[06:10] <jose> yes, there are 3
[06:11] <jose> whoops, sorry!
[08:20] <knightwise> so , anyone order the tablet yet ,
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> not me
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> i have nexus7 tablets with touch and bq 4.5 phone already
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> and ubuntu desktop on all my computers
[08:23] <knightwise> lotuspsychje: would you think its actually going to be usefull ? the whole convergience thing ?
[08:24] <knightwise> so far I fail to be impressed by most of the apps on my bq phone
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: very
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: im very impressed with all, having a secure Os on machines, not those malware android apps..
[08:28] <knightwise> thats true. i run linux on my laptop too and stuff.
[08:29] <knightwise> and not having an fbi-compromised os might indeed be usefull on your tablet.
[08:29] <knightwise> so do you use the nexus a lot in combination with a keyboard and a mouse ,
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: i look at it this way, the longer ubuntu-touch continues, the more apps will make birth
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: no, only touch based myself
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: also 16.04 will make a big impact on the world with unity7 and unity8
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: that means you will be able to install unity8 on other tablets aswell
[08:34] <knightwise> Running the beta now in a Vm
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: im on daily 16.04 also
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> running like rocket
[08:35] <knightwise> lotuspsychje: it is indeed very smooth.
[08:35] <knightwise> i've been running 1404 on my Dell Xps13 for a while now and I have to say i'm very pleased
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> nice
[08:37] <knightwise> during the week I haul the Macbook pro to work (i'm a freelance consultant) , during the weekends and for all things related to my own projects .. its the xps13
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> great
[08:51] <dpm> rvr, sil2100, good morning! Coming back from the Easter break and catching up on e-mails, I've been looking at the status of the indicator-session package for translations. Have you guys figured out why it's not importing/exporting its translations to/from Launchpad? Is it just a matter of the package needing to create the .pot file on build?
[08:51] <dpm> la_juyis ^
[08:51] <sil2100> dpm: hey! Not sure, I see the template on LP now
[08:52] <sil2100> It was probably somehow misconfigured, someone probably uploaded the template by hand
[08:55] <knightwise> what was the name again of the mail client app that you comes preinstalled  ?
[08:56] <sil2100> dpm, pitti: while we're at the topic of translations... I was also looking at two bugs: LP: #1556120 and LP: #1550703
[08:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1556120 in Canonical System Image "Include Breton and Welsh in Ubuntu Touch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556120
[08:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1550703 in langpack-o-matic "Gaelic language pack is outdated" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550703
[08:56] <sil2100> knightwise: I think you mean Dekko?
[08:56] <knightwise> yep !
[08:57] <knightwise> do any of you know if they are planning to tie in dekko with the address book ?
[08:57] <knightwise> would be great to have your contacts available in Dekko
[08:57] <sil2100> dpm, pitti: as per my comment on #1556120, I really think we shouldn't count all the translations we pull in but only those that actually matter (so the ones we export to touch users for translation in ubuntu-rtm/15.04)
[08:57] <DanChapman> knightwise, yes that is planned. I just haven't got to it yet :-)
[08:57] <dpm> sil2100, the template you see I think is the one I uploaded by hand last week
[08:58] <DanChapman> knightwise, you can import them into dekko for now though
[08:58] <sil2100> dpm, pitti: otherwise bugs like these will pop-up, with users translating in ubuntu-rtm/15.04 as much as possible but still not getting their langpacks accepted (due to missing translations in normal vivid)
[09:01] <knightwise> DanChapman: are you the devolper ?
[09:01] <rvr> sil2100: +1
[09:02] <DanChapman> knightwise, yes I am.
[09:02] <knightwise> Wanna say you are doing an awesome job. Dekko is the only "missing link" to going fulltime with my Ubuntu-phone. I use it for my business and have a Gmail environment so having the contacts there is key.
[09:02] <knightwise> So thanx for all the work you are putting in !
[09:03] <pitti> sil2100: we currently use dpm's stats (like http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/data/ubuntu-l10n/ubuntu_xenial_potemplate-stats.json) to determine which domains we include and which we ignore
[09:03] <pitti> sil2100: so should some of them be lowered, so that they don't get included any more and count into the statistics?
