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diddledandoobley do01:17
* diddledan fancies some cheese01:17
* diddledan wanders off to get some cheese01:18
* diddledan returns with some cheese01:19
diddledangotta love some cheese01:20
daftykinsmmhmm01:20
* zmoylan-pi breaks out the crackers01:28
daftykinsoh, no, diddledan has plenty of that ;D01:29
diddledancrackers? I don't mind if I do! blablabloowoooweeeblablathrupt01:33
diddledan(no that's not a modem!)01:34
* zmoylan-pi opens a different pack of crackers for those that don't want pre dribbled ones...01:34
diddledandribbledan?01:34
daftykinsis it "our jobs to anyone not technically inclined" ?01:34
zmoylan-pii hope jupiter is insured... http://boingboing.net/2016/03/29/something-may-have-just-struck.html01:42
diddledansomeone is bombarding it with a mass driver02:01
diddledanoh dear, I just blogged for the first time in forever04:07
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.06:24
MooDoomorning all06:47
brobostigonmorning MooDoo06:53
MooDoohow are you brobostigon06:53
brobostigonnot bad, and you?06:54
MooDooit's hump day so can't complain06:55
brobostigon:)06:55
MooDoooff to the nottingham forest football ground tonight....football is the one where you use a cue right?07:37
MooDoofinally you can have unity launcher at the bottom :D08:35
MooDooand you know what?   not sure if i like it lol :)08:36
SuperMatthahah08:37
MooDoo:)08:37
SuperMattMooDoo: is it easy to enable?09:00
popeygsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom09:02
popeygsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Left09:02
popeySuperMatt: ^09:02
SuperMattah yes, I see09:03
SuperMattvery easy09:03
mappsdoes everyone do coke in gib? what going on09:06
mappsits an absolute joke09:06
mapps3 guys in a toilet at brunos.....that says it all09:07
mappsi was prob the oldest person in brunos09:08
SuperMattwhen a night's worth of coke can be cheaper than beer, it's not surprise09:08
mappsits all free for me;p09:08
mappsi put my drinks on tab09:08
mappslol09:08
SuperMattwas this a company tab?09:12
mappsno mine09:13
mappsi go there 3-5xa week09:14
mappsby where i work09:14
SuperMattright, but you do intend to pay this tab right? It's not free...09:14
mappsyyes, free for now09:15
mappsi pay every month09:15
SuperMattoh good09:16
SuperMattI just wouldn't fall in to the trap of convincing yourself it's free09:16
JamesTaitGood morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! 😃09:21
MooDoomorning JamesTait09:22
JamesTait👋  MooDoo09:23
MooDooseen this ? http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/09:43
popeyOooh! The "Microsoft are buying Canonical" rumour has been kicked off again09:46
MooDooit wasn't that bad popey ;)09:47
foobarrynot surprising given the public relationship canonical and MS are having10:07
awilkinsAnyone here claimed PPI?11:20
DJonesYay, back home at last11:27
TwistedLucidityawilkins: Considered it, but not done it yet11:34
Myrttiawilkins: a friend works in a bank and all you need is in theory your name, but more information you can give them helps them. If it's about a joint mortgage or loan, then complain together so it'll be researched properly. Banks should have forms on their sites to fill up, or you can write a letter yourself.11:39
Myrtti(I've got nothing to my own name in UK but have followed up some discussions)11:39
MooDooawilkins: yeah wife has11:53
awilkinsI've got a form from the FCA I'm filling in11:54
awilkinsBasically an endowment plan with a "Critical illness cover"11:54
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TwistedLucidityawilkins: My endowment claim went nowhere. Gutted13:08
TwistedLucidityBe lucky if it covers ~50% of what it was supposed to (high risk investment when I'd asked for low)13:09
TwistedLucidityEndowment company ignored letters, FCA (or whatever it was called back then) said they could not help13:10
