[01:17] doobley do [01:17] * diddledan fancies some cheese [01:18] * diddledan wanders off to get some cheese [01:19] * diddledan returns with some cheese [01:20] gotta love some cheese [01:20] mmhmm [01:28] * zmoylan-pi breaks out the crackers [01:29] oh, no, diddledan has plenty of that ;D [01:33] crackers? I don't mind if I do! blablabloowoooweeeblablathrupt [01:34] (no that's not a modem!) [01:34] * zmoylan-pi opens a different pack of crackers for those that don't want pre dribbled ones... [01:34] dribbledan? [01:34] is it "our jobs to anyone not technically inclined" ? [01:42] i hope jupiter is insured... http://boingboing.net/2016/03/29/something-may-have-just-struck.html [02:01] someone is bombarding it with a mass driver [04:07] oh dear, I just blogged for the first time in forever [06:24] morning boys and girls. [06:47] morning all [06:53] morning MooDoo [06:53] how are you brobostigon [06:54] not bad, and you? [06:55] it's hump day so can't complain [06:55] :) [07:37] off to the nottingham forest football ground tonight....football is the one where you use a cue right? [08:35] finally you can have unity launcher at the bottom :D [08:36] and you know what? not sure if i like it lol :) [08:37] hahah [08:37] :) [09:00] MooDoo: is it easy to enable? [09:02] gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom [09:02] gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Left [09:02] SuperMatt: ^ [09:03] ah yes, I see [09:03] very easy [09:06] does everyone do coke in gib? what going on [09:06] its an absolute joke [09:07] 3 guys in a toilet at brunos.....that says it all [09:08] i was prob the oldest person in brunos [09:08] when a night's worth of coke can be cheaper than beer, it's not surprise [09:08] its all free for me;p [09:08] i put my drinks on tab [09:08] lol [09:12] was this a company tab? [09:13] no mine [09:14] i go there 3-5xa week [09:14] by where i work [09:14] right, but you do intend to pay this tab right? It's not free... [09:15] yyes, free for now [09:15] i pay every month [09:16] oh good [09:16] I just wouldn't fall in to the trap of convincing yourself it's free [09:21] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! 😃 [09:22] morning JamesTait [09:23] 👋 MooDoo [09:43] seen this ? http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/ [09:46] Oooh! The "Microsoft are buying Canonical" rumour has been kicked off again [09:47] it wasn't that bad popey ;) [10:07] not surprising given the public relationship canonical and MS are having [11:20] Anyone here claimed PPI? [11:27] Yay, back home at last [11:34] awilkins: Considered it, but not done it yet [11:39] awilkins: a friend works in a bank and all you need is in theory your name, but more information you can give them helps them. If it's about a joint mortgage or loan, then complain together so it'll be researched properly. Banks should have forms on their sites to fill up, or you can write a letter yourself. [11:39] (I've got nothing to my own name in UK but have followed up some discussions) [11:53] awilkins: yeah wife has [11:54] I've got a form from the FCA I'm filling in [11:54] Basically an endowment plan with a "Critical illness cover" === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:08] awilkins: My endowment claim went nowhere. Gutted [13:09] Be lucky if it covers ~50% of what it was supposed to (high risk investment when I'd asked for low) [13:10] Endowment company ignored letters, FCA (or whatever it was called back then) said they could not help [13:13] wow, MooDoo , popey , that's some serious leaping to conclusions based on the name of a single dll file. [13:14] wat wat? [13:14] popey: the Microsoft/canonical article that MooDoo posted at 10:32 [13:14] 10:43 [13:14] oh [13:14] yeah, fun [13:15] the file is lxss.dll obviously that means Linux.... [13:15] oh that was old news, i thought it was about the getting ubuntu running on windows 10 article [13:16] MooDoo: it's the same story [13:16] think it's being announce at build 2016, but i'll believe it when i see it [13:16] diddledan: ah! doh! [13:17] diddledan: I'm sure popey wouldn't mind working for Microsoft any way ;) [13:17] MooDoo: the article you posted links to another at winbeta that talks of lxss.dll meaning that Linux is coming to windows [13:17] right [13:18] lxss obviously means Linux subsystem.... there's no other reason for l and x to appear together [13:18] [13:18] ... totally right though [13:18] lol [13:21] I may be missing the joke here but isn't Microsoft really trying to run Adnroid apps on Windows