[08:14] <raul_> Hola
[08:14] <raul_> Hello
[20:44] <RoadRunner> keyboard layout question: my xubuntu before login shows a "en-CA" layout in panel but when I go into Keyboard layout this option isn't even in the list: only English (UK) and English (US). How/where do I fish en_CA out of?
[22:52] <RoadRunner> anybody around?
[23:03] <xubuntu77w> Hello everyone -- is the software center being replaced in the new LTS release?
[23:04] <xangua> Replaced with what?
[23:04] <xubuntu77w> gnome software center
[23:05] <xubuntu77w> I'm reffering to this article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3017152/linux/ubuntu-16-04-lts-will-dump-the-ubuntu-software-center-for-gnome-software.html
[23:06] <pleia2> yes
[23:06] <xubuntu77w> Thanks
[23:06] <pleia2> the beta images released on thursday have it
[23:06] <xubuntu77w> Now, is it the case that all changes to Ubuntu'
[23:06] <xubuntu77w> carry over to the derivative distros?
[23:06] <xangua> If you mean Xubuntu, that would imply it ships with more gnome dependencies
[23:07] <xubuntu77w> Yes
[23:08] <xubuntu77w> So the developers of Xubuntu essentially make interface changes to the Ubuntu releases by applying the XFCE environment?
[23:08] <pleia2> xubuntu77w: each flavor makes their own decision, we decided to use gnome software
[23:08] <xubuntu77w> I see
[23:08] <pleia2> interface, themes, different default packages, a lot goes into making an alternate flavor
[23:09] <xubuntu77w> Right, I understand that its much more complex than simply applying a new interface
[23:09] <xubuntu77w> Though I'm not very knowledgable about how that is done, as I am a very basic user
[23:10] <xubuntu77w> Thanks for the info
[23:10] <pleia2> you're welcome
[23:11] <xubuntu77w> Very excited about the new release. Would it be not smart to download the current beta release?
[23:11] <xubuntu77w> Or would you say it's stable enough
[23:11] <pleia2> xubuntu77w: you'll want to read the release announcement so you're aware of the known issues http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-beta-2/
[23:12] <pleia2> it's beta, so if you want a stable system, you should wait until the release :)
[23:12] <xubuntu77w> Thanks, will do
[23:12] <RoadRunner> pleia2: on the subject of flavors, have you, by any chance tried and can comment on using these themes with xubuntu http://nayk1982.deviantart.com/art/Greybird-dark-xfce-485266183 http://killhellokitty.deviantart.com/art/DeLoreanDark3-10-8-05232014-408652063
[23:12] <RoadRunner> ?
[23:13] <pleia2> RoadRunner: I haven't
[23:14] <xubuntu77w> Do you guys (the developers) work in conjunction with the Xfce team?
[23:14] <xubuntu77w> Or is xfce indepedent of xubuntu?
[23:15] <pleia2> some of the xubuntu developers are also xfce developers
[23:15] <pleia2> (and not everyone on our team is a "guy")
[23:15] <xubuntu77w> Right, my mistake
[23:17] <RoadRunner> pleia2: a keyboard layout question, if I may?
[23:17] <pleia2> RoadRunner: I saw your question earlier and I don't know the answer, sorry :\
[23:18] <RoadRunner> np
[23:19] <knome> my gut feeling is that those are installed with some default package
[23:21] <RoadRunner> knome: not certain which?
[23:22] <knome> nope, but i also have a gut feeling that if you remove that, you might be in problems
[23:22] <RoadRunner> remove the default keyboard layout?
[23:22] <knome> something like that
[23:23] <knome> but as i said, it's my gut feeling
[23:25] <RoadRunner> hmm, I didn't actually remove anything in Keyboard layout choices (just added one) but the only one that was visible there was English(US).  It's interesting, cause I am in Canada and somehow something new it even though its not a visible choice...
[23:28] <knome> RoadRunner, re: themes, the delorean one doesn't look like it supports recent gtk versions, and since the other is just a clone of greybird...
[23:29] <RoadRunner> I am running 14.04, which gtk version is in it?
[23:29] <knome> !info gtk-3.0 trusty
[23:32] <RoadRunner> knome: as I read delorean's requirements: gtk-3.10.* is supported
[23:33] <RoadRunner> and one guy in comments actually says he is using it with ubuntu 14.04
[23:35] <RoadRunner> also, any advice on how where I could learn how to customize greybird?
[23:35] <knome> ugh.
[23:35] <knome> well, the gtk documentation is not the best there is...
[23:36] <knome> and at this point, greybird is huge (and needs a SASS/sth rewrite)
[23:37] <RoadRunner> ok, if all I want is to have a light on dark look (reversal), are there specific areas in specific files you could just reffer me to?
[23:39] <knome> RoadRunner, unfortunately it isn't that trivial...
[23:40] <RoadRunner> it wasn't trivial under win either but I sorted it out (with some mentorship)...
[23:41] <knome> i guess i'm sorry to say it's likely even less trivial with gtk3 theming...
[23:42] <knome> this is OLD so i can't recommend it for daily usage, but https://github.com/shimmerproject/Blackbird might get you some idea of the scale of the opeartion
[23:43] <knome> note that greybird has been getting updates for a year longer, and even a year ago, blackbird wasn't "ready"
[23:44] <knome> it might get you somewhere though.
[23:44] <knome> and if you feel like helping out with greybird/blackbird, we do hang out on #shimmer and happily welcome new contributors
[23:49] <RoadRunner> so is Blackbird an attempt to go exactly in the direction I am talking about?
[23:50] <knome> it was/is supposed to be a dark theme with light text, yes
[23:51] <RoadRunner> so when you say its old, is there a newer source (as in latest code...)?
[23:51] <knome> greybird is "latest"
[23:51] <knome> blackbird is a fork of greybird
[23:51] <knome> and no, there is no newer code for blackbird than in that repository
[23:52] <knome> anyway, it's soon 3am and it's time to go to bed
[23:52] <knome> good night and good luck
[23:52] <knome> and maybe we'll see you contributing to the shimmer project :P
[23:52] <knome> -->
[23:52] <RoadRunner> thanks :)