diddledan | doobley do | 01:17 |
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* diddledan fancies some cheese | 01:17 | |
* diddledan wanders off to get some cheese | 01:18 | |
* diddledan returns with some cheese | 01:19 | |
diddledan | gotta love some cheese | 01:20 |
daftykins | mmhmm | 01:20 |
* zmoylan-pi breaks out the crackers | 01:28 | |
daftykins | oh, no, diddledan has plenty of that ;D | 01:29 |
diddledan | crackers? I don't mind if I do! blablabloowoooweeeblablathrupt | 01:33 |
diddledan | (no that's not a modem!) | 01:34 |
* zmoylan-pi opens a different pack of crackers for those that don't want pre dribbled ones... | 01:34 | |
diddledan | dribbledan? | 01:34 |
daftykins | is it "our jobs to anyone not technically inclined" ? | 01:34 |
zmoylan-pi | i hope jupiter is insured... http://boingboing.net/2016/03/29/something-may-have-just-struck.html | 01:42 |
diddledan | someone is bombarding it with a mass driver | 02:01 |
diddledan | oh dear, I just blogged for the first time in forever | 04:07 |
brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 06:24 |
MooDoo | morning all | 06:47 |
brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 06:53 |
MooDoo | how are you brobostigon | 06:53 |
brobostigon | not bad, and you? | 06:54 |
MooDoo | it's hump day so can't complain | 06:55 |
brobostigon | :) | 06:55 |
MooDoo | off to the nottingham forest football ground tonight....football is the one where you use a cue right? | 07:37 |
MooDoo | finally you can have unity launcher at the bottom :D | 08:35 |
MooDoo | and you know what? not sure if i like it lol :) | 08:36 |
SuperMatt | hahah | 08:37 |
MooDoo | :) | 08:37 |
SuperMatt | MooDoo: is it easy to enable? | 09:00 |
popey | gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom | 09:02 |
popey | gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Left | 09:02 |
popey | SuperMatt: ^ | 09:02 |
SuperMatt | ah yes, I see | 09:03 |
SuperMatt | very easy | 09:03 |
mapps | does everyone do coke in gib? what going on | 09:06 |
mapps | its an absolute joke | 09:06 |
mapps | 3 guys in a toilet at brunos.....that says it all | 09:07 |
mapps | i was prob the oldest person in brunos | 09:08 |
SuperMatt | when a night's worth of coke can be cheaper than beer, it's not surprise | 09:08 |
mapps | its all free for me;p | 09:08 |
mapps | i put my drinks on tab | 09:08 |
mapps | lol | 09:08 |
SuperMatt | was this a company tab? | 09:12 |
mapps | no mine | 09:13 |
mapps | i go there 3-5xa week | 09:14 |
mapps | by where i work | 09:14 |
SuperMatt | right, but you do intend to pay this tab right? It's not free... | 09:14 |
mapps | yyes, free for now | 09:15 |
mapps | i pay every month | 09:15 |
SuperMatt | oh good | 09:16 |
SuperMatt | I just wouldn't fall in to the trap of convincing yourself it's free | 09:16 |
JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! 😃 | 09:21 |
MooDoo | morning JamesTait | 09:22 |
JamesTait | 👋 MooDoo | 09:23 |
MooDoo | seen this ? http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/ | 09:43 |
popey | Oooh! The "Microsoft are buying Canonical" rumour has been kicked off again | 09:46 |
MooDoo | it wasn't that bad popey ;) | 09:47 |
foobarry | not surprising given the public relationship canonical and MS are having | 10:07 |
awilkins | Anyone here claimed PPI? | 11:20 |
DJones | Yay, back home at last | 11:27 |
TwistedLucidity | awilkins: Considered it, but not done it yet | 11:34 |
Myrtti | awilkins: a friend works in a bank and all you need is in theory your name, but more information you can give them helps them. If it's about a joint mortgage or loan, then complain together so it'll be researched properly. Banks should have forms on their sites to fill up, or you can write a letter yourself. | 11:39 |
