[01:17] <diddledan> doobley do
[01:17]  * diddledan fancies some cheese
[01:18]  * diddledan wanders off to get some cheese
[01:19]  * diddledan returns with some cheese
[01:20] <diddledan> gotta love some cheese
[01:20] <daftykins> mmhmm
[01:28]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the crackers
[01:29] <daftykins> oh, no, diddledan has plenty of that ;D
[01:33] <diddledan> crackers? I don't mind if I do! blablabloowoooweeeblablathrupt
[01:34] <diddledan> (no that's not a modem!)
[01:34]  * zmoylan-pi opens a different pack of crackers for those that don't want pre dribbled ones...
[01:34] <diddledan> dribbledan?
[01:34] <daftykins> is it "our jobs to anyone not technically inclined" ?
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> i hope jupiter is insured... http://boingboing.net/2016/03/29/something-may-have-just-struck.html
[02:01] <diddledan> someone is bombarding it with a mass driver
[04:07] <diddledan> oh dear, I just blogged for the first time in forever
[06:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:47] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:53] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[06:53] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon
[06:54] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[06:55] <MooDoo> it's hump day so can't complain
[06:55] <brobostigon> :)
[07:37] <MooDoo> off to the nottingham forest football ground tonight....football is the one where you use a cue right?
[08:35] <MooDoo> finally you can have unity launcher at the bottom :D
[08:36] <MooDoo> and you know what?   not sure if i like it lol :)
[08:37] <SuperMatt> hahah
[08:37] <MooDoo> :)
[09:00] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: is it easy to enable?
[09:02] <popey> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[09:02] <popey> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Left
[09:02] <popey> SuperMatt: ^
[09:03] <SuperMatt> ah yes, I see
[09:03] <SuperMatt> very easy
[09:06] <mapps> does everyone do coke in gib? what going on
[09:06] <mapps> its an absolute joke
[09:07] <mapps> 3 guys in a toilet at brunos.....that says it all
[09:08] <mapps> i was prob the oldest person in brunos
[09:08] <SuperMatt> when a night's worth of coke can be cheaper than beer, it's not surprise
[09:08] <mapps> its all free for me;p
[09:08] <mapps> i put my drinks on tab
[09:08] <mapps> lol
[09:12] <SuperMatt> was this a company tab?
[09:13] <mapps> no mine
[09:14] <mapps> i go there 3-5xa week
[09:14] <mapps> by where i work
[09:14] <SuperMatt> right, but you do intend to pay this tab right? It's not free...
[09:15] <mapps> yyes, free for now
[09:15] <mapps> i pay every month
[09:16] <SuperMatt> oh good
[09:16] <SuperMatt> I just wouldn't fall in to the trap of convincing yourself it's free
[09:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! 😃
[09:22] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:23] <JamesTait> 👋  MooDoo
[09:43] <MooDoo> seen this ? http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/
[09:46] <popey> Oooh! The "Microsoft are buying Canonical" rumour has been kicked off again
[09:47] <MooDoo> it wasn't that bad popey ;)
[10:07] <foobarry> not surprising given the public relationship canonical and MS are having
[11:20] <awilkins> Anyone here claimed PPI?
[11:27] <DJones> Yay, back home at last
[11:34] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Considered it, but not done it yet
[11:39] <Myrtti> awilkins: a friend works in a bank and all you need is in theory your name, but more information you can give them helps them. If it's about a joint mortgage or loan, then complain together so it'll be researched properly. Banks should have forms on their sites to fill up, or you can write a letter yourself.
[11:39] <Myrtti> (I've got nothing to my own name in UK but have followed up some discussions)
[11:53] <MooDoo> awilkins: yeah wife has
[11:54] <awilkins> I've got a form from the FCA I'm filling in
[11:54] <awilkins> Basically an endowment plan with a "Critical illness cover"
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: My endowment claim went nowhere. Gutted
[13:09] <TwistedLucidity> Be lucky if it covers ~50% of what it was supposed to (high risk investment when I'd asked for low)
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> Endowment company ignored letters, FCA (or whatever it was called back then) said they could not help
[13:13] <diddledan> wow, MooDoo , popey , that's some serious leaping to conclusions based on the name of a single dll file.
[13:14] <popey> wat wat?
[13:14] <diddledan> popey: the Microsoft/canonical article that MooDoo posted at 10:32
[13:14] <diddledan> 10:43
[13:14] <popey> oh
[13:14] <popey> yeah, fun
[13:15] <diddledan> the file is lxss.dll obviously that means Linux....
