[01:27] <ronnoc> So I'm confused...how can one install and test Beta 2, if the installer goes away before the install is complete? Is there a CLI-only way? I tried to install it on Beta 1 but I couldn't find a way to get it to install.
[01:28] <ronnoc> Speaking of bug 1561051
[02:46] <p0sitr0n> hey i was lookign at kubuntu.  what (as a brief overview) would be the pros and cons of using kbuntu vs debian+kde ?
[02:46] <p0sitr0n> kubuntu i mean
[02:56] <DarinMiller> p0sitr0n I have never used Debian + KDE so I cannot say.  I really like Debian distibutions as the packagers go to a lot trouble to ensure solid packages.
[03:00] <DarinMiller> p0sitr0n I have tried Fedora, OpenSusa and ARCH. But I still like Kubuntu the best.
[03:02] <p0sitr0n> yah  i use debian a lot for servers
[03:03] <p0sitr0n> just never used linux as a desktop OS before
[03:03] <p0sitr0n> so thought i'd ask around a bit
[03:03] <p0sitr0n> ill probably just try it out deb+kde
[03:03] <p0sitr0n> and kubuntu
[03:04] <p0sitr0n> i looked at ubuntu awhile back ... not an option with that desktop they use
[03:04] <p0sitr0n> wasnt a fan of ubuntus phone OS either !
[03:05] <DarinMiller> These days almost all the major distro's have solid packages.  Back when the *ubuntu series was released, they ubuntu forums were (and still are) a great place for help-especially for newbs.
[03:06] <p0sitr0n> yah its not gonna be a problem .. they are all easy enough to deal with
[03:06] <p0sitr0n> was lookign for some opinions out of the box
[03:06] <p0sitr0n> my motivation to look at this again is due to me sitting here for a windows box to do its updates !
[03:07] <p0sitr0n> agony
[03:10] <DarinMiller> But now that so many drivers are in the kernel and many of the hw vendors including the drivers in the kernel, install and maint. is similar across the board.
[03:10] <DarinMiller> LOL
[03:11] <DarinMiller> I only have to us windows for a few minutes to be reminded why I like the open source options.
[03:18] <p0sitr0n> yeah
[03:18] <p0sitr0n> well i primarily use OSX
[03:18] <p0sitr0n> for desktop
[03:19] <p0sitr0n> i just happened to have found this computer and just installing Win on it because i might sell it
[03:19] <p0sitr0n> but then again could be handy for something else
[05:42] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:55] <jubo2> AAAAAAAAGHH!
[09:55] <jubo2> What is the dpkg name of the KDE screen grapture program package?
[09:56] <jubo2> "Save and exit" said one of the buttons with the preinstalled one, whatevs it's name. And then it doesn't ask for file name bye-bye user
 spectacle is the replacement for ksnapshot
[09:57] <jubo2> I could boot in Kubuntu15.10 and see what the screen capture program is called
[09:57] <jubo2> telegram1: yeah that's the one
[09:58] <jubo2> but it didn't bother to tell it is storing the little-endian-dated-files
[09:58] <jubo2> "Save and exit?" Why'd I want the program to exit?
[09:59] <jubo2> So I need to start it up the next time I need it
[10:01] <jubo2> No asking "Ma dame, messieur vous voulez donne un nom pour le fichier?"
[10:03] <jubo2> I want mah KSnapShot back
[10:04] <jubo2> "Save and exit?" "Yeah.. why not." ... "Hold on, you didn't give me a filename dialogue."
[10:05] <jubo2> I want KSnapshot behaviour back
[10:05] <jubo2> #1 incl. "Save and don't exit"-button
[10:10] <jubo2> "Save as"-button back and we can negotiate
[10:39] <meena> can someone help me trace this down? i got lost after git clone plasma-framework… okay! this basically means we're ready to migrate brainsware.org soon! <3
[10:39] <meena> https://github.com/bryanl/webbrowser/issues/2
[10:45]  * meena clones kio
[11:05] <yossarianuk> hi - im tryning to import a root cert on kubuntu 15.10 - I click on the cert and the cert manager opens up but the 'import' window is greyed out ...
[11:05] <meena> found: https://github.com/bryanl/webbrowser/issues/2#issuecomment-204349786
[11:05] <yossarianuk> how can I import it?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <Smurphy> Morning.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[13:32] <shane_> having trouble with multiple monitors and google isn't turning up any decent results - mostly kde4. Any ideas on how to get multiple monitors to work well? As in, connect an external monitor, then appropriate settings apply; disconnect monitor, appropriate settings take effect
[13:32] <shane_> this is for plasma 5
[13:33] <shane_> sorry, new to kubuntu
[13:33] <hateball> shane_: what GPU are you using?
[13:33] <hateball> and what drivers
[13:35] <shane_> intel skylake Integrated Graphics
[13:36] <shane_> intel hd 520
[13:37] <hateball> hmmm, that should "just work"
[13:38] <shane_> i would think so too.  However, I can't go from non-external monitor, to plugging in a monitor and anything happening. Reboot is required
[13:38] <hateball> When you connect a new monitor and set it up, the settings are saved in kscreenrc in your home folder. So if you unplug, use something else, then plug it back it should remember the settings
[13:38] <hateball> shane_: Oh well you need to activate the second monitor, you should have a plasmoid in the tray
[13:39] <shane_> display and monitor settings show the external monitor, but it's faded and then I can try and click the Enable button and apply, but it simply reverts
[13:39] <hateball> hmmm
[13:39] <hateball> lemme boot a plasma 5 machine and see
[13:39] <shane_> so, reboot and it works, but I still have to go into manage and ocnfigure monitor settings....
