[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:31] <soee> hmm i have amarok broken here @ work
[10:32] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15566702/
[10:34] <soee> why there is somethin with 15.10 in version in Xenial universe ppa ?
[10:34] <soee> 2:2.8.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2
[10:36] <soee> and is amarok maintained or just nobody cares about it anymore ? :)
[11:45] <clivejo> soee: ppa2 means it is coming from a PPA
[11:47] <clivejo> might been one of my test/experimental builds got installed by mistake?
[11:48] <soee> maybe, but it is removed and ubuntu wants to install version i shouldnt have now ?
[11:49] <clivejo> you remove all the PPA's and do apt update
[12:19] <soee> clivejo: i have removed almost al extra repos
[12:20] <soee> pff ok i had to remove amarok-common, im not sure why it was not removed with amarok :/
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:25] <BluesKaj> howdy all, again
[13:41] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
 Hello BluesKaj, soee - Friends 😃
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hi Sick_Rimmit
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[19:13] <sick_rimmit> Hello friends
[19:15] <clivejo> hi sick_rimmit
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> Hey clivejo how you doing ?
[19:16] <clivejo> not too bad
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> Alright at the Docs ?
[19:16] <clivejo> not what I wanted to hear, but Ill live!
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> I just revisitng MPM..
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> My Kubuntu 16.04 VM is dead
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> So I'm having to build another
[19:18] <clivejo> what happened it?
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> I had the Alpha, and I thought I'll just Upgrade it, but sddm blew up
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> No worries, downloading the 32bit beta2 I will use that
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> I love debchange, it puts up a Menu of editors with nano <----- easiest
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> lol
[19:24] <sick_rimmit> Do reckon I need to edit that libmuon stuff, or can I just bin it
[19:24] <clivejo> it doesnt seem to be building that any more
[19:25] <sick_rimmit> I'll bin and see what happens
[19:25] <clivejo> I removed it from the control file
[19:25] <clivejo> and doesnt seem to be missed
[19:26] <clivejo> just didnt remove the install and other files
[19:26] <sick_rimmit> I see libqapt listed in control so thats good
[19:26] <clivejo> yeah I added a dep on libqapt
[19:27] <clivejo> to make sure it pulls in the correct version
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> looks like you've specified libqapt-dev why does it depend on -dev versions
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> Is that for compiling it
[19:29] <clivejo> yeah, needs some dev files to build
[19:29] <clivejo> the dep on the the runtime lib
[19:30] <sick_rimmit> ah yes, I noted that further down, now makes sense
[19:31] <clivejo> one thing Im bit confused about is the -runtime package
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> is the runtime a supporting binary for libqapt
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> guessing of course
[19:32] <clivejo> well I thought it should provide the actual lib
[19:32] <clivejo> but it doesnt :/
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> hmm maybe a quick google for a definition of what a runtime file is
[19:33] <clivejo> its a package
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> I suspect it like a Java runtime
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> which just provides the base JVM for the code to run against
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> I'm still guessing
[19:34] <clivejo> yeah, but surely that should pull in the actual lib#
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> I thought that would be the other way round, the libqapt would specify a dep on runtime
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> ls
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> oops
[19:36] <sick_rimmit> does the /patches/series file specify how the build should run the patches and in what order
[19:36] <clivejo> yes
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> as the no-canonical-support patch is # out
[19:37] <clivejo> I did that
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> suggesting no run the patch
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> ?
[19:37] <clivejo> it seems to be a patch for debian 
[19:37] <clivejo> to remove ubuntu package info
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> Ah ok cool..
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> So I think i've got it ready
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> hmmm not quite xapian error
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> I have seen that myself
[19:39] <sick_rimmit> but am still building me beta2 vm to test
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> So here where I am at
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> mv /debian /muon/
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> dch
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> binned libmuon
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> I reckon I need to 
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> cd ../
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> tar the folder into blah_blah.debian.tar.xz
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> hmm then I dunno
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> maybe I debuild it
[19:43]  * sick_rimmit dives into man pages
[19:55] <mariogrip> what do you think about this: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html I think it's NOT good at all
[19:56] <mamarley> I agree.  Microsoft is just trying to eliminate the need for the Linux kernel and get everyone using a Linux-like userland on Windows.  After that, they can drop support for said userland and force everyone to start using whatever quasi-equivalent Microsoft has.
