[00:48] <Han> bjornar__, did they forget to strip it?
[06:07] <salamanderrake> https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/24ec786fe65c808c9453e1c08106bd89
[06:08] <salamanderrake> issues with nvidia
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: upgrade or clean install?
[06:10] <salamanderrake> sorry
[06:10] <salamanderrake> upgrade
[06:10] <salamanderrake> dist-upgrade
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: from 15.10?
[06:10] <salamanderrake> no
[06:10] <salamanderrake> in 16.04
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> ?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: wich version did you have before 16.04
[06:11] <salamanderrake> I did a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:11] <salamanderrake> 16.04
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> so its a clean install, and you updated to latest
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: wich grahics card chipset and driver loaded please?
[06:12] <salamanderrake> no not a clean install
[06:12] <salamanderrake> nvidia 960
[06:12] <salamanderrake> with nvidia-361 drivers
[06:13] <salamanderrake> well it was a clean install
[06:13] <salamanderrake> but this is after several updates
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> upgrade means, from one version to another
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: you just stayed on 16.04 and updated to latest
[06:14] <salamanderrake> yeah
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:14] <salamanderrake> but its called dist-upgrade
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !dist-upgrade
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> so you are already on the new version of ubuntu
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> anyway...
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: what other drivers showup your additional drivers section?
[06:16] <salamanderrake> what do you mean?
[06:17] <salamanderrake> oh to be fair, I forgot to mention, these are not official drivers
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: did the drivers by default not work good?
[06:17] <salamanderrake> there are from here, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[06:18] <salamanderrake> no vulkan support with the default drivers
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: did you try them all?
[06:18] <salamanderrake> not yet
[06:18] <salamanderrake> but nvidia-361/364 and nouveau will not load
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: well i would advise to test all default ubuntu drivers, showing up your list
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: like 352-updates etc
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: and after you tested them all, file a new bug
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[06:22] <salamanderrake> sudo apt-get install nvidia-352-updates ....installs 361-updates???
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: no 352 was just an example mate
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: thats why i would like you to go see your additional drivers section
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> to see wich drivers are available for you
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> its the hardware icon
[06:23] <salamanderrake> what I mean is why would 352-updates install 361-updates?
[06:23] <salamanderrake> I am in xfce4 not unity
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: ubuntu searches best drivers for your system, if one is not available it will forward to another
[06:25] <salamanderrake> how do I get to 'additional drivers' ?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: not sure where additional drivers is in xubuntu
[06:25] <salamanderrake> this is not xubuntu, its just unity dies if I don't have a working driver so I have to run xfce4
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> right
[06:27] <salamanderrake> found it
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: great!
[06:28] <salamanderrake> its in software & updates
[06:29] <salamanderrake> may need to reboot
[06:29] <salamanderrake> but I am going to bed
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> good luck mate
[06:29] <salamanderrake> thanks
[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:36] <Rovanion> Good morning lordievader
[08:37] <Rovanion> I got a question: Do I need any special package to get gtk-inspector?
[08:37] <Rovanion> I've tried running "GTK_DEBUG=interactive pavucontrol" but I don't get the gtk-inspector window.
[08:38] <lordievader> Hey Rovanion
[08:39] <Rovanion> Xenial does have gtk 3.18 if I'm not mistaken and gtk inspector should be included since 3.14.
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> !info gtk-inspector
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> !info gtk
[08:39] <Rovanion> I'm not stat simple...
[08:39] <Rovanion> s/stat/that/
[08:40] <solsTiCe> hi. no big bug coming from beta 2 yet? I can install confidently beta 2 ? apart from the swap bug
[08:41] <k1l> if you need to ask dont use alpha/betas :)
[08:41] <solsTiCe> :-)
[08:41] <Rovanion> solsTiCe: It probably goes without saying but you shouldn't install the beta if you don't want to beta-test, i.e. experience bug.
[08:41] <Rovanion> s/bug/bugs/
[08:42] <k1l> and it depends heavily on your hardware, software and usage if you experience some bugs.
[08:42] <solsTiCe> I plan to reinstall but it's a shame to install now a 1510 given that 1604 is so close from coming out
[08:42] <Rovanion> Yup, for example on my hardware the Xenial kernel paniced on suspend caused by low battery.
[08:43] <Rovanion> While mainline didn't.
