[00:48] bjornar__, did they forget to strip it? === cyphase is now known as Guest53358 === nelsk is now known as nelsk|gone === marlinc_ is now known as marlinc === xnox_ is now known as xnox === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel [06:07] https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/24ec786fe65c808c9453e1c08106bd89 [06:08] issues with nvidia [06:09] salamanderrake: upgrade or clean install? [06:10] sorry [06:10] upgrade [06:10] dist-upgrade [06:10] salamanderrake: from 15.10? [06:10] no [06:10] in 16.04 [06:10] ? [06:11] salamanderrake: wich version did you have before 16.04 [06:11] I did a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [06:11] 16.04 [06:11] so its a clean install, and you updated to latest [06:12] salamanderrake: wich grahics card chipset and driver loaded please? [06:12] no not a clean install [06:12] nvidia 960 [06:12] with nvidia-361 drivers [06:13] well it was a clean install [06:13] but this is after several updates [06:13] upgrade means, from one version to another [06:13] salamanderrake: you just stayed on 16.04 and updated to latest [06:14] yeah [06:14] ok [06:14] but its called dist-upgrade [06:14] !dist-upgrade [06:14] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [06:15] so you are already on the new version of ubuntu [06:15] anyway... [06:15] salamanderrake: what other drivers showup your additional drivers section? [06:16] what do you mean? [06:17] oh to be fair, I forgot to mention, these are not official drivers [06:17] salamanderrake: did the drivers by default not work good? [06:17] there are from here, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [06:18] no vulkan support with the default drivers [06:18] salamanderrake: did you try them all? [06:18] not yet [06:18] but nvidia-361/364 and nouveau will not load [06:19] salamanderrake: well i would advise to test all default ubuntu drivers, showing up your list [06:19] salamanderrake: like 352-updates etc [06:19] salamanderrake: and after you tested them all, file a new bug [06:19] !bug [06:19] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [06:22] sudo apt-get install nvidia-352-updates ....installs 361-updates??? [06:22] salamanderrake: no 352 was just an example mate [06:22] salamanderrake: thats why i would like you to go see your additional drivers section [06:23] to see wich drivers are available for you [06:23] its the hardware icon [06:23] what I mean is why would 352-updates install 361-updates? [06:23] I am in xfce4 not unity [06:24] salamanderrake: ubuntu searches best drivers for your system, if one is not available it will forward to another [06:25] how do I get to 'additional drivers' ? [06:25] salamanderrake: not sure where additional drivers is in xubuntu [06:25] this is not xubuntu, its just unity dies if I don't have a working driver so I have to run xfce4 [06:26] right [06:27] found it [06:28] salamanderrake: great! [06:28] its in software & updates [06:29] may need to reboot [06:29] but I am going to bed [06:29] ok [06:29] good luck mate [06:29] thanks === hasselmm1 is now known as hasselmm [08:31] Good morning. [08:36] Good morning lordievader [08:37] I got a question: Do I need any special package to get gtk-inspector? [08:37] I've tried running "GTK_DEBUG=interactive pavucontrol" but I don't get the gtk-inspector window. [08:38] Hey Rovanion [08:39] Xenial does have gtk 3.18 if I'm not mistaken and gtk inspector should be included since 3.14. [08:39] !info gtk-inspector [08:39] Package gtk-inspector does not exist in xenial [08:39] !info gtk [08:39] Package gtk does not exist in xenial [08:39] I'm not stat simple... [08:39] s/stat/that/ [08:40] hi. no big bug coming from beta 2 yet? I can install confidently beta 2 ? apart from the swap bug [08:41] if you need to ask dont use alpha/betas :) [08:41] :-) [08:41] solsTiCe: It probably goes without saying but you shouldn't install the beta if you don't want to beta-test, i.e. experience bug. [08:41] s/bug/bugs/ [08:42] and it depends heavily on your hardware, software and usage if you experience some bugs. [08:42] I plan to reinstall but it's a shame to install now a 1510 given that 1604 is so close from coming out [08:42] Yup, for example on my hardware the Xenial kernel paniced on suspend caused by low battery. [08:43] While mainline didn't. [08:43] solsTiCe: why is that a shame? you can upgrade to 16.04 anytime untill july [08:43] Rovanion: if it's a upstream bug, it light not be fixed when 1604 come out [08:43] solsTiCe: It was not present upstream. [08:44] Rovanion: ok [08:44] go for 1510 then [08:44] Turns out I needed to install libgtk-3-dev to get the inspector. [09:14] !yay Rovanion [09:23] And if anyone in here has gtk experience any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated: http://askubuntu.com/questions/752204/remove-grey-border-around-pavucontrol-in-16-04 [11:24] hi. What is this new option in the installer that enable to turn off secure boot ? which third party driver don't support