[13:40] <shane_> I don't have a plasmoid with monitor options
[13:41] <shane_> I'm probably doing something wrong
[13:44] <hateball> shane_: hmmm, well I booted this 16.04. connected an external monitor. opened kscreen (monitor settings) and then set laptop as primary, enabled external and pressed apply
[13:45] <shane_> and that worked without issue?
[13:46] <hateball> yep
[13:46] <shane_> I'd love to dig into this and see what's going wrong with mine...how can I locate/capture debug information for kscreen?
[13:46] <hateball> and then you can adjust the alignment in that little dialog box, put the external monitor on left/right etc
[13:47] <lordievader> shane_: What is the output of 'xrandr'?
[13:47] <shane_> a lot
[13:47] <shane_> you want me to paste that here?
[13:47] <lordievader> !paste | shane_
[13:48] <hateball> shane_: if you run "/usr/bin/kcmshell5 kcm_kscreen" from a terminal it'll spit out what it does when you try changing stuff
[13:48] <hateball> then you can paste that
[13:48] <shane_> https://paste.kde.org/ppsx2ekbk
[13:48] <shane_> that's a slick online app
[13:50] <lordievader> shane_: The way I read the xrandr output both displays are active at a 1080p resolution?
[13:50] <shane_> yes
[13:50] <shane_> that's after I did the reboot and apply
[13:51] <shane_> however, if I go from just laptop to adding external display, it doesn't work
[13:52] <shane_> The system will also freeze if I go from sleep, add display, wake.  about 2 seconds after wake, complete freeze up
[13:52] <shane_> that's the  biggest bug I'd like to hunt down
[13:52] <hateball> at least that has a simple workaround :p
[13:52] <shane_> this is a new laptop, so I dont' expect everything to be perfect yet. thinkpad t460s
[13:52] <lordievader> shane_: What version of Plasma are you running?
[13:53] <hateball> shane_: you could try live-booting a 16.04, see if things are improved there... since it will be out soon
[13:53] <shane_> running 16.04 no other kde distros work on this laptop except kubuntu
[13:55] <hateball> so... you're not on 15.10 ?
[13:55] <lordievader> Hmm, here kscreen sometimes need a nudge in doing something by issueing xrandr.
[14:09] <shane_> right - not on 15.10
[15:38] <somekool> hey
[15:39] <somekool> anyone found a good kf5 based web browser that supports either firefox or chrome extensions ?
[17:29] <Hekp> what's the difference between plasma 5 and 4 ?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> !plasma 5
[17:31] <BluesKaj> !info plasma 5
[17:32] <BluesKaj> !plasma dektop
[17:32] <BluesKaj> !plasma desktop
[17:32] <BluesKaj> !plasma-desktop
[17:33] <BluesKaj> ok the info bot is asleep at the wheel again
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Hekp, the differences are too great and too numerous to describe here..google is your friend
[17:43] <Jolu> hi?
[17:43] <Jolu> someone can help me?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> Jolu, ask your quesion and we'll try to help
[17:45]  * BluesKaj just shakes his head
[17:48] <Bob2016> hey.  i'm trying to use kubuntu 5.4.  When I login, plasmashell and krunner don't start automatically, but they run fine if i start them manually.  Except, krunner doesn't seem to know about any installed applications.  Can someone suggest what I need to reinstall/rebuild/etc.?
[17:49] <TemporalBeing1> Any one here know how to send CTRL+ALT+DEL over KDRC to a Windows client?
[17:49] <TemporalBeing1> 15.10 Kubuntu with all updates
[17:50] <TemporalBeing1> (b/c unfortunately WinServer2012 requires CTRL+ALT+DEL for some functions...)
[18:07] <braderhart> Hello all. I was hoping to get some help regarding dual monitors in KDE. xrandr shows HDMI1 as disconnected when it's not. Worked fine in Unity, but I did recently upgrade to 16.04 Beta 2
[18:40] <shane_> braderhart - I'm having issues as well. what have you tried?
[18:41] <braderhart> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30677684/ubuntu-xrandr-shows-hdmi-output-as-disconnected-when-it-is-connected
[18:41] <braderhart> That activates it
[18:42] <shane_> if you have external connected and restart, does it detect it?
[18:43] <shane_> i'm having a similar issue after a reboot
[18:49] <braderhart> Same here
[18:50] <shane_> I've had it work a few times, but I'm not certain what the combination is. I move from standalone laptop to dual monitors at least once daily
[20:46] <Bob2016> hi.  i reinstalled 5.4.  plasmashell & krunner don't start automatically, but run fine if i start them manually.  but also, the application list in the apps menu is gone.  what should i do?
[20:59] <braderhart> shane_: Sorry about earlier. I'm going to try 16.04 vanilla this time and see if monitors work so that I can rule that out
[21:24] <catbadger> hey doods!
[22:02] <braderhart> confirmed my monitor issue is with 16.04 and not kde
[23:19] <linux> des francais???
[23:22] <linux> stp???
[23:23] <p0sitr0n> oui
[23:23] <linux> quelques server stp
[23:24] <p0sitr0n> si senor
[23:43] <Zren> Is there a way to open a .zip as if it were a .cbr in okular/calibre?
[23:44] <Zren> I could modify the desktop to copy the zip to /tmp/ with the new extension, but that sounds terrible.
[23:48] <p0sitr0n> surely the cheezy application doing the extraction will accept the filename regardless of extension
[23:48] <p0sitr0n> shirley !