[08:43] <k1l> solsTiCe: why is that a shame? you can upgrade to 16.04 anytime untill july
[08:43] <solsTiCe> Rovanion: if it's a upstream bug, it light not be fixed when 1604 come out
[08:43] <Rovanion> solsTiCe: It was not present upstream.
[08:44] <solsTiCe> Rovanion: ok
[08:44] <solsTiCe> go for 1510 then
[08:44] <Rovanion> Turns out I needed to install libgtk-3-dev to get the inspector.
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> !yay Rovanion
[09:23] <Rovanion> And if anyone in here has gtk experience any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated: http://askubuntu.com/questions/752204/remove-grey-border-around-pavucontrol-in-16-04
[11:24] <yboa56QRE7> hi. What is this new option in the installer that enable to turn off secure boot ? which third party driver don't support secure boot ?
[11:25] <yboa56QRE7> why wasn't it a problem before ?
[12:30] <meena> i made a huge mistake
[12:30] <meena> i mean, hello happy people
[12:30] <meena> i'm looking for help with systemd
[12:30]  * meena plays spoopy music in the background
[13:11] <bjornar__> Han: seems like
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:22] <Han> bjornar__, use file(1) to know for sure.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> howdy all, again
[13:27] <bjornar__> Han, dont have that here atm, either or, the file should not be of that size!
[13:42] <thresh>     qemu: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-i386/Packages.xz  Hash Sum mismatch
[13:42] <thresh>     qemu: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-i386/Packages  Writing more data than expected (9439129 > 9438897) [IP: 91.189.91.23 80]
[13:42] <thresh> any idea?
[13:42] <thresh> (and hello)
[13:43] <salamanderrake> https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/391c342aa64d32e7386071ea31f1c0d0 this is with official nvidia drivers package was installed
[13:46] <k1l> official nvidia means? the one from the website?
[13:47] <k1l> thresh: either wait, change mirrors or rm the apt lists
[13:49] <thresh> k1l: would rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* be enough?
[13:49] <k1l> yes
[13:49] <thresh> I guess I could add that to preseed/late_command, then
[13:49] <thresh> thanks
[13:49] <salamanderrake> k1l: the ones from ubuntu, and not some ppa
[13:50] <k1l> salamanderrake: is "linux-generic" installed?
[13:50] <thresh> oh in that it's already there :|
[13:50] <thresh> s/that/fact/
[13:50] <thresh> I guess I'll wait for the release then
[13:50] <salamanderrake> linux-generic/xenial,now 4.4.0.16.17 amd64 [installed]
[13:51] <k1l> salamanderrake: so look at dmesg what happening
[13:53] <k1l> salamanderrake: looks like there is no nvidia module build. so there must have been an error when installing the nvidia
[13:53] <k1l> so look at the syslogs what happening now. and look at the apt logs if there was an error
[13:56] <salamanderrake> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15567920/
[13:57] <salamanderrake> k1l: that is /var/crash/nvidia-361.0.crash
[14:01] <k1l> salamanderrake: well, file  bug then
[14:01] <salamanderrake> ok
[14:17] <Han> thresh, looks like a server side problem, I have it as well.
[14:18] <Han> Will automatically be fixed in a while.
[14:20] <salamanderrake> k1l: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-16-generic (x86_64) is the error
[14:20] <thresh> Han: thanks!
[14:20] <salamanderrake> k1l: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361/+bug/1564425
[14:26] <salamanderrake> you think it could be because I have cc and c++ pointed to clang instead of gcc/g++?
[14:28] <rud0lf> hello i have a problem installing ubuntu 16.04 with liveusb
[14:28] <salamanderrake> yeah thats the problem k1l
[14:29] <rud0lf> when i select 'remove 14.04 and install 16.04' it says it's gonna install ext4 on 6-th partition (it's my current swap partition) and swap on 5-th (it's my ext4 partition with ubuntu 14.04)
[14:30] <rud0lf> so i'm gonna end with 8 gigs for ubuntu and 120 gigs swap space :(
[14:31] <Beelsebob> heya, I'm trying to get gstreamer's ffmpeg plugin installed, and I can't seem to get xenial to understand that I want to use trusty-media's repository; it keeps telling me
[14:31] <Beelsebob> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/mc3man/trusty-media/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[14:31] <Beelsebob> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[14:32] <Beelsebob> I've told apt Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true; in apt.conf
[14:32] <Beelsebob> but to no avail
[14:32] <BluesKaj> rud0lf, choose "something else" in the partitoner for ubuntu or manual for kubuntu/kde/plasma install, then you can setup th epartition without interfernce from the automatic app
[14:32] <rud0lf> BluesKaj: won't it mess with grub?
