[00:20] well that was interesting [00:20] hehe [00:20] thanks for the help x1l [00:21] np [00:32] How can i upgrade from 14.x LTS to 16.x LTS despite beta [00:32] ? [00:32] Beladona: you need to use the -d for developer switch [00:32] k1l, in which command? [00:33] update-manager or do-release-upgrade [00:33] oh ok [00:34] Beladona: and keep in mind you dont get support in #ubuntu until release. and most PPAs dont work. [00:34] k1l, once the stable release is released, I will auto be upgraded to stable if I just do apt-get upgrade? [00:35] it will become the final release, yes. but you need to run apt full-upgrade to get all updates [00:36] ok. I can run it now too? [00:36] after the do-release thing? [00:36] I wonder whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get full-upgrade [00:37] not apt-get [00:37] I wonder whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt full-upgrade [00:40] http://askubuntu.com/questions/605719/the-difference-between-the-different-apt-upgrade-commands [00:49] thanks === JanC_ is now known as JanC [07:32] !info redshift xenial [07:32] redshift (source: redshift): Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.10-5ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 56 kB, installed size 311 kB [08:14] hi [08:14] i removed network manager on the beta [08:14] and declarated eth0 in etc/network/interfaces [08:15] when i ifup eth0, it says that if cant find eth0, cannot bring up the interface [08:15] s/if/it [08:15] eoli3n: upgrade or clean install? [08:15] clean install [08:15] eoli3n: why removes nm? [08:16] why not [08:16] i prepare the image for 800 clients [08:16] i'm at work [08:16] eoli3n: xenial is still in developing mode right, things can still break in this stage [08:17] eoli3n: you could try to file a bug perhaps? [08:17] seriously... /etc/network/interface declaration is basic network configuration [08:17] if ubuntu depends to network-manager to get network working, i leave [08:18] !info network-manager [08:18] network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.4-0ubuntu10 (xenial), package size 1222 kB, installed size 5408 kB (Only available for linux-any) [08:18] optional [08:54] https://juliank.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/dropping-sha-1-support-in-apt/ [08:54] this is horrible! [08:54] i want to punch this guy in the face ;) [08:59] "Technical restrictions prevent us from just showing a warning in a sensible way." [09:02] so now i can't install hipchat :| [09:07] IIRC sha1 is not safe so I was more surprised to see that it was still in use than the fact they are removing it now [09:08] dpkg -i did the trick [09:08] *not safe for a long time [09:08] i was more offended that there wasn't an option to just ignore that.. ie.. --do-it-anyway [09:09] --allow-unauthenticated only works for installation of packages.. not the update or get package list part [09:11] I see [09:12] part of me thinks.. this *should* hopefully light a firecracker under repo maintainers to update their hashes to something about more secure, more quickly [09:12] rather than.. "oh just use --ignore-any-kind-of-security" [09:12] I guess this is the goal [09:13] we can see that when people are nice, it takes years to migrate stuff (e.g. Python 2 and 3) [10:50] i'm not responsible for the spaghetti code [12:22] Hi folks [12:28] BluesKaj [12:29] hi MonkeyDust [13:15] is there a channel for questions about packaging? === trewas667 is now known as trewas [13:15] clivejo try #ubuntu-app-devel [13:16] clivejo or ask here and wait [13:16] Im trying to use dch but its now behaving how Id expect [13:16] dch? [13:19] Debian change log, IIRC. [13:19] Quite a usefull utility. [14:00] Hey. Happy LTS. [14:01] Is even year and spring. Ist Zeit für LTS release [14:01] The New Kubuntu seems much more responsive [14:02] I heard the 4.4-series kernel has some significant improvement over 4.2-series [14:03] and it just feels so fast [14:03] then again I run JACK sound server on it [14:03] the 15.10 [14:06] The only thing that bugs me in this new system is there is some drawing issue causing black flashes on screens === hasselmm1 is now known as hasselmm [14:33] apt is no longer complaining of weak keys for some Kubuntu PPAs, so this is good. [14:34] the maintainers will have to make new keys/proper signing to get the users rid of that message. [14:34] google will change it on the next chrome release, too, they said in my bug report to them [14:41] Really good idea to make 2 rows of apps in the panel. I like to keep it bigger so I can see the CPU load, speed and and memory usage with numbers and graphics [14:41] hmm.. april fools has started early on slashdot? [14:51] one should be able to select sets of apps from repos [14:52] I tried to dpkg --set-selections route of getting my apps [14:53] but KXStudio repos are not ready for Genial Genux [14:53] so it installed none of the apps.. prlly hit some error rate threshold that says that nothing will be installed [14:56] what is the name of the package of the screen capture program? [14:56] jubo2: kazam is nice [14:57] is btrfs the default filesystem for xenial? [14:57] bjornar__: no [14:57] bjornar__: I like EXT4 [14:57] !btrfs | bjornar__ [14:57] bjornar__: Btrfs is a new filesystem available for Ubuntu. It is currently marked as experimental, and should not be used for important data. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs [14:57] is very nice [14:57] is journaling since version 3 [14:59] In the 90's students needed to write statements and commits... in SQL. Now the filesystem does the same, journaling. [14:59] if statements without commits are found they can be rolled back to previous state [14:59] genial! [15:00] less broken files this way [15:02] yeah, like adding feature was a way to remove bug :) === hasselmm1 is now known as hasselmm [15:07] http://danluu.com/file-consistency/ [15:07] was quite nice to read [17:02] Mikerhinos: i would file a bugreport if the setting doesnt work [17:02] Hi, I'm on Ubuntu Gnome and the mouse button swap (I'm left handed) doesn't work, in the gnome settings panel or dconf editor, I can activate it but it has no effect (still right handed), any idea ? [17:03] Mikerhinos: did you try to logout and in again already? [17:03] Wow, I get an answer before I even asked the question lol, talk about efficiency... :D [17:04] Yeah, actually I'm on it since day 1 (not so along ago lol), and it worked 1 time when using dconf editor for 1st time, but when I rebooted, setting was gone :/ [17:17] MonkeyDust [17:18] MonkeyDust: getting crowdy in discuss :p [17:18] i'm struggling with my tv, sound but no image [17:19] MonkeyDust: brand? [17:20] medion, i guess it's the 'elco', electrolytic something [17:20] MonkeyDust: hmm doesnt sound good [17:21] no [17:21] well, there is sound [17:21] ;) [17:21] MonkeyDust: does it have a chip at the back? [17:24] 'chip' sounds rather vague [17:24] MonkeyDust: yeah i dont know the exact name for it [17:24] MonkeyDust: but you could try to unplug it/re-insert [17:27] done [17:27] no luck? [17:38] is this real? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=105320 [17:39] salamanderrake yes, we had plenty rants about it, today === Nach0z_ is now known as Nach0z [18:39] Hi all, everything's working great so far. :-) [18:40] Han: great to hear mate [18:42] Let's try that new kernel. They always seem to break my wireless with suspend mode [19:01] speaking of wireless, people like me with a RTL81XX chip still needs to compile our own module with https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes , several years later to get it working fine... :/ Why isn't it in the kernel ? :( [19:11] Mikerhinos, is there an open bug for that problem? [19:18] hi there [19:20] i wish to report a strange bug [19:20] i'm also using lots of proprietary software [19:20] Han, how can I check it ? Because I know that I'm far from the only one to own a wifi usb key with that chips, and that bug is present since several years [19:21] on Xenial Xerus atm [19:22] are there people here atm? [19:22] and is this a place where can i report a bug? [19:22] ya never know [19:22] okay [19:23] sometimes left clicking with mouse gone [19:23] there is a bug list check that 1st [19:23] no physical problems with the mouse [19:23] i can't just left click [19:24] i said, this is a strange one [19:24] what can it be related with [19:25] if you can give me some direction i believe i can fix this [19:25] drvier issue, hardware failure [19:25] Mikerhinos, google bugzilla ubuntu ;-) [19:25] which hardware [19:26] cable or button [19:26] no it is fixed when i reboot [19:26] i am doing this off the top of my head ;) [19:26] it shouldn't be hardware stuff [19:26] so driver issue [19:26] most likely [19:26] xinput issue or something other? [19:27] buffer not aligned hardware and software not on same page .... [19:28] okay this is happening while i'm browsing on firefox or using a java application [19:28] very random i can say [19:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLrdgvGJxU this is some music [19:29] maybe low level common issuue or 2 bugs [19:30] or a buffer that is to small ...... [19:30] which bugs can you forward them to me? [19:31] the bugreports [19:31] there is a link i dont have it handy sorry. [19:32] oh man what is everyone doing here? [19:32] waiting for more ontopic things [19:32] like what, please tell me [19:33] i just had lnuch [19:33] the current bugs and fixing them !! [19:35] okay..there may be more serious bugs that i can understand but an unworking left mouse button is quite annoying when it happens [19:35] psycrafts, nice music. [19:35] is there anything i can volunteer to fix things up [19:35] thank you Han ^^ [19:36] i can understand in some extent [19:36] try to character rize the problem more [19:36] then file the report [19:37] psycrafts, officially you should report bugs to bugzilla of course. But this is a great place to help you formulate a proper report. [19:37] is it the place where i can characterize the issue? [19:37] Linux xenial 4.4.0-16-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 24 22:32:30 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux [19:38] i'm using Oracle's java [19:38] it first happened when i was using a java application [19:38] but a couple of hours ago it happened when i was browsing on firefox [19:39] the problem is, left clicking on mouse suddenly brokens [19:39] but the right clicking works [19:40] can you run the application from a terminal, so you can see the console output? [19:40] i can use keyboard shortcuts like alt-f2 so i can open terminal [19:40] only mouse doesn't work when it's broke [19:41] only right click of mouse man first i thought it's a hardware issue but it's not [19:42] how can