| Han | bjornar__, did they forget to strip it? | 00:48 |
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| salamanderrake | https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/24ec786fe65c808c9453e1c08106bd89 | 06:07 |
| salamanderrake | issues with nvidia | 06:08 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: upgrade or clean install? | 06:09 |
| salamanderrake | sorry | 06:10 |
| salamanderrake | upgrade | 06:10 |
| salamanderrake | dist-upgrade | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: from 15.10? | 06:10 |
| salamanderrake | no | 06:10 |
| salamanderrake | in 16.04 | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | ? | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: wich version did you have before 16.04 | 06:11 |
| salamanderrake | I did a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade | 06:11 |
| salamanderrake | 16.04 | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | so its a clean install, and you updated to latest | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: wich grahics card chipset and driver loaded please? | 06:12 |
| salamanderrake | no not a clean install | 06:12 |
| salamanderrake | nvidia 960 | 06:12 |
| salamanderrake | with nvidia-361 drivers | 06:12 |
| salamanderrake | well it was a clean install | 06:13 |
| salamanderrake | but this is after several updates | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | upgrade means, from one version to another | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: you just stayed on 16.04 and updated to latest | 06:13 |
| salamanderrake | yeah | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 06:14 |
| salamanderrake | but its called dist-upgrade | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | !dist-upgrade | 06:14 |
| ubottu | A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | so you are already on the new version of ubuntu | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | anyway... | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: what other drivers showup your additional drivers section? | 06:15 |
| salamanderrake | what do you mean? | 06:16 |
| salamanderrake | oh to be fair, I forgot to mention, these are not official drivers | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: did the drivers by default not work good? | 06:17 |
| salamanderrake | there are from here, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 06:17 |
| salamanderrake | no vulkan support with the default drivers | 06:18 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: did you try them all? | 06:18 |
| salamanderrake | not yet | 06:18 |
| salamanderrake | but nvidia-361/364 and nouveau will not load | 06:18 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: well i would advise to test all default ubuntu drivers, showing up your list | 06:19 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: like 352-updates etc | 06:19 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: and after you tested them all, file a new bug | 06:19 |
| lotuspsychje | !bug | 06:19 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 06:19 |
| salamanderrake | sudo apt-get install nvidia-352-updates ....installs 361-updates??? | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: no 352 was just an example mate | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: thats why i would like you to go see your additional drivers section | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | to see wich drivers are available for you | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | its the hardware icon | 06:23 |
| salamanderrake | what I mean is why would 352-updates install 361-updates? | 06:23 |
| salamanderrake | I am in xfce4 not unity | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: ubuntu searches best drivers for your system, if one is not available it will forward to another | 06:24 |
| salamanderrake | how do I get to 'additional drivers' ? | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: not sure where additional drivers is in xubuntu | 06:25 |
| salamanderrake | this is not xubuntu, its just unity dies if I don't have a working driver so I have to run xfce4 | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 06:26 |