diddledanwow, MooDoo , popey , that's some serious leaping to conclusions based on the name of a single dll file.13:13
popeywat wat?13:14
diddledanpopey: the Microsoft/canonical article that MooDoo posted at 10:3213:14
diddledan10:4313:14
popeyoh13:14
popeyyeah, fun13:14
diddledanthe file is lxss.dll obviously that means Linux....13:15
MooDoooh that was old news, i thought it was about the getting ubuntu running on windows 10 article13:15
diddledanMooDoo: it's the same story13:16
MooDoothink it's being announce at build 2016, but i'll believe it when i see it13:16
MooDoodiddledan: ah! doh!13:16
MooDoodiddledan: I'm sure popey wouldn't mind working for Microsoft any way ;)13:17
diddledanMooDoo: the article you posted links to another at winbeta that talks of lxss.dll meaning that Linux is coming to windows13:17
MooDooright13:17
diddledanlxss obviously means Linux subsystem.... there's no other reason for l and x to appear together13:18
diddledan</troll>13:18
ndf... totally right though13:18
ndflol13:18
ndfI may be missing the joke here but isn't Microsoft really trying to run Adnroid apps on Windows and vice versa?13:21
diddledanthey abandoned the android bridge13:22
ndfoh13:22
ndfwhy is that? I was under the impression that it would have been a simpler system to implement than cygwin or whatever13:24
popeydiddledan: MooDoo I can't see MS "buying" Canonical13:26
diddledanI don't think canonical would agree anyway13:26
ndfunfortunately in business you don't have to 'agree' to be bought13:26
diddledanat least I would hope Jane would refuse such a purchase13:26
popeySure you do13:27
popeyWe're a privately held company13:27
ndfI meant once there's public shares involved, anyway13:28
diddledanyeah, hostile takeovers can only occur with public stock where there's the possibility of one entity buying themselves a majority share - of course if Mark owned 51% of the shares of a theoretical public canonical then that would be impossible anyway13:29
ndfah yeah i see13:30
diddledan(yey for GCSE business studies :-p)13:32
ndfhaha I actually got a B in BS, but I have forgotten a fair bit13:33
diddledanditto on the forgotten, and I think I got C13:33
diddledanBS = Bull Poo13:33
diddledan:-p13:33
ndfhah yea13:34
ndfooh phone call13:34
diddledanyey13:34
ndfmmmm buds are in lol back soon13:34
knightwiseyezzz :) `13:40
knightwiseremoved Windows 10 from my Acer revo, reinstalled 14.04 , its runnign smoothly :)13:40
MooDoowindows 10 runs quite smooth on my dell, i only removed it as my AV license is due to expire and i don't want to pay out £50 :D13:41
MooDooand i don't like the other free ones13:41
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knightwiseMooDoo: the machine is mostly used as a file server and a plex server13:52
knightwisewin10 ran fine indeed (Im also running it on my surface pro)13:52
MooDoo:)13:52
diddledanI'm currently in win1013:53
diddledanI hop back and forth between 10 and buntu every other day :-p13:53
MooDooI remove it from my laptop, now i'm running ubuntu LTS13:53
MooDoowell the beta13:54
MooDootried moving ubuntu to the bottom, didn't like it lol13:54
MooDoounity launcher i meant lol13:54
diddledanyeah, 16.04 is close enough now that it's fairly stable13:54
MooDooworks for me :)  virtualbox couple of vms sweet13:55
MooDooi prefer command line stuff so command line music player as well :D13:55
knightwisesame here :)13:56
knightwiseranger + vms13:56
knightwisediddledan: thought about cramming 16.04 on the machine but since its our main entertainment center (plex) i had to be sure it was rocksolid13:57
diddledanI hear that!13:57
diddledanalso, plex ftw13:58
MooDooknightwise: i use moc as my music player :)13:58
ndfMooDoo: what currency is lb? or was that supposed to be a pound? (I understand the origins of lb ;P )14:22
ndfI read it as 50lbs as a weight14:23
ndflol14:23
ndflet me know if you find an AV that takes subscription payments in weights of meat14:23