i trace this when this happens? [19:43] How do you know it's not a hardware issue? [19:43] when i reboot, the problem is gone [19:44] but i didn't tried with different mouses, for real [19:44] Did you check the dmesg? [19:44] ok i will check it now [19:46] You should check the dmesg right after the problem occurs. [19:46] for the mouse or mice? [19:47] i'm really open for suggestions [19:47] which device should i check for when it happens? [19:48] input, mouse, mice? [19:48] or even usb [19:49] If there is a problem which involves the kernel the dmesg messages at the end are relevant. [19:49] if it's not kernel related it may be cause of current xinput drivers [19:50] this is what i foresee [19:50] i'm using mate desktop [19:50] in that case you would not see any kernel messages. You need to eliminate to be sure. [19:51] it may be in some codes of mate-developers [19:52] thank you for caring this stuff [19:52] if this persists badly i'll contact with them [19:52] And if it's an x driver problem you should check the X.org log file. [19:53] i'm using nvidia's prop drivers [19:55] how can i contribute to ubuntu? [19:55] i really want to [19:57] start at main page. documenation, and testing and mainting alway could use more help [20:04] that mouse issue happened now [20:05] i checked some dmesg message how can i paste them without any mouse action? [20:07] with dmesg|tail -n 10 |xsel and shift-insert [20:12] i see some network issues after the command [20:12] ipv6 and some "non-volatile memory driver" [20:15] lol left clicking is not working now but right clicking is ok [20:16] [ 27.926637] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready [20:16] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [20:16] kerem@xenial:~$ [ 29.486060] Non-volatile memory driver v1.3 [20:16] bash: [: missing `]' [20:16] kerem@xenial:~$ [ 55.433083] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready [20:16] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' === cyphase is now known as Guest40233 [20:17] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [20:17] kerem@xenial:~$ [ 62.234362] wlp3s0: RX AssocResp from 14:cc:20:39:74:b8 (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=2) [20:17] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [20:17] kerem@xenial:~$ [ 62.234458] wlp3s0: associated [20:17] bash: [: missing `]' [20:17] kerem@xenial:~$ [ 62.234517] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlp3s0: link becomes ready [20:18] !pastebin | psycrafts [20:18] psycrafts: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [20:18] pastebin is censored in my country af [20:19] psycrafts: use termbin.com [20:19] or any other you like [20:19] i'll do it when i get some beers [20:19] psycrafts: there's paste.ubuntu.com too ;) ('pastebin.com' is just one of many pastebin sites) [20:19] because this is just annoying on irc. [20:19] i really wish to trace of the cause of this issue [20:20] touchpad works but the usb mouse doesn't also other usb mouses [20:52] Anyone excited for Bash on Windows? [20:53] jonnycoats: better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic :) [20:53] k1l_: Thanks! [21:13] Hello. I'm experiencing a regression in 16.04 with touchscreen multitouch, but I'm not sure what package to file the bug against, what logs or tests to look at, etc. [21:14] I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel, since I tried the old 4.2 one and still have the same problem [21:14] (which is, essentially, that multitouch gestures have stopped working...) [21:25] MoPac, which driver is the touchscreen using and what changed recently in that package? [21:26] or did is another driver used altogether? [21:28] Han: Not sure how to check on what driver is being used [21:28] (xinput doesn't seem to say exactly) [21:29] Isn't it mentioned in the Xorg logfile? [21:32] Well mine is. [21:34] okay, looks like the Xorg log says it's using input driver evdev [21:36] and the device name as it is recognised by Xorg should also be there. Is there anything about those 2 in the bug tracker? [21:37] Now that you mention it... I noticed 2 finger scrolling didn't work. [21:37] Anyone figured out how to work around the plasmashell crashes in kubuntu 16.04? [21:39] Han: Re the bug tracker, I'm not sure exactly which package to be checking. This one seems a bit sparse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 [21:41] Can you check the workaround by Michael Wainberg? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1504618 [21:41] Launchpad bug 1550704 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1504618 Type Cover (3) touchpad not working on Surface Pro 3" [High,Confirmed] [21:44] Also check the last comment. Changes are you have to use a different VendorID [21:45] *chances [21:48] Han: Trying to verify if it could be the same thing (since my touchpad works just fine, and my touchscreen also works fine except for multitouch gestures) [21:52] Yeah, so my evdev confs in the X11 confs folder really just have a touchscreen catchall, which is in 10-evdev, and the Xorg log shows that the touchscreen is assigned the "evdev touchscreen catchall" inpt class [21:55] cool [21:57] Han: I'm finding a version of the Xorg.conf files from a system backup to see if they used to have something better in them [21:59] good thinking [23:04] Hrmm.. [23:04] 24,7MiB [##########] libicudata.so.55.1