[05:42] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:15] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Good Morning friends
[09:34] <telegram1> <Clifford>: hi Rick
[09:34] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Hi there
[09:34] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: How you doing ?
[09:35] <telegram1> <Clifford>: lot better this morning
[09:36] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Was I speaking with you about Kolab a while back ?
[09:36] <telegram1> <Clifford>: probably
[09:36] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah cool
[09:36] <telegram1> <Clifford>: Im a fan of Kolab!
[09:36] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I understood you were going to try to have a chat with them about a demo system, and perhaps getting someone to come on the Podcast
[09:41] <telegram1> <Clifford>: I chatted to one of the devs
[09:41] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Any interest ?
[09:41] <telegram1> <Clifford>: but he said it would be better to email them contact@kolabsys.com
[09:42] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: OK Cool, will you drop them a line, see if you can get a contact going ?
[09:42] <telegram1> <Clifford>: also, I had to go early last night and missed the convo about a business edition
[09:42] <telegram1> <Clifford>: I think thats a good idea
[09:42] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: The BE is some crazy idea I had all by myself, that was the first time I aired it last night 😃
[09:42] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: he he
[09:42] <telegram1> <Clifford>: I can, but my kubuntu email address doesnt seem to work
[09:43] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Do you know why ?
[09:43] <telegram1> <Clifford>: no idea
[09:44] <telegram1> <Clifford>: not hugely important for me
[09:44] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Hmmm.. I had a similar issue
[09:44] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I asked Harald Sitter, and bless him he fixed it for me
[09:44] <telegram1> <Clifford>: I wwas trying to get it to be the default one on my LP account but I dont recieved the add email nofications
[09:46] <telegram1> <Clifford>: my internet is very rollcoasterary today
[09:48] <telegram1> <Clifford>: thats one of the pros with Telegram, seems to handle intermittent connections while IRC just dies!
[09:49] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah This Telegram integration is just AWESOME !
[09:49] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Totally transofrmed the level of interation that I can have with the community
[09:50] <mamarley> One of the disadvantages is that it makes reading conversations in IRC somewhat annoying since all the messages come from the same bot. :/
[09:50] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I wonder if that could be fixed ?
[09:50] <mamarley> Sick_Rimmit: Also, you should get Quassel or a bouncer or something.  That allows the same feature on IRC.
[09:51] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah yes, but I am often on my phone, tablet etc..
[09:54] <mamarley> Sick_Rimmit: Quassel has Quasseldroid, a client for Android devices.
[09:54] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah yeah, but I use an #ubuntuphone
[09:55] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: and soon an #ubuntutbalet
[09:55] <mamarley> The tablet might be able to run the desktop version of Quassel, but the phone severely limits your choices.
[09:56] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah then that could work
[09:56] <mamarley> Quassel also has a web interface (quassel-webserver), but I am not sure how well it works on small screens.
[09:56] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Can Konversation be plummed into the same sort of thing ?
[09:56] <mamarley> I don't know much about the Ubuntu Tablet, so I don't know for sure.
[09:56] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Me neither they haven't shipped them yet lol
[09:57] <mamarley> Sick_Rimmit: Nope, only Quassel-compatible clients can connect to a Quasselcore.  Bouncers can accept connections from any IRC client, but they have other disadvantages like not being able to view  all your backlog from all your devices and having the client's message timestamp be wrong because all the messages get dumped to the client when it connects.
[09:57] <telegram1> <Clifford>: *chokes, coughs, hisses* at car insurance 'facts"
[09:58] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Hmmm.. but we stopped shipping Quassel and switched to Konversation
[09:58] <telegram1> <Clifford>: a retired female is a better driver?  I had a granny drive right out in front of my yesterday!
[09:58] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: rofl
[09:59] <mamarley> Sick_Rimmit: Quassel isn't shipped by default anymore, but you can still install it from the repos.
[09:59] <mamarley> I even have a PPA (ppa:mamarley/quassel) that always has the latest version.
[09:59] <telegram1> <Clifford>: mamarley arent you the dev for quassel?
[10:00] <mamarley> Clifford: I contribute some, but Sput is the main developer.
[10:00] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I really like Quassel, because I can plug it into Jovie and it speaks to me
[10:00] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: That is a cool feature
[10:01] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Did we move from Quassel because it wasn't ported to kf5 ?
[10:01] <mamarley> Sick_Rimmit: Not sure why, but Quassel definitely is ported to KF5.