[09:03] <pitti> I guess that's an exercise in going through the domains we currently ship, and lower the prio for those that we don't need
[09:04] <DanChapman> knightwise, your welcome! The next update is going to bring a lot of stability (It's a little fragile atm) and some cool new features. I'm looking forward to getting it out :-)
[09:12] <knightwise> Awesome DanChapman :) I'll keep an eye out
[09:13] <la_juyis> dpm, I think Lucasz has been working on it, victor ruiz has more info no it
[09:18] <MasseR> Oh yeah, is there some way to watch netflix on utouch?
[09:20] <sil2100> pitti: hm, ok
[09:23] <sil2100> pitti: good to know that, thanks :)
[09:26] <sil2100> dpm: hey! How is the http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/data/ubuntu-l10n/ubuntu_xenial_potemplate-stats.json file generated?
[09:29] <sil2100> pitti: actually, I see we're still using the wily potemplate stats instead of the xenial ones, let me push a quick fix
[09:51] <dpm> sil2100, it's a database dump from Launchpad, generated on a cron job from LP itself
[09:51] <sil2100> dpm: where are the priorities coming from?
[09:54] <dpm> sil2100, we enter them manually in the LP admin web UI
[09:58] <tathhu> Anyone preordered tablet yet/not afk? Should I see it on on my bq accounts order page?
[09:59] <mcphail> tathhu: from my memory of the bq pre-order process last year with the phone, don't hold your breath in expectation of communication!
[10:00] <tathhu> :(
[10:01] <mcphail> tathhu: IIRC, the order confirmation only came through about 4 days after the phone was delivered
[10:04] <sil2100> dpm: hm, I'm trying to think of a way to tweak such priorities but only for our touch package needs
[10:04] <sil2100> dpm: do you think that would be possible?
[10:06] <dpm> sil2100, sure
[10:08] <dpm> sil2100, what were you thinking of?
[10:16] <sil2100> dpm: currently we have this problem that in touch those languages that are fairly well translated in ubuntu-rtm/15.04 don't get picked up by langpack-o-matic
[10:17] <sil2100> dpm: for instance, looking at gaelic on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+lang/gd , it seems that the translation coverage is ~75% which should be 'good enough'
[10:18] <sil2100> dpm: while l-o-m rejected it as it calculated 59%, as it's taking more applications into consideration than we see in LP
[10:19] <sil2100> dpm: so we'd somehow need to make it so that for touch language-packs, l-o-m should only really care about those apps that we say have user-visible strings
[10:20] <sil2100> dpm: part of the problem might be that we don't have potemplate stats for just ubuntu-rtm/15.04... I guess we're using the wily ones (switched to xenial now)
[10:39] <dpm> sil2100, actually, I think that's the main problem
[10:39] <sil2100> dpm: could you maybe 'fix up' a stats output for ubuntu-rtm/15.04?
[10:51] <dpm> sil2100, done, CC'd you on the request
[12:51] <dpm> sil2100, pitti, ubuntu-rtm/15.04 translation exports are now enabled. They should be available tomorrow in the next run at http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/data/ubuntu-l10n
[12:59] <sil2100> dpm: \o/
[12:59] <sil2100> dpm: woo! Thanks
[13:00] <sil2100> dpm, pitti: I'll switch the l-o-m later since right now we want to do a manual langpack run so we need the old configs still
[13:42] <mike00> hi
[13:43] <mike00> is correct that on my Bq Aquaris E4.5 the GPS doesn't work?
[13:46] <Walex> mike00: it worked for me brifly 2-3 OTA updates ago, it converged very very slowly though (several hours in optimal conditions).
[13:47] <Walex> mike00: the other location service, based on WiFi ESSIDs, does not seem to work either.
[13:50] <Walex> mike00: the other major bit that is not supported is writing the SIM contact list (and reading individual entries is not supported either).
[13:52] <mike00> so i can't use the GPS?
[13:52] <Walex> mike00: you can try... :-)
[13:52] <Walex> mike00: enable it and see if it works for you.
[13:53] <Walex> mike00: BTW, if you just got your Aquaris, it is really important that you get an over-the-air update.
[13:54] <mike00> I update ti to  OTA 9.1
[13:54] <mike00> it+
[13:54] <mike00> *
[13:54] <Walex> mike00: good.
[13:55] <Walex> mike00: you can get the "SensorStatus" app, and it will tell that it has found a supported backend for GPS, but then I get no data.
[13:55] <mike00> i got it
[13:56] <mike00> but now it's the first time i see something in the
[13:56] <mike00> GPS tab...
