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clienthello I am trying to install Ubuntu on my Android tablet and I seem to hit a snag when I get to unlocking the device00:43
clientcan anyone help?00:43
lotuspsychje!devices | client00:44
ubot5`client: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices00:44
ecaneshello, could somebody tell me a link where I can to know what can I do and what not whit the Ubuntu mark01:01
lotuspsychjeecanes: mark?01:02
ecaneswith software01:02
ecanesubuntu software01:02
lotuspsychjeecanes: ubuntu touch apps you mean?01:03
ecanesWhat I can do without express authorization ( negotiated ) with the brand "Ubuntu " used with respect to software? URL giving us directions ?01:03
ecanesIs a work for the University and cant find the directions01:09
lotuspsychjeecanes: does your question about ubuntu or ubuntu-touch for mobiles?01:10
Elleoecanes: http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy <-- sounds like this is what you're looking for01:10
lotuspsychjeElleo: nice find! +101:11
ecanesTks Elleo and lotuspsychje by the answer01:12
Elleono problem :)01:12
ecaneswhere can I put  your +1?01:12
ecanesbye01:12
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rgb-oneHey02:07
rgb-oneHow does the Ubuntu Touch approach mobile security?02:07
swalladgeis it possible to run another desktop environment with ubuntu-touch?02:19
lotuspsychjeswalladge: yes there are multirom tools out there02:20
lotuspsychjeto dual/triple/.. android, ubuntu-touch etc02:20
swalladgenot multirom, i mean start ubuntu-touch, login and start i302:20
lotuspsychjeswalladge: no thats not possible02:20
swalladge:(02:20
lotuspsychjeswalladge: but never say never right...02:21
lotuspsychjeswalladge: who knows what the future will bring02:21
swalladgeyeah i've been looking at ubuntu-touch for a while and was excited thinking it was full linux with the converged desktop, but it seems it's taken the locked down approach of ios/android for sandboxed apps, won't work with x11 apps, readonly system by default :\02:23
swalladgemy search continues....02:24
lotuspsychjeswalladge: why not install ubuntu-desktop on a touch based laptop then02:25
lotuspsychjeswalladge: 16.04 will be able to install unity8 also02:25
lotuspsychjeswalladge: then install i3, logout and start :p02:25
swalladgeyeah that would work - i'm looking for something to be running on a tablet though02:26
swalladgeunfortunately most tablets are android based and you can't just install linux - it has to be through flashing and roms and all that02:26
lotuspsychjeswalladge: maybe a good idea to ask the #i3 guys first how touch support is like from there02:26
swalladgetouch support isn't the problem ;) i want to get a base system installed first02:27
swalladgei've heard micro$oft tablets can have linux installed...02:27
swalladgehmm02:27
lotuspsychjeswalladge: yes, most tablets that have win8 on them, ubuntu-desktop can probaly install too02:27
lotuspsychjeswalladge: 16.04 will be very interesting mixing unity7 and unity802:28
lotuspsychjeswalladge: so on a regular tablet, you will have the ubuntu-touch feeling with unity802:30
swalladgeso what i'm still not sure about - when you plug in an external monitor to an ubuntu-touch phone, and it becomes that full desktop, can you then use/install desktop apps? or is it still limited to the qml android02:30
swalladge-like apps?02:30
lotuspsychjeswalladge: didnt test convergence myself yet02:30
swalladgemaybe i should just get myself a ubuntu phone/tablet and see how it gois02:31
lotuspsychjeswalladge:  i have the Bq 4.5 phone and a nexus7 tablet both running touch02:31
lotuspsychjeswalladge: but the new m10 tablet from bq might rocknroll :p02:32
swalladge:)02:32
lotuspsychjeswalladge: i tested unity8 on my ubuntu-desktop pc already and lookin neat02:34
lotuspsychjeswalladge: so now its wait for final to see what it will bring us02:34
p1und3rhello all, i am curious if it is possible to use ubuntu sdk to develop cross platform for ubuntu touch/ios/android all from the re-branded qtcreator called "Ubuntu SDK"03:45
lpotteryou might have to manually add the android/ios kits/compilers04:29
p1und3rlpotter: ok ty04:37
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mike00hi06:55
