[12:33] <stormanka> Sorry for dropping in just asking a question but i helped my in laws to install lubuntu on their htpc (to slow for windows) and the audio stopped working (no idea what they did) now pulseaudio says hdmi unplugged and no sound. Anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:38] <hateball> stormanka: Any kernel updates recently?
[12:51] <stormanka> Hmm, thats a good question, i think they asked me what to do with the update window so its possible
[12:52] <stormanka> i did update the kernel now to se if it fixed the issue but it was there before.
[13:03] <stormanka> hateball: Older kernel worked, thanks ALOT, spent like 2 hours googling without result
[13:12] <hateball> stormanka: could try booting the newer kernel just to verify, in case you havent
[13:12] <hateball> and then file a !bug against the kernel
[13:13] <stormanka> hateball: im doing this remotly and my inlaws had to leave for a bit but ill try to get it done later or tomorrow!
[13:14] <hateball> stormanka: ah :)
[15:49] <onlnr> on my pc with intel celeron N2815 it has windows 7 32-bit. When I google that processor it says it is 64-bit, so I guess I could try install amd64 version of lubuntu. On lubuntu.net, it directs me to dl 15.10 version, but there is also already 16.04. Why shouldnt I go and grab the 16.04?
[15:51] <wxl> onlnr: the only 16.04 is a pre-release version, so i'd advise 15.10.
[15:52] <onlnr> it's going to be released very soon, and is quite close to being ready?
[15:52] <onlnr> and updating from 15.10 to 16.04 when ready is a bigger process no?
[15:53] <wxl> onlnr: late next month. i would not say it's ready for prime time quite yet. there's still a bunch of bugs we need to iron out.
[15:53] <wxl> onlnr: upgrades from one release to another are generally pretty simple.
[15:53] <onlnr> what kind of bugs?
[15:53] <wxl> onlnr: check out the release notes :)
[16:40] <onlnr> I booted the 15.10 live cd to test before installing, anb after booting to lubuntu, I moved mouse to upper right corner taskbar and it froze there, and mouse nor keyboard is responsive
[16:41] <onlnr> is this a bad sign, that I shouldnt install this lubuntu on it :s
[16:41] <onlnr> what should I do next on that I wonder
[16:42] <onlnr> the mouse pointer was very laggy before it froze
[16:42] <onlnr> moved there in slow fps
[16:42] <onlnr> so should I press the power button on this mini pc and try restart it
[16:48] <onlnr> ok restarted and now chose the check disc for defects
[16:55] <onlnr> check finished. errors found in 2 files! press enter to reboot
[16:56] <onlnr> ehhm. So I guess I should download and make the USB bootable disc again from the scratch
[16:57] <diffis> I'd do that. Did you also check the MD5 sum of the iso?
[17:00] <onlnr> it was 'press any key to reboot' i pressed, and got black screen and nothing happening, but it is not shut down I think, since pressing power button once wont restart it
[17:01] <onlnr> I didn't check. maybe I do that first
[17:02] <diffis> Black screen after installation can be because there is not correct gpu driver. But I'm not very experienced user at all.
[17:04] <onlnr> I didnt install, but checked defects from the live usb, and after it had found 2 errors I pressed any key to reboot
[17:04] <onlnr> the sha256 matches, so the iso is fine
[17:04] <diffis> Ah. Good!
[17:05] <onlnr> by the way it is this mini PC with intel celeron N2815 for some reason I am trying to install it. Fresh one http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2015-New-Design-Mini-Computer-Desktop-Celeron-N2830-N2840-N2930-N2940-Qual-core-Micro-pc-HDMI/1169094_32602929663.html
[17:07] <onlnr> how reliable that defect checker is. It takes a while to do that check
[17:10] <diffis> No idea. That's far beyond my knowledge.
[17:14] <wxl> onlnr: the defect checker is indeed reliable. it essentially checks the hash of the installation media against the published hash of the iso.
[17:14] <onlnr> well the iso has I used to create the bootable usb disc was same as on the ubuntu website
[17:15] <onlnr> but I try again now. I recreated the usb now, and reboot and check defects again
[17:15] <wxl> onlnr: that only tells you about the iso, not the installation media. there can be problems in both downloading and copying.
[17:16] <onlnr> hmm ye
[17:17] <wxl> onlnr: what are you using to create the usb?
[17:18] <onlnr> check finished, errors found 2 files
[17:18] <onlnr> again
[17:19] <onlnr> Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.6.3.exe
[17:20] <wxl> oh, windows.
[17:20] <wxl> not sure i can provide much assistance there.
