[00:20] <coffeeguy> well that was interesting
[00:20] <coffeeguy> hehe
[00:20] <coffeeguy> thanks for the help x1l
[00:21] <k1l> np
[00:32] <Beladona> How can i upgrade from 14.x LTS to 16.x LTS despite beta
[00:32] <Beladona> ?
[00:32] <k1l> Beladona: you need to use the -d for developer switch
[00:32] <Beladona> k1l,  in which command?
[00:33] <k1l> update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[00:33] <Beladona> oh ok
[00:34] <k1l> Beladona: and keep in mind you dont get support in #ubuntu until release. and most PPAs dont work.
[00:34] <Beladona> k1l,  once the stable release is released, I will auto be upgraded to stable if I just do apt-get upgrade?
[00:35] <k1l> it will become the final release, yes. but you need to run apt full-upgrade to get all updates
[00:36] <Beladona> ok. I can run it now too?
[00:36] <Beladona> after the do-release thing?
[00:36] <Beladona> I wonder whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get full-upgrade
[00:37] <k1l> not apt-get
[00:37] <Beladona> I wonder whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt full-upgrade
[00:40] <k1l> http://askubuntu.com/questions/605719/the-difference-between-the-different-apt-upgrade-commands
[00:49] <Beladona> thanks
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !info redshift xenial
[08:14] <eoli3n> hi
[08:14] <eoli3n> i removed network manager on the beta
[08:14] <eoli3n> and declarated eth0 in etc/network/interfaces
[08:15] <eoli3n> when i ifup eth0, it says that if cant find eth0, cannot bring up the interface
[08:15] <eoli3n> s/if/it
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: upgrade or clean install?
[08:15] <eoli3n> clean install
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: why removes nm?
[08:16] <eoli3n> why not
[08:16] <eoli3n> i prepare the image for 800 clients
[08:16] <eoli3n> i'm at work
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: xenial is still in developing mode right, things can still break in this stage
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: you could try to file a bug perhaps?
[08:17] <eoli3n> seriously... /etc/network/interface declaration is basic network configuration
[08:17] <eoli3n> if ubuntu depends to network-manager to get network working, i leave
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> optional
[08:54] <snadge> https://juliank.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/dropping-sha-1-support-in-apt/
[08:54] <snadge> this is horrible!
[08:54] <snadge> i want to punch this guy in the face ;)
[08:59] <snadge> "Technical restrictions prevent us from just showing a warning in a sensible way."
[09:02] <snadge> so now i can't install hipchat :|
[09:07] <daedric> IIRC sha1 is not safe so I was more surprised to see that it was still in use than the fact they are removing it now
[09:08] <snadge> dpkg -i did the trick
[09:08] <daedric> *not safe for a long time
[09:08] <snadge> i was more offended that there wasn't an option to just ignore that.. ie.. --do-it-anyway
[09:09] <snadge> --allow-unauthenticated only works for installation of packages.. not the update or get package list part
[09:11] <daedric> I see
[09:12] <snadge> part of me thinks.. this *should* hopefully light a firecracker under repo maintainers to update their hashes to something about more secure, more quickly
[09:12] <snadge> rather than.. "oh just use --ignore-any-kind-of-security"
[09:12] <daedric> I guess this is the goal
[09:13] <daedric> we can see that when people are nice, it takes years to migrate stuff (e.g. Python 2 and 3)
[10:50] <pastafarian_guru> i'm not responsible for the spaghetti code
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hi MonkeyDust
[13:15] <clivejo> is there a channel for questions about packaging?
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> clivejo  try #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> clivejo  or ask here and wait
[13:16] <clivejo> Im trying to use dch but its now behaving how Id expect
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> dch?
[13:19] <lordievader> Debian change log, IIRC.
[13:19] <lordievader> Quite a usefull utility.
[14:00] <jubo2> Hey. Happy LTS.
[14:01] <jubo2> Is even year and spring. Ist Zeit für LTS release
[14:01] <jubo2> The New Kubuntu seems much more responsive
[14:02] <jubo2> I heard the 4.4-series kernel has some significant improvement over 4.2-series
[14:03] <jubo2> and it just feels so fast
[14:03] <jubo2> then again I run JACK sound server on it
[14:03] <jubo2> the 15.10
[14:06] <jubo2> The only thing that bugs me in this new system is there is some drawing issue causing black flashes on screens
[14:33] <genii> apt is no longer complaining of weak keys for some Kubuntu PPAs, so this is good.