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MasseRHey, I was trying to build some of the ubuntu-touch applications (namely ureader), but they seem to use QtQuick 2.4, but ubuntu-sdk installs QtQuick 2.0. I'm on 14.04. I found ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-* from the same ppa, which seemed promising, but at least just installing them didn't seem to help08:10
MasseRSo.. it seems to do something with schroot. I tried entering the click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-i386 chroot to find ubuntu-sdk is not installed there (not sure if it is even supposed to), nor can I install it there because 404 not found on some packages08:28
MasseRnevermind on the 404, some hitch with internet08:32
mariogripWhy haven't i found this before, this is gold! https://uappexplorer.com/app/blamepopey.nskaggs popey08:32
mariogrippopey: also, great wifi names you got there :P https://youtu.be/WD_MrQAvAvY?t=42m4s08:34
popey:)08:35
popeythe rude one isnt mine!08:35
mariogriplol :P08:35
mariogrippopey: do you have a link to the screencast script (there was no link on youtube)08:38
popeymariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15558153/08:47
mariogrippopey: thanks :)08:48
popeynp08:48
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MasseRAlso, I have a feeling that the html5-youtube (webapp or browser) doesn't use as high quality as it could09:22
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MasseRGot ubuntu-sdk with click somehow installed. It now generates projects with QtQuick 2.4, but complains about not having 2.4 installed when trying to run. If I try to select one of the 15.04 environments, it complains about device not existing. If I try to create a device it waits a bit and then does 'nothing'10:57
Moehey everyone11:13
MoeI was wondering .. does anybody know what type of bluetooth keyboard and mouse are used for the Ubuntu tablet presentation on ubuntu.com/tablet ?11:13
popeyMoe: looks like http://www.amazon.co.uk/OMOTON-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Devices/dp/B019O1WSL4 to me11:29
MasseRNow ubuntu-sdk has been creating an emulator for something like 30 minutes11:32
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MasseRas much as I want to like ubuntu on a tablet/phone, this just seems .. broken11:38
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MasseRWish it at least logged something somewhere11:42
MasseRAnd I'm pretty sure it isn't doing anything11:46
MasseRqtcreator has negligible cpu usage, there is next to none io-traffic on hard drives11:46
MasseRyeah ... not sure what to try next11:47
MasseRWhere does it try to save the emulators?11:51
MasseRoh well .. fudge11:52
MasseRI opened ubuntu-sdk from terminal11:52
MasseRand it tried asking me for a password in the terminal11:52
MasseRnow it's doing something11:52
Moepopey: I see .. it doesn't seem to be the same model though, the keys are different11:53
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popeyMoe: tbh you could use any generic bluetooth keyboard really12:04
MoeSure, of course .. I was just wondering about the brand/model of the devices shown in the ad12:04
popeyah okay12:05
popeyit looks _very_ similar to the one I linked to12:05
popeyperhaps it's just an older / newer model12:05
popeythere's a bunch on amazon12:06
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jgdxtimp, hey, I'm seeing a crash pressing the back button of a PageHeader that doesn't specify leadingActions. I'm a bit baffled by it12:11
Moepopey: True, I think it'd do just fine .. I was just curious12:14
MoeThe mouse I have found under a different brand name already ..12:15
timpjgdx: do you have a log of the crash?12:24
timpjgdx: are you using AdaptivePageLayout?12:24
Moepopey: Also, I would've expected Ubuntu to kind of "endorse" a brand for accessories (at least for the very beginning), but to no avail12:25
* ogra_ guesses the logitech k480 would be among them :)12:27
MoeIt's said be pretty good, you're right12:27
MoeThe K810 is impressive as well12:27
jgdxtimp, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15559131/ and no, but it's really specific. Only happens when I'm using a Page from another plugin which then defines header: PageHeader { title: i18n.dtr("local-domain", "string") }12:28
timpjgdx: where does the back button come from?12:29
timpit should come from a PageStack or AdaptivePageLayout12:29