[17:20] <wxl> but i will say that some methods are more reliable than others
[17:20] <onlnr> my usb hub where the stick is inserted for creation is not very good
[17:20] <wxl> that could be part of the reason
[17:20] <onlnr> but I have managed to create bootable discs with it, jsut last week
[17:20] <wxl> think about this:
[17:20] <onlnr> not lubuntu but other os
[17:21] <wxl> it could be one bit off
[17:21] <wxl> one bit
[17:21] <wxl> if that's the case, i'd bet a lot of things would work correctly
[17:21] <onlnr> think I am gonna try another OS for this system
[17:21] <wxl> the unfortunate thing is you have no way of knowing what would not work right
[17:21] <onlnr> maybe arch or just ubuntu
[17:21] <wxl> you could always try just completing the installation, but you might run into issues
[17:22] <wxl> or you could put it on a cd/dvd
[17:22] <wxl> chances are if you have a problem with this, you'll have a problem with anything
[17:22] <onlnr> I dont have cd/dvd drives
[17:22] <wxl> especially anything within the ubuntu family
[17:22] <wxl> since they all use the same backbone
[17:25] <teward> wxl: perhaps the Ubuntu docs for installing to a thumb drive via Windows is prudent?
[17:25] <teward> can potentially apply to Lubuntu
[17:25] <wxl> teward: link us
[17:25] <teward> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[17:25]  * teward coughs
[17:25] <wxl> he seems to be using that
[17:26] <teward> and it's not working?
[17:26]  * teward scrolls back
[17:26] <wxl> he continues to get errors when running the self-check
[17:26]  * teward only has the last 8 lines in here before he spoke
[17:26] <teward> ISO md5sum matched?
[17:26] <teward> wxl: obvious questions are obvious ;)
[17:26] <wxl> teward: yep
[17:27] <onlnr> yea I use that. sha256 matches on .iso and website,
[17:27] <teward> onlnr: any chance you can take the USB Hub out of the equation and jack the stick right into the computer to create the stick?
[17:27] <teward> to remove your USB Hub from the equation
[17:28] <onlnr> yea I was thinking that, but then I need to arrange things abit
[17:37] <onlnr> still 2 errors
[17:38] <onlnr> has people succesfully installed from that iso
[17:38] <wxl> yep
[17:38] <onlnr> maybe lubuntu is so unpopular that I am first one :D
[17:38] <onlnr> maybe not
[17:39] <wxl> i think it's fair to say we have very few people using windows, though
[17:40] <onlnr> i try the 16.04 iso
[17:40] <diffis> Could you try different program to create the stick?
[17:40] <teward> I'd offer to send you a USB with Lubuntu on it, created by yours truly, but I don't have money to ship it :)
[17:40] <wxl> you could try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb
[17:40] <teward> ^ that possibly
[17:41] <wxl> you also may want to try to completely erase and reformat the drive
[17:41] <wxl> it might be there's still some stuff at the end of the drive that the lubuntu iso isn't covering up
[17:41] <wxl> since it's so darn small XD
[17:43] <onlnr> cant try 1604 with that tool, it somehow doesnt find it
[17:44] <onlnr> yeah, I used that win32disk imager for making dietpi and raspbian images so I have that actually already
[17:44] <onlnr> well, I try the 15.10 first out of curiosity
[17:45] <onlnr> that app wants me to search .img files only. I wonder if this is some rpi modified win32disk imager
[17:46] <wxl> most likely
[17:47] <onlnr> hmm just checking that ubuntu page and it looks same and says to search *.* hm but I guess I should still get another copy of this tool
[17:58] <onlnr> okay..wat. Errors found in 1 files!
[17:59] <onlnr> I try the 1604 iso.. this is weird
[18:04] <onlnr> is it similarly easy to update to 1604 lts from this 1604 alpha/beta like from 1510
[18:04] <onlnr> or easier. I didnt check checksum of this 1604 but oh well
[18:07] <onlnr> okay.. just getting dark blue background disc defect test now and not actualy output whats going on
[18:14] <wxl> having not checked the md5 of the iso, it's hard to say
[18:15] <wxl> it might be good to use the 15.10, too, since that's the one you were previously testing with
[18:19] <onlnr> I tried again with 1604, and now when blue screen comes, I press keyboard arrow down, and I got console output of the check. There I notice OK'ing a lot, but boot/grup/efi.img said mismatch
[18:19] <wxl> a mismatch is a mismatch
[18:20] <onlnr> I have hard time finding these pages with the checksums
[18:21] <onlnr> like with basic ubuntu I try now find I only find http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/INSTALL/Ubuntu/dvd-releases/releases/15.10/release/
[18:21] <onlnr> ok 1604 lubuntu was easy, lets see
[18:21] <wxl> all current images are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:21] <wxl> more specifically http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[18:22] <onlnr> where to find ubuntu amd64
[18:23] <wxl> ubuntu which?