[13:57] <mike00> but with altimeter, compass, gyroscope and pressure it say "no data available"
[13:58] <mike00> is it correct?
[14:04] <mike00> but with OSMTouch it say "Geolocation failed", what can i do?
[14:19] <dobey> pmcgowan: ^^ what was the wiki page for the location service debugging?
[14:19] <pmcgowan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/location-service#Forensics
[14:20] <pmcgowan> dobey, ^
[14:23] <dobey> mike00: ^^ have you tried the things in that wiki page?
[14:24] <mike00> what shall I do?
[14:24] <dobey> the last two bullet points in that section should be helpful
[14:25] <dobey> thre's also some tips on that page for debugging the HERE bits
[14:25] <dobey> might want to try those
[14:25] <dobey> Walex: ^^ you too
[14:32] <mike00> ok thanks
[14:37] <tvoss> mike00, sensor status app not reporting certain sensors is expected
[14:38] <mike00> now I'm trying to create an app for ubuntu touch in qml, but how can I change the start window?
[14:38] <mike00> sme people can cancge the backgorund color
[14:39] <mike00> and some other change all, like the omg ubuntu app....
[14:39] <mike00> how can i do it?
[14:50] <dobey> mike00: you mean the splash screen?
[14:51] <mike00> i dont' now what is its name...
[14:51] <mike00> but i think yes
[14:52] <dobey> the screen that just shows the icon and name when you start an app?
[14:53] <mike00> yes
[14:54] <dobey> i'm not sure, but i think they are settings in the .desktop file
[14:58] <mike00> and what i have to change?
[15:17] <greyback> mike00: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/splash-screens/
[15:18] <mike00> thanks
[15:19] <dobey> mike00: you might also want to join #ubuntu-app-devel if you're developing an app
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> If I want to mock QScreen, do I need to write my own QPA plugin?
[15:22] <dobey> i guess like much of qt, you'd probably need to abstract it, if you want to mock it with googlemock in tests
[15:22] <dobey> writing a qpa plugin wouldn't mock it, it would fake it
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> dobey, I guess that's sort-of what I want to do. I want to be able to test the Screen interface on the web side in Oxide (including orientationchange events)
[15:25] <dobey> chrisccoulson: i guess the best option would be to have an abstraction in oxide, so you can mock those actions in unit tests
[15:26] <dobey> integration tests would be another level
[15:27] <mike00> bye, i have to go
[15:31] <greyback> chrisccoulson: pretty much, yes. Qt internally creates a QScreen, backed by whatever QPlatformScreen implementation you've made in the QPA plugin
[15:33] <greyback> chrisccoulson: this is a test qpa plugin I wrote for a similar purpose some time ago: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/files/head:/tests/unit/custom_qpa/
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> Ah, thanks. Will take a look
[17:11] <aquarius> does anyone know about Ubuntu.Thumbnailer, other than michi? :)
[17:20] <aquarius> my basic question (which is about file url thumbnailing, not album art) is: if I use image://thumbnailer/file:///path/to/thing.jpg to get a thumbnail of thing.jpg, and then later I *delete* /path/to/thing.jpg, and then later still I use the thumbnailer path image://thumbnailer/file:///path/to/thing.jpg again, does it still work? There's a cache; does stuff stay in the cache after the original is deleted? Can I gu
[17:20] <aquarius> arantee that the cache won't be cleared?
[17:23] <pmcgowan> marcustomlinson, might know
[17:24] <aquarius> cheers pmcgowan
[17:24] <pmcgowan> aquarius, how are things?
[17:24] <aquarius> I know michi and jamesh worked on it, but they ain't around
[17:25] <aquarius> pmcgowan, things go well! Currently building a phone app :-)
[17:25] <pmcgowan> hey nice
[17:26] <aquarius> cor, xchat-gnome crash. that's not ideal :)
[17:26] <aquarius> marcustomlinson, do you know details of Ubuntu.Thumbnailer?
[17:27] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: that is the idea yeah. So the path should be intercepted found in cache and returned
[17:27] <aquarius> marcustomlinson, cool. What I'm worried about, though, is how often the cache is cleared
[17:27] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: good question
[17:28] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: I would have to have a look into the project to answer that
[17:28] <aquarius> Specifically here, I use the ContentHub to fetch an image from somewhere else (like the Gallery). I want to keep a *thumbnail* of that image around, but I don't want to keep the whole original image around because I don't need it
[17:28] <aquarius> So what I'd like to do is fetch the image via the Content Hub, get a thumbnail of it, and then let the Content Hub clean up the transferred image
[17:28] <aquarius> but then, if I do that, and the Thumbnailer throws its cache away, then I've lost my thumbnail.
