[10:16] <zequence> I made a couple of more concept wallpapers based on my idea of the colors, if anyone would like to see. one with the CoF, one without.
[10:16] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/jxd1yFMaxbG9gvx
[10:16] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/iTCy1WPBD4xYz5M
[10:17] <zequence> These are partly inspired by Ubuntu vanilla artwork, I suppose
[10:22] <cfhowlett> interesting concept
[10:43] <zequence> cfhowlett: madeinkobaia is working on something, so we will probably be using his wallpaper in the end
[10:44] <zequence> I do like to prepare for the possibility that that doesn't work out for whatever reason
[10:44] <cfhowlett> fair enough!
[10:44] <cfhowlett> as the last new wallpaper came out with 14.04, I am expecting great things!
[10:44] <zequence> Yeah :)
[12:15] <zequence> Same two, with improved coloring. Very quick job, still.
[12:15] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/8GU8kUR08GvKHZJ
[12:15] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/WMXWUZ8Qo6YUhxl
[12:15] <zequence> ..meaning, I could do a lot more to improve it.
[12:18] <sakrecoer_> zequence, it doesn't beat your first proposal...
[12:20] <sakrecoer_> i see an attempt to match the fold-line thing that seems to be in the air of most flavours. but transparent orange on blue = beige :/
[12:21] <sakrecoer_> down that line, i'd take your first proposal, and give it some volume by adding shades with those fold-lines, rather than mix the colors like that.
[12:22] <sakrecoer_> (also, i'm momentarily locked out of my irssi, so i can't read backlog, in case i missed something)
[12:41] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I said earlier about madeinkobaia dropping by
[12:41] <zequence> He's working on a wallpaper as well
[12:41] <sakrecoer_> i saw that! it's great!
[12:42] <sakrecoer_> read the discussion yesterday, before i got locked out
[12:42] <zequence> ok
[12:42] <sakrecoer_> i've sort of made a proposal too, but i'm not ready to show it yet..
[12:42] <zequence> interesting
[12:43] <sakrecoer_> it's a tile... so it would work in the scenario OvenWerk1 mentioned: picture over 2 displays
[12:44] <sakrecoer_> i think i have asked before, but do we have the source files for the icons for the workflows somewhere?
[12:45] <zequence> Hmm, the icons were worked at by someone originally, who only was with us for a short while. 
[12:45] <zequence> I made some changes to some of them
[12:45] <zequence> IT's a bit messy in that regard
[12:45] <zequence> I would redo them all from scratch rather than improve on them
[12:45] <sakrecoer_> ok :)
[12:45] <sakrecoer_> i guess its a bit late for that tho...
[12:46] <zequence> Not totally
[12:46] <sakrecoer_> for xenial i mean..
[12:46] <sakrecoer_> ok! cool!
[12:46] <sakrecoer_> speaking of that, how are we doing on the website front?
[12:46] <zequence> Needs to be done within a couple of weeks
[12:46] <zequence> I haven't done anything to the website yet. Waiting until all other things are out of the way
[12:46] <cfhowlett> You know, refreshing and perfecting our art might be a worthy 10 year anniversary project
[12:47] <zequence> Also, considering madeinkobaia made a return, it may be wise to have him do some work on it
[12:47] <sakrecoer_> ok, i will try to spend as much time as possible on the website this week, unless it is superflous, as in zequence or knome being at it
[12:47] <zequence> There's no hurry with the website
[12:48] <sakrecoer_> zequence, yes, that would be great. although he specified in a private email to me that he wouldn't be able to do much until may
[12:48] <zequence> We don't need to have that done for the release. We can do that later, if we want
[12:48] <sakrecoer_> cfhowlett, good point!
[12:48] <zequence> I'm not counting on madeinkobaia having time at all, tbh. But, it would be cool if he had
[12:49] <sakrecoer_> i'll ping him by email, see if i can stimulate some motivation in the french part of his persona :D
[12:52] <zequence> sakrecoer_: Any theming changes do need to be done inside two weeks. One would be much preferable.
[12:52] <zequence> So, consider that one week
[12:55] <zequence> Final Freeze is as stated by knome most probably on Monday, 10th. To get stuff uploaded, it would be good to have it done in one week, so there is time to poke someone to let the packages through before Final Freeze
[12:55] <zequence> So, wednesday in one week is a good last day for uploads
[12:55] <zequence> After that, we can still get bug fixes through
[12:56] <zequence> Theming is less of a deal than introducing new features. I think we will be forgiven for being so late with that
[12:57] <zequence> sakrecoer_: The orange could use a boost, yes. I think I used the same orange as before. Could use something a bit more warm
[13:03] <cfhowlett> and a bit of official ubuntustudio blue somewhere?  yes?
[13:04] <zequence> cfhowlett: I use it as one of the color areas, as well as a fundamental color behind everything, but with added darkening above the sense of the hue changes a bit
[13:05] <zequence> ..if we're talking about my wallpaper.
[13:05] <zequence> We will definitely use it for our website
[13:26] <zequence> krytarik: Do the changes you feel are appropriate. I'll just review before doing an upload, making sure nothing gets undone that was there for a purpose
[13:27] <krytarik> Yep.
[13:52] <zequence> The purple turned into dark blue. Did some smudging of the colors too. I like these pretty much
[13:52] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/9VykT3nOXg8H70o
[13:52] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/Sfh0TJoHPY19iR0
[13:53] <zequence> The orange is a lot more defined
[14:06] <OvenWerk1> knome: has xubuntu had much in the way of comments about whisker?