[13:15] <MooDoo> oh that was old news, i thought it was about the getting ubuntu running on windows 10 article
[13:16] <diddledan> MooDoo: it's the same story
[13:16] <MooDoo> think it's being announce at build 2016, but i'll believe it when i see it
[13:16] <MooDoo> diddledan: ah! doh!
[13:17] <MooDoo> diddledan: I'm sure popey wouldn't mind working for Microsoft any way ;)
[13:17] <diddledan> MooDoo: the article you posted links to another at winbeta that talks of lxss.dll meaning that Linux is coming to windows
[13:17] <MooDoo> right
[13:18] <diddledan> lxss obviously means Linux subsystem.... there's no other reason for l and x to appear together
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[13:18] <ndf> ... totally right though
[13:18] <ndf> lol
[13:21] <ndf> I may be missing the joke here but isn't Microsoft really trying to run Adnroid apps on Windows and vice versa?
[13:22] <diddledan> they abandoned the android bridge
[13:22] <ndf> oh
[13:24] <ndf> why is that? I was under the impression that it would have been a simpler system to implement than cygwin or whatever
[13:26] <popey> diddledan: MooDoo I can't see MS "buying" Canonical
[13:26] <diddledan> I don't think canonical would agree anyway
[13:26] <ndf> unfortunately in business you don't have to 'agree' to be bought
[13:26] <diddledan> at least I would hope Jane would refuse such a purchase
[13:27] <popey> Sure you do
[13:27] <popey> We're a privately held company
[13:28] <ndf> I meant once there's public shares involved, anyway
[13:29] <diddledan> yeah, hostile takeovers can only occur with public stock where there's the possibility of one entity buying themselves a majority share - of course if Mark owned 51% of the shares of a theoretical public canonical then that would be impossible anyway
[13:30] <ndf> ah yeah i see
[13:32] <diddledan> (yey for GCSE business studies :-p)
[13:33] <ndf> haha I actually got a B in BS, but I have forgotten a fair bit
[13:33] <diddledan> ditto on the forgotten, and I think I got C
[13:33] <diddledan> BS = Bull Poo
[13:33] <diddledan> :-p
[13:34] <ndf> hah yea
[13:34] <ndf> ooh phone call
[13:34] <diddledan> yey
[13:34] <ndf> mmmm buds are in lol back soon
[13:40] <knightwise> yezzz :) `
[13:40] <knightwise> removed Windows 10 from my Acer revo, reinstalled 14.04 , its runnign smoothly :)
[13:41] <MooDoo> windows 10 runs quite smooth on my dell, i only removed it as my AV license is due to expire and i don't want to pay out £50 :D
[13:41] <MooDoo> and i don't like the other free ones
[13:52] <knightwise> MooDoo: the machine is mostly used as a file server and a plex server
[13:52] <knightwise> win10 ran fine indeed (Im also running it on my surface pro)
[13:52] <MooDoo> :)
[13:53] <diddledan> I'm currently in win10
[13:53] <diddledan> I hop back and forth between 10 and buntu every other day :-p
[13:53] <MooDoo> I remove it from my laptop, now i'm running ubuntu LTS
[13:54] <MooDoo> well the beta
[13:54] <MooDoo> tried moving ubuntu to the bottom, didn't like it lol
[13:54] <MooDoo> unity launcher i meant lol
[13:54] <diddledan> yeah, 16.04 is close enough now that it's fairly stable
[13:55] <MooDoo> works for me :)  virtualbox couple of vms sweet
[13:55] <MooDoo> i prefer command line stuff so command line music player as well :D
[13:56] <knightwise> same here :)
[13:56] <knightwise> ranger + vms
[13:57] <knightwise> diddledan: thought about cramming 16.04 on the machine but since its our main entertainment center (plex) i had to be sure it was rocksolid
[13:57] <diddledan> I hear that!
[13:58] <diddledan> also, plex ftw
[13:58] <MooDoo> knightwise: i use moc as my music player :)
[14:22] <ndf> MooDoo: what currency is lb? or was that supposed to be a pound? (I understand the origins of lb ;P )
[14:23] <ndf> I read it as 50lbs as a weight
[14:23] <ndf> lol
[14:23] <ndf> let me know if you find an AV that takes subscription payments in weights of meat
[14:31] <MooDoo> lol what ever i put i meant £50
[14:33] <ndf> yeah but what do you mean, £50?
[14:33] <ndf> what is lb?