and vice versa? [13:22] they abandoned the android bridge [13:22] oh [13:24] why is that? I was under the impression that it would have been a simpler system to implement than cygwin or whatever [13:26] diddledan: MooDoo I can't see MS "buying" Canonical [13:26] I don't think canonical would agree anyway [13:26] unfortunately in business you don't have to 'agree' to be bought [13:26] at least I would hope Jane would refuse such a purchase [13:27] Sure you do [13:27] We're a privately held company [13:28] I meant once there's public shares involved, anyway [13:29] yeah, hostile takeovers can only occur with public stock where there's the possibility of one entity buying themselves a majority share - of course if Mark owned 51% of the shares of a theoretical public canonical then that would be impossible anyway [13:30] ah yeah i see [13:32] (yey for GCSE business studies :-p) [13:33] haha I actually got a B in BS, but I have forgotten a fair bit [13:33] ditto on the forgotten, and I think I got C [13:33] BS = Bull Poo [13:33] :-p [13:34] hah yea [13:34] ooh phone call [13:34] yey [13:34] mmmm buds are in lol back soon [13:40] yezzz :) ` [13:40] removed Windows 10 from my Acer revo, reinstalled 14.04 , its runnign smoothly :) [13:41] windows 10 runs quite smooth on my dell, i only removed it as my AV license is due to expire and i don't want to pay out £50 :D [13:41] and i don't like the other free ones === matthew is now known as Guest73999 [13:52] MooDoo: the machine is mostly used as a file server and a plex server [13:52] win10 ran fine indeed (Im also running it on my surface pro) [13:52] :) [13:53] I'm currently in win10 [13:53] I hop back and forth between 10 and buntu every other day :-p [13:53] I remove it from my laptop, now i'm running ubuntu LTS [13:54] well the beta [13:54] tried moving ubuntu to the bottom, didn't like it lol [13:54] unity launcher i meant lol [13:54] yeah, 16.04 is close enough now that it's fairly stable [13:55] works for me :) virtualbox couple of vms sweet [13:55] i prefer command line stuff so command line music player as well :D [13:56] same here :) [13:56] ranger + vms [13:57] diddledan: thought about cramming 16.04 on the machine but since its our main entertainment center (plex) i had to be sure it was rocksolid [13:57] I hear that! [13:58] also, plex ftw [13:58] knightwise: i use moc as my music player :) [14:22] MooDoo: what currency is lb? or was that supposed to be a pound? (I understand the origins of lb ;P ) [14:23] I read it as 50lbs as a weight [14:23] lol [14:23] let me know if you find an AV that takes subscription payments in weights of meat [14:31] lol what ever i put i meant £50 [14:33] yeah but what do you mean, £50? [14:33] what is lb? [14:37] oh don't you see the currency symbol for sterling / money / pounds MONEY [14:37] 50 quid [14:39] i'm seeing lb, not £ [14:39] you're typing lb [14:39] not £ [14:40] no i'm typing the symbol £ maybe it's irssi showing it wrong [14:40] "15:40 < MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol lb maybe it's irssi showing it wrong" [14:40] >the symbol lb [14:41] I think it's your input - I'm on irssi and having no trouble seeing my '£' symbol [14:41] i'm on irssi too :) [14:41] then are you seeing me saying 'lb' instead of '£'? [14:41] HAY ALL What you seeing when I type £ ? [14:42] £ sign [14:42] :-P [14:42] "15:42 < Myrtti> lb sign" [14:42] is what I'm seeing on you too [14:43] is that a joke? [14:43] lol [14:43] then you might have your UTF8 settings wrong [14:43] ... but I'm seeing my own '£' [14:43] just not yours [14:43] well, I'm seeing yours and my own [14:43] admittedly I am running irssi-win so it's on cygwin in cmd [14:43] there you go then. [14:44] irssi on cygwin is an unholy mess [14:44] but if it was a UTF problem, wouldn't I just be seeing an unrecognised char rather than the two ascii chars for 'l', and 'b'? [14:44] ascii 'lb' != UTF-8 '£' [14:45] hence the word 'might' [14:45] well this is all sorts of borked [14:45] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [14:45] it's offending my mind [14:45] Myrtti: you shruggin ;) [14:45] yup [14:45] :) [14:46] I'm just seeing escape codes in that, I don't know if they're translating on your end but they're not here [14:46] looks fine to me :) [14:46] ohrly [14:47] * ndf hears a joke whooshing over his head [14:48] https://imgur.com/JbgQ2wB [14:48] well holy crap [14:48] hah [14:49] :) [14:49] Myrtti: are your times stardate or something? ;) [14:49] UTC [14:49] haha [14:49] oh doh of course, silly me [14:49] makes