[14:06] <OvenWerk1> knome: (from users)
[14:42] <zequence> OvenWerk1: FYI krytarik may change some menu stuff now in -default-settings. Syncing some more with Xubuntu
[14:59] <zequence> Actually, I just realized my screen brightness is really low, so the wallpapers are skewed, but anyway
[15:00] <OvenWerk1> zequence: your walpapers are fine by me. The bit that I read of what krytarik wants to do makes sense to me too.
[15:02] <OvenWerk1> zequence: the reason I am asking about whisker, is that everyone I have installed xubuntu for has asked me to remove it. These are generally very casual desktop users.
[15:46] <sakrecoer_> i am affraid i have to disaprove that wallpaper proposal zequence. By taste, sure, but also in terms of color code. We are not a corporation, sure, but it is inconsistent with our "corporate identitiy"
[15:46] <sakrecoer_> the first one you did was great tho
[15:46] <sakrecoer_> that one from several weeks ago
[15:47] <sakrecoer_> and risking sounding like a partypooping grandpa, OvenWerk1 i guess i agree with your everyone :(
[15:47] <sakrecoer_> i realy like the input field of the whisker, but it basically reminds me of how cool of a GUI a terminal is
[15:48] <sakrecoer_> maybe disabling "hover shows item" would make it better... as is now, i find it hard to aim. 
[15:49] <sakrecoer_> to click an app, with hovering enabled, you need to move the cursor out without leaving the category space, which isn't very large
[15:49] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I don't know if you notices, but the new wallpaper is based on the same idea as the one before. The purple was accidentally made blue, but this is just work in progress
[15:49] <sakrecoer_> zequence, yeah i noticed. but in terms of result, its on a hole different level
[15:51] <sakrecoer_> my irssi is back, i'll jump into it
[15:51] <zequence> I wouldn't use the wallpaper graphics for a universal color code. It's a bit too "artistic" for that, which is fine I think for a wallpaper anyhow
[15:51] <zequence> I do think it's important that it is fairly neutral
[15:52] <zequence> Right now, it's a little too colorful, because of my screen setting
[15:52] <sakrecoer> sure, however, the green in the left hand space? and the beige in the lowerright? common... maybe if i didn't know how much better you can do
[15:52] <zequence> The green refers to our publishing subcategory
[15:52] <sakrecoer> which is gone...
[15:53] <zequence> No, it's not a main category, but it's still there
[15:53] <sakrecoer> anyways, if i didn't know you can do better, i would write you the same, but with silk gloves on
[15:53] <sakrecoer> :D
[15:53] <zequence> Anyway, some artistic freedom is acceptable, I think
[15:53] <zequence> Using the pure colors doesn't work. It just looks terrible
[15:53] <sakrecoer> also, sure, publishing category. but as far as i know, it is not toxic green that we use for that :D
[15:54] <zequence> Unless putting them in smaller spaces of the full image.
[15:54] <sakrecoer> zequence: i think your first proposition is the bomb
[15:54] <sakrecoer> just ad some shading along those axes you put on the second, on top of the first and SMASH
[15:55] <zequence> Wish I had more skills :P
[15:56] <zequence> The logic is like this: since the background needs to a bit dark, the colors can be changed so that they still remind you of the color concept, but like in shadows
[15:56] <zequence> The blue in the middle does need to be purple though
[15:56] <zequence> And, what you call "beige" is actually quite orange now, towards brown and with blue/greyness in midst of it. It's not beige
[16:02] <sakrecoer> there is nothing wrong with your skills zequence, on the contrary. i find them remarkable given i don't think you've been to artschool
[16:03] <sakrecoer> maybe if hadn't done such a great first proposal in the first place...
[16:03] <zequence> No, I hardly ever do any artwork at all. Hardly know how to use the tools. Very limiting, which is why I'd rather have other people do it, like madeinkobaia.
[16:04] <zequence> The first one is ok. For some reason though, it makes me think of one of the classic OSX wallpapers.
[16:04] <zequence> An old one, by now
[16:05] <zequence> This one is hardly original either. But, timeless and neutral is the best
[16:06] <sakrecoer> let me combine both of your proposal to show you what i mean
[16:08] <zequence> I intentionally made the proportions uneven. Doesn't need to be like that, but I do prefer that. A bit trickier with only three colors
[16:08] <zequence> ..which is why I added some extra, just to fill it out
[16:09] <zequence> The green is just there to make it a bit more full. ALl these colors make me think of HBQT stuff, which is not so bad, but I'm not really educated on that stuff. Doesn't Libre have a color scheme too?
[16:28] <sakrecoer> zequence: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/zequence_combined.png
[16:28] <sakrecoer> its a rough scetch, just bent your image in blender
[16:28] <sakrecoer> *sketch even
[16:28] <sakrecoer> to illustrate what i meant by fold-lines used on the first proposal
[16:29] <zequence> sakrecoer: Not bad. First impression is that the angles are off, but the feel of it works for me
[16:29] <zequence> I'd probably put the lower center more to the left, to make the center feel more centered
[16:29] <zequence> I mean, the lower point - where the lines meet
[16:30] <zequence> I'd put that further to the left
[16:30] <zequence> Or, something similar. I can't really tell
[16:43] <krytarik> zequence: Ok, so this is what I got so far - maybe check before I push to branch: http://paste.openstack.org/show/8f8EM4njPo9FtDMf5yZ3/
[16:47] <zequence> krytarik: Good work on the translations, btw :)
[16:47] <krytarik> Well,... LOL
[16:49] <zequence> kryten: Looks very good to me. Thanks for sorting that out
[16:50] <zequence> I would have known how to do the grammar in Finnish, no problem. Just the choice of words. I realize now that the biggest thing to worry about was where to add an "n", pretty much.
[16:50] <zequence> Anyway, looks fantastic to me
[18:03] <knome> OvenWerk1, a few, all positive