| salamanderrake | found it | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | salamanderrake: great! | 06:28 |
| salamanderrake | its in software & updates | 06:28 |
| salamanderrake | may need to reboot | 06:29 |
| salamanderrake | but I am going to bed | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | good luck mate | 06:29 |
| salamanderrake | thanks | 06:29 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:31 |
| Rovanion | Good morning lordievader | 08:36 |
| Rovanion | I got a question: Do I need any special package to get gtk-inspector? | 08:37 |
| Rovanion | I've tried running "GTK_DEBUG=interactive pavucontrol" but I don't get the gtk-inspector window. | 08:37 |
| lordievader | Hey Rovanion | 08:38 |
| Rovanion | Xenial does have gtk 3.18 if I'm not mistaken and gtk inspector should be included since 3.14. | 08:39 |
| lotuspsychje | !info gtk-inspector | 08:39 |
| ubottu | Package gtk-inspector does not exist in xenial | 08:39 |
| lotuspsychje | !info gtk | 08:39 |
| ubottu | Package gtk does not exist in xenial | 08:39 |
| Rovanion | I'm not stat simple... | 08:39 |
| Rovanion | s/stat/that/ | 08:39 |
| solsTiCe | hi. no big bug coming from beta 2 yet? I can install confidently beta 2 ? apart from the swap bug | 08:40 |
| k1l | if you need to ask dont use alpha/betas :) | 08:41 |
| solsTiCe | :-) | 08:41 |
| Rovanion | solsTiCe: It probably goes without saying but you shouldn't install the beta if you don't want to beta-test, i.e. experience bug. | 08:41 |
| Rovanion | s/bug/bugs/ | 08:41 |
| k1l | and it depends heavily on your hardware, software and usage if you experience some bugs. | 08:42 |
| solsTiCe | I plan to reinstall but it's a shame to install now a 1510 given that 1604 is so close from coming out | 08:42 |
| Rovanion | Yup, for example on my hardware the Xenial kernel paniced on suspend caused by low battery. | 08:42 |
| Rovanion | While mainline didn't. | 08:43 |
| k1l | solsTiCe: why is that a shame? you can upgrade to 16.04 anytime untill july | 08:43 |
| solsTiCe | Rovanion: if it's a upstream bug, it light not be fixed when 1604 come out | 08:43 |
| Rovanion | solsTiCe: It was not present upstream. | 08:43 |
| solsTiCe | Rovanion: ok | 08:44 |
| solsTiCe | go for 1510 then | 08:44 |
| Rovanion | Turns out I needed to install libgtk-3-dev to get the inspector. | 08:44 |
| lotuspsychje | !yay Rovanion | 09:14 |
| Rovanion | And if anyone in here has gtk experience any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated: http://askubuntu.com/questions/752204/remove-grey-border-around-pavucontrol-in-16-04 | 09:23 |
| yboa56QRE7 | hi. What is this new option in the installer that enable to turn off secure boot ? which third party driver don't support secure boot ? | 11:24 |
| yboa56QRE7 | why wasn't it a problem before ? | 11:25 |
| meena | i made a huge mistake | 12:30 |
| meena | i mean, hello happy people | 12:30 |
| meena | i'm looking for help with systemd | 12:30 |
| * meena plays spoopy music in the background | 12:30 | |
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| bjornar__ | Han: seems like | 13:11 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 13:22 |
| Han | bjornar__, use file(1) to know for sure. | 13:22 |
| BluesKaj | howdy all, again | 13:25 |
| bjornar__ | Han, dont have that here atm, either or, the file should not be of that size! | 13:27 |
| thresh | qemu: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-i386/Packages.xz Hash Sum mismatch | 13:42 |
| thresh | qemu: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-i386/Packages Writing more data than expected (9439129 > 9438897) [IP: 91.189.91.23 80] | 13:42 |
| thresh | any idea? | 13:42 |
| thresh | (and hello) | 13:42 |
| salamanderrake | https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/391c342aa64d32e7386071ea31f1c0d0 this is with official nvidia drivers package was installed | 13:43 |
| k1l | official nvidia means? the one from the website? | 13:46 |
| k1l | thresh: either wait, change mirrors or rm the apt lists | 13:47 |
| thresh | k1l: would rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* be enough? | 13:49 |