[17:29] <aquarius> And there seems to be no way from QML to store the thumbnailer output anywhere. (Well, I could draw it into a QML Canvas and then export it from there, but if I'm doing that then I might as well do that with the original and not bother with the Thumbnailer at all.)
[17:29] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: sure, so the underlying cache is implemented in https://launchpad.net/persistent-cache-cpp
[17:30] <marcustomlinson> I'm having a look now to see if I can pick out the expiry logic
[17:30] <aquarius> supports both LRU and TTL, but I don't think there's a way of explicitly specifying that per-thumbnail, so it all depends on the default configuration :)
[17:33] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: looks like each entry you place in the cache is assigned a expiry_time, now to look what thumbnailer sets that too
[17:33] <aquarius> yeah, that's what I'm looking for
[17:34] <aquarius> would be lovely if I could request image://thumbnailer/file:///path/to/image.jpg?expires=never :)
[17:35] <dobey> why would you set it to never?
[17:36] <dobey> what is your actual goal? :)
[17:36] <aquarius> see above :)
[17:37] <dobey> aquarius: apparmor might be more of a problem here
[17:37] <aquarius> Basically, I have an app in which you can share photos to other people. I would like to keep a record of all the photos you've shared so I can show you a list of thumbnails of all previously shared photos.
[17:37] <aquarius> I don't want to keep all the actual photos around once you've shared them because I don't need them and that's a terrible waste of disk space
[17:38] <aquarius> There doesn't seem to be a QML way to say "thumbnail this image and save the result"; you have to implicitly rely on the thumbnailer doing the caching for you. I'm fine with that, but I don't know whether and how often the thumbnailer clears its cache.
[17:38] <dobey> aquarius: so, thumbnailer checks if the requesting app's security profile is allowed access to read the file being requested a thumbnail for; and since your app would be confined, it won't be able to get the thumbnail anyway, afaict
[17:39] <aquarius> ah, I explained this above -- I'm asking for a thumbnail of an image that I've received via the Content Hub, so I do have access to it.
[17:39] <dobey> aquarius: not exactly
[17:39] <aquarius> but I want to thumbnail it, and then I'm happy for the Content Hub to throw away its version.
[17:40] <dobey> you get the image data via content-hub, not by reading it off disk directly. and being granted access to receive the data via content-hub doesn't modify the apparmor profile of your app to grant you direct read access to that file
[17:40] <aquarius> hrm, really?
[17:40] <aquarius> OK, fair enough
[17:41] <aquarius> so I'll have to .move() the ContentHub file to somewhere I do have access to, and thumbnail it there.
[17:41] <aquarius> I'd still like to be able to delete that .move()d file once I have a thumbnail of it, though.
[17:41] <dobey> right, you'll have to store the data elsewhere, or perhaps use the gallery:// uri or something instead of file://
[17:42] <dobey> hmm, where is ken
[17:42] <aquarius> he's driving. :)
[17:42] <aquarius> I'm not worried about the Content Hub part of this, though
[17:42] <dobey> on a thursday? pfft
[17:42] <aquarius> it's more about: how can I keep a thumbnail of an image without keeping the original image around?
[17:42] <dobey> well, what you want is history, right?
[17:43] <dobey> it's not about the "content hub" part of it, really
[17:43] <aquarius> Answers: (1) keep the original image around, (2) call the thumbnailer and then save the thumbnailer output to a file, (3) rely on the thumbnailer keeping a cached version of the thumbnail forever
[17:43] <dobey> scale the image down to the size you want, and keep it instead
[17:43] <aquarius> as far as I can tell, I can't sensibly do (2) from QML.
[17:43] <aquarius> there's no way that I can cache the output.
[17:44] <dobey> well, QML doesn't have file i/o APIs, right
[17:44] <aquarius> (I can do it non-sensibly by drawing the cached image into a canvas and saving the output, but if I'm doing that then I might as well do it with the original and not bother with the Thumbnailer at all!)