[14:37] <MooDoo> oh don't you see the currency symbol for sterling / money / pounds MONEY
[14:37] <MooDoo> 50 quid
[14:39] <ndf> i'm seeing lb, not £
[14:39] <ndf> you're typing lb
[14:39] <ndf> not £
[14:40] <MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol £ maybe it's irssi showing it wrong
[14:40] <ndf> "15:40 < MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol lb maybe it's irssi showing it wrong"
[14:40] <ndf> >the symbol lb
[14:41] <ndf> I think it's your input - I'm on irssi and having no trouble seeing my '£' symbol
[14:41] <MooDoo> i'm on irssi too :)
[14:41] <ndf> then are you seeing me saying 'lb' instead of '£'?
[14:41] <MooDoo> HAY ALL What you seeing when I type £ ?
[14:42] <Myrtti> £ sign
[14:42] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:42] <ndf> "15:42 < Myrtti> lb sign"
[14:42] <ndf> is what I'm seeing on you too
[14:43] <ndf> is that a joke?
[14:43] <ndf> lol
[14:43] <Myrtti> then you might have your UTF8 settings wrong
[14:43] <ndf> ... but I'm seeing my own '£'
[14:43] <ndf> just not yours
[14:43] <Myrtti> well, I'm seeing yours and my own
[14:43] <ndf> admittedly I am running irssi-win so it's on cygwin in cmd
[14:43] <Myrtti> there you go then.
[14:44] <Myrtti> irssi on cygwin is an unholy mess
[14:44] <ndf> but if it was a UTF problem, wouldn't I just be seeing an unrecognised char rather than the two ascii chars for 'l', and 'b'?
[14:44] <ndf> ascii 'lb' != UTF-8 '£'
[14:45] <Myrtti> hence the word 'might'
[14:45] <ndf> well this is all sorts of borked
[14:45] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:45] <ndf> it's offending my mind
[14:45] <MooDoo> Myrtti: you shruggin ;)
[14:45] <Myrtti> yup
[14:45] <MooDoo> :)
[14:46] <ndf> I'm just seeing escape codes in that, I don't know if they're translating on your end but they're not here
[14:46] <MooDoo> looks fine to me :)
[14:46] <ndf> ohrly
[14:47]  * ndf hears a joke whooshing over his head
[14:48] <Myrtti> https://imgur.com/JbgQ2wB
[14:48] <ndf> well holy crap
[14:48] <ndf> hah
[14:49] <MooDoo> :)
[14:49] <MooDoo> Myrtti: are your times stardate or something? ;)
[14:49] <Myrtti> UTC
[14:49] <ndf> haha
[14:49] <MooDoo> oh doh of course, silly me
[14:49] <Myrtti> makes my life easier when discussing logs with the rest
[14:56] <ndf> well I can't beleive I've never had a conversation containing a £ or other UTF symbols before.. surprised I've not noticed that before.
[14:57] <Myrtti> just out of interest
[14:57] <Myrtti> how does äö display to you?
[14:57] <ndf> 15:57 < Myrtti> how does "a"o display to you?
[14:57] <ndf> do you have that in ascii? what was it?
[14:57] <ndf> lol
[14:58] <ndf> ... or another screeny?
[14:58] <Myrtti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%84
[14:58] <Myrtti> lowercase a and o with diaresis
[14:59] <ndf> haha so apparently prefixing with " is as good as an umlaut/diaresis
[15:00] <ndf> this conversion must be coded by irssi or cygwin, I can't imagine cmd having that sort of switching for unrecognised symbols
[15:01] <ndf> cmd usually just doesn't print them or let you paste them in
[15:01] <ndf> in fact
[15:01] <ndf> I can't even paste in the dotted A from wikipedia
[15:01] <ndf> into here
[15:02] <ali1234> cygwin comes with it's own terminal emulator because command.com is awful
[15:02] <ndf> irssi is packaged with a stripped down version of putty, but also a cmd launcher (which I am using)
[15:02] <ndf> (irssi-win, that is)
[15:04] <ndf> [meaning you can either run it in cygwin's terminal, or cmd]
[15:05] <ndf> [or putty]
[16:12] <diddledan> WTF
[16:12] <diddledan> popey: ubuntu. really IS coming to windows
[16:12] <diddledan> just announced it at build
[16:13] <ali1234> of course it is
[16:13] <ndf> saywhuuuut
[16:15] <daftykins> well, Bash and binaries ;D
[16:15] <diddledan> yeah
[16:16]  * daftykins browses /mnt/c/ ;)
[16:16] <popey> :)
[16:16] <daftykins> error: path too long
[16:17] <ali1234> the question is what is it actually good for?