| k1l | yes | 13:49 |
| thresh | I guess I could add that to preseed/late_command, then | 13:49 |
| thresh | thanks | 13:49 |
| salamanderrake | k1l: the ones from ubuntu, and not some ppa | 13:49 |
| k1l | salamanderrake: is "linux-generic" installed? | 13:50 |
| thresh | oh in that it's already there :| | 13:50 |
| thresh | s/that/fact/ | 13:50 |
| thresh | I guess I'll wait for the release then | 13:50 |
| salamanderrake | linux-generic/xenial,now 4.4.0.16.17 amd64 [installed] | 13:50 |
| k1l | salamanderrake: so look at dmesg what happening | 13:51 |
| k1l | salamanderrake: looks like there is no nvidia module build. so there must have been an error when installing the nvidia | 13:53 |
| k1l | so look at the syslogs what happening now. and look at the apt logs if there was an error | 13:53 |
| salamanderrake | k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15567920/ | 13:56 |
| salamanderrake | k1l: that is /var/crash/nvidia-361.0.crash | 13:57 |
| k1l | salamanderrake: well, file bug then | 14:01 |
| salamanderrake | ok | 14:01 |
| Han | thresh, looks like a server side problem, I have it as well. | 14:17 |
| Han | Will automatically be fixed in a while. | 14:18 |
| salamanderrake | k1l: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-16-generic (x86_64) is the error | 14:20 |
| thresh | Han: thanks! | 14:20 |
| salamanderrake | k1l: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361/+bug/1564425 | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1564425 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-361 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-361 Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-16-generic (x86_64)" [Undecided,New] | 14:20 |
| salamanderrake | you think it could be because I have cc and c++ pointed to clang instead of gcc/g++? | 14:26 |
| rud0lf | hello i have a problem installing ubuntu 16.04 with liveusb | 14:28 |
| salamanderrake | yeah thats the problem k1l | 14:28 |
| rud0lf | when i select 'remove 14.04 and install 16.04' it says it's gonna install ext4 on 6-th partition (it's my current swap partition) and swap on 5-th (it's my ext4 partition with ubuntu 14.04) | 14:29 |
| rud0lf | so i'm gonna end with 8 gigs for ubuntu and 120 gigs swap space :( | 14:30 |
| Beelsebob | heya, I'm trying to get gstreamer's ffmpeg plugin installed, and I can't seem to get xenial to understand that I want to use trusty-media's repository; it keeps telling me | 14:31 |
| Beelsebob | E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/mc3man/trusty-media/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file. | 14:31 |
| Beelsebob | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. | 14:31 |
| Beelsebob | I've told apt Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true; in apt.conf | 14:32 |
| Beelsebob | but to no avail | 14:32 |
| BluesKaj | rud0lf, choose "something else" in the partitoner for ubuntu or manual for kubuntu/kde/plasma install, then you can setup th epartition without interfernce from the automatic app | 14:32 |
| rud0lf | BluesKaj: won't it mess with grub? | 14:32 |
| rud0lf | i've seen something similar on ubuntu installation manual | 14:33 |
| rud0lf | nvm, i read it wrong | 14:33 |
| rud0lf | wish me luck | 14:33 |
| BluesKaj | nope.grub will update at he end of the install or id not then you can update it afterwards, depending on whether you have other OSs installed | 14:34 |
| meldron | hey guys, anybody tried installing ubuntu to a zfs 'partition'? | 14:37 |
| BluesKaj | meldron, why? | 14:52 |
| Nukien | meldron, Works fine, but not from regular installer. You have to use debootstrap from a livecd or other already-installed system | 15:01 |
| bjornar__ | python3-pip depends on 600Mb of external packages, nice.. fucking morons | 15:03 |
| BluesKaj | bjornar__, language please | 15:17 |
| bjornar__ | BluesKaj, yeah, sorry. Just wanted you to understand my frustration | 15:17 |
| Pici | bjornar__: even if you do --no-install-recommends ? | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | and substitute insult would be more appropriate :-) | 15:18 |
| bjornar__ | Pici, I really dont know, but I mean -- anyway | 15:19 |