[17:44] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: I would have to relay your question about the expiry to michi unfortunately
[17:44] <dobey> i think the expiry doesn't matter
[17:45] <aquarius> marcustomlinson, no problem. I've been looking through the code myself and I can't find where the thumbnailer sets the cache expiry time on a cached image :)
[17:45] <dobey> it shouldn't matter to your application if the thumbnailer cach is expired or not
[17:46] <aquarius> Right. This is a misuse of the term "cache", I know. However, since I want to create thumbnails, it seemed sensible to have the dedicated Thumbnailer component do it because it's better at it than me... but it seems that I can't.
[17:47] <dobey> well, from your description above it sounds like what you're trying to do is use the thumbnailer cache as a history db, insted of keeping your own history db
[17:47] <aquarius> yup
[17:47] <aquarius> Because I want to make a history db of thumbnails, and it seemed that the obvious way to populate that DB was to use the thumbnailer
[17:47] <dobey> the thumbnail itself is extraneous data. it's not the data you need to keep; but it is what you want to display in the UI
[17:48] <aquarius> but it's not really for that. It's for displaying a small version of an image you already possess. It's not a filter which gives you back thumbnails that you then decide what to do with.
[17:48] <aquarius> That's fine, and this whole conversation has helped with that, which is why I asked the question :)
[17:49] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: as far as I can tell, thumbnails are pushed to the db with no expiry time specified. Which looks to default to infinite (no expiry)
[17:50] <dobey> it seems to me like what you should do is store the list of URIs you get from content-hub when an image is given to you via content-hub, and request thumbnails for those URIs when you want to display them, but the list itself is something you should maintain in your app with LocalStorage or U1DB or something
[17:50] <aquarius> marcustomlinson, that's my conclusion too (modulo that I'm not good at C :)), but dobey's right, I shouldn't be *relying* on that.
[17:50] <aquarius> so, no thumbnailer for me :)
[17:50] <marcustomlinson> aquarius: ok, at least you got an answer
[17:50] <marcustomlinson> :)
[17:50] <marcustomlinson> good luck!
[17:50] <aquarius> marcustomlinson, thank you for the confirmation!
[17:50] <marcustomlinson> np
[17:51] <dobey> also, the thumbnailer doesn't have a history of what thumbnails your app has asked for, so you can't query the thumbnailer and say "give me all thumbnails which i've asked for before" anyway
[18:18] <ahayzen> Hi, I wonder if anyone has had this on mako or maybe other devices...You get a notification while the phone is in your pocket, you take the device out, the screen turns on automatically. You move your finger to drag down from the top left corner, but doing that causes the proximity sensor to think that it has gone back in your pocket so turns the screen off. Then you lift your finger, the screen comes back on. Then you lower your finger
[18:18] <ahayzen> again and the process repeats, until you don't trigger the sensor :-)
[18:20] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, yes thats being tracked
[18:21] <ahayzen> oo :-)
[18:21] <pmcgowan> once the screen comes on once we need to stop watching proximity
[18:21]  * ahayzen wondered if it was just him being clumsy 
[18:21] <ahayzen> yeah that'd fix it :-)
[18:22] <ahayzen> thanks pmcgowan good to know it's being tracked
[18:55] <zubozrout> Hi. I have a huge problem regarding Ubuntu on my Nexus 7 2013 LTE (deb). I've been using Vojtěch Boček's tasemnice.eu server ever since I bought the tablet - I also bought the device because I knew if was officially supported, but sadly I soon realised that only the WiFi version is really supported. Anyway, back to my question: tasemnice.eu broke more than a month ago as the keyring has expired and Vojtěch seems to be ign
[18:55] <zubozrout> So I tried to build the system on my own using this guide https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ ... and was able to complete it except for the last step ... that is this: "./rootstock-touch-install vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz out/target/product/mako/system.img" ... it flashes the image to the booted recovery and starts extracting it but it freezes on that with no error being d
[18:55] <zubozrout> and I don't know what may be going on wrong and have no idea how to debug this.
[18:56] <zubozrout> Also, after my request, a new image server has added support for deb http://system-image.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/deb/ but sadly when trying to install any of the versions present it only boots to recovery, pushes the required data and when the installation starts I end up with the "This phone needs restoring from a PC or service center." message on the screen.
[18:56] <zubozrout> - also with no idea how to debug this to sent to the server maintainer who has no Nexus 7 LTE to test this on his own :(.
[18:56] <zubozrout> Could you please help me out? I would prefer the system-image.ubports.com server to have a functional image so others can enjoy as well so I would be happy for any advice on this primarily.
