[03:26] <krytarik> If anyone wants to have a look before I push this to the -menu branch: http://paste.openstack.org/show/CJjsBGMD1fUGIZkclYpd/
[09:32] <sakrecoer> krytarik: in usr/share/applications/ubuntustudio-contribute.desktop
[09:32] <sakrecoer> line 38
[09:32] <sakrecoer> It should be "Lire comment rendre Ubuntu Studio meilleur !"
[09:32] <sakrecoer> or "Lisez comment vous pouvez rendre Ubuntu Studio meilleur !"
[09:34] <sakrecoer> but the first one is more sympathicaly neutral
[09:34] <sakrecoer> second option is in imperative, sounds a bit like an order.
[09:35] <sakrecoer> the current one is a mix a both, it's not wrong perse, but it's ugly.
[09:37] <sakrecoer> French, is a huge head f*** by nature anyways, i might get contradicted, so if you feel lazy, leave it as is.... HOwever, as it is now, i would take advantage of french vocabulary and put it like this:  "Lire comment aider à ameilleurer Ubuntu Studio"
[09:39] <sakrecoer> No, sorry rather "Lire comment ameilleurer Ubuntu Studio" No other language seems to say "_help_ make us better"
[09:40] <sakrecoer> "ameilleurer" is the exact verb to say "make better". "Rendre Meilleur" isn't wrong per-se but flags: "lack of vocabulary"
[09:41] <sakrecoer> zequence: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/zequence_reinterp_sakrecoer1604.png
[09:42] <sakrecoer> still just a sketch, the emission material makes the logo looks fater than it is...
[09:42] <sakrecoer> later today i'll show you the tile for dualscreen..
[09:43] <sakrecoer> that version i just posted is 3mb.. unsure if that isn't a bit much..
[09:48] <zequence> sakrecoer: Not bad. I still haven't checked knome's proposal for the CoFs. Will do that shortly, and then perhaps we should use those
[09:49] <sakrecoer> yes! that would be great!
[09:49] <zequence> The one I use has a bit of blue in the borders, since I gimped out the original blue off it. Gives it a bit of glow
[09:49] <sakrecoer> i used the old CoF in there, purely out of respect for you zequence :)
[09:50] <sakrecoer> i notice, and i have fixed the blender material to have a lower emission, and a bit of blue fresnel ;)
[09:50] <zequence> Looks pixely too, so that could be improved
[09:50] <sakrecoer> yeah, it happens in cycle when there is too much light... it has a value that a screen can't render..
[09:51] <zequence> sakrecoer: Does look even more Ubuntu now, though
[09:52] <sakrecoer> i know, that is the fold-line effect
[09:52] <sakrecoer> thought that was your intention with the second proposal..
[09:52] <zequence> sakrecoer: Not just that. Less color variation
[09:52] <zequence> Well, not entirely
[09:52] <zequence> I was looking for encapsulating the colors more clearly
[09:52] <sakrecoer> zequence: funny, id' say there are more variation, but never mind :)
[09:52] <zequence> looking to*
[09:52] <zequence> sakrecoer: Less of a range is what I mean
[09:53] <zequence> Or, less dynamic anyway
[09:53] <sakrecoer> there is less orange, agreed :)
[09:53] <zequence> There's no light blue at all either
[09:54] <sakrecoer> well, i based it on your first proposal.
[09:54] <sakrecoer> but i've put that blue in the fresnel of the logo now..
[09:54] <sakrecoer> ill show you later today
[09:56] <zequence> sakrecoer: Consider making it more tricolor. That is the original idea, after all
[09:57] <sakrecoer> ok, i will do!
[09:57] <sakrecoer> i'll upload the sources too, if you fancy tuning the colors.. :)
[10:03] <sakrecoer> i'll go eat now! cya in a bit!
[10:08] <zequence> sakrecoer: Alright
[10:18] <zequence> This aught to be my final version of this mockup. If I decide to release it somehow, I'll still fix a few details. I'm not considering it as a default wallpaper, anywho https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/eUygTMH2fI0Id2p
[12:11] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Nice spotting on the French translation there!  Those were synced from Xubuntu, and just adapted to our flavor name.  And eww indeed, I'll go with "Lire comment améliorer Ubuntu Studio !" then.
[12:38] <zequence> I'm kind of wondering now which desktop file should be where. The -menu should not include anything else except the additional multimedia menu logic, IMO. Since, it's not an integral part of the distro
[12:38] <zequence> So, help files and such should go in -default-settings, which you get with -desktop
[12:38] <zequence> Those go together
[12:39] <zequence> I'll have a go through of the sources and see what belongs where
[12:40] <zequence> Yeah, we should move those ubuntustudio info menu part into -default-settings
[12:42] <krytarik> I was thinking of the desktop-agnostic bit there.
[12:43] <zequence> We have some settings in -default-settings that aren't DE specific
[12:43] <krytarik> Anyway, should I just push those changes for now?  Because I'm just about to. :P
[12:43] <zequence> Sure
[12:46] <krytarik> Done.