| bjornar__ | And funnily it does not depend on setuptools, which is the only this that is more or less allways required | 15:20 |
| Pici | er, okay.... | 15:20 |
| bjornar__ | Pici, the package I want is ~500k .. I get 600Mb .. see the point? | 15:21 |
| Pici | bjornar__: I do. But you probably installed it with the recommended dependencies.. which are optional. This is the case for every package you install. | 15:22 |
| bjornar__ | Pici, look yourself | 15:22 |
| Pici | I don't have a 16.04 test system here. | 15:23 |
| bjornar__ | then leave this channel immediately! ;) | 15:23 |
| BluesKaj | bjornar__, which package ? | 15:24 |
| Pici | BluesKaj: python3-pip | 15:24 |
| bjornar__ | BluesKaj, python3-pip | 15:24 |
| BluesKaj | hmm, 554Kb installed size , it must be bringing other packages with it | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | bjornar__, it's installing 7 associated packages/dependencies as well | 15:28 |
| bjornar__ | BluesKaj, yeah, and that makes some 100ds of mbs? | 15:29 |
| BluesKaj | bjornar__, muon doesn't show the size of the dependencies | 15:46 |
| BluesKaj | I use the package manager as a reference for package info etc... still use the real muon , not the new muon discover that's default on Kubuntu Xenial | 15:49 |
| solsTiCe | hi. why does one is forced to turn off "Secure boot" with bcmwl-kernel-source wifi module ? It was working fine before except some bug may be | 15:50 |
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| monester | hi all! I've faced a bug with installation of uwsgi-plugin-python - package is failing during postinst, fix is already proposed to debian, but when it would be backported to ubuntu? | 16:11 |
| jubo2 | y0 | 16:24 |
| jubo2 | last day to get 16.04 before release month | 16:24 |
| jubo2 | everyone rush | 16:24 |
| teward | monester: fix *proposed* to debian, or fix *already released* to Debian? | 16:25 |
| jubo2 | then swamt the support stuff with prerelease problems | 16:25 |
| jubo2 | I like Kubuntu16.04 .. a lot | 16:25 |
| jubo2 | still room for improvement but GUI that'd make 90's users drool | 16:26 |
| jubo2 | I've been operating mah computers since '87'ish | 16:28 |
| jubo2 | I had friends who had.. one had some weird video game console we could play pong on | 16:29 |
| jubo2 | then another friend got Commodore 64 | 16:29 |
| jubo2 | There were some really good games | 16:30 |
| jubo2 | Broderbund was one awesome game studio in those times | 16:30 |
| monester | teward it is released https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818116 | 16:31 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 818116 in uwsgi-plugin-python "uwsgi-plugin-python: post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Important,Open] | 16:31 |
| jubo2 | The helicopter game Broderbund Games made was so awesome taking game design and technological advancement | 16:31 |
| teward | monester: um, no, that's not 'fixed' | 16:31 |
| jubo2 | sprites graphics | 16:31 |
| teward | monester: it's still open? | 16:31 |
| * jubo2 10 yr plan: "Get wealthy enough to purchase machine that will run Elite Dangerous with gameable speed." | 16:32 | |
| * meena considers some infinite screaming into the void | 16:32 | |
| monester | teward: it is "Fixed in version uwsgi/2.0.12-5", and I can see it in packages.debian.org | 16:32 |
| meldron | Nukien: so i install a system an then copy all the files? | 16:32 |
| meldron | BluesKaj: cause i want to use it for my ssd | 16:33 |
| meena | i've updated this joyful systemd bug, which makes my computer take ~2+ minutes to reboot https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1620 | 16:33 |
| jubo2 | I want to play Elite Dangerous.. twas 80's last I really gamed it | 16:33 |
| meena | i'm super looking forward to running systemd in production on servers… | 16:34 |
| monester | teward: yeah, bug is reopened, sorry for bothering . I was looking on cached page | 16:40 |
| Nukien | meldron, Yup, that's one way. I have a script to handle it if you want - pastebin.com/fa83QrBk | 16:40 |
| Nukien | Runs from a livecd | 16:40 |
| meldron | Nukien: thanks i will look into it | 16:41 |