[16:17] <diddledan> ali1234: EVERYTHING I currently use Cygwin for!
[16:18] <ali1234> okay, but i haven't used cygwin since 2001?
[16:19] <daftykins> i don't think we were aware you use Windows for dev
[16:20] <daftykins> next step, package management ;)
[16:20] <ali1234> it won't be of any use for actual windows users
[16:20] <daftykins> i'm no dev but i'm sure things like that would make dealing with open source things more easily
[16:20] <daftykins> ali1234: right, but it's a dev event...
[16:20] <ali1234> exactly
[16:21] <ali1234> so this is aimed at developers who for some reason want to develop software for ubuntu even though they use windows?
[16:21] <daftykins> perhaps you can wait for the next consumer devices event and say it's rubbish for devs, too
[16:21] <daftykins> doesn't have anything to do with ubuntu specifically, i would say
[16:21] <ali1234> oh sorry. this is for developers who want to write software for *linux* even though they use windows exclusively
[16:21] <ali1234> i guess that's... well, maybe some game developers?
[16:22] <ali1234> but probably not, i mean you'd want to test it on the real thing anyway
[16:22] <daftykins> you're just embarassing yourself commenting without following along
[16:23] <ali1234> oh, are they explaining exactly what the use case is?
[16:23] <ali1234> maybe you could tell me then, instead of being a dick?
[16:25] <daftykins> diddledan: crikey that guy is sat on a tire
[16:25] <daftykins> ali1234: either watch it first hand or later.
[16:25] <daftykins> if being a dick is saying you're silly for commenting without knowing the facts, i don't have a problem with that.
[16:27] <popey> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html has the details.
[16:44] <ndf> but..
[16:44] <ndf> this is crazy
[16:46] <ndf> ok I'm impressed, didn't want to admit it
[16:51] <ndf> so essentially what I took away from the article was that it was the inverse of WINE... is it comparable?
[16:51] <popey> yes
[16:53] <daftykins> native SSH and SCP will be fun
[16:54] <ndf> hm
[16:54] <popey> yeah, and being able to run the usual bash scripts with awk / sed / tee etc without jumping through too many hoops
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> How is it different from what I can already use (msys2 that comes with git, for instance, has most tools as well)
[17:00] <daftykins> well the above article implies bringing over the package management as well, perhaps - unless i'm reading between the lines
[17:01] <daftykins> keeping those Canonical-sourced binaries up to date would be neat
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: msys2 (the standalone one) comes with pacman
[17:02] <daftykins> is it pulling specific builds of programs then?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, I think so
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> well msys2 is, anyway
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> DLLs and exes
[17:04] <daftykins> mmm, not quite so easy then
[17:05] <daftykins> diddledan: nothing like a joke flopping
[17:08] <diddledan> I've had to pause the stream cos I've gone round the parentals
[17:08] <daftykins> ah
[17:17] <diddledan> Just read the post popey linked at half five.. Interesting! It is the same binaries!!!?!
[17:17] <popey> yes
[17:37] <ali1234> all very impressive, but what problem does it solve?
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> the problem of developers leaving Windows behind
[17:47] <ali1234> that's my interpretation too
[17:47] <ali1234> essentially this seems to be aimed squarely at the type of people who buy a mac because it comes with ssh pre-installed
[17:48] <ali1234> buy a mac over windows i mean
[17:50] <daftykins> i work cross-platform and i think it makes the CLI tools i use more native in a way
[17:52] <ali1234> it certainly gives you a consistent environment
[17:52] <ali1234> if it is the exact same binaries
[17:52] <ali1234> is it cli only?