[19:11] <zubozrout> I cal only see this in the log, that may be relevant to th installation not being successful: I:Checking for extendedcommand... I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found... though maybe not, I have no idea :(
[19:14] <dobey> zubozrout: were you using multirom?
[19:21] <zubozrout> dobey: Well, I was using multirom for a while, then I switched completely to Ubuntu ... still using tasemnice.eu server. But now this doesn't work so Multirom wouldn't help ... or would it?
[19:21] <zubozrout> Also, I just tried this: /cache/recovery # system-image-upgrader ubuntu_command.applying  __bionic_open_tzdata: couldn't find any tzdata when looking for localtime! __bionic_open_tzdata: couldn't find any tzdata when looking for GMT! __bionic_open_tzdata: couldn't find any tzdata when looking for posixrules! Starting image upgrader: Thu Mar 31 19:16:33 GMT 2016 Loading keyring: archive-master.tar.xz swapon: /cache/recovery/S
[19:22] <dobey> how did you try to flash the device exactly? with rootstock-touch-install?
[19:24] <zubozrout> dobey: This is the command I used: ./rootstock-touch-install ./vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz ./../system.img  ... I saw the README and see that I could also build my own image, but that didn't works because of some dependency problem. So I downloaded the preinstalled images, tried both vivid and xenial.
[19:24] <dobey> yeah that is wrong
[19:24] <dobey> i don't know how you got to that but you did it verey wrong
[19:25] <dobey> first thing you need to do is go download the original 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 image tarball from google, for your device
[19:25] <dobey> then reboot your device to the bootloader, and do a full flash of android using the script in that tarball
[19:25] <dobey> then let it boot up into the android welcome screen
[19:26] <dobey> then reboot it to the bootloader again, and run "ubuntu-device-flash --server http://system-image.ubports.com touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed --bootstrap"
[19:28] <zubozrout> dobey: Ok, I am going to try this, but I think I did this already ... as I found a mention about this on stackoverflow + I remember that this happened to me back when tasemnice.eu still worked and that Android 5 or newer didn't work.
[19:29] <dobey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:29] <dobey> well i don't know what you did or didn't do, but i know what works
[19:30] <zubozrout> dobey: of course ... and I am very happy that you gave me this advice as I can at least move a bit closer to my goal. Thank you very much :)
[19:37] <zubozrout> dobey: lol, just flashed Android and got the broken Android logo ... where to robot is lying down with the exclamation mark in the red triangle above. But this also happened to me several times already - second flash fixed it.
[19:38] <dobey> ok
[19:42] <zubozrout> Hmm, sadly no change there :(. Installed the Android image, booted into welcome screen, rebooted to bootloader, started ubuntu-device-flash to install the image and I am back on the same error again :(
[19:42] <zubozrout> that is this: /cache/recovery # system-image-upgrader ubuntu_command.applying  __bionic_open_tzdata: couldn't find any tzdata when looking for localtime! __bionic_open_tzdata: couldn't find any tzdata when looking for GMT! __bionic_open_tzdata: couldn't find any tzdata when looking for posixrules! Starting image upgrader: Thu Mar 31 19:40:41 GMT 2016 Loading keyring: archive-master.tar.xz swapon: /cache/recovery/SWAP.img: Un
[19:43] <zubozrout> dobey: I'll try the 4.4.2 image for a change ... this was the 4.4.4
[19:45] <dobey> i don't know what that is, but if you want to paste long things like that, i suggest using paste.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <zubozrout> dobey: Huh, sorry about that :(, don't go here too often.
[20:05] <ahayzen> Hi, has anyone else noticed that you now get a double vibrate when clicking on any item in the gridviews that pushes a page to the stack, and is this 'expected' or a bug?
[20:08] <zubozrout> dobey: Huh, sadly Android 4.4.2 doesn't work either .. still the same error :(. What is it needed for anyway?
[20:08] <dobey> zubozrout: what is what needed for?
[20:10] <zubozrout> dobey: Well, I was wondering why is the Android part needed there.
[20:11] <dobey> zubozrout: well for one, you got it into the "needs restoring from a pc or retailer" state
[20:12] <dobey> zubozrout: flashing 4.4.4 back from factory ensures the device is in a working state with a version of android that the ubuntu recovery and flash tools are compatible with
[20:14] <zubozrout> dobey: Aha, ok. So that is not a pure system requirement but more the installation tools issue. Hmm, I wonder why the android is always broken once flashed directly after the unsuccessful Ubuntu installation. There is no need to flash it again apparently, reboot fixes this - but there may be a common problem there, though sadly my knowledge of this issue is practically none :(.