jgdxtimp, the page is pushed onto a PageStack, but I'm not defining any back button explicitly12:30
timpjgdx: does your app have a BottomEdge?12:33
jgdxtimp, no12:34
timpjgdx: ok. I have a meeting now but I'll have a look at your pastebin when it is done.12:34
jgdxtimp, cheers12:35
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timpjgdx: I haven't seen that before12:59
timpjgdx: what's on  /home/jonas/Work/Canonical/SystemSettings/wd/src/main.cpp line 100?12:59
jgdxtimp, app.exec()13:00
jgdxmaybe there's an ownership issue here since it requires a page from an import13:01
timpjgdx: do you think it is possible to create a small test program to reproduce the crash?13:01
jgdxtimp, yeah, I think so13:01
timpjgdx: ok, that would be great13:02
timpjgdx: if you can report a bug and attach the test program, I'll have a look at that13:02
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kenvandineMirv, i have a question about QStorageInfo::mountedVolumes on the device13:28
kenvandineon the device it returns much more than mounted volumes, i think it's returning every directory13:28
kenvandineor maybe even file, on krillin it returns 490013:28
kenvandineon the desktop it actually only returns mounted file systems13:29
kenvandineMirv, is there something in our QPA plugin that affects this?13:29
kenvandineMirv, and if so, do you know what source i should look at?13:29
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Mirvkenvandine: our plugins are qtmir and qtubuntu, but no I don't think they have anything that could affect it. I thought u-s-s was successfully using mountedVolumes before though? https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-storage-page/+merge/25011913:44
Mirvit comes from http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/plain/src/corelib/io/qstorageinfo_unix.cpp?h=5.413:45
jgdxtimp, sure, not sure when though. Thanks13:50
kenvandineMirv, we are using it, but it's really slow13:54
kenvandinebecause mountedVolumes returns 4900 volumes that we have to iterate over13:55
kenvandineMirv, i had looked at that, and it doesn't make sense to me that it would behave differently on the device13:57
kenvandineMirv, /etc/mtab has 76 lines but mountedVolumes is returning 4900... something's wrong :)13:59
MasseR~7h on and off testing of the sdk. So far I've gotten emulator running but no software on it14:07
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tathhu14:39
tathhuwoops14:39
touchyhi....14:46
touchycan't seem to find any answers on google xda-developers or youtube....14:46
touchyis there a more recent build for Ubuntu Phone  for Nexus 5?14:46
ogra_ubports.com should have the last ... you want the rc-proposed channel for the very latest14:47
touchyi'm annoyed with android actually14:49
touchysaw a youtube review of Ubuntu Phone 16 for nexus 5..... loved the fact that it had a full core ubuntu with apt14:50
touchy:)14:50
mcphailtouchy: using apt isn't encouraged or supported on the phone14:50
touchywhy not14:51
touchyi need to use the command line a lot14:51
mcphailtouchy: different way of doing things, so the phone can get well tested OTA updates. You can use command line tools, but are encouraged to install extra apps in a chroot on the device14:52
touchywould be great to have telegram messenger on it :)14:53
mcphailtouchy: there is a telegram app installed by default. I don't use it, so no idea if it works14:54
touchywell, i shall let you all know :)14:55
V996:50  touchy saw a youtube review of Ubuntu Phone 16 for nexus 5..... loved the fact that it had a full core ubuntu with apt14:56
V9916:50  touchy :)14:56
V996:50  touchy saw a youtube review of Ubuntu Phone 16 for nexus 5..... loved the fact that it had a full core ubuntu with apt14:56
V9916:50  touchy :)14:56
V99where is the video?14:56
touchyyou want me to search youtube for you for  "nexus 5 ubuntu phone" ?14:56
touchy:P14:57
touchyhttps://devices.ubports.com/#/hammerhead14:57
touchylooking on the hardware list there of things working and not working..... see no mention of NFC14:58
touchythat's odd14:58
ogra_there would be no API on the ubuntu side, even if the HW worked14:58
touchywhy not?14:59
ogra_because it isnt implemented in the ubuntu SDK yet14:59
touchyit should be14:59
touchylol14:59
ogra_well, patches accepted14:59
ogra_dont hold back ;)15:00