| jubo2 | Win Eurojackpot yes.. Now I gotta go degut some vendace | 16:42 |
| jubo2 | Then I'ma make mi mix of coarse wheat flour and salt | 16:42 |
| jubo2 | cast iron pan, lot of oil, would use butter but couldn't afford | 16:42 |
| jubo2 | flip-flip-flip-flip in the flours-'n-salt mix | 16:43 |
| jubo2 | fry till cruch. Serve with lemon and mayo of fav choice of coocuissineur | 16:43 |
| meldron | Nukien: oh it looks quite sufisticated | 16:44 |
| BluesKaj | meldron, why zfs though, what's the advantage over ext4? | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | brb, gotta switch server | 16:50 |
| jtaylor | mh turns out the upgrade space estimate is way off ._. | 17:28 |
| jtaylor | said it needed 2.6g, 3.9g was not enough and not even close to done | 17:28 |
| rud0lf | is it normal that every item in software center is marked as proprietary? | 17:32 |
| squirtle | o/ any known issues with 16.04 and surround sound. seems once I install nvidia driver selecting 6 channels in alsamixer doesn't stick after a reboot (and I never get the oppertunity to set 5.1 from the new sound settings interface)?! | 17:50 |
| Squarism | so anyone tried unity8? | 18:08 |
| k1l_ | !unity8 | 18:14 |
| ubottu | Unity8 is the next Unity Desktop running on Mir. It is already used on the smartphones running ubuntu-touch (!touch) and can be tested on the Desktop with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC | 18:14 |
| k1l_ | its not the standard desktop in 16.04 | 18:14 |
| meldron | BluesKaj: what do you mean? it has several features ext4 is missing | 18:15 |
| Squarism | k1l_, Has its status changed from 15.10? I mean will it be presented to "non-expert" users as a valid choice for typical productivity work? Or more a "at your own risk" !!EXPERIMENTAL!! | 18:16 |
| Pici | Well, it would require people to install it manually, which is not something that all users are comfortable with. | 18:17 |
| Squarism | Pici, was that for me? | 18:18 |
| Pici | Squarism: kinda. | 18:18 |
| TJ- | meldron: and OpenZFS on Linux is missing features that ext4 has; such as SSD/SCSI TRIM/DISCARD support | 18:19 |
| BluesKaj | meldron, it's your call, but definitely not recommended for ubuntu and it's flavours | 18:25 |
| jtaylor | neat, upgraded my first main desktop to 16.04 and despite open source amd drivers it feels a lot snappier | 18:27 |
| jtaylor | the new font is normal? | 18:28 |
| jtaylor | with fonts I never know if its intentional or some config problem ._. | 18:29 |
| jtaylor | looks weird but probably because its new | 18:29 |
| meldron | BluesKaj: just wanted to try it, why is it not recommended | 19:09 |
| meldron | whats your opinion about btrfs? | 19:12 |
| BluesKaj | !zfs | 19:16 |
| ubottu | For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS | 19:16 |
| BluesKaj | !btrfs | 19:16 |
| ubottu | Btrfs is a new filesystem available for Ubuntu. It is currently marked as experimental, and should not be used for important data. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs | 19:16 |
| TJ- | meldron: there might be some teething problems as ZFS is integrated into Ubuntu fully. It's intention is for virtualised systems typically used in hosting services, etc. | 19:17 |
| Pici | Not to mention the whole licensing thing, which hasn't fully been digested, imho. | 19:18 |
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| meldron | Pici: licensing is the last of my worries | 19:20 |
| Pici | meldron: I personally don't really care.. but if Canonical was told to remove it from the OS, I wouldn't really like it if I was running that locally. | 19:21 |
| TJ- | Licensing isn't as big an issue as is made out, although it is interesting | 19:27 |
| meldron | hm | 19:38 |
| meldron | so I am really undecided NOW | 19:39 |
| meldron | sorry | 19:39 |
| jonathan_zz | brfs has a lot of fans but. I think the fans are mostly people who like sacrificing something for something else they think they can use or need. | 19:42 |
| jonathan_zz | btrfs*. | 19:42 |
| jonathan_zz | a bit like... cutting off an ear so you'll have less air resistance as you run ;-) :P. | 19:43 |
| jonathan_zz | every distro does btrfs differently. OpenSUSE just has a tool built around it. | 19:44 |