[12:59] <zequence> The menu is not part of our distro, is what I mean. It's a component we use, but you can use it without Ubuntu Studio
[13:00] <zequence> The interesting part of it is how it uses freedesktop categories in order to sort out the multimedia starters
[13:00] <zequence> Well, that is what I've been working for it to do exclusively
[13:01] <zequence> So, the menu is not Ubuntu Studio specific. It's simply an enhanced freedesktop standard, tuned towards multimedia use
[13:01] <zequence> It could even be named something else, and added to Debian
[13:01] <zequence> ..so that all Debian derived can use it
[13:02] <zequence> Currently, it's very much customized towards Ubuntu Studio, which is not optimal, I think
[13:03] <zequence> But, there are more things that need to be changed, so I won't touch it right now
[13:03] <zequence> dependency on -installer, for instance
[13:11] <sakrecoer> got a strange update for Ubuntu Studio Base today, "XSL stylesheets for the yelp help browser"
[13:11] <sakrecoer> it warns me that "this will require installation from untrusted sources. :D
[13:11] <zequence> It's actually ubuntu base
[13:12] <zequence> It just renames it to ubuntustudio
[13:12] <zequence> Perhaps there's some non-free stuff in that?
[13:12] <zequence> Or, it's from Gnome directly, or something
[13:12] <zequence> Should be free stuff
[13:14] <sakrecoer> ok wondering why the "source is untrusted" then...
[13:16] <sakrecoer> just read a terrible article about yelp..
[13:16] <sakrecoer> off-topic anyway
[13:17] <zequence> It's a help browser. "untrusted sources" means it will download something not from the archives in apt
[13:17] <zequence> Why it does so, I don't know, but I'm sure there is a good reason for it
[13:17] <zequence> Usually that only happens with non-free stuff
[13:17] <zequence> But, I would be surprised if that was the case here
[13:24] <sakrecoer> oh... well, pressed "ok" but the upgrade will not start due to that factor
[13:24] <sakrecoer> need to change settings to do it...
[13:25] <sakrecoer> haha! this is weird. runing apt-get update again removed it from the list :D
[14:11] <sakrecoer> i've been told this 7Gk times now, but yeah... which package are the workflow icons located in again? :p
[14:16] <krytarik> sakrecoer: -menu as well.
[14:17] <sakrecoer> thanks krytarik !
[14:18] <krytarik> Sure.
[14:20] <sakrecoer> i'm using them to update the color chart on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialXenial
[14:28] <OvenWerk1> krytarik: Thank you for cleaning that up. It looks right to me.
[14:29] <krytarik> \o/
[15:20] <sakrecoer> i think i wont do much more to it from here: me happy. but i'll push the blend file in the mockup folder of the branch. http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio_3color_zequence_revisitedby_sakrecoer.png
[15:22] <sakrecoer> now the tile, it is fighting me: wants to look like luis vuitton :p
[16:43] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Oh crap, I really like that!  And awesome name, too. :P
[17:32] <zequence> sakrecoer: Just to be clear, the only color that is absolutely determined is the blue
[17:33] <zequence> Think we only have decided so far that video is purple (but not which purple exactly) and graphics orange
[17:36] <zequence> sakrecoer: Nice job on the wallpaper. I like it.
[17:37] <zequence> Very hi tech.
[17:37] <zequence> but with the warmth
[17:39] <zequence> sakrecoer: could you make one without the CoF as well?
[17:43] <zequence> sakrecoer: Making the CoF blue created a whole new situation though, in my view. And, also gives more artistic freedom.
[17:44] <zequence> I would try making it more ghostly. Less defined.
[17:50] <zequence> sakrecoer: Also, I would like to see it without the folding.
[17:51] <zequence> The most minimal would be just the color changes, no folding, no CoF. That might look nice
[18:26] <sakrecoer> zequence: i'll try that!
[18:27] <sakrecoer> zequence: i used these values in the wallpaper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialXenial
[18:27] <sakrecoer> also krytarik: \o/
[18:27] <sakrecoer> zequence: took the colors from the workflow icons
[18:28] <sakrecoer> i think they are great. however, the hue is written on a wiki, not in stone. So if you find some better ones, please go ahead.
[18:37] <sakrecoer> zequence: i'll try make the cof as a smoke ring :p
[18:37] <sakrecoer> smoke emitting a bit of light...
[18:37] <sakrecoer> i just really want to get this tile right first..
[19:08] <sakrecoer> oh well, http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio_3color_zequence_revisitedby_sakrecoer-moghost_flat_whitecof.png
[19:09] <sakrecoer> zequence: like the filename says: more ghost, white cof and flat :)
[19:12] <zequence> sakrecoer: That was pretty awesome
[19:12] <sakrecoer> flat, the colorfades create a rather hypnotic artefact. i could make a 16-bit png tho... but the file would be considerably heavier
[19:13] <sakrecoer> \o/
[19:13] <zequence> This latest version to me is a clear candidate for default wallpaper
[19:14] <sakrecoer> (#^.^#)
[19:15] <zequence> I should let madeinkobaia know about this one. At the very least we should add it to the collection
[19:15] <sakrecoer> weee!!! \o/ i'll spend some more time fighting with my tile tho, i think it is worth it for dualscreen scenarios as OvenWerk1 mentioned.
[19:15] <zequence> alright