[14:34] <k1l> the maintainers will have to make new keys/proper signing to get the users rid of that message.
[14:34] <k1l> google will change it on the next chrome release, too, they said in my bug report to them
[14:41] <jubo2> Really good idea to make 2 rows of apps in the panel. I like to keep it bigger so I can see the CPU load, speed and and memory usage with numbers and graphics
[14:41] <snadge> hmm.. april fools has started early on slashdot?
[14:51] <jubo2> one should be able to select sets of apps from repos
[14:52] <jubo2> I tried to dpkg --set-selections route of getting my apps
[14:53] <jubo2> but KXStudio repos are not ready for Genial Genux
[14:53] <jubo2> so it installed none of the apps.. prlly hit some error rate threshold that says that nothing will be installed
[14:56] <jubo2> what is the name of the package of the screen capture program?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> jubo2: kazam is nice
[14:57] <bjornar__> is btrfs the default filesystem for xenial?
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bjornar__: no
[14:57] <jubo2> bjornar__: I like EXT4
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | bjornar__
[14:57] <jubo2> is very nice
[14:57] <jubo2> is journaling since version 3
[14:59] <jubo2> In the 90's students needed to write statements and commits... in SQL. Now the filesystem does the same, journaling.
[14:59] <jubo2> if statements without commits are found they can be rolled back to previous state
[14:59] <jubo2> genial!
[15:00] <jubo2> less broken files this way
[15:02] <daedric> yeah, like adding feature was a way to remove bug :)
[15:07] <daedric> http://danluu.com/file-consistency/
[15:07] <daedric> was quite nice to read
[17:02] <k1l_> Mikerhinos: i would file a bugreport if the setting doesnt work
[17:02] <Mikerhinos> Hi, I'm on Ubuntu Gnome and the mouse button swap (I'm left handed) doesn't work, in the gnome settings panel or dconf editor, I can activate it but it has no effect (still right handed), any idea ?
[17:03] <k1l_> Mikerhinos: did you try to logout and in again already?
[17:03] <Mikerhinos> Wow, I get an answer before I even asked the question lol, talk about efficiency... :D
[17:04] <Mikerhinos> Yeah, actually I'm on it since day 1 (not so along ago lol), and it worked 1 time when using dconf editor for 1st time, but when I rebooted, setting was gone :/
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: getting crowdy in discuss :p
[17:18] <MonkeyDust> i'm struggling with my tv, sound but no image
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: brand?
[17:20] <MonkeyDust> medion, i guess it's the 'elco', electrolytic something
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: hmm doesnt sound good
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> no
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> well, there is sound
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> ;)
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: does it have a chip at the back?
[17:24] <MonkeyDust> 'chip' sounds rather vague
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yeah i dont know the exact name for it
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: but you could try to unplug it/re-insert
[17:27] <MonkeyDust> done
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> no luck?
[17:38] <salamanderrake> is this real? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=105320
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> salamanderrake  yes, we had plenty rants about it, today
[18:39] <Han> Hi all, everything's working great so far. :-)
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> Han: great to hear mate
[18:42] <Han> Let's try that new kernel. They always seem to break my wireless with suspend mode
[19:01] <Mikerhinos> speaking of wireless, people like me with a RTL81XX chip still needs to compile our own module with https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes , several years later to get it working fine... :/ Why isn't it in the kernel ? :(
[19:11] <Han> Mikerhinos, is there an open bug for that problem?
[19:18] <psycrafts> hi there
[19:20] <psycrafts> i wish to report a strange bug
[19:20] <psycrafts> i'm also using lots of proprietary software
[19:20] <Mikerhinos> Han, how can I check it ? Because I know that I'm far from the only one to own a wifi usb key with that chips, and that bug is present since several years
[19:21] <psycrafts> on Xenial Xerus atm
[19:22] <psycrafts> are there people here atm?
[19:22] <psycrafts> and is this a place where can i report a bug?