Myrtti | (I've got nothing to my own name in UK but have followed up some discussions) | 11:39 |
MooDoo | awilkins: yeah wife has | 11:53 |
awilkins | I've got a form from the FCA I'm filling in | 11:54 |
awilkins | Basically an endowment plan with a "Critical illness cover" | 11:54 |
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TwistedLucidity | awilkins: My endowment claim went nowhere. Gutted | 13:08 |
TwistedLucidity | Be lucky if it covers ~50% of what it was supposed to (high risk investment when I'd asked for low) | 13:09 |
TwistedLucidity | Endowment company ignored letters, FCA (or whatever it was called back then) said they could not help | 13:10 |
diddledan | wow, MooDoo , popey , that's some serious leaping to conclusions based on the name of a single dll file. | 13:13 |
popey | wat wat? | 13:14 |
diddledan | popey: the Microsoft/canonical article that MooDoo posted at 10:32 | 13:14 |
diddledan | 10:43 | 13:14 |
popey | oh | 13:14 |
popey | yeah, fun | 13:14 |
diddledan | the file is lxss.dll obviously that means Linux.... | 13:15 |
MooDoo | oh that was old news, i thought it was about the getting ubuntu running on windows 10 article | 13:15 |
diddledan | MooDoo: it's the same story | 13:16 |
MooDoo | think it's being announce at build 2016, but i'll believe it when i see it | 13:16 |
MooDoo | diddledan: ah! doh! | 13:16 |
MooDoo | diddledan: I'm sure popey wouldn't mind working for Microsoft any way ;) | 13:17 |
diddledan | MooDoo: the article you posted links to another at winbeta that talks of lxss.dll meaning that Linux is coming to windows | 13:17 |
MooDoo | right | 13:17 |
diddledan | lxss obviously means Linux subsystem.... there's no other reason for l and x to appear together | 13:18 |
diddledan | </troll> | 13:18 |
ndf | ... totally right though | 13:18 |
ndf | lol | 13:18 |
ndf | I may be missing the joke here but isn't Microsoft really trying to run Adnroid apps on Windows and vice versa? | 13:21 |
diddledan | they abandoned the android bridge | 13:22 |
ndf | oh | 13:22 |
ndf | why is that? I was under the impression that it would have been a simpler system to implement than cygwin or whatever | 13:24 |
popey | diddledan: MooDoo I can't see MS "buying" Canonical | 13:26 |
diddledan | I don't think canonical would agree anyway | 13:26 |
ndf | unfortunately in business you don't have to 'agree' to be bought | 13:26 |
diddledan | at least I would hope Jane would refuse such a purchase | 13:26 |
popey | Sure you do | 13:27 |
popey | We're a privately held company | 13:27 |
ndf | I meant once there's public shares involved, anyway | 13:28 |
diddledan | yeah, hostile takeovers can only occur with public stock where there's the possibility of one entity buying themselves a majority share - of course if Mark owned 51% of the shares of a theoretical public canonical then that would be impossible anyway | 13:29 |
ndf | ah yeah i see | 13:30 |
diddledan | (yey for GCSE business studies :-p) | 13:32 |
ndf | haha I actually got a B in BS, but I have forgotten a fair bit | 13:33 |
diddledan | ditto on the forgotten, and I think I got C | 13:33 |
diddledan | BS = Bull Poo | 13:33 |
diddledan | :-p | 13:33 |
ndf | hah yea | 13:34 |
ndf | ooh phone call | 13:34 |
diddledan | yey | 13:34 |
ndf | mmmm buds are in lol back soon | 13:34 |
knightwise | yezzz :) ` | 13:40 |
knightwise | removed Windows 10 from my Acer revo, reinstalled 14.04 , its runnign smoothly :) | 13:40 |
MooDoo | windows 10 runs quite smooth on my dell, i only removed it as my AV license is due to expire and i don't want to pay out £50 :D | 13:41 |
MooDoo | and i don't like the other free ones | 13:41 |