[10:02] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I think I will ask that question on devel-list
[10:02] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: For years it was Quassel, and our users are familier with that
[10:03] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I think there could be a strong case to return to it
[10:03] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: we should at least ask
[10:06] <telegram1> <Clifford>: well well, skoda is the second safety driver car, which Audi is the worst!
[10:14] <telegram1> <Clifford>: Rick did you upload Muon to your PPA?
[10:50] <sitter> wgrant: do you have any insight in how archive.ubuntu.com works?
[10:51] <sitter> I am seeing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/Release listing main/binary-amd64/Packages but http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages is actually 404
[10:56] <wgrant> sitter: I maintain the code that generates it, so yes :) That's an idiosyncracy in the apt repository format -- the Release file must include the uncompressed hashes, even if the uncompressed files don't exist.
[10:56] <wgrant> https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat#MD5Sum.2C_SHA1.2C_SHA256, "Server requirements"
[10:56] <wgrant> I'm not sure how tools are meant to know not to download the uncompressed ones; possibly they just deal with 404s, or don't even look.
[10:56] <sitter> ah
[10:57] <sitter> wgrant: in that case I think the Release file is more often than not out of sync with the actual Packages files
[10:57] <wgrant> sitter: That's not the case.
[10:57] <wgrant> The Packages files don't exist.
[10:58] <sitter> 10:47:36 W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[10:58] <sitter> wgrant: the compressed ones I mean
[10:58] <wgrant> Only Packages.*
[10:58] <sitter> we see these sort fo sum mismatches a lot in CI use cases
[10:58] <wgrant> "More often than not" is unlikely.
[10:58] <wgrant> There is a race condition of perhaps a second per hour.
[10:59] <wgrant> apt's disk format is inherently racy, but a rework in xenial will soon fix that.
[10:59]  * wgrant finds.
[10:59] <sitter> wgrant: more than 30 seconds actaully
[10:59] <mamarley> I have been getting a lot of those hash sum mismatches too.
[10:59] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/972077 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1430011
[10:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 972077 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt repository disk format has race conditions" [Medium,Fix released]
[10:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1430011 in Launchpad itself "support apt by-hash mirrors" [High,In progress]
[10:59] <wgrant> I need to know timestamps.
[10:59] <sitter> wgrant: time on the left in UTC http://build.neon.kde.org/job/wily_unstable_frameworks_kidletime_src/9/console
[11:01] <wgrant> In what fraction of builds do you see it?
[11:01] <sitter> wgrant: what do you mean?
[11:05] <wgrant> sitter: How often does the problem occur?
[11:05] <wgrant> And have you only been seeing it for, say, the last 18 hours?
[11:08] <sitter> wgrant: I notice it probably every other day for at least the last month but I haven't seen a discernible pattern so far
[11:08] <sitter> not particulary within the last 18 hours, then again we only had a hand full of builds
[11:09] <sitter> wgrant: I can keep an eye on it and see if I notice anything more, I expect this isn't much to go on right now :)
[11:10] <wgrant> sitter: One of the archive.ubuntu.com round-robin hosts is several hours behind, and I'm chasing that.
[11:10] <wgrant> But in general the race can't be completely fixed pre-xenial; apt's repository format is fundamentally flawed.
[11:12] <sitter> *nod*
[11:13] <sitter> wgrant: so, with xenial and bug 1430011 solved we can simply switch to acquire-by-hash I suppose?
[11:13] <ubottu> bug 1430011 in Launchpad itself "support apt by-hash mirrors" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430011
[11:13] <wgrant> sitter: Right, LP will soon emit by-hash directories for the primary archive and PPAs.
[11:13] <sitter> cool thanks :)
[11:14] <sitter> sgclark: ^ something worth noting for build.kde, I know Ben and I discussed hash mismatches a number of times as well
[11:15] <wgrant> xenial's apt should default to that once we set the flag in Release.
[11:16] <sitter> even better
[12:07] <mike7b4> Hi is it okey ask question related to beta 2 16.04 in this channel?
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[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:47] <kfunk> mike7b4: shoot
[13:04] <mike7b4> I have problem with bluetooth headset since upgrade but not sure where it goes wrong. Problem is it does connect headset but it does not send sound to headset. KDE audio setup lists only one "Default" audio playback device. 
[13:07] <mike7b4> In the hardware setup page my headset is shown but if I click test left/right there is no sound.
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[15:26] <clivejo> http://www.alexl.netsons.org/blogposts/plasma-5-7-will-let-you-login-through-online-account/
[15:33] <acheron88> clivejo: lol
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[16:36] <mamarley> April fools!