MooDoolol what ever i put i meant £5014:31
ndfyeah but what do you mean, £50?14:33
ndfwhat is lb?14:33
MooDoooh don't you see the currency symbol for sterling / money / pounds MONEY14:37
MooDoo50 quid14:37
ndfi'm seeing lb, not £14:39
ndfyou're typing lb14:39
ndfnot £14:39
MooDoono i'm typing the symbol £ maybe it's irssi showing it wrong14:40
ndf"15:40 < MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol lb maybe it's irssi showing it wrong"14:40
ndf>the symbol lb14:40
ndfI think it's your input - I'm on irssi and having no trouble seeing my '£' symbol14:41
MooDooi'm on irssi too :)14:41
ndfthen are you seeing me saying 'lb' instead of '£'?14:41
MooDooHAY ALL What you seeing when I type £ ?14:41
Myrtti£ sign14:42
Myrtti:-P14:42
ndf"15:42 < Myrtti> lb sign"14:42
ndfis what I'm seeing on you too14:42
ndfis that a joke?14:43
ndflol14:43
Myrttithen you might have your UTF8 settings wrong14:43
ndf... but I'm seeing my own '£'14:43
ndfjust not yours14:43
Myrttiwell, I'm seeing yours and my own14:43
ndfadmittedly I am running irssi-win so it's on cygwin in cmd14:43
Myrttithere you go then.14:43
Myrttiirssi on cygwin is an unholy mess14:44
ndfbut if it was a UTF problem, wouldn't I just be seeing an unrecognised char rather than the two ascii chars for 'l', and 'b'?14:44
ndfascii 'lb' != UTF-8 '£'14:44
Myrttihence the word 'might'14:45
ndfwell this is all sorts of borked14:45
Myrtti¯\_(ツ)_/¯14:45
ndfit's offending my mind14:45
MooDooMyrtti: you shruggin ;)14:45
Myrttiyup14:45
MooDoo:)14:45
ndfI'm just seeing escape codes in that, I don't know if they're translating on your end but they're not here14:46
MooDoolooks fine to me :)14:46
ndfohrly14:46
* ndf hears a joke whooshing over his head14:47
Myrttihttps://imgur.com/JbgQ2wB14:48
ndfwell holy crap14:48
ndfhah14:48
MooDoo:)14:49
MooDooMyrtti: are your times stardate or something? ;)14:49
MyrttiUTC14:49
ndfhaha14:49
MooDoooh doh of course, silly me14:49
Myrttimakes my life easier when discussing logs with the rest14:49
ndfwell I can't beleive I've never had a conversation containing a £ or other UTF symbols before.. surprised I've not noticed that before.14:56
Myrttijust out of interest14:57
Myrttihow does äö display to you?14:57
ndf15:57 < Myrtti> how does "a"o display to you?14:57
ndfdo you have that in ascii? what was it?14:57
ndflol14:57
ndf... or another screeny?14:58
Myrttihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8414:58
Myrttilowercase a and o with diaresis14:58
ndfhaha so apparently prefixing with " is as good as an umlaut/diaresis14:59
ndfthis conversion must be coded by irssi or cygwin, I can't imagine cmd having that sort of switching for unrecognised symbols15:00
ndfcmd usually just doesn't print them or let you paste them in15:01
ndfin fact15:01
ndfI can't even paste in the dotted A from wikipedia15:01
ndfinto here15:01
ali1234cygwin comes with it's own terminal emulator because command.com is awful15:02
ndfirssi is packaged with a stripped down version of putty, but also a cmd launcher (which I am using)15:02
ndf(irssi-win, that is)15:02
ndf[meaning you can either run it in cygwin's terminal, or cmd]15:04
ndf[or putty]15:05
diddledanWTF16:12
diddledanpopey: ubuntu. really IS coming to windows16:12
diddledanjust announced it at build16:12
ali1234of course it is16:13
ndfsaywhuuuut16:13
daftykinswell, Bash and binaries ;D16:15
diddledanyeah16:15
* daftykins browses /mnt/c/ ;)16:16
popey:)16:16
daftykinserror: path too long16:16
ali1234the question is what is it actually good for?16:17
diddledanali1234: EVERYTHING I currently use Cygwin for!16:17
ali1234okay, but i haven't used cygwin since 2001?16:18
daftykinsi don't think we were aware you use Windows for dev16:19
daftykinsnext step, package management ;)16:20
ali1234it won't be of any use for actual windows users16:20
daftykinsi'm no dev but i'm sure things like that would make dealing with open source things more easily16:20