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knightwise | MooDoo: the machine is mostly used as a file server and a plex server | 13:52 |
knightwise | win10 ran fine indeed (Im also running it on my surface pro) | 13:52 |
MooDoo | :) | 13:52 |
diddledan | I'm currently in win10 | 13:53 |
diddledan | I hop back and forth between 10 and buntu every other day :-p | 13:53 |
MooDoo | I remove it from my laptop, now i'm running ubuntu LTS | 13:53 |
MooDoo | well the beta | 13:54 |
MooDoo | tried moving ubuntu to the bottom, didn't like it lol | 13:54 |
MooDoo | unity launcher i meant lol | 13:54 |
diddledan | yeah, 16.04 is close enough now that it's fairly stable | 13:54 |
MooDoo | works for me :) virtualbox couple of vms sweet | 13:55 |
MooDoo | i prefer command line stuff so command line music player as well :D | 13:55 |
knightwise | same here :) | 13:56 |
knightwise | ranger + vms | 13:56 |
knightwise | diddledan: thought about cramming 16.04 on the machine but since its our main entertainment center (plex) i had to be sure it was rocksolid | 13:57 |
diddledan | I hear that! | 13:57 |
diddledan | also, plex ftw | 13:58 |
MooDoo | knightwise: i use moc as my music player :) | 13:58 |
ndf | MooDoo: what currency is lb? or was that supposed to be a pound? (I understand the origins of lb ;P ) | 14:22 |
ndf | I read it as 50lbs as a weight | 14:23 |
ndf | lol | 14:23 |
ndf | let me know if you find an AV that takes subscription payments in weights of meat | 14:23 |
MooDoo | lol what ever i put i meant £50 | 14:31 |
ndf | yeah but what do you mean, £50? | 14:33 |
ndf | what is lb? | 14:33 |
MooDoo | oh don't you see the currency symbol for sterling / money / pounds MONEY | 14:37 |
MooDoo | 50 quid | 14:37 |
ndf | i'm seeing lb, not £ | 14:39 |
ndf | you're typing lb | 14:39 |
ndf | not £ | 14:39 |
MooDoo | no i'm typing the symbol £ maybe it's irssi showing it wrong | 14:40 |
ndf | "15:40 < MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol lb maybe it's irssi showing it wrong" | 14:40 |
ndf | >the symbol lb | 14:40 |
ndf | I think it's your input - I'm on irssi and having no trouble seeing my '£' symbol | 14:41 |
MooDoo | i'm on irssi too :) | 14:41 |
ndf | then are you seeing me saying 'lb' instead of '£'? | 14:41 |
MooDoo | HAY ALL What you seeing when I type £ ? | 14:41 |
Myrtti | £ sign | 14:42 |
Myrtti | :-P | 14:42 |
ndf | "15:42 < Myrtti> lb sign" | 14:42 |
ndf | is what I'm seeing on you too | 14:42 |
ndf | is that a joke? | 14:43 |
ndf | lol | 14:43 |
Myrtti | then you might have your UTF8 settings wrong | 14:43 |
ndf | ... but I'm seeing my own '£' | 14:43 |
ndf | just not yours | 14:43 |
Myrtti | well, I'm seeing yours and my own | 14:43 |
ndf | admittedly I am running irssi-win so it's on cygwin in cmd | 14:43 |
Myrtti | there you go then. | 14:43 |
Myrtti | irssi on cygwin is an unholy mess | 14:44 |
ndf | but if it was a UTF problem, wouldn't I just be seeing an unrecognised char rather than the two ascii chars for 'l', and 'b'? | 14:44 |
ndf | ascii 'lb' != UTF-8 '£' | 14:44 |
Myrtti | hence the word 'might' | 14:45 |
ndf | well this is all sorts of borked | 14:45 |
Myrtti | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 14:45 |
ndf | it's offending my mind | 14:45 |
MooDoo | Myrtti: you shruggin ;) | 14:45 |
Myrtti | yup | 14:45 |
MooDoo | :) | 14:45 |
ndf | I'm just seeing escape codes in that, I don't know if they're translating on your end but they're not here | 14:46 |
MooDoo | looks fine to me :) | 14:46 |
ndf | ohrly | 14:46 |
* ndf hears a joke whooshing over his head | 14:47 | |
Myrtti | https://imgur.com/JbgQ2wB | 14:48 |
ndf | well holy crap | 14:48 |
ndf | hah | 14:48 |
MooDoo | :) | 14:49 |
MooDoo | Myrtti: are your times stardate or something? ;) | 14:49 |
Myrtti | UTC | 14:49 |
ndf | haha | 14:49 |