secure boot ? [11:25] why wasn't it a problem before ? [12:30] i made a huge mistake [12:30] i mean, hello happy people [12:30] i'm looking for help with systemd [12:30] * meena plays spoopy music in the background === enyc_ is now known as enyc [13:11] Han: seems like [13:22] Howdy all [13:22] bjornar__, use file(1) to know for sure. [13:25] howdy all, again [13:27] Han, dont have that here atm, either or, the file should not be of that size! [13:42] qemu: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-i386/Packages.xz Hash Sum mismatch [13:42] qemu: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-i386/Packages Writing more data than expected (9439129 > 9438897) [IP: 91.189.91.23 80] [13:42] any idea? [13:42] (and hello) [13:43] https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/391c342aa64d32e7386071ea31f1c0d0 this is with official nvidia drivers package was installed [13:46] official nvidia means? the one from the website? [13:47] thresh: either wait, change mirrors or rm the apt lists [13:49] k1l: would rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* be enough? [13:49] yes [13:49] I guess I could add that to preseed/late_command, then [13:49] thanks [13:49] k1l: the ones from ubuntu, and not some ppa [13:50] salamanderrake: is "linux-generic" installed? [13:50] oh in that it's already there :| [13:50] s/that/fact/ [13:50] I guess I'll wait for the release then [13:50] linux-generic/xenial,now 4.4.0.16.17 amd64 [installed] [13:51] salamanderrake: so look at dmesg what happening [13:53] salamanderrake: looks like there is no nvidia module build. so there must have been an error when installing the nvidia [13:53] so look at the syslogs what happening now. and look at the apt logs if there was an error [13:56] k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15567920/ [13:57] k1l: that is /var/crash/nvidia-361.0.crash [14:01] salamanderrake: well, file bug then [14:01] ok [14:17] thresh, looks like a server side problem, I have it as well. [14:18] Will automatically be fixed in a while. [14:20] k1l: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-16-generic (x86_64) is the error [14:20] Han: thanks! [14:20] k1l: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361/+bug/1564425 [14:20] Launchpad bug 1564425 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-361 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-361 Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-16-generic (x86_64)" [Undecided,New] [14:26] you think it could be because I have cc and c++ pointed to clang instead of gcc/g++? [14:28] hello i have a problem installing ubuntu 16.04 with liveusb [14:28] yeah thats the problem k1l [14:29] when i select 'remove 14.04 and install 16.04' it says it's gonna install ext4 on 6-th partition (it's my current swap partition) and swap on 5-th (it's my ext4 partition with ubuntu 14.04) [14:30] so i'm gonna end with 8 gigs for ubuntu and 120 gigs swap space :( [14:31] heya, I'm trying to get gstreamer's ffmpeg plugin installed, and I can't seem to get xenial to understand that I want to use trusty-media's repository; it keeps telling me [14:31] E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/mc3man/trusty-media/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file. [14:31] N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. [14:32] I've told apt Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true; in apt.conf [14:32] but to no avail [14:32] rud0lf, choose "something else" in the partitoner for ubuntu or manual for kubuntu/kde/plasma install, then you can setup th epartition without interfernce from the automatic app [14:32] BluesKaj: won't it mess with grub? [14:33] i've seen something similar on ubuntu installation manual [14:33] nvm, i read it wrong [14:33] wish me luck [14:34] nope.grub will update at he end of the install or id not then you can update it afterwards, depending on whether you have other OSs installed [14:37] hey guys, anybody tried installing ubuntu to a zfs 'partition'? [14:52] meldron, why? [15:01] meldron, Works fine, but not from regular installer. You have to use debootstrap from a livecd or other already-installed system [15:03] python3-pip depends on 600Mb of external packages, nice.. fucking morons [15:17] bjornar__, language please [15:17] BluesKaj, yeah, sorry. Just wanted you to understand my frustration [15:17] bjornar__: even if you do --no-install-recommends ? [15:18] and substitute insult would be more appropriate :-) [15:19] Pici, I really dont know, but I mean -- anyway [15:20] And funnily it does not depend on setuptools, which is the only this that is more or less allways required [15:20] er, okay.... [15:21] Pici, the package I want is ~500k .. I get 600Mb .. see the point? [15:22] bjornar__: I do. But you probably installed it with the recommended dependencies.. which are optional. This is the case for every package you install. [15:22] Pici, look yourself [15:23] I don't have a 16.04 test system