[19:56] <mamarley> A classic EEE maneuver.
[19:58] <mariogrip> for me it seems like canonical sponsoring his own grave
[19:59] <mariogrip> there own*
[19:59] <mamarley> To me, the move seems either incredibly naïve or monumentally stupid.
[20:00] <mariogrip> True!
[20:12] <BluesKaj> God forbid!
[20:16] <sick_rimmit> This Dustbin blokes a bit of a divy
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> He says it opens a cmd.exe console running Ubuntu's /bin/bash
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> Er.. like it's not ubuntu's
[20:18] <sick_rimmit> So really what it's saying is
[20:18] <sick_rimmit> you can go for Ubuntu brand gnu/linux
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> or you can go for Microsoft gnu/kernel32
[20:19] <mamarley> Pretty much.
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> Well it's nuts
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> The reason why windows is shit
[20:20] <mamarley> It's an EEE maneuver, that's what it is.
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> is because of its Kernel and Registry architecture
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> Plenty of the other stuff is good
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> They be smarter to do a MS Win10/Linux
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> or do what apple did and slot in BSD
[20:22] <mamarley> Microsoft is trying to capitalize on the (false, outdated) idea that Linux is hard to use and doesn't have good compatibility by making a product that has a Linux userland but on a Windows base.  If their ploy is successful, they will then drop support for the Linux userland, leaving people stuck on regular Windows.
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> Oh well very good for Microsoft..
[20:24] <sick_rimmit> Well I think we should do a Kubuntu BE release
[20:24] <mamarley> BE?
[20:24] <sick_rimmit> Kubuntu Business Edition
[20:25] <mamarley> What would that be?
[20:25] <sick_rimmit> Adding in KDE PIM, bundling Kolad, SuiteCRM, MoneyManager
[20:26] <mamarley> I think the maintainers are already too busy as it is.
[20:26] <sick_rimmit> Cool, so we need to get more maintainers.. simples
[20:26] <sick_rimmit> :-D
[20:29] <sick_rimmit> Well Dustins LinkedIn reads good, seems like a pretty cool dude
[20:53] <valorie> interesting news, eh?
[20:53] <valorie> would be good for linux users who have to run Win at work, to at least be able to work sanely and run linux applications
[20:53] <valorie> KDE wants all applications to run everywhere, already, so.....
[21:00] <sick_rimmit> Probably makes little difference, as most personal computing is done on Tablets, and Smart devices now
[21:00] <sick_rimmit> From MS point of view, they're late to the party with Cloud, and Linux runs like a pig on Azure
[21:01] <sick_rimmit> In big cloud enterprise, MS are struggling, with to compete with AWS, Softlayer, OpenStack etc...
[21:02] <valorie> I don't think this will make much difference to us as Kubuntu
[21:02] <sick_rimmit> We in the Free Software lands, just need to keep encouraging vendors like Dell, System76, Entroware to offer Linux as an pre-installed option
[21:02] <valorie> but it might make a diff to KDE upstream
[21:03] <valorie> sick_rimmit: amen, brother
[21:03] <sick_rimmit> Yes, there is opportunity here for KDE
[21:03] <valorie> my little zareason box is still ticking, years later
[21:03] <valorie> running latest plasma afaik (I gave it to my 11-year-old grand nephew)
[21:04] <sick_rimmit> At some point post 16.04 LTS release, I would like to open dialogues with System76 and Entroware to get Kubuntu added as an option
[21:04] <sick_rimmit> I will have those conversations in due course
[21:08] <sick_rimmit> I break for a vacation end of tomorrow, so I will vanish for a week
[21:08] <sick_rimmit> I will be back online on Weds 6th for Kubuntu Core Team, and Podcast
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> But otherwise its a week on no computers..
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> hmmm...
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> Wrestling with this one
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> gpg: skipped "Rick Timmis <rick-timmis@kubuntu.org>": secret key not available
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> I've googled, and done all that I thought would fix it
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Uploaded to keyserver
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> launchpad
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> removed old secrect keys
[21:16]  * ronnoc reads the above convo
[21:16] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha
[21:16]  * sick_rimmit Grins
[21:16] <sick_rimmit> Cracked it
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> It was my (nickname) being mismatched
[21:17] <ronnoc> That's a great idea sick_rimmit...Biz Edition, I mean...with Blue Systems providing paid support, if needed. Based on the latest LTS, etc. Me likey.