MooDoo | oh doh of course, silly me | 14:49 |
Myrtti | makes my life easier when discussing logs with the rest | 14:49 |
ndf | well I can't beleive I've never had a conversation containing a £ or other UTF symbols before.. surprised I've not noticed that before. | 14:56 |
Myrtti | just out of interest | 14:57 |
Myrtti | how does äö display to you? | 14:57 |
ndf | 15:57 < Myrtti> how does "a"o display to you? | 14:57 |
ndf | do you have that in ascii? what was it? | 14:57 |
ndf | lol | 14:57 |
ndf | ... or another screeny? | 14:58 |
Myrtti | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%84 | 14:58 |
Myrtti | lowercase a and o with diaresis | 14:58 |
ndf | haha so apparently prefixing with " is as good as an umlaut/diaresis | 14:59 |
ndf | this conversion must be coded by irssi or cygwin, I can't imagine cmd having that sort of switching for unrecognised symbols | 15:00 |
ndf | cmd usually just doesn't print them or let you paste them in | 15:01 |
ndf | in fact | 15:01 |
ndf | I can't even paste in the dotted A from wikipedia | 15:01 |
ndf | into here | 15:01 |
ali1234 | cygwin comes with it's own terminal emulator because command.com is awful | 15:02 |
ndf | irssi is packaged with a stripped down version of putty, but also a cmd launcher (which I am using) | 15:02 |
ndf | (irssi-win, that is) | 15:02 |
ndf | [meaning you can either run it in cygwin's terminal, or cmd] | 15:04 |
ndf | [or putty] | 15:05 |
diddledan | WTF | 16:12 |
diddledan | popey: ubuntu. really IS coming to windows | 16:12 |
diddledan | just announced it at build | 16:12 |
ali1234 | of course it is | 16:13 |
ndf | saywhuuuut | 16:13 |
daftykins | well, Bash and binaries ;D | 16:15 |
diddledan | yeah | 16:15 |
* daftykins browses /mnt/c/ ;) | 16:16 | |
popey | :) | 16:16 |
daftykins | error: path too long | 16:16 |
ali1234 | the question is what is it actually good for? | 16:17 |
diddledan | ali1234: EVERYTHING I currently use Cygwin for! | 16:17 |
ali1234 | okay, but i haven't used cygwin since 2001? | 16:18 |
daftykins | i don't think we were aware you use Windows for dev | 16:19 |
daftykins | next step, package management ;) | 16:20 |
ali1234 | it won't be of any use for actual windows users | 16:20 |
daftykins | i'm no dev but i'm sure things like that would make dealing with open source things more easily | 16:20 |
daftykins | ali1234: right, but it's a dev event... | 16:20 |
ali1234 | exactly | 16:20 |
ali1234 | so this is aimed at developers who for some reason want to develop software for ubuntu even though they use windows? | 16:21 |
daftykins | perhaps you can wait for the next consumer devices event and say it's rubbish for devs, too | 16:21 |
daftykins | doesn't have anything to do with ubuntu specifically, i would say | 16:21 |
ali1234 | oh sorry. this is for developers who want to write software for *linux* even though they use windows exclusively | 16:21 |
ali1234 | i guess that's... well, maybe some game developers? | 16:21 |
ali1234 | but probably not, i mean you'd want to test it on the real thing anyway | 16:22 |
daftykins | you're just embarassing yourself commenting without following along | 16:22 |
ali1234 | oh, are they explaining exactly what the use case is? | 16:23 |
ali1234 | maybe you could tell me then, instead of being a dick? | 16:23 |
daftykins | diddledan: crikey that guy is sat on a tire | 16:25 |
daftykins | ali1234: either watch it first hand or later. | 16:25 |
daftykins | if being a dick is saying you're silly for commenting without knowing the facts, i don't have a problem with that. | 16:25 |
popey | http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html has the details. | 16:27 |
ndf | but.. | 16:44 |
ndf | this is crazy | 16:44 |