[18:23] <onlnr> haha okay. my lubuntu 1604 doesnt match
[18:23] <onlnr> first time this happens
[18:23] <onlnr> Interesting how hard it is to even start installing linux this time :p
[18:23] <wxl> your problem is with copying
[18:23] <wxl> you can blame windows :)
[18:24] <wxl> brb
[18:24] <onlnr> ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:26] <onlnr> on that page I have tried to navigate to get that image from 3 different directories, but none of them has
[18:26] <onlnr>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:26] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.10/release/MD5SUMS
[18:26] <teward> ^ that
[18:27] <teward> onlnr: they're usually in the same directory as whatever image you were pulling down
[18:27] <onlnr> teward: not lubuntu, ubuntu
[18:27] <teward> same
[18:27] <onlnr> ubuntu is in the lubuntu directory?
[18:27] <teward> ... no, you have to navigate around
[18:27] <ianorlyn> They are all on cdimage
[18:27] <teward> they're *all* on cdimage, but in their own respective dirs
[18:28] <onlnr> yeah, I checked but couldnt find
[18:28] <teward> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/wily/release/ for 15.04 Ubuntu Desktop
[18:28] <teward> which suggests you didn't go to the **root directory**, select 'ubuntu', then 'releases', then picked the specific version you were hunting
[18:28] <teward> s/15.04/15.10/
[18:28] <onlnr> server powerpc and ppc64 there
[18:28] <teward> yes I can't type :)
[18:29] <teward> then i'll have to stab the mirrors team
[18:29] <teward> http://releases.ubuntu.com/wily/
[18:29] <teward> the other location
[18:29] <onlnr> where is the desktop, I only see powerpc and ppc64
[18:29] <teward> onlnr: [2016-03-30 14:29:05] <teward> http://releases.ubuntu.com/wily/
[18:29] <teward> [2016-03-30 14:29:07] <teward> the other location
[18:29]  * teward sighs
[18:30] <onlnr> hmm so it wasnt at cdimage.ubuntu.com. quite strange to not put it there
[18:31] <onlnr> s/strange/non-systematic maybe
[18:48] <onlnr> errors found in 1 file
[18:49] <onlnr> ok. 4h wasnt enough to get to install OS this time so I continue tomorrow :-)
[18:52] <onlnr> Pendrivelinux actually change two files to make the live USB drive boot correctly. The live USB drive has in fact been made successfully, and will work seamlessly both for trying ubuntu and for installation
[18:53] <onlnr> someone comments when someone had 2 errors with that
[18:53] <onlnr> I had 2 errors with pendrive, 1 with the win32 imager
[18:53] <onlnr> I guess it's same with the win32 imager
[18:58] <onlnr> okay, thanks for your help folks. I try install tomorrow despite these errors :)
[18:59] <onlnr> ->
[22:44] <feneco> hi, the scroll behavior on lubuntu 14.04 is weird for me, I am using it on vbox (ubuntu host, lubuntu guest), and sometimes I scroll on lubuntu, it minimizes the applications, sometimes it scrolls backwards
[22:44] <feneco> any idea?
[23:01] <ianorlin> feneco: if you scorll over the taskbar at the bottom it minimize applicatoins
[23:07] <feneco> ianorlin: do you know if I can disable this? and if it's like that on 15.10 too?
[23:08] <ianorlin> right click on the panel click panel settings-> panel applets click settings for that and uncheck use mousewheel
[23:09] <ianorlin> I am not sure about scrolling backwards
[23:09] <wxl> might want to check the mouse bindings in the openbox config for that, but i can't think of anything off hand
[23:10] <ianorlin> wxl that too
[23:11] <feneco> wxl: I tried to remove some entries from there, but I think it didn't help, so I tried to remove others, then I messed up that file
[23:11] <feneco> but I will check again
[23:11] <feneco> thanks ianorlin wxl
[23:19] <feneco> is there any lightweight launcher on lxde? something you can recommend that I can type the name of the app and it launches
[23:21] <ianorlin> feneco: there is alt+f2 as the normal defualt launcher but with the openbox bindings you could use dmenu_run but that is in the package suckless-tools
[23:24] <feneco> ianorlin: alt+f2 should work by default on 14.04?
[23:24] <wxl> feneco: it should work by default on all versions, unless you screwed it up in the openbox config :)
[23:24] <wxl> feneco: it does not allow you to use the name of the app. it's basically a way to run a command line in the $PATH
[23:25] <feneco> wxl: I restored my default openbox config, I had it backed up before modifying, even then alt+f2 does nothing on my lubuntu
[23:26] <ianorlin> hmm that might be an old 14.04 bug or something I remember
[23:26] <ianorlin> but it got fixed I think
[23:28] <feneco> on 16.04 I saw that there will be a new launcher, right?
[23:28] <wxl> not that i'm aware of
[23:38] <feneco> oh
[23:38] <feneco> ok, thanks again
[23:38] <feneco> :D