[14:33] <rud0lf> i've seen something similar on ubuntu installation manual
[14:33] <rud0lf> nvm, i read it wrong
[14:33] <rud0lf> wish me luck
[14:34] <BluesKaj> nope.grub will update  at he end of the install or id not then you can update it afterwards, depending on whether you have other OSs installed
[14:37] <meldron> hey guys, anybody tried installing ubuntu to a zfs 'partition'?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> meldron, why?
[15:01] <Nukien> meldron, Works fine, but not from regular installer. You have to use debootstrap from a livecd or other already-installed system
[15:03] <bjornar__> python3-pip depends on 600Mb of external packages, nice.. fucking morons
[15:17] <BluesKaj> bjornar__, language please
[15:17] <bjornar__> BluesKaj, yeah, sorry. Just wanted you to understand my frustration
[15:17] <Pici> bjornar__: even if you do --no-install-recommends ?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> and substitute insult would be more appropriate :-)
[15:19] <bjornar__> Pici, I really dont know, but I mean -- anyway
[15:20] <bjornar__> And funnily it does not depend on setuptools, which is the only this that is more or less allways required
[15:20] <Pici> er, okay....
[15:21] <bjornar__> Pici, the package I want is ~500k .. I get 600Mb .. see the point?
[15:22] <Pici> bjornar__: I do. But you probably installed it with the recommended dependencies.. which are optional. This is the case for every package you install.
[15:22] <bjornar__> Pici, look yourself
[15:23] <Pici> I don't have a 16.04 test system here.
[15:23] <bjornar__> then leave this channel immediately! ;)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> bjornar__, which package ?
[15:24] <Pici> BluesKaj: python3-pip
[15:24] <bjornar__> BluesKaj, python3-pip
[15:25] <BluesKaj> hmm, 554Kb installed size , it must be bringing other packages with it
[15:28] <BluesKaj> bjornar__, it's installing 7 associated packages/dependencies as well
[15:29] <bjornar__> BluesKaj, yeah, and that makes some 100ds of mbs?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> bjornar__, muon doesn't show the size of the dependencies
[15:49] <BluesKaj> I use the package manager as a reference for package info etc... still use the real muon , not the new muon discover that's default on Kubuntu Xenial
[15:50] <solsTiCe> hi. why does one is forced to turn off "Secure boot" with bcmwl-kernel-source wifi module ? It was working fine before except some bug may be
[16:11] <monester> hi all! I've faced a bug with installation of uwsgi-plugin-python - package is failing during postinst, fix is already proposed to debian, but when it would be backported to ubuntu?
[16:24] <jubo2> y0
[16:24] <jubo2> last day to get 16.04 before release month
[16:24] <jubo2> everyone rush
[16:25] <teward> monester: fix *proposed* to debian, or fix *already released* to Debian?
[16:25] <jubo2> then swamt the support stuff with prerelease problems
[16:25] <jubo2> I like Kubuntu16.04 .. a lot
[16:26] <jubo2> still room for improvement but GUI that'd make 90's users drool
[16:28] <jubo2> I've been operating mah computers since '87'ish
[16:29] <jubo2> I had friends who had.. one had some weird video game console we could play pong on
[16:29] <jubo2> then another friend got Commodore 64
[16:30] <jubo2> There were some really good games
[16:30] <jubo2> Broderbund was one awesome game studio in those times
[16:31] <monester> teward it is released https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818116
[16:31] <jubo2> The helicopter game Broderbund Games made was so awesome taking game design and technological advancement
[16:31] <teward> monester: um, no, that's not 'fixed'
[16:31] <jubo2> sprites graphics
[16:31] <teward> monester: it's still open?
[16:32]  * jubo2 10 yr plan: "Get wealthy enough to purchase machine that will run Elite Dangerous with gameable speed."
[16:32]  * meena considers some infinite screaming into the void
[16:32] <monester> teward: it is "Fixed in version uwsgi/2.0.12-5", and I can see it in packages.debian.org
[16:32] <meldron> Nukien: so i install a system an then copy all the files?