ndf | ok I'm impressed, didn't want to admit it | 16:46 |
ndf | so essentially what I took away from the article was that it was the inverse of WINE... is it comparable? | 16:51 |
popey | yes | 16:51 |
daftykins | native SSH and SCP will be fun | 16:53 |
ndf | hm | 16:54 |
popey | yeah, and being able to run the usual bash scripts with awk / sed / tee etc without jumping through too many hoops | 16:54 |
MartijnVdS | How is it different from what I can already use (msys2 that comes with git, for instance, has most tools as well) | 17:00 |
daftykins | well the above article implies bringing over the package management as well, perhaps - unless i'm reading between the lines | 17:00 |
daftykins | keeping those Canonical-sourced binaries up to date would be neat | 17:01 |
MartijnVdS | daftykins: msys2 (the standalone one) comes with pacman | 17:02 |
daftykins | is it pulling specific builds of programs then? | 17:02 |
MartijnVdS | Yeah, I think so | 17:04 |
MartijnVdS | well msys2 is, anyway | 17:04 |
MartijnVdS | DLLs and exes | 17:04 |
daftykins | mmm, not quite so easy then | 17:04 |
daftykins | diddledan: nothing like a joke flopping | 17:05 |
diddledan | I've had to pause the stream cos I've gone round the parentals | 17:08 |
daftykins | ah | 17:08 |
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diddledan | Just read the post popey linked at half five.. Interesting! It is the same binaries!!!?! | 17:17 |
popey | yes | 17:17 |
ali1234 | all very impressive, but what problem does it solve? | 17:37 |
MartijnVdS | the problem of developers leaving Windows behind | 17:47 |
ali1234 | that's my interpretation too | 17:47 |
ali1234 | essentially this seems to be aimed squarely at the type of people who buy a mac because it comes with ssh pre-installed | 17:47 |
ali1234 | buy a mac over windows i mean | 17:48 |
daftykins | i work cross-platform and i think it makes the CLI tools i use more native in a way | 17:50 |
ali1234 | it certainly gives you a consistent environment | 17:52 |
ali1234 | if it is the exact same binaries | 17:52 |
ali1234 | is it cli only? | 17:52 |
ali1234 | dustin kirkland claims it will run most of the stuff in the repos | 17:53 |
ali1234 | "most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives" | 17:53 |
ali1234 | were the exact words | 17:53 |
ali1234 | maybe that will be done through mir | 17:54 |
ali1234 | would be funny. essentially locking out all other distros | 17:54 |
ali1234 | now that really would cause some drama | 17:54 |
ali1234 | as i understand it this thing is an extension of the windows 10 android app compatibility | 17:55 |
ali1234 | and of course mir is designed to run on android graphics drivers... which windows provides an emulated version of presumably | 17:55 |
ali1234 | seems like everyone is convinced that this is only for cli tools | 19:53 |
zmoylan-pi | evolution will kill outlook... :-) | 19:54 |
popey | for now it is | 19:56 |
ali1234 | for now :) | 19:56 |
popey | heh | 19:56 |
ali1234 | if mir can run on android hardware drivers i see no reason why it can't run on (whatever remains) of project astoria | 19:56 |
daftykins | i thought that was an app converter | 19:57 |
ali1234 | no, it's (was) a "platform bridge" | 19:58 |
ali1234 | it's where the adss.sys/lxss.sys stuff comes from | 19:58 |
ali1234 | adss = android subsystem | 19:58 |
ali1234 | but they cancelled it last month | 19:59 |
ali1234 | the benefits of having solid command line tools are clear... for microsoft | 19:59 |
ali1234 | it will stop devops people migrating to OS X | 19:59 |
ali1234 | and to a lesser extent ubuntu | 20:00 |
ali1234 | so i don't see what canonical gets from the deal if it's only command line | 20:00 |
