run east west 2 on either side atm
[20:30] <Cryterion> can't get phone tho focus through scope for pics :(
[20:30] <inetpro> spotted Alpha Centauri even
[20:31] <inetpro> seen Saturn now as well, I think
[20:31] <inetpro> still waiting for the moon to emerge
[20:39] <inetpro> ok, we got that right... moon emerged now
[20:40] <inetpro> Cryterion: thanks for the alert
[20:40] <inetpro> taht was fun
[20:40] <inetpro> that*
[20:40] <inetpro> even the kids enjoyed it
[20:47] <Cryterion> lol, they would
[20:48] <Cryterion> even my kids have always enjoyed just seeing a repeat of something
[20:49] <Cryterion> I just want to get to see the colours in saturn's rings, it's just all white with city light around, now that I'm away from the city, I hope to get a better view
[20:52] <inetpro> cool
[21:24] <Cryterion> night everyone