my life easier when discussing logs with the rest [14:56] well I can't beleive I've never had a conversation containing a £ or other UTF symbols before.. surprised I've not noticed that before. [14:57] just out of interest [14:57] how does äö display to you? [14:57] 15:57 < Myrtti> how does "a"o display to you? [14:57] do you have that in ascii? what was it? [14:57] lol [14:58] ... or another screeny? [14:58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%84 [14:58] lowercase a and o with diaresis [14:59] haha so apparently prefixing with " is as good as an umlaut/diaresis [15:00] this conversion must be coded by irssi or cygwin, I can't imagine cmd having that sort of switching for unrecognised symbols [15:01] cmd usually just doesn't print them or let you paste them in [15:01] in fact [15:01] I can't even paste in the dotted A from wikipedia [15:01] into here [15:02] cygwin comes with it's own terminal emulator because command.com is awful [15:02] irssi is packaged with a stripped down version of putty, but also a cmd launcher (which I am using) [15:02] (irssi-win, that is) [15:04] [meaning you can either run it in cygwin's terminal, or cmd] [15:05] [or putty] [16:12] WTF [16:12] popey: ubuntu. really IS coming to windows [16:12] just announced it at build [16:13] of course it is [16:13] saywhuuuut [16:15] well, Bash and binaries ;D [16:15] yeah [16:16] * daftykins browses /mnt/c/ ;) [16:16] :) [16:16] error: path too long [16:17] the question is what is it actually good for? [16:17] ali1234: EVERYTHING I currently use Cygwin for! [16:18] okay, but i haven't used cygwin since 2001? [16:19] i don't think we were aware you use Windows for dev [16:20] next step, package management ;) [16:20] it won't be of any use for actual windows users [16:20] i'm no dev but i'm sure things like that would make dealing with open source things more easily [16:20] ali1234: right, but it's a dev event... [16:20] exactly [16:21] so this is aimed at developers who for some reason want to develop software for ubuntu even though they use windows? [16:21] perhaps you can wait for the next consumer devices event and say it's rubbish for devs, too [16:21] doesn't have anything to do with ubuntu specifically, i would say [16:21] oh sorry. this is for developers who want to write software for *linux* even though they use windows exclusively [16:21] i guess that's... well, maybe some game developers? [16:22] but probably not, i mean you'd want to test it on the real thing anyway [16:22] you're just embarassing yourself commenting without following along [16:23] oh, are they explaining exactly what the use case is? [16:23] maybe you could tell me then, instead of being a dick? [16:25] diddledan: crikey that guy is sat on a tire [16:25] ali1234: either watch it first hand or later. [16:25] if being a dick is saying you're silly for commenting without knowing the facts, i don't have a problem with that. [16:27] http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html has the details. [16:44] but.. [16:44] this is crazy [16:46] ok I'm impressed, didn't want to admit it [16:51] so essentially what I took away from the article was that it was the inverse of WINE... is it comparable? [16:51] yes [16:53] native SSH and SCP will be fun [16:54] hm [16:54] yeah, and being able to run the usual bash scripts with awk / sed / tee etc without jumping through too many hoops [17:00] How is it different from what I can already use (msys2 that comes with git, for instance, has most tools as well) [17:00] well the above article implies bringing over the package management as well, perhaps - unless i'm reading between the lines [17:01] keeping those Canonical-sourced binaries up to date would be neat [17:02] daftykins: msys2 (the standalone one) comes with pacman [17:02] is it pulling specific builds of programs then? [17:04] Yeah, I think so [17:04] well msys2 is, anyway [17:04] DLLs and exes [17:04] mmm, not quite so easy then [17:05] diddledan: nothing like a joke flopping [17:08] I've had to pause the stream cos I've gone round the parentals [17:08] ah === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:17] Just read the post popey linked at half five.. Interesting! It is the same binaries!!!?! [17:17] yes [17:37] all very impressive, but what problem does it solve? [17:47] the problem of developers leaving Windows behind [17:47] that's my interpretation too [17:47] essentially this seems to be aimed squarely at the type of people who buy a mac because it comes with ssh pre-installed [17:48] buy a mac