ali1234 | if it lets ubuntu (mobile) apps run on windows though... then that's a very different proposition | 20:01 |
ali1234 | so can anyone be a windows insider and download this? | 20:04 |
ali1234 | is it gonna cost me anything? | 20:04 |
daftykins | yeah anyone can, no money | 20:05 |
daftykins | just the whole having a Microsoft account to run it | 20:05 |
ali1234 | i already have two | 20:05 |
daftykins | plus allegedly the insider versions log keystrokes | 20:05 |
ali1234 | i'm not going to use it for anything other than kicking the tyres :) | 20:05 |
popey | heh | 20:06 |
ali1234 | the download page seems to suggest i need a licensed copy of windows already to install | 20:07 |
daftykins | it was a straight ISO last time i did it | 20:09 |
ali1234 | yes it is, but is it gonna ask me for a serial when i boot it up? | 20:09 |
daftykins | no because it's insider. | 20:09 |
ali1234 | i built my own computer, it does not have any kind of windows license or OEM bios stuff | 20:10 |
daftykins | official retail 10 ISOs downloaded also do not require keys to install | 20:10 |
daftykins | nor the last few versions | 20:10 |
ali1234 | really? wow | 20:10 |
ali1234 | no activation? | 20:10 |
daftykins | well all the non-insider stuff goes to 30 day trial by default | 20:10 |
daftykins | looks like they stopped hosting ISOs directly :/ how disappointing | 20:13 |
daftykins | ah no i'm not in the right place | 20:13 |
daftykins | yep they've made it tough to get! | 20:21 |
directhex | the iso download only works from linux/osx | 21:07 |
directhex | on windows, it gives you a .exe which does the downloading | 21:07 |
daftykins | they seem to have pulled image links entirely | 21:07 |
daftykins | oh are you saying you see a different page depending what you're viewing from? | 21:07 |
ali1234 | i definitely got a direct link to an iso from the insider page | 21:15 |
ali1234 | still hasn't downloaded though | 21:15 |
ali1234 | MS needs a better CDN | 21:15 |
daftykins | heh | 21:17 |
daftykins | might be that viewing it from 10 was limiting me | 21:17 |
zmoylan-pi | oculus face... http://www.popsci.com/oculus-face-is-sign-our-virtual-times | 22:00 |
ndf | MooDoo / Myrtti : if either of you are around would you care to hit me with some more UTF-8 symbols again? lol | 22:48 |
ndf | or anyone else could do it I guess lol | 22:48 |
Myrtti | äö ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ £€ | 22:48 |
Myrtti | ♥ | 22:48 |
ndf | ah still the same | 22:48 |
ndf | haha | 22:48 |
ndf | never mind | 22:48 |
ndf | I launched it in putty this time to see if it was any different | 22:49 |
ndf | (cygterm) | 22:49 |
ndf | aha I think I may have fixed it | 22:51 |
ndf | once more please Myrtti ;P | 22:51 |
Myrtti | ♥ €£ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ äöå | 22:51 |
ndf | hm halfway fixed | 22:51 |
ndf | probably requires restart of putty | 22:52 |
Myrtti | (deg) | 22:52 |
Myrtti | ° | 22:52 |
Myrtti | there we go | 22:52 |
ndf | lol ty sorry for wasting your time ;P | 22:52 |
m0nkey_ | :) | 22:55 |
ali1234 | okay the download finished. now to load it in virtualbox | 23:14 |
diddledan | the ubuntu bits aren't in the current build | 23:30 |
diddledan | they're apparently coming in a short while to insiders | 23:30 |
diddledan | maybe weeks | 23:30 |
daftykins | i couldn't coax 10586 to find the 14xxx build when set to 'fast ring' | 23:31 |
daftykins | so i said 'meh' | 23:31 |
diddledan | there's a suggestion that the availability will be announced at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html | 23:31 |
diddledan | wrong link | 23:31 |
diddledan | https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/ | 23:31 |
m0nkey_ | ^-- me like | 23:53 |
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