touchyi don't do low-level stuff unless it's on ATmel architecture ...15:00
touchy:P15:00
SnoopyDogehi everyone, just flashed ubuntu-touch dev version (newest) to my oneplus one with multirom, but when i try to boot to it, it just give me oneplus logo and nothing happens, little while later brings back to multirom boot-option.15:00
touchycall me picky ^__^15:00
touchythat means your flash failed15:00
ogra_SnoopyDoge, dont use devel ... it isnt supposed to be booting or working or anything15:00
touchysomething went wrong15:00
SnoopyDogeoh15:00
ogra_SnoopyDoge, you want rc-proposed ... thats the actual devel channel15:00
SnoopyDogeand that suppose to work? rc-prposed?15:01
ogra_yes15:01
ogra_thats the daily build that becomes "stable" after QA tested it15:02
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SnoopyDogeogra_ okay, ill try newe install :)15:02
ogra_(you can indeed alos just go for the stable channel if you prefer ... just dont use anything with devel in the name )15:02
dobeyproblems with multirom are probably more related to the version of android you have15:03
dobeytouchy: you don't want to make / writable and use apt though, if that's what you're doing15:03
dobeytouchy: and telegram is in the app store. just install it15:04
touchyactually, there is some software that i need to use on my phone ..as i use it daily ....15:04
touchySqlmap, and Nmap15:05
dobeytouchy: if you need to install things via apt, use a chroot15:05
dobeytouchy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#62331115:05
botushi there. is it possible to install ubuntu touch on a laptop with touch and work from there?15:07
touchyit should be15:08
botusi think so to. but do you know if it is a way alrady or do i need to reinvent the wheel? x)15:10
touchygrab the sources ...compile on an X64 system...15:10
touchy:)15:10
SnoopyDogeogra_: that rc-propoced didn't work neither, is it so that multirom and ubuntu touch doesn't work if you have android 6.0.1 (CM13 stable edition)15:13
dobeybotus: not exactly15:13
touchyhave you tried not using multirom ?15:13
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mcphailbotus: you can install unity8 on a laptop, which will have a similar feel to ubuntu on a phone or tablet. But it isn't so simple to get a full "ubuntu touch" installation15:14
dobeySnoopyDoge: yes, android 6 made some things more incompatible15:14
SnoopyDogedobey, okay, i wait a little and try again later when it's more stable with android 6.015:15
dobeySnoopyDoge: or just go ubuntu only :)15:15
SnoopyDogedobey no, i want primary rom to be stable, and i read that ubuntu is not fully stable with oneplus one15:16
dobeySnoopyDoge: how are you defining stable? afaik it is stable on opo, there is just some bits which don't work work fully, like on nexus 515:17
touchystable as in...   bipolar ;)15:18
dobeyi've been using only ubuntu on my nexus 5 for like 2 years15:18
SnoopyDogehmm, headphones don't work, bluethoot doesn't work, camera doesn't work?15:18
touchymaybe the instability is due to the oneplus phone having a chinese backdoored  GSM firmware15:19
dobeyoh, i didn't realize headphones didn't work15:20
SnoopyDogeubports wiki says so15:21
dobeyok15:21
SnoopyDogehow about applications to ubuntu touch?15:21
touchyand george bush said : "read my lips"15:21
touchyHAHA :P15:21
SnoopyDogeis there many?15:22
dobeysure there are many apps15:22
dobeywhether they are the ones you want though, i can't answer15:22
SnoopyDogei mean like facebook, whatsapp,  9gag etc etc15:22
SnoopyDoge"normal" apps15:22
dobeyno whatsapp15:22
SnoopyDogebig minus :(15:23
dobeywhat's normal for you isn't normal for everyone15:23
dobeyi don't use any of those, for example15:23
* ogra_ neither15:23
SnoopyDogei use, thats why asking ^^15:23
touchyi prefer a phone with a removed GSM firmware15:23
dobeytouchy: so don't buy a phone then15:24
ogra_you prefer a phone that cant do calls ?15:24
dobeyor data15:24
ogra_get a very small tablet then :)15:24
touchyi didn't say data15:24
SnoopyDogethat is the most reason why i want primary rom to be android, and stable15:24
dobeyyes you did15:24
touchywifi + bluetooth15:24
touchyi said a removed GSM firmware15:24
dobeylol, because those chips didn't come from china, but the rest of the SoC did?15:24
dobeyanyway, whatever, time to get lunch15:25