[19:22] <xemacs> ya never know
[19:22] <psycrafts> okay
[19:23] <psycrafts> sometimes left clicking with mouse gone
[19:23] <xemacs> there is a bug list check that 1st
[19:23] <psycrafts> no physical problems with the mouse
[19:23] <psycrafts> i can't just left click
[19:24] <psycrafts> i said, this is a strange one
[19:24] <psycrafts> what can it be related with
[19:25] <psycrafts> if you can give me some direction i believe i can fix this
[19:25] <xemacs> drvier issue, hardware failure
[19:25] <Han> Mikerhinos, google bugzilla ubuntu ;-)
[19:25] <psycrafts> which hardware
[19:26] <xemacs> cable or button
[19:26] <psycrafts> no it is fixed when i reboot
[19:26] <xemacs> i am doing this off the top of my head ;)
[19:26] <psycrafts> it shouldn't be hardware stuff
[19:26] <xemacs> so driver issue
[19:26] <xemacs> most likely
[19:26] <psycrafts> xinput issue or something other?
[19:27] <xemacs> buffer not aligned hardware and software not on same page ....
[19:28] <psycrafts> okay this is happening while i'm browsing on firefox or using a java application
[19:28] <psycrafts> very random i can say
[19:28] <psycrafts> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLrdgvGJxU this is some music
[19:29] <xemacs> maybe low level common issuue or 2 bugs
[19:30] <xemacs> or a buffer that is to small ......
[19:30] <psycrafts> which bugs can you forward them to me?
[19:31] <psycrafts> the bugreports
[19:31] <xemacs> there is a link i dont have it handy sorry.
[19:32] <psycrafts> oh man what is everyone doing here?
[19:32] <xemacs> waiting for more ontopic things
[19:32] <psycrafts> like what, please tell me
[19:33] <xemacs> i just had lnuch
[19:33] <xemacs> the current bugs and fixing them !!
[19:35] <psycrafts> okay..there may be more serious bugs that i can understand but an unworking left mouse button is quite annoying when it happens
[19:35] <Han> psycrafts, nice music.
[19:35] <psycrafts> is there anything i can volunteer to fix things up
[19:35] <psycrafts> thank you Han ^^
[19:36] <psycrafts> i can understand in some extent
[19:36] <xemacs> try to character rize the problem more
[19:36] <xemacs> then file the report
[19:37] <Han> psycrafts, officially you should report bugs to bugzilla of course. But this is a great place to help you formulate a proper report.
[19:37] <psycrafts> is it the place where i can characterize the issue?
[19:37] <psycrafts> Linux xenial 4.4.0-16-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 24 22:32:30 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:38] <psycrafts> i'm using Oracle's java
[19:38] <psycrafts> it first happened when i was using a java application
[19:38] <psycrafts> but a couple of hours ago it happened when i was browsing on firefox
[19:39] <psycrafts> the problem is, left clicking on mouse suddenly brokens
[19:39] <psycrafts> but the right clicking works
[19:40] <Han> can you run the application from a terminal, so you can see the console output?
[19:40] <psycrafts> i can use keyboard shortcuts like alt-f2 so i can open terminal
[19:40] <psycrafts> only mouse doesn't work when it's broke
[19:41] <psycrafts> only right click of mouse man first i thought it's a hardware issue but it's not
[19:42] <psycrafts> how can i trace this when this happens?
[19:43] <Han> How do you know it's not a hardware issue?
[19:43] <psycrafts> when i reboot, the problem is gone
[19:44] <psycrafts> but i didn't tried with different mouses, for real
[19:44] <Han> Did you check the dmesg?
[19:44] <psycrafts> ok i will check it now
[19:46] <Han> You should check the dmesg right after the problem occurs.
[19:46] <psycrafts> for the mouse or mice?
[19:47] <psycrafts> i'm really open for suggestions
[19:47] <psycrafts> which device should i check for when it happens?
[19:48] <psycrafts> input, mouse, mice?
[19:48] <psycrafts> or even usb
[19:49] <Han> If there is a problem which involves the kernel the dmesg messages at the end are relevant.
[19:49] <psycrafts> if it's not kernel related it may be cause of current xinput drivers
[19:50] <psycrafts> this is what i foresee
[19:50] <psycrafts> i'm using mate desktop
[19:50] <Han> in that case you would not see any kernel messages. You need to eliminate to be sure.
[19:51] <psycrafts> it may be in some codes of mate-developers
[19:52] <psycrafts> thank you for caring this stuff
[19:52] <psycrafts> if this persists badly i'll contact with them
[19:52] <Han> And if it's an x driver problem you should check the X.org log file.