here. [15:23] then leave this channel immediately! ;) [15:24] bjornar__, which package ? [15:24] BluesKaj: python3-pip [15:24] BluesKaj, python3-pip [15:25] hmm, 554Kb installed size , it must be bringing other packages with it [15:28] bjornar__, it's installing 7 associated packages/dependencies as well [15:29] BluesKaj, yeah, and that makes some 100ds of mbs? [15:46] bjornar__, muon doesn't show the size of the dependencies [15:49] I use the package manager as a reference for package info etc... still use the real muon , not the new muon discover that's default on Kubuntu Xenial [15:50] hi. why does one is forced to turn off "Secure boot" with bcmwl-kernel-source wifi module ? It was working fine before except some bug may be === jonathan_xx is now known as jonathan_zz [16:11] hi all! I've faced a bug with installation of uwsgi-plugin-python - package is failing during postinst, fix is already proposed to debian, but when it would be backported to ubuntu? [16:24] y0 [16:24] last day to get 16.04 before release month [16:24] everyone rush [16:25] monester: fix *proposed* to debian, or fix *already released* to Debian? [16:25] then swamt the support stuff with prerelease problems [16:25] I like Kubuntu16.04 .. a lot [16:26] still room for improvement but GUI that'd make 90's users drool [16:28] I've been operating mah computers since '87'ish [16:29] I had friends who had.. one had some weird video game console we could play pong on [16:29] then another friend got Commodore 64 [16:30] There were some really good games [16:30] Broderbund was one awesome game studio in those times [16:31] teward it is released https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818116 [16:31] Debian bug 818116 in uwsgi-plugin-python "uwsgi-plugin-python: post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Important,Open] [16:31] The helicopter game Broderbund Games made was so awesome taking game design and technological advancement [16:31] monester: um, no, that's not 'fixed' [16:31] sprites graphics [16:31] monester: it's still open? [16:32] * jubo2 10 yr plan: "Get wealthy enough to purchase machine that will run Elite Dangerous with gameable speed." [16:32] * meena considers some infinite screaming into the void [16:32] teward: it is "Fixed in version uwsgi/2.0.12-5", and I can see it in packages.debian.org [16:32] Nukien: so i install a system an then copy all the files? [16:33] BluesKaj: cause i want to use it for my ssd [16:33] i've updated this joyful systemd bug, which makes my computer take ~2+ minutes to reboot https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1620 [16:33] I want to play Elite Dangerous.. twas 80's last I really gamed it [16:34] i'm super looking forward to running systemd in production on servers… [16:40] teward: yeah, bug is reopened, sorry for bothering . I was looking on cached page [16:40] meldron, Yup, that's one way. I have a script to handle it if you want - pastebin.com/fa83QrBk [16:40] Runs from a livecd [16:41] Nukien: thanks i will look into it [16:42] Win Eurojackpot yes.. Now I gotta go degut some vendace [16:42] Then I'ma make mi mix of coarse wheat flour and salt [16:42] cast iron pan, lot of oil, would use butter but couldn't afford [16:43] flip-flip-flip-flip in the flours-'n-salt mix [16:43] fry till cruch. Serve with lemon and mayo of fav choice of coocuissineur [16:44] Nukien: oh it looks quite sufisticated [16:48] meldron, why zfs though, what's the advantage over ext4? [16:50] brb, gotta switch server [17:28] mh turns out the upgrade space estimate is way off ._. [17:28] said it needed 2.6g, 3.9g was not enough and not even close to done [17:32] is it normal that every item in software center is marked as proprietary? [17:50] o/ any known issues with 16.04 and surround sound. seems once I install nvidia driver selecting 6 channels in alsamixer doesn't stick after a reboot (and I never get the oppertunity to set 5.1 from the new sound settings interface)?! [18:08] so anyone tried unity8? [18:14] !unity8 [18:14] Unity8 is the next Unity Desktop running on Mir. It is already used on the smartphones running ubuntu-touch (!touch) and can be tested on the Desktop with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC [18:14] its not the standard desktop in 16.04 [18:15] BluesKaj: what do you mean? it has several features ext4 is missing [18:16] k1l_, Has its status changed from 15.10? I mean will it be presented to "non-expert" users as a valid choice for typical productivity work? Or more a "at your own risk" !!EXPERIMENTAL!! [18:17] Well, it would require people to install it manually, which is not something that all users are comfortable with. [18:18] Pici, was that for me? [18:18] Squarism: kinda. [18:19] meldron: and OpenZFS on Linux is missing features that ext4 has; such as SSD/SCSI TRIM/DISCARD support [18:25] meldron, it's your call, but definitely not recommended for ubuntu and it's flavours [18:27] neat, upgraded my first main desktop to 16.04 and despite open source amd drivers it feels a lot snappier [18:28] the new font is normal? [18:29] with fonts I never know if its intentional or some config problem ._. [18:29] looks weird but probably because its new [19:09] BluesKaj: just wanted to try it, why is it not recommended [19:12] whats your opinion about btrfs? [19:16] !zfs [19:16] For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS [19:16] !btrfs [19:16] Btrfs is a new filesystem available for Ubuntu. It is currently marked as experimental, and should not be used for important data. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs [19:17] meldron: there might be some teething problems as ZFS is integrated into Ubuntu fully. It's intention is for virtualised systems typically used in hosting services, etc. [19:18] Not to mention the whole licensing thing, which hasn't fully been digested, imho. === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [19:20] Pici: licensing is the last of my worries [19:21] meldron: I personally don't really care.. but if Canonical was told to remove it from the OS, I wouldn't really like it if I was running that locally. [19:27] Licensing isn't as big an issue as is made out, although it is interesting [19:38] hm [19:39] so I am really undecided NOW [19:39] sorry [19:42] brfs has a lot of fans but. I think the fans are mostly people who like sacrificing something for something else they think they can use or need. [19:42] btrfs*. [19:43] a bit like... cutting off an ear so you'll have less air resistance as you run ;-) :P. [19:44] every distro does btrfs differently. OpenSUSE just has a tool built around it. [19:45] mostly because of the snapshotting ability. And thin LVM is not supported by grub, nor readily available in a new installation. [19:46] it is very troublesome to use thin LVM on a root volume, and impossible on boot. [19:47] OpenSUSE's leader (Brown Richard) is a great fan of btrfs because you can basically version files with it. [19:48] we've seen a lot of data corruption bugs with it over the last 24 months or so that I recall [19:48] I just call him Brown Richard lol. [19:48] I suppose so, I wouldn't be surprised :). [19:49] They keep saying how stable it has become which kinda proves that stability has been an issue right. [19:50] It was like that Theme Hospital clone of which they said "It doesn't crash as often anymore". [19:50] haha [19:51] (original TH was rock stable). [19:52] Well, if the F-35 can have crashing computers, we can't complain about BTRFS :) [19:53] for a moment I thought that was a fedora version :p (has been reading too much on linux). [19:54] ZFS works perfectly under Ubuntu, 14.04 or 16.04. There is no clean "install to zfs" yet, but that will be coming [19:54] If you do it manually, it works swimmingly [19:55] xfs works fine too [19:55] i stick to ext3 :p. [19:55] I have no need for other filesystems whatsoever at this point. [19:56] wasnt support for ext3 stopped? ext4 is the actual ext FS [19:56] I tried XFS and was meaning to benchmark it, but never got around it I think. But you can't shrink XFS, and that sucked. [19:57] maybe you'd confuse the ext4 driver with the ext3 filesystem. in that sense. [19:57] it might be the ext4 driver running ext3 filesystems. [19:59] just with less features, that's all. [20:01] I like where the kernel is headed... separating the notion of 'block storage device' from 'naming scheme', that path will lead to the eradication of file systems :) [20:02] hah? [20:02] that's like saying you can eradicate roads by voting to abolish road signs. [20:02] haha [20:03] I mean eradicating filesystems would be something you'd need to choose and THEN implement, it couldn't just happen by happenstance right. [20:04] no, it's actually a great concept. right now the FS drivers are tied into the block layer; some recent discussions about capabilities for some specialised devices raised some discussion about benefits of separation [20:04] like oh we did something to the kernel now we have solved the mystery of life on other planets. [20:04] it came out of Linus strongly rejecting some patches that added an IOCTL [20:05] so the goal is for FS drivers to no longer have access to block devices, hence rendering them inoperational :P. [20:06] last 2 paras of http://lwn.net/Articles/680708/ [20:06] waaa I have to pay for that. [20:07] worth every penny [20:07] unless I instantly time warp into 7 april! [20:07] *changes his computer clock* [20:07] or you can wait 2-4 weeks until it becomes open [20:07] *darn it doesn't work * :P. [20:08] oh, it's only a week's wait from publication and that was published March 24th [20:08] actually considering the amount of free material on the web I can also read, I consider that $7 better spent on a sandwich :p. [20:09] LWN has in-depth articles about Linux and by Linux kernel devs [20:13] hm hm and I have hunger :p. [20:13] ha [20:29] Can someone try to pull this one in time for 16.04 [20:29] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/2928