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> ronnoc: Cool glad you like the idea
[21:19] <ronnoc> I tried to use Ku here in the 'States at my company a few years back (no longer there now). As a result, I was invited to Camp KDE in San Diego that year
[21:19] <ronnoc> So I have a decent opinion on it's viablility
[21:19] <sick_rimmit> Of course we will need to rally more troops around Kubuntu first, to get the manpower
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> We did back in 2002 on RH9 KDE 3 on the desktop, using OpenOffice and Mobius ERP
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> 40 Workstations, £5 million enterprise, it was ACE
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> worked brilliantly
[21:20] <ronnoc> That's cool! I was gonna say in '02 RHL would likely have been the only game in town :D
[21:21] <ronnoc> For me, the key in my company was to use KDE Win as a gateway to KDE apps and, untimately, to Linux wherever possible
[21:21] <sick_rimmit> Mandrake, and SuSe were options
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> I really preferred SuSE but, the ERP system required us to use RedHat
[21:22] <ronnoc> So we could use KDE apps on Win machines that needed to be Win for some silly (read: proprietary) old, crusty programs
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> Anyways it was really cool, and I was well pleased with getting KDE desktops in business
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> Oh I have no interest in Windows at all, waste of space 
[21:23] <ronnoc> I should go on Youtube to see if I could find old SuSe w/ KDE 1,2.x :D
[21:23] <ronnoc> sick_rimmit: Me either but ofc the masses are not as enlightened as, say, you or I 
[21:24] <ronnoc> In business, you sometimes have to fight smaller battles and trust in incrimentalism to win at the end of the day
[21:25] <valorie> sick_rimmit: zareason added kubuntu for me, on request
[21:26] <valorie> ah, Blue Systems doesn't do support, afaik -- we have someone else on the website that does, however
[21:26] <ronnoc> Rosa Linux sells KDE workstation / Pro editions in Russia with paid support. I wonder how they're doing over there? Hmmm.
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> ls
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> oops
[21:27] <ronnoc> valorie: Thanks for correcting. IIRC we (Kubuntu) had offered support via Blue Sys a few years ago
[21:28] <valorie> nope, different company
[21:28] <valorie> they specialize in support
[21:28] <valorie> BS does development
[21:30] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: I think i have muon packaged
[21:30] <sick_rimmit> debuild -S give me 5 files in ../
[21:30] <sick_rimmit> debian.tar.xz
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> ppa3.dsc
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> pp3_source.build
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> ppa3_source.changes
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> orig.tar.gz
[21:34] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes... so now its time to break out the pbuilder magic sauce
[21:48] <vpinon> hello, I'm working on Kdenlive, and we are intensively preparing our 16.04 release...
[21:48] <sick_rimmit> Oh I really like Kdenlive
[21:48] <sick_rimmit> It's really good
[21:49] <vpinon> this time we have received much more testing than for any previous version
[21:49] <vpinon> +JB (main dev) dedicated much time to fix as many issues as possible
[21:49] <sick_rimmit> Yes I saw your PPA postings,
[21:49] <sick_rimmit> I'll be covering that on the Kubuntu Podcast next week
[21:50] <vpinon> as a result, I would like to know if it is still possible to switch to Kdenlive 16.04 on Xenial??
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> I don;'t believe we install it out of the box, users have to install it from Plasma-discover
[21:51] <vpinon> I know that we will receive complaints from many LTS & Mint users for 2 years, for problems we have fixed this last month :-\
[21:52] <vpinon> Yes, but the packages shipped on official Ubuntu repos?
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> So you want to have the latest release packaged instead of the old out of date one
[21:52] <vpinon> for iso's generiation yes it won't change anything
[21:53] <vpinon> old 15.12.3 is not that old, but 16.03.80 has many interesting fixes
[21:53] <vpinon> not easy to backport in pkg patches
[21:53] <sick_rimmit> OK, so probablu the quickest way would be to get the Kdenlive PPA's sponsored into the repo
[21:54]  * sick_rimmit guessing a little
[21:54] <vpinon> what's PPA sponsoring?
