[08:04] <deanman> Hi, i would like to make a minor customization on the gui for a demo presentaiton. In detail, i would like to make a small border on the top frame. Any tips ?
[09:23] <urulama_> hi, deanman 
[09:24] <urulama> deanman: we don't really encourage to change the UI, as it's been thoroughly user tested and design carefully considered to be as it is
[09:24] <urulama> deanman: may i ask what that border would gain you?
[09:26] <deanman> it's some plain "beautifying" for demo purposes only
[09:27] <urulama> deanman: and you need the gui to run in a real model? or just build it and run it in sanbox mode, no real models involved?
[09:27] <urulama> asking as that has implications that you'll also have to build the gui and put it in a charm and deploy it 
[09:32] <deanman> urulama, initially we simply modified a bit the css on a deployed gui charm, then we started considering whether we can tweak it even more and clone the code
[09:34] <deanman> It was a bit difficult to dig into this framework you are using, so that's why thought asking here, maybe some hints since we simply want a simple dib with a background color on top menu bar.
[09:36] <deanman> div*
[09:39] <urulama> antdillon: ^ can you give a quick pointer to deanman here, please
[09:39] <urulama> deanman: changing deployed gui will be easy, otherwise you'll have to go through whole packaging and charming process
[09:40] <urulama> deanman: as it's open source you can clone it and create your own charm, of course
[09:41] <deanman> urulama, Thanks for the chat, well from first look it seems that the HTML is built somehow dynamically and we cannot change it once deploy, we can only customize the CSS.
[09:41] <deanman> deployed*
[09:42] <antdillon> deanman, would you be able to add a top border to the html element via the inspector and show that in the presentation?
[09:44] <deanman> antdillon, well i could but some would be checking the provided link offline so it wouldn't be the same exprience, but anyway, css customization it's fine for now. 
[09:44] <deanman> urulama, Do you plan to update juju-gui for 2.0 ? Or any plans on changing the framework ?
[09:45] <urulama> deanman: you mean juju 2.0?
[09:45] <deanman> urulama, yeah!
[09:45] <urulama> deanman: it's already supported, you can use beta3 or less with it
[09:45] <urulama> deanman: framework? we use react, it's something we like :)
[09:46] <antdillon> deanman, if you have access to the deployed HTML you could add a css file to the header as a means to inject css remotely
[09:46] <deanman> I meant the YUI library
[09:47] <urulama> deanman: oh, yes :) that is in plan
[09:49] <deanman> Any clues to which framework are you thiking to switch to ?
[09:52] <urulama> no final decision yet
[10:29] <kjackal> Hey everyone, what is the process for removing a charm from the store? eg https://jujucharms.com/apache-zookeeper/trusty/0 that is not deployable anymore
[10:43] <kjackal> That is revision 0 is not working. https://jujucharms.com/apache-zookeeper/trusty/1 is fine
[16:09] <urulama> kjackal: we don't remove revisions that are broken, but we do have a better publishing process in place, which will be announce soon
[16:09] <urulama> kjackal: i mean, if it's revision 0 and you already have revision 1, we don't remove revision 0 ATM
[16:11] <kjackal> thank you urulama, I assume there is on our roadmap to have a process to remove them at some point, right? Becuse the broken revision is the first hit in a google search
[16:12] <urulama> kjackal: yes, it is
[16:45]  * hatch waves to rick_h_
[16:45] <rick_h_> :)