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[21:27] <valorie> clivejo: you can't have your kubuntu email be your default on LP, it will just loop
[21:28] <valorie> also: konversation can connect to a bouncer, that is what I do -- and a bouncer (bnc/znc) is basically what quasselcore IS
[21:34] <valorie> and that's how I see all the backlog
[21:34] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Here and watching 😃
[21:34] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Hi Valorie
[21:34] <valorie> however I have to say I love telegram <> irc integration anyway, because it extends our reach
[21:34] <valorie> o/
[21:35] <valorie> happy April fools day
[21:35] <valorie> :-)
[22:05] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Thank you
[22:05] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Been on Skype with my friend
[22:07] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Re Konversation, then cool sounds like good reason for the change, and good reason to stick with it
[22:08] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I just use ZNC so it does not matter what client I use
[22:08] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: So how does that work when you move from device to device
[22:09] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I just log into the znc server with the client
[22:09] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: SO who hosted the znc server ?
[22:10] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: linode
[22:10] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I set it up on Ubuntu Server 14.04.4
[22:10] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: As in linode little box server / pc in your house
[22:10] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: no off site
[22:10] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah ha OK
[22:11] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I just pay for it
[22:11] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: anyone is free to use it once I found out how to do that lol
[22:11] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah ha, and what about mobile on ubuntuphone
[22:11] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: does that work too ?
[22:12] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: not sure about a IRC client that works 
[22:12] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I don't know of any IRC client tbh
[22:12] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: No I think they're mostly not so good
[22:12] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: the notification system in Ubuntu Phone does not allow background apps 
[22:13] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: unless someone made one and your use a tool to allow the app to run in the background
[22:13] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Yes, I am beginning to suspect that the jailing between application on Ubuntuphone is actually crippling the user experience
[22:13] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I've always known
[22:14] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: one of the reasons I could never use it full time
[22:14] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: but it's outside my realm of knowledge, but the way my apps behave suggests this is a problem
[22:14] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: there is a app called tweekgeek or something
[22:14] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: that allows apps
[22:14] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: it does a lot of things
[22:15] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: OpenStore is the gateway to everything good on the devices
[22:15] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: but the filesystem must be read and write
[22:15] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: which could be a problem with OTA
[22:15] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: Updates
[22:16] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: So you ready for Podcast next week
[22:16] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: ?
[22:16] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I never am
[22:16] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Show notes are building already
[22:16] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: There is lots to chat about
[22:16] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I wrote a few things
[22:16] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: are we using BBB?
[22:17] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: and we get to try doing it from
[22:17] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Yes
[22:17] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: sweet
[22:17] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: That was the plan
[22:17] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: the only problem with that callin number is long distance fees
[22:17] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: but it is still awesome
[22:17] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: unless it is over VOIP
[22:18] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I figure we need to work out how to stream to Kubuntu podcast channel on YouTube
[22:18] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I can talk about my release party
[22:18] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Oo Oo
[22:18] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Idea
[22:18] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: How about we setup BBB at your release party
[22:18] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: mm
[22:18] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: and we, and the rest of the world can come join you
[22:18] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: this is going to a BBQ style
[22:18] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: me too
[22:18] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: it's this sunday
[22:19] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: so outside
[22:19] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Ah ha
[22:19] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: another time then
[22:19] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I could use my phone for a hotspot of hour maybe
[22:19] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: it is a good idea though
[22:19] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: It is possible to blen physical and virtual
[22:19] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: I think UOS should use BBB
[22:19] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: I did it with Riddell and the Linux User Group
[22:20] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: We just projected Riddell on to a big wall
[22:20] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: ran in some speakers, and a web cam
[22:20] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: It was cool
[22:20] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: You could like look at the wall and talk, and riddell could talk back
[22:20] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Exeter to Spain...
[22:20] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: simples
[22:21] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: sounds nice
[22:21] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: got time for a quick video call @Sick_Rimmit 
[22:21] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Keep it in mind for future events, be so cool to jump into a US party from here in the UK
[22:21] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Sure, you wanns use BBB
[22:21] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: sure
[22:21] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: OK see you in Room1
[22:22] <telegram1> <athoneycutt>: pw?
[22:22] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: welcome
[22:27] <valorie> there is a KDE bnc instance; just file a ticket with the KDE sysadmins for an account
[22:27] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: Come join us in BBB
[22:27] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: we in Room1
[22:27] <telegram1> <Sick_Rimmit>: http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/
[22:27] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/BNC
[22:27] <valorie> sorry, about to head outside
[22:28] <valorie> beautiful sunny day here, I can't waste it staring at a screen!
[22:29] <valorie> not that talking to you guys is a waste, sun calls me