touchyhaving a physical proxy between the GSM network and your device is the best way to keep a lot of phones from being backdoored within the first 2 minutes on a GSM network15:26
touchyi have a 4G pocket router that i use for that purpose15:26
touchyeven if the pocket router gets exploited, the only weird way to exploit the phone would be through OOB (out of band) wifi (aka low-level) attacks15:28
* ogra_ wonders what anyone would gain backdooring via GSM into an ubuntu phone ... given the drivers are totally sandboxed15:29
ogra_all you could do is look around inside that container ... wouldnt gaet you any user related bits ...15:29
ogra_*get15:30
touchyLOL15:30
touchywe're from two very different wrolds15:30
touchyGSM radio runs with root access15:31
ogra_dunno, i was serious, what would such a backdoor gain you ?15:31
touchyit's not usermode15:31
ogra_yeah15:31
touchyah..well..15:31
ogra_root of a container that has about 100MB of binaires and no users15:31
touchydepends on which apps you use and what websites you visit i suppose....and your location15:32
ogra_there is no way for you to get to any user data outside of the container15:32
touchyallthat fun stuff that turns the smartphone into a fun spy device15:32
ogra_and no, you wont find a way to do it through apps since you cant even see any apps from the container15:32
touchynot sure exactly how the RIL is setup in ubuntu phone15:32
touchybut since it uses an android kernel (or so i read) ...there are bad things that can happen15:33
ogra_and even if you could the ubuntu security conceopt would only get you into another "container" (the confined app space) which only allows you to see data of the app but nothing else15:33
ogra_this isnt android ...15:33
touchyas far as i know the GSM modem runs in Kernel Mode15:33
ogra_fine for it15:33
ogra_you still wont access anything from it15:33
touchyanything with kernel mode access can access everything. this is my point15:34
touchyfrom a low level , obviously15:34
ogra_not really, unless you overcome apparmor and seccomp15:34
ogra_you would need a very very buggy kernel for that ...15:35
touchystranger things have happened15:35
touchy:P15:35
ogra_(and the ubuntu phone kernel is properly maintained ...)15:35
touchylike apple's encryption being subverted this week... LOL15:35
ogra_(including regular security reviews)15:35
touchythat's good to hear :)15:36
ogra_and while it is based on an android source tree (it has to because there are binary drivers) it is in no way comparable to the binary android kernel the device would be shipping with when running android15:37
Silver^Hi there, Was wondering if someone could tell me the diffrence between Aquarius M10 FHD vs Aquarius M10 HD, cant compare them on the store site, Also do you know if MediaTek released sources for their MT8163A, they been very bad complying with GPL licenses previously15:38
touchyso... monitor mode on the BCM wifi chipset should actually work?15:38
ogra_Silver^, well, obviously one does 1080p and the other does 720p ... the 1080p has a slightly higher clocked SoC15:39
ogra_(this is where my knowledge ends though :) )15:39
touchyi like to be aware when some random skiddy is sending  Deauth packets or Deauth Broadcast packets on wifi15:40
touchylol15:40
touchybtw, has anyone tried ubuntu phone on a Nexus 5?15:45
Silver^touchy: yes, quite long ago tho15:46
MasseRDamn, disappointed that gps doesnt work on nexus 715:49
touchybtw, another interesting thing is i currently live in china...15:51
touchyso when china's 0day payloads stop working... apparently they have scripts that keep trying them15:51
touchylol15:51
touchythey still don't work...15:53
touchybut it drains the battery pretty quick15:53
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MasseROh yeah, forgot to ask. Are you supposed to be able to rotate to portrait mode on the home screen and/or lock screen?16:14
pmcgowanMasseR, nope16:20
MasseRah ok16:20
Guest18280Hi all, I have a BQ Aquarius 4.5 and am loving it... However, im desperately trying to find a way to update the hosts file on it using the method described here : http://www.putorius.net/2012/01/block-unwanted-advertisements-on.html im trying it on desktop ubuntu first but it doesnt seem to be working, where could I go to suggest the development of an app or script be developed to do this as my linux knowledge is too16:24