| jonathan_zz | mostly because of the snapshotting ability. And thin LVM is not supported by grub, nor readily available in a new installation. | 19:45 |
| jonathan_zz | it is very troublesome to use thin LVM on a root volume, and impossible on boot. | 19:46 |
| jonathan_zz | OpenSUSE's leader (Brown Richard) is a great fan of btrfs because you can basically version files with it. | 19:47 |
| TJ- | we've seen a lot of data corruption bugs with it over the last 24 months or so that I recall | 19:48 |
| jonathan_zz | I just call him Brown Richard lol. | 19:48 |
| jonathan_zz | I suppose so, I wouldn't be surprised :). | 19:48 |
| jonathan_zz | They keep saying how stable it has become which kinda proves that stability has been an issue right. | 19:49 |
| jonathan_zz | It was like that Theme Hospital clone of which they said "It doesn't crash as often anymore". | 19:50 |
| jonathan_zz | haha | 19:50 |
| jonathan_zz | (original TH was rock stable). | 19:51 |
| TJ- | Well, if the F-35 can have crashing computers, we can't complain about BTRFS :) | 19:52 |
| jonathan_zz | for a moment I thought that was a fedora version :p (has been reading too much on linux). | 19:53 |
| Nukien | ZFS works perfectly under Ubuntu, 14.04 or 16.04. There is no clean "install to zfs" yet, but that will be coming | 19:54 |
| Nukien | If you do it manually, it works swimmingly | 19:54 |
| Mikelevel | xfs works fine too | 19:55 |
| jonathan_zz | i stick to ext3 :p. | 19:55 |
| jonathan_zz | I have no need for other filesystems whatsoever at this point. | 19:55 |
| k1l_ | wasnt support for ext3 stopped? ext4 is the actual ext FS | 19:56 |
| jonathan_zz | I tried XFS and was meaning to benchmark it, but never got around it I think. But you can't shrink XFS, and that sucked. | 19:56 |
| jonathan_zz | maybe you'd confuse the ext4 driver with the ext3 filesystem. in that sense. | 19:57 |
| jonathan_zz | it might be the ext4 driver running ext3 filesystems. | 19:57 |
| jonathan_zz | just with less features, that's all. | 19:59 |
| TJ- | I like where the kernel is headed... separating the notion of 'block storage device' from 'naming scheme', that path will lead to the eradication of file systems :) | 20:01 |
| jonathan_zz | hah? | 20:02 |
| jonathan_zz | that's like saying you can eradicate roads by voting to abolish road signs. | 20:02 |
| jonathan_zz | haha | 20:02 |
| jonathan_zz | I mean eradicating filesystems would be something you'd need to choose and THEN implement, it couldn't just happen by happenstance right. | 20:03 |
| TJ- | no, it's actually a great concept. right now the FS drivers are tied into the block layer; some recent discussions about capabilities for some specialised devices raised some discussion about benefits of separation | 20:04 |
| jonathan_zz | like oh we did something to the kernel now we have solved the mystery of life on other planets. | 20:04 |
| TJ- | it came out of Linus strongly rejecting some patches that added an IOCTL | 20:04 |
| jonathan_zz | so the goal is for FS drivers to no longer have access to block devices, hence rendering them inoperational :P. | 20:05 |
| TJ- | last 2 paras of http://lwn.net/Articles/680708/ | 20:06 |
| jonathan_zz | waaa I have to pay for that. | 20:06 |
| TJ- | worth every penny | 20:07 |
| jonathan_zz | unless I instantly time warp into 7 april! | 20:07 |
| jonathan_zz | *changes his computer clock* | 20:07 |
| TJ- | or you can wait 2-4 weeks until it becomes open | 20:07 |
| jonathan_zz | *darn it doesn't work * :P. | 20:07 |
| TJ- | oh, it's only a week's wait from publication and that was published March 24th | 20:08 |
| jonathan_zz | actually considering the amount of free material on the web I can also read, I consider that $7 better spent on a sandwich :p. | 20:08 |
| TJ- | LWN has in-depth articles about Linux and by Linux kernel devs | 20:09 |
| jonathan_zz | hm hm and I have hunger :p. | 20:13 |
| jonathan_zz | ha | 20:13 |
| bjornar | Can someone try to pull this one in time for 16.04 | 20:29 |
| bjornar | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/2928 | 20:29 |
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