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> getting your build put into Ubuntu release repo
[21:55] <sick_rimmit> I think, 
[21:55] <vpinon> wow, what an honor :)
[21:55] <sick_rimmit> For a proper advice on this yofel would probably be the person to speak to
[21:56] <vpinon> european timezone?
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> Have you tried email a request to the devel list
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> yes 
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> let me look out that list for you 
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> 1 min
[21:57] <vpinon> I'm not subscribed and wanted to see opinions here
[21:57] <vpinon> thanks!
[21:57] <sick_rimmit> kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> Personally I think Kdenlive is ACE, I made all the videos on my YouTube channel with it
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> I have on the road map, for a demo / review on the Kubuntu Podcast some time later this year
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> Where I plan to show folks how to get started doing simple stuff with it
[21:59] <vpinon> thanks for compliments (should transmit to JB;) ) and for communication
[21:59] <vpinon> Please use & advise 16.04 ;)
[22:00] <sick_rimmit> Yes, and please mention to JB that if he or one of the Kdenlive community would like to come onto the Podcast and talk about it with us, we be really happy about that
[22:00] <vpinon> How does this work? (sorry never watched one /o\ )
[22:01] <vpinon> JB plans to go to RandaMeetings, maybe have a session there with other contributors ?
[22:01] <sick_rimmit> Either Google Hangouts, or we have a Big Blue Button video conference server where we run the show from
[22:01] <sick_rimmit> check out kubuntu.org/news BigBlurButton article
[22:02] <sick_rimmit> We're having an online party in BBB on 15th April too
[22:02] <sick_rimmit> those details are on the website
[22:02]  * sick_rimmit knows not what RandMeetings are
[22:03] <vpinon> Yes I've seen the BBB & party post
[22:03] <sick_rimmit> Perfect :-D
[22:03] <vpinon> RandaMeetings are organized by a fellow KDE events organizer
[22:03] <vpinon> in his village in Switzerland
[22:04] <vpinon> with ~50 KDE contributors (the biggest KDE sprint yearly)
[22:04] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha are they Physical meetings
[22:04] <sick_rimmit> OK.. that sounds great
[22:04] <vpinon> yes, sharing food, rooms etc!
[22:05] <sick_rimmit> How many days is the meeting for
[22:05] <vpinon> 1 week in June this year
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> Oh cool, well I am sure JB and Kdenlive will be really well received
[22:07] <sick_rimmit> It would be worth checking out FLOSS Weekly podcast
[22:07] <sick_rimmit> This has loads of listeners, part of the TWIT Network
[22:07] <sick_rimmit> have you heard of it ?
[22:09] <vpinon> no, I'm not so much connected ;)
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> Ah well google it, and go to their web page, there is info on how to get on the show
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> It's really very easy
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> You'll get a 45 minute interview with Randall Schwartz, author of Learning Pearl
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> and it would be such good PR fo Kdenlive
[22:14] <vpinon> OK, thanks for the advice!
[22:14] <sick_rimmit> most welcome
[22:15] <vpinon> your podcast could be a good warming up?
[22:15] <sick_rimmit> I will look into get 16.04 packaged,
[22:15] <sick_rimmit> Yes you'd be most welcome on the Podcast, drop back in here and catch me ovidiu-florin or ahoneybun
[22:16] <sick_rimmit> or in #kubuntu-podcast channel
[22:16] <vpinon> oh, and if you are interested in kdenlive life, we have our ~monthly IRC meeting, next date not decided yet
[22:16] <sick_rimmit> Where does that get announced ?
[22:19] <vpinon> kenlive.org
[22:19] <vpinon> ^W^W kdenlive.org
[22:19] <sick_rimmit> OK excellent
[22:26] <vpinon> thanks & bye sick_rimmit, have to leave!
[22:26] <sick_rimmit> Thanks for dropping by
[22:26] <sick_rimmit> see you bye bye
[22:44] <valorie> yay, vpinion was here! 
[22:44] <valorie> lovely
[22:44] <valorie> while I finished raking my front lawn
[22:44] <valorie> whole wheelbarrow full of fir cones, branches, etc.
[22:45] <valorie> I even did a bit of the side yard and driveway, go me!