over windows i mean [17:50] i work cross-platform and i think it makes the CLI tools i use more native in a way [17:52] it certainly gives you a consistent environment [17:52] if it is the exact same binaries [17:52] is it cli only? [17:53] dustin kirkland claims it will run most of the stuff in the repos [17:53] "most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives" [17:53] were the exact words [17:54] maybe that will be done through mir [17:54] would be funny. essentially locking out all other distros [17:54] now that really would cause some drama [17:55] as i understand it this thing is an extension of the windows 10 android app compatibility [17:55] and of course mir is designed to run on android graphics drivers... which windows provides an emulated version of presumably [19:53] seems like everyone is convinced that this is only for cli tools [19:54] evolution will kill outlook... :-) [19:56] for now it is [19:56] for now :) [19:56] heh [19:56] if mir can run on android hardware drivers i see no reason why it can't run on (whatever remains) of project astoria [19:57] i thought that was an app converter [19:58] no, it's (was) a "platform bridge" [19:58] it's where the adss.sys/lxss.sys stuff comes from [19:58] adss = android subsystem [19:59] but they cancelled it last month [19:59] the benefits of having solid command line tools are clear... for microsoft [19:59] it will stop devops people migrating to OS X [20:00] and to a lesser extent ubuntu [20:00] so i don't see what canonical gets from the deal if it's only command line [20:01] if it lets ubuntu (mobile) apps run on windows though... then that's a very different proposition [20:04] so can anyone be a windows insider and download this? [20:04] is it gonna cost me anything? [20:05] yeah anyone can, no money [20:05] just the whole having a Microsoft account to run it [20:05] i already have two [20:05] plus allegedly the insider versions log keystrokes [20:05] i'm not going to use it for anything other than kicking the tyres :) [20:06] heh [20:07] the download page seems to suggest i need a licensed copy of windows already to install [20:09] it was a straight ISO last time i did it [20:09] yes it is, but is it gonna ask me for a serial when i boot it up? [20:09] no because it's insider. [20:10] i built my own computer, it does not have any kind of windows license or OEM bios stuff [20:10] official retail 10 ISOs downloaded also do not require keys to install [20:10] nor the last few versions [20:10] really? wow [20:10] no activation? [20:10] well all the non-insider stuff goes to 30 day trial by default [20:13] looks like they stopped hosting ISOs directly :/ how disappointing [20:13] ah no i'm not in the right place [20:21] yep they've made it tough to get! [21:07] the iso download only works from linux/osx [21:07] on windows, it gives you a .exe which does the downloading [21:07] they seem to have pulled image links entirely [21:07] oh are you saying you see a different page depending what you're viewing from? [21:15] i definitely got a direct link to an iso from the insider page [21:15] still hasn't downloaded though [21:15] MS needs a better CDN [21:17] heh [21:17] might be that viewing it from 10 was limiting me [22:00] oculus face... http://www.popsci.com/oculus-face-is-sign-our-virtual-times [22:48] MooDoo / Myrtti : if either of you are around would you care to hit me with some more UTF-8 symbols again? lol [22:48] or anyone else could do it I guess lol [22:48] äö ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ £€ [22:48] ♥ [22:48] ah still the same [22:48] haha [22:48] never mind [22:49] I launched it in putty this time to see if it was any different [22:49] (cygterm) [22:51] aha I think I may have fixed it [22:51] once more please Myrtti ;P [22:51] ♥ €£ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ äöå [22:51] hm halfway fixed [22:52] probably requires restart of putty [22:52] (deg) [22:52] ° [22:52] there we go [22:52] lol ty sorry for wasting your time ;P [22:55] :) [23:14] okay the download finished. now to load it in virtualbox [23:30] the ubuntu bits aren't in the current build [23:30] they're apparently coming in a short while to insiders [23:30] maybe weeks [23:31] i couldn't coax 10586 to find the 14xxx build when set to 'fast ring' [23:31] so i said 'meh' [23:31] there's a suggestion that the availability will be announced at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html [23:31] wrong link [23:31] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/ [23:53] ^-- me like