Guest18280 poor at the moment to figure out myself16:24
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sakrecoeri hade this funky idea for an application. maybe it exists?i'll just put it out here since i lack most of knowledge riquired to do it...17:27
sakrecoera ehm.. freestagram, adressed to people who run a server/VPS.17:28
sakrecoerbasically, you share a photo to the app, and the app generates an html page for the photo, updates an index.html and an rss of all photos while integrating an RSS reader.17:28
sakrecoerand uploads everything to the given folder with scp...17:28
mariogripmhall119: ping?17:37
MasseRdamn, can't get the emulator to start on my home system at all now :/17:50
MasseRfailed to start user service: unknown unit: user@32011.service17:50
dobeymariogrip: oh, do you know what change is needed for the new installer splash? on my nexus5 it still has the old installer splash when flashing rc-proposed17:53
mariogripdobey: installer splash?17:54
mariogripdo you mean the first time setup thing?17:54
mariogripif yes, isn't that just in xenial atm?17:55
dobeymariogrip: yeah. on my mako it is the same as the bootsplash but with a progress bar instead of dots now. but on my n5 it's still the old spinny thing17:55
dobeymariogrip: no, it's on rc-proposed17:55
dobeymariogrip: afaik, there's nothing specific to xenial, other than a lack of testing17:55
mariogripoh, on the recovery?17:55
dobeyand most things not working17:55
dobeyi guess17:55
dobeyi don't know enough technically about it17:56
mariogripI haven't updated that, i need to do that manually17:56
dobeyah ok17:56
dobeywould be nice to have that done before the ota10 image is released, so people on ubports phones get it too :)17:57
mariogripdobey: jup, will add to my todo list17:57
dobeymariogrip: awesome, thanks :)17:58
mariogripdobey: I thought you was thinking about this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Convergence.jpg and i think that's only on xenial if im not wrong17:59
mariogripmhall119: have you forgot me?17:59
dobeymariogrip: no, that's the first setup wizard i guess, and it wouldn't be only on xenial either17:59
mariogripoh ok18:00
dobeymariogrip: i'm talking about the first screen you see immediately after the first reboot immediately after flashing a new image18:01
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dobeythe one right after the google logo18:01
mariogripdobey: yeah, that's the recovery18:02
dobeythe rotating ubuntu logo18:02
dobeyok18:02
mhall119mariogrip: sorry, got carried away with lunch18:05
mhall119mariogrip: do we have anything new to talk about? I still don't have the new device, have you made any progress with yours?18:06
mariogripmhall119: did you talk with the fp devs about a call=18:06
mariogripim in the chat if u want to join18:06
MasseRAlright, let's do another clean install and see if it hels18:28
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MasseRohhh.. a little bit more success. Still errors in the log, but at least I'm getting the ubuntu touch dots on the emulator18:39
MasseRThis is slower than before.. I wonder if it's using qemu instead of kvm on the background18:47
dobeyare you not using the x86 image?18:51
MasseRYeah. But I hadn't enabled virtualization from bios.19:01
MasseROnly one of my dozens of problems with ubuntu-sdk today :)19:03
MasseRAssuming I'm creating a software of some kind. I would like to test it by myself before. I can start the application from ubuntu-sdk, but can I somehow install it to the device?19:29
dobeyif the device is registered in the sdk, there is a "Deploy to device" feature19:31
MasseRlet's see, where's my usb cablse19:37
MasseRhah, success19:43
MasseRthank you19:45
MasseRI'm using ubuntu-sdk-15.04 framework, straight from 'create new project'19:54
MasseRIf I try to run it in the emulator, I get 'Module "Ubuntu.Components" version 1.3 is not installed'19:54
pmcgowan1.3 is in the latest 15.04.4 framework19:55
pmcgowannot sure if thats the issue19:55
pmcgowanthere is also the #ubuntu-app-devel channel but its a bit quiet right now MasseR19:56
MasseRis it packaged inside the click target (as in the application should be self-contained), or does it have to exist in the channel19:56
pmcgowanits on the image19:58
pmcgowannot in the click19:58
MasseRthanks19:58
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