daftykinsali1234: right, but it's a dev event...16:20
ali1234exactly16:20
ali1234so this is aimed at developers who for some reason want to develop software for ubuntu even though they use windows?16:21
daftykinsperhaps you can wait for the next consumer devices event and say it's rubbish for devs, too16:21
daftykinsdoesn't have anything to do with ubuntu specifically, i would say16:21
ali1234oh sorry. this is for developers who want to write software for *linux* even though they use windows exclusively16:21
ali1234i guess that's... well, maybe some game developers?16:21
ali1234but probably not, i mean you'd want to test it on the real thing anyway16:22
daftykinsyou're just embarassing yourself commenting without following along16:22
ali1234oh, are they explaining exactly what the use case is?16:23
ali1234maybe you could tell me then, instead of being a dick?16:23
daftykinsdiddledan: crikey that guy is sat on a tire16:25
daftykinsali1234: either watch it first hand or later.16:25
daftykinsif being a dick is saying you're silly for commenting without knowing the facts, i don't have a problem with that.16:25
popeyhttp://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html has the details.16:27
ndfbut..16:44
ndfthis is crazy16:44
ndfok I'm impressed, didn't want to admit it16:46
ndfso essentially what I took away from the article was that it was the inverse of WINE... is it comparable?16:51
popeyyes16:51
daftykinsnative SSH and SCP will be fun16:53
ndfhm16:54
popeyyeah, and being able to run the usual bash scripts with awk / sed / tee etc without jumping through too many hoops16:54
MartijnVdSHow is it different from what I can already use (msys2 that comes with git, for instance, has most tools as well)17:00
daftykinswell the above article implies bringing over the package management as well, perhaps - unless i'm reading between the lines17:00
daftykinskeeping those Canonical-sourced binaries up to date would be neat17:01
MartijnVdSdaftykins: msys2 (the standalone one) comes with pacman17:02
daftykinsis it pulling specific builds of programs then?17:02
MartijnVdSYeah, I think so17:04
MartijnVdSwell msys2 is, anyway17:04
MartijnVdSDLLs and exes17:04
daftykinsmmm, not quite so easy then17:04
daftykinsdiddledan: nothing like a joke flopping17:05
diddledanI've had to pause the stream cos I've gone round the parentals17:08
daftykinsah17:08
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diddledanJust read the post popey linked at half five.. Interesting! It is the same binaries!!!?!17:17
popeyyes17:17
ali1234all very impressive, but what problem does it solve?17:37
MartijnVdSthe problem of developers leaving Windows behind17:47
ali1234that's my interpretation too17:47
ali1234essentially this seems to be aimed squarely at the type of people who buy a mac because it comes with ssh pre-installed17:47
ali1234buy a mac over windows i mean17:48
daftykinsi work cross-platform and i think it makes the CLI tools i use more native in a way17:50
ali1234it certainly gives you a consistent environment17:52
ali1234if it is the exact same binaries17:52
ali1234is it cli only?17:52
ali1234dustin kirkland claims it will run most of the stuff in the repos17:53
ali1234"most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives"17:53
ali1234were the exact words17:53
ali1234maybe that will be done through mir17:54
ali1234would be funny. essentially locking out all other distros17:54
ali1234now that really would cause some drama17:54
ali1234as i understand it this thing is an extension of the windows 10 android app compatibility17:55
ali1234and of course mir is designed to run on android graphics drivers... which windows provides an emulated version of presumably17:55
ali1234seems like everyone is convinced that this is only for cli tools19:53
zmoylan-pievolution will kill outlook... :-)19:54
popeyfor now it is19:56
ali1234for now :)19:56
popeyheh19:56