[19:53] <psycrafts> i'm using nvidia's prop drivers
[19:55] <psycrafts> how can i contribute to ubuntu?
[19:55] <psycrafts> i really want to
[19:57] <xemacs> start at main page. documenation, and testing and mainting alway could use more help
[20:04] <psycrafts> that mouse issue happened now
[20:05] <psycrafts> i checked some dmesg message how can i paste them without any mouse action?
[20:07] <Han> with dmesg|tail -n 10 |xsel and shift-insert
[20:12] <psycrafts> i see some network issues after the command
[20:12] <psycrafts> ipv6 and some "non-volatile memory driver"
[20:15] <psycrafts> lol left clicking is not working now but right clicking is ok
[20:16] <psycrafts> [   27.926637] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready
[20:16] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:16] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   29.486060] Non-volatile memory driver v1.3
[20:16] <psycrafts> bash: [: missing `]'
[20:16] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   55.433083] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready
[20:16] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:17] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:17] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   62.234362] wlp3s0: RX AssocResp from 14:cc:20:39:74:b8 (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=2)
[20:17] <psycrafts> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[20:17] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   62.234458] wlp3s0: associated
[20:17] <psycrafts> bash: [: missing `]'
[20:17] <psycrafts> kerem@xenial:~$ [   62.234517] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlp3s0: link becomes ready
[20:18] <teward> !pastebin | psycrafts
[20:18] <psycrafts> pastebin is censored in my country af
[20:19] <k1l_> psycrafts: use termbin.com
[20:19] <k1l_> or any other you like
[20:19] <psycrafts> i'll do it when i get some beers
[20:19] <teward> psycrafts: there's paste.ubuntu.com too ;)  ('pastebin.com' is just one of many pastebin sites)
[20:19] <k1l_> because this is just annoying on irc.
[20:19] <psycrafts> i really wish to trace of the cause of this issue
[20:20] <psycrafts> touchpad works but the usb mouse doesn't also other usb mouses
[20:52] <jonnycoats> Anyone excited for Bash on Windows?
[20:53] <k1l_> jonnycoats: better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[20:53] <jonnycoats> k1l_: Thanks!
[21:13] <MoPac> Hello. I'm experiencing a regression in 16.04 with touchscreen multitouch, but I'm not sure what package to file the bug against, what logs or tests to look at, etc.
[21:14] <MoPac> I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel, since I tried the old 4.2 one and still have the same problem
[21:14] <MoPac> (which is, essentially, that multitouch gestures have stopped working...)
[21:25] <Han> MoPac, which driver is the touchscreen using and what changed recently in that package?
[21:26] <Han> or did is another driver used altogether?
[21:28] <MoPac> Han:   Not sure how to check on what driver is being used
[21:28] <MoPac> (xinput doesn't seem to say exactly)
[21:29] <Han> Isn't it mentioned in the Xorg logfile?
[21:32] <Han> Well mine is.
[21:34] <MoPac> okay, looks like the Xorg log says it's using input driver evdev
[21:36] <Han> and the device name as it is recognised by Xorg should also be there. Is there anything about those 2 in the bug tracker?
[21:37] <Han> Now that you mention it... I noticed 2 finger scrolling didn't work.
[21:37] <vertago1> Anyone figured out how to work around the plasmashell crashes in kubuntu 16.04?
[21:39] <MoPac> Han: Re the bug tracker, I'm not sure exactly which package to be checking. This one seems a bit sparse       https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[21:41] <Han> Can you check the workaround by Michael Wainberg? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1504618
[21:44] <Han> Also check the last comment. Changes are you have to use a different VendorID
[21:45] <Han> *chances
[21:48] <MoPac> Han:   Trying to verify if it could be the same thing (since my touchpad works just fine, and my touchscreen also works fine except for multitouch gestures)
[21:52] <MoPac> Yeah, so my  evdev confs in the X11 confs folder really just have a touchscreen catchall, which is in 10-evdev, and the Xorg log shows that the touchscreen is assigned the "evdev touchscreen catchall" inpt class
[21:55] <Han> cool
[21:57] <MoPac> Han:   I'm finding a version of the Xorg.conf files from a system backup to see if they used to have something better in them
[21:59] <Han> good thinking
[23:04] <bjornar> Hrmm..
[23:04] <bjornar>    24,7MiB [##########]  libicudata.so.55.1