[20:16] <zubozrout> dobey: Hmm, well, it was in the broken state screen for about a minute and then it rebooted itself and started booting normally.
[20:16] <dobey> i have no idea what you've done to your device
[20:16] <dobey> i have a nexus 4 and nexus 5, and i've flashed ubuntu on both of them many many times
[20:16] <dobey> never broken them this badly
[20:17] <dobey> maybe you have a broken recovery still
[20:17] <zubozrout> dobey: Well, yeah, I know ... it is hard to debug remotely when there is a middle men who doesn't know what he is doing :(. Hmm, that is possible :(, it seems there is something more wrong about it.
[20:18] <zubozrout> dobey: But at least I still have Meizu MX4 to enjoy :), it is a great device and I love it :).
[20:27] <zubozrout> dobey: Do you know anyone with Nexus 7 LTE? It would be awesome if someone else could test this and give the http://system-image.ubports.com maintainer some feedback. I'll try to ask on G+. And in addition I would find out whether this is my device specific problem.
[20:29] <dobey> i don't
[20:33] <zubozrout> dobey: ok, no problem, maybe there will be someone on G+ crazy enough to do this :).
[20:39] <zubozrout> dobey: Anyway, thank you again for your help. I am happy to know where the problem is most likely and where should I look. Only hope I can fix this. If not, the device is going to be pretty much useless for me - I stopped using Android when I got the MX4 and don't want to go back. Bye :)
[20:41] <dobey> good luck :)
[21:03] <zubozrout> dobey: Huh, one thing I forgot to mention. If I install Flo's version (the officially supported Nexus 7 version), it works - except for sound, mobile data and the fact it behaves more like the tablet version with the dash being stuck in landscape and sidestage enabled - which is not the case on the supported hardware.
[21:05] <dobey> well that is the case; but i suppose your only experience is with very old images
[21:07] <Nexus4> Hello. Could you please point me to some resource on GPS troubleshooting on mako?
[21:07] <dobey> Nexus4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/location-service#Forensics
[21:07] <zubozrout> dobey: What do you mean by that? I flashed Flo's version just recently and the last time I had proper Ubuntu image installed on my tablet was about 5 weeks ago - that was the devel-proposed image as nothing else except devel was updated on tasemnice.eu
[21:09] <Nexus4> Thank you very much.
[21:10] <dobey> zubozrout: devel-proposed is untested and i'm not sure all the device config on it is right; it is built mainly as a sanity check.
[21:12] <zubozrout> dobey: Yes, I know. But I wasn't able to make Vojtěch Boček read my emails, or maybe he was just ignoring me, so devel or devel-proposed was the only thing I had though I knew rc-proposed or stable would be nicer to have.
[21:12] <dobey> yeah i don't know what happened with him
[21:14] <dobey> but anyway, flo should have the right setup for a tablet. afaik, the lock screen is meant to not rotate
[21:14] <zubozrout> dobey: Well, he is apparently still active - I saw him posting something on G+, was a new MultiROM release I suppose. But I am afraid he gave up on Ubuntu - or maybe he is rather busy lately.
[21:14] <dobey> no idea
[21:17] <zubozrout> dobey: oh, and I know ... Flo setup should work on Flo. What I meant by this is that it doesn't work that well on Deb - which is expected, I was surprised it booted up when I first tried this :).
[21:18] <dobey> zubozrout: i mean, aside from any hardware that doesn't work because flo doesn't have it, or because drivers are slightly different perhaps, the basic functionality of the system should be the same on both flo and deb
[21:20] <zubozrout> dobey: Aha, ok then :). But in that case there is the side-stage enabled on Flo which I thought was only available on Nexus 10 back when it was still supported.
[21:21] <dobey> right, the side stage is the tablet ui
[22:14] <mariogrip> The clock just went over to April 1st... From now on I don't trust anything for 24 Hours....
[22:57] <cwayne> mariogrip, thats smart :)
[22:58] <cwayne> mariogrip, you should add iphone to ubports page for the day :P
[22:59] <mariogrip> cwayne: Yeah, I might port Windows phone to the oneplus one
[22:59] <mariogrip> :)
[23:00] <mariogrip> let's just say, i have something planed :P