[17:53] <ali1234> dustin kirkland claims it will run most of the stuff in the repos
[17:53] <ali1234> "most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives"
[17:53] <ali1234> were the exact words
[17:54] <ali1234> maybe that will be done through mir
[17:54] <ali1234> would be funny. essentially locking out all other distros
[17:54] <ali1234> now that really would cause some drama
[17:55] <ali1234> as i understand it this thing is an extension of the windows 10 android app compatibility
[17:55] <ali1234> and of course mir is designed to run on android graphics drivers... which windows provides an emulated version of presumably
[19:53] <ali1234> seems like everyone is convinced that this is only for cli tools
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> evolution will kill outlook... :-)
[19:56] <popey> for now it is
[19:56] <ali1234> for now :)
[19:56] <popey> heh
[19:56] <ali1234> if mir can run on android hardware drivers i see no reason why it can't run on (whatever remains) of project astoria
[19:57] <daftykins> i thought that was an app converter
[19:58] <ali1234> no, it's (was) a "platform bridge"
[19:58] <ali1234> it's where the adss.sys/lxss.sys stuff comes from
[19:58] <ali1234> adss = android subsystem
[19:59] <ali1234> but they cancelled it last month
[19:59] <ali1234> the benefits of having solid command line tools are clear... for microsoft
[19:59] <ali1234> it will stop devops people migrating to OS X
[20:00] <ali1234> and to a lesser extent ubuntu
[20:00] <ali1234> so i don't see what canonical gets from the deal if it's only command line
[20:01] <ali1234> if it lets ubuntu (mobile) apps run on windows though... then that's a very different proposition
[20:04] <ali1234> so can anyone be a windows insider and download this?
[20:04] <ali1234> is it gonna cost me anything?
[20:05] <daftykins> yeah anyone can, no money
[20:05] <daftykins> just the whole having a Microsoft account to run it
[20:05] <ali1234> i already have two
[20:05] <daftykins> plus allegedly the insider versions log keystrokes
[20:05] <ali1234> i'm not going to use it for anything other than kicking the tyres :)
[20:06] <popey> heh
[20:07] <ali1234> the download page seems to suggest i need a licensed copy of windows already to install
[20:09] <daftykins> it was a straight ISO last time i did it
[20:09] <ali1234> yes it is, but is it gonna ask me for a serial when i boot it up?
[20:09] <daftykins> no because it's insider.
[20:10] <ali1234> i built my own computer, it does not have any kind of windows license or OEM bios stuff
[20:10] <daftykins> official retail 10 ISOs downloaded also do not require keys to install
[20:10] <daftykins> nor the last few versions
[20:10] <ali1234> really? wow
[20:10] <ali1234> no activation?
[20:10] <daftykins> well all the non-insider stuff goes to 30 day trial by default
[20:13] <daftykins> looks like they stopped hosting ISOs directly :/ how disappointing
[20:13] <daftykins> ah no i'm not in the right place
[20:21] <daftykins> yep they've made it tough to get!
[21:07] <directhex> the iso download only works from linux/osx
[21:07] <directhex> on windows, it gives you a .exe which does the downloading
[21:07] <daftykins> they seem to have pulled image links entirely
[21:07] <daftykins> oh are you saying you see a different page depending what you're viewing from?
[21:15] <ali1234> i definitely got a direct link to an iso from the insider page
[21:15] <ali1234> still hasn't downloaded though
[21:15] <ali1234> MS needs a better CDN
[21:17] <daftykins> heh
[21:17] <daftykins> might be that viewing it from 10 was limiting me
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> oculus face... http://www.popsci.com/oculus-face-is-sign-our-virtual-times
[22:48] <ndf> MooDoo / Myrtti : if either of you are around would you care to hit me with some more UTF-8 symbols again? lol
[22:48] <ndf> or anyone else could do it I guess lol
[22:48] <Myrtti> äö ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ £€
[22:48] <Myrtti> ♥
[22:48] <ndf> ah still the same
[22:48] <ndf> haha
[22:48] <ndf> never mind
[22:49] <ndf> I launched it in putty this time to see if it was any different
[22:49] <ndf> (cygterm)
[22:51] <ndf> aha I think I may have fixed it
[22:51] <ndf> once more please Myrtti ;P
[22:51] <Myrtti> ♥ €£ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ äöå
[22:51] <ndf> hm halfway fixed
[22:52] <ndf> probably requires restart of putty
[22:52] <Myrtti> (deg)
[22:52] <Myrtti> °
[22:52] <Myrtti> there we go
[22:52] <ndf> lol ty sorry for wasting your time ;P
[22:55] <m0nkey_> :)
[23:14] <ali1234> okay the download finished. now to load it in virtualbox
[23:30] <diddledan> the ubuntu bits aren't in the current build
[23:30] <diddledan> they're apparently coming in a short while to insiders
[23:30] <diddledan> maybe weeks
[23:31] <daftykins> i couldn't coax 10586 to find the 14xxx build when set to 'fast ring'
[23:31] <daftykins> so i said 'meh'
[23:31] <diddledan> there's a suggestion that the availability will be announced at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html
[23:31] <diddledan> wrong link
[23:31] <diddledan> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/
[23:53] <m0nkey_> ^-- me like