[16:33] <meldron> BluesKaj: cause i want to use it for my ssd
[16:33] <meena> i've updated this joyful systemd bug, which makes my computer take ~2+ minutes to reboot https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1620
[16:33] <jubo2> I want to play Elite Dangerous.. twas 80's last I really gamed it
[16:34] <meena> i'm super looking forward to running systemd in production on servers…
[16:40] <monester> teward: yeah, bug is reopened, sorry for bothering . I was looking on cached page
[16:40] <Nukien> meldron, Yup, that's one way. I have a script to handle it if you want - pastebin.com/fa83QrBk
[16:40] <Nukien> Runs from a livecd
[16:41] <meldron> Nukien: thanks i will look into it
[16:42] <jubo2> Win Eurojackpot yes.. Now I gotta go degut some vendace
[16:42] <jubo2> Then I'ma make mi mix of coarse wheat flour and salt
[16:42] <jubo2> cast iron pan, lot of oil, would use butter but couldn't afford
[16:43] <jubo2> flip-flip-flip-flip in the flours-'n-salt mix
[16:43] <jubo2> fry till cruch. Serve with lemon and mayo of fav choice of coocuissineur
[16:44] <meldron> Nukien: oh it looks quite sufisticated
[16:48] <BluesKaj> meldron, why zfs though, what's the advantage over ext4?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> brb, gotta switch server
[17:28] <jtaylor> mh turns out the upgrade space estimate is way off ._.
[17:28] <jtaylor> said it needed 2.6g, 3.9g was not enough and not even close to done
[17:32] <rud0lf> is it normal that every item in software center is marked as proprietary?
[17:50] <squirtle> o/ any known issues with 16.04 and surround sound.  seems once I install nvidia driver selecting 6 channels in alsamixer doesn't stick after a reboot (and I never get the oppertunity to set 5.1 from the new sound settings interface)?!
[18:08] <Squarism> so anyone tried unity8?
[18:14] <k1l_> !unity8
[18:14] <k1l_> its not the standard desktop in 16.04
[18:15] <meldron> BluesKaj: what do you mean? it has several features ext4 is missing
[18:16] <Squarism> k1l_, Has its status changed from 15.10? I mean will it be presented to "non-expert" users as a valid choice for typical productivity work? Or more a "at your own risk" !!EXPERIMENTAL!!
[18:17] <Pici> Well, it would require people to install it manually, which is not something that all users are comfortable with.
[18:18] <Squarism> Pici, was that for me?
[18:18] <Pici> Squarism: kinda.
[18:19] <TJ-> meldron: and OpenZFS on Linux is missing features that ext4 has; such as SSD/SCSI TRIM/DISCARD support
[18:25] <BluesKaj> meldron, it's your call, but definitely not recommended for ubuntu and it's flavours
[18:27] <jtaylor> neat, upgraded my first main desktop to 16.04 and despite open source amd drivers it feels a lot snappier
[18:28] <jtaylor> the new font is normal?
[18:29] <jtaylor> with fonts I never know if its intentional or some config problem ._.
[18:29] <jtaylor> looks weird but probably because its new
[19:09] <meldron> BluesKaj: just wanted to try it, why is it not recommended
[19:12] <meldron> whats your opinion about btrfs?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> !zfs
[19:16] <BluesKaj> !btrfs
[19:17] <TJ-> meldron: there might be some teething problems as ZFS is integrated into Ubuntu fully. It's intention is for virtualised systems typically used in hosting services, etc.
[19:18] <Pici> Not to mention the whole licensing thing, which hasn't fully been digested, imho.
[19:20] <meldron> Pici: licensing is the last of my worries
[19:21] <Pici> meldron: I personally don't really care.. but if Canonical was told to remove it from the OS, I wouldn't really like it if I was running that locally.
[19:27] <TJ-> Licensing isn't as big an issue as is made out, although it is interesting
[19:38] <meldron> hm
[19:39] <meldron> so I am really undecided NOW
[19:39] <meldron> sorry
[19:42] <jonathan_zz> brfs has a lot of fans but. I think the fans are mostly people who like sacrificing something for something else they think they can use or need.
[19:42] <jonathan_zz> btrfs*.