ali1234if mir can run on android hardware drivers i see no reason why it can't run on (whatever remains) of project astoria19:56
daftykinsi thought that was an app converter19:57
ali1234no, it's (was) a "platform bridge"19:58
ali1234it's where the adss.sys/lxss.sys stuff comes from19:58
ali1234adss = android subsystem19:58
ali1234but they cancelled it last month19:59
ali1234the benefits of having solid command line tools are clear... for microsoft19:59
ali1234it will stop devops people migrating to OS X19:59
ali1234and to a lesser extent ubuntu20:00
ali1234so i don't see what canonical gets from the deal if it's only command line20:00
ali1234if it lets ubuntu (mobile) apps run on windows though... then that's a very different proposition20:01
ali1234so can anyone be a windows insider and download this?20:04
ali1234is it gonna cost me anything?20:04
daftykinsyeah anyone can, no money20:05
daftykinsjust the whole having a Microsoft account to run it20:05
ali1234i already have two20:05
daftykinsplus allegedly the insider versions log keystrokes20:05
ali1234i'm not going to use it for anything other than kicking the tyres :)20:05
popeyheh20:06
ali1234the download page seems to suggest i need a licensed copy of windows already to install20:07
daftykinsit was a straight ISO last time i did it20:09
ali1234yes it is, but is it gonna ask me for a serial when i boot it up?20:09
daftykinsno because it's insider.20:09
ali1234i built my own computer, it does not have any kind of windows license or OEM bios stuff20:10
daftykinsofficial retail 10 ISOs downloaded also do not require keys to install20:10
daftykinsnor the last few versions20:10
ali1234really? wow20:10
ali1234no activation?20:10
daftykinswell all the non-insider stuff goes to 30 day trial by default20:10
daftykinslooks like they stopped hosting ISOs directly :/ how disappointing20:13
daftykinsah no i'm not in the right place20:13
daftykinsyep they've made it tough to get!20:21
directhexthe iso download only works from linux/osx21:07
directhexon windows, it gives you a .exe which does the downloading21:07
daftykinsthey seem to have pulled image links entirely21:07
daftykinsoh are you saying you see a different page depending what you're viewing from?21:07
ali1234i definitely got a direct link to an iso from the insider page21:15
ali1234still hasn't downloaded though21:15
ali1234MS needs a better CDN21:15
daftykinsheh21:17
daftykinsmight be that viewing it from 10 was limiting me21:17
zmoylan-pioculus face... http://www.popsci.com/oculus-face-is-sign-our-virtual-times22:00
ndfMooDoo / Myrtti : if either of you are around would you care to hit me with some more UTF-8 symbols again? lol22:48
ndfor anyone else could do it I guess lol22:48
Myrttiäö ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ £€22:48
Myrtti♥22:48
ndfah still the same22:48
ndfhaha22:48
ndfnever mind22:48
ndfI launched it in putty this time to see if it was any different22:49
ndf(cygterm)22:49
ndfaha I think I may have fixed it22:51
ndfonce more please Myrtti ;P22:51
Myrtti♥ €£ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ äöå22:51
ndfhm halfway fixed22:51
ndfprobably requires restart of putty22:52
Myrtti(deg)22:52
Myrtti°22:52
Myrttithere we go22:52
ndflol ty sorry for wasting your time ;P22:52
m0nkey_:)22:55
ali1234okay the download finished. now to load it in virtualbox23:14
diddledanthe ubuntu bits aren't in the current build23:30
diddledanthey're apparently coming in a short while to insiders23:30
diddledanmaybe weeks23:30
daftykinsi couldn't coax 10586 to find the 14xxx build when set to 'fast ring'23:31
daftykinsso i said 'meh'23:31
diddledanthere's a suggestion that the availability will be announced at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html23:31
diddledanwrong link23:31
diddledanhttps://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/23:31
m0nkey_^-- me like23:53

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