[19:43] <jonathan_zz> a bit like... cutting off an ear so you'll have less air resistance as you run ;-) :P.
[19:44] <jonathan_zz> every distro does btrfs differently. OpenSUSE just has a tool built around it.
[19:45] <jonathan_zz> mostly because of the snapshotting ability. And thin LVM is not supported by grub, nor readily available in a new installation.
[19:46] <jonathan_zz> it is very troublesome to use thin LVM on a root volume, and impossible on boot.
[19:47] <jonathan_zz> OpenSUSE's leader (Brown Richard) is a great fan of btrfs because you can basically version files with it.
[19:48] <TJ-> we've seen a lot of data corruption bugs with it over the last 24 months or so that I recall
[19:48] <jonathan_zz> I just call him Brown Richard lol.
[19:48] <jonathan_zz> I suppose so, I wouldn't be surprised :).
[19:49] <jonathan_zz> They keep saying how stable it has become which kinda proves that stability has been an issue right.
[19:50] <jonathan_zz> It was like that Theme Hospital clone of which they said "It doesn't crash as often anymore".
[19:50] <jonathan_zz> haha
[19:51] <jonathan_zz> (original TH was rock stable).
[19:52] <TJ-> Well, if the F-35 can have crashing computers, we can't complain about BTRFS :)
[19:53] <jonathan_zz> for a moment I thought that was a fedora version :p (has been reading too much on linux).
[19:54] <Nukien> ZFS works perfectly under Ubuntu, 14.04 or 16.04. There is no clean "install to zfs" yet, but that will be coming
[19:54] <Nukien> If you do it manually, it works swimmingly
[19:55] <Mikelevel> xfs works fine too
[19:55] <jonathan_zz> i stick to ext3 :p.
[19:55] <jonathan_zz> I have no need for other filesystems whatsoever at this point.
[19:56] <k1l_> wasnt support for ext3 stopped? ext4 is the actual ext FS
[19:56] <jonathan_zz> I tried XFS and was meaning to benchmark it, but never got around it I think. But you can't shrink XFS, and that sucked.
[19:57] <jonathan_zz> maybe you'd confuse the ext4 driver with the ext3 filesystem. in that sense.
[19:57] <jonathan_zz> it might be the ext4 driver running ext3 filesystems.
[19:59] <jonathan_zz> just with less features, that's all.
[20:01] <TJ-> I like where the kernel is headed... separating the notion of 'block storage device' from 'naming scheme', that path will lead to the eradication of file systems :)
[20:02] <jonathan_zz> hah?
[20:02] <jonathan_zz> that's like saying you can eradicate roads by voting to abolish road signs.
[20:02] <jonathan_zz> haha
[20:03] <jonathan_zz> I mean eradicating filesystems would be something you'd need to choose and THEN implement, it couldn't just happen by happenstance right.
[20:04] <TJ-> no, it's actually a great concept. right now the FS drivers are tied into the block layer; some recent discussions about capabilities for some specialised devices raised some discussion about benefits of separation
[20:04] <jonathan_zz> like oh we did something to the kernel now we have solved the mystery of life on other planets.
[20:04] <TJ-> it came out of Linus strongly rejecting some patches that added an IOCTL
[20:05] <jonathan_zz> so the goal is for FS drivers to no longer have access to block devices, hence rendering them inoperational :P.
[20:06] <TJ-> last 2 paras of http://lwn.net/Articles/680708/
[20:06] <jonathan_zz> waaa I have to pay for that.
[20:07] <TJ-> worth every penny
[20:07] <jonathan_zz> unless I instantly time warp into 7 april!
[20:07] <jonathan_zz> *changes his computer clock*
[20:07] <TJ-> or you can wait 2-4 weeks until it becomes open
[20:07] <jonathan_zz> *darn it doesn't work * :P.
[20:08] <TJ-> oh, it's only a week's wait from publication and that was published March 24th
[20:08] <jonathan_zz> actually considering the amount of free material on the web I can also read, I consider that $7 better spent on a sandwich :p.
[20:09] <TJ-> LWN has in-depth articles about Linux  and by Linux kernel devs
[20:13] <jonathan_zz> hm hm and I have hunger :p.
[20:13] <jonathan_zz> ha
[20:29] <bjornar> Can someone try to pull this one in time for 16.04
[20:29] <bjornar> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/2928