[03:32] <magespawn> good morning
[03:58] <magespawn> later
[05:14] <Kilos> morning all
[05:19] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[05:50] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[05:54] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[05:54] <Kilos> and Cryterion 
[05:54] <Cryterion> Mornings
[05:55] <Kilos> haha star wars in text mode
[06:06] <chesedo> hello Kilos thatgraemeguy Cryterion and others
[06:06] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[06:21] <anton_may> wazzup
[06:21] <Kilos> hi anton_may 
[06:22] <chesedo> hi anton_may... matters most currently :P
[06:23] <anton_may> matters most currently? It's FRIDAY!!!!!! \0/
[06:27] <chesedo> lol, Kilos will inform you - he has the link
[06:28] <Kilos> mattermost chesedo ?
[06:29] <chesedo> yeah Kilos
[06:29] <Kilos> https://mattermost.popey.com/signup_user_complete/?id=1qpn9houn7r4mc5xc6ho9wt7se
[06:30] <chesedo> new chat that we are testing out
[06:31] <anton_may> Kewl, ja saw you were discussing it yesterday
[06:31] <Kilos> i saw inna mail the kde guys have telegram linked to irc
[06:33] <anton_may> We have ditched sms notifications totally from Nagios and it's running completely over Telegram
[06:34] <Kilos> who is we?
[06:35] <anton_may> work
[06:35] <anton_may> office
[06:35] <anton_may> the okes who give me a pay cheque :P
[06:35] <Kilos> im waiting anxiously for an sms notification from the clearance peeps
[06:36] <anton_may> fnb?
[06:36] <Kilos> no the cops
[06:36] <anton_may> Oh, ok
[06:36] <Kilos> ill cry they change over and dont sms me first
[06:38] <anton_may> lol
[06:38] <Kilos> hehe
 matters most currently? It's FRIDAY!!!!!! \0/, it's still a work day, could be fishing right now :(
[06:47] <anton_may> almost beer o'clock
[07:25] <Cryterion> I wish
[07:25] <Kilos> so early
[07:25] <Kilos> you gonna end up with a pot belly
[07:25] <Kilos> bear paunch
[07:25] <Kilos> beer
[07:36] <inetpro> good mornings
 We have ditched sms notifications totally from Nagios and it's running completely over Telegram
[07:42] <superfly> NICE
[07:42] <superfly> anton_may: how are you achieving that?
[07:42] <superfly> through a bot?
[07:42]  * inetpro likes that idea as well
[07:52] <Cryterion> anyone know of any refrigeration wholesalers around besides Carrier and Kovco?
[07:54] <anton_may> superfly: took our weekend phone sim, registered with TG. Installed telegram on our nagios server and then added it to the cmd.cfg
[07:54] <anton_may> telegram has a very good cli interface
[07:55] <superfly> Ah, OK. We've written a bot. There's a very nice Python library for Telegram.
[07:57] <anton_may> yea there are plenty ways to install it. Saves us now a crap load on sms
[07:57] <anton_may> fees
[07:59] <anton_may> # 'notifi-by-tg-host' command defination
[07:59] <anton_may> define command{
[07:59] <anton_may>         command_name    notify-by-tg-host
[07:59] <anton_may>         command_line    $USER1$/tg/scripts/./telegram.sh msg $_CONTACTTG$ "Notification Type: $NOTIFICATIONTYPE$    Host: $HOSTADDRESS$   Info: $HOSTOUTPUT$    Date/Time: $LONGDATETIME$"
[07:59] <anton_may> }
[07:59] <anton_may> # 'notifi-by-tg-service' command definition
[07:59] <anton_may> define command{
[07:59] <anton_may>         command_name    notify-by-tg-service
[07:59] <anton_may>         command_line    $USER1$/tg/scripts/./telegram.sh msg $_CONTACTTG$ "Notification Type: $NOTIFICATIONTYPE$    Service: $SERVICEDESC$    Host: $HOSTADDRESS$    State: $SERVICESTATE$    Date/Time: $LONGDATETIME$    Additional Info: $SERVICEOUTPUT$"
[08:00] <anton_may> }
[08:31] <inetpro> oh and Happy Mailman Day as well!
[08:32] <chesedo> again...
[08:32] <chesedo> or just your april fools joke?
[08:32] <anton_may> So whose knickers are they getting into?
[09:08] <inetpro> chesedo: every 1st day of the month is Happy Mailman Day
[09:10] <inetpro> chesedo: http://bill-owens.blogspot.co.za/2012/02/only-you-can-prevent-monthly-mailman.html
[09:53] <anton_may> anybody with neotel dc in midrand?
[10:37] <Kilos> Cryterion you still here
[10:37] <Cryterion> Hi
[10:38] <Cryterion> wish I was home, but have to work :(
[10:38] <Kilos> try dishes or cups with some balsamic vinegar and apple cider vinegar and water
[10:38] <Kilos> like half full
[10:38] <Cryterion> I've heard about it, cleans them
[10:38] <Kilos> then add 2 or three drops sunlight dishwashing liquid and stir
[10:39] <Kilos> then leave all over where miggies pester you
[10:39] <Cryterion> hmmm
[10:39] <Kilos> the sour attracts them and they come to drink
[10:40] <Kilos> with no soap added the walk on the moisture and drink then fly away
[10:40] <Cryterion> ah, but normally vinegar chases, I know it keeps the flies out the biltong drier
[10:40] <Kilos> with soap they sink and drown
[10:40] <Kilos> not normal vinegar
[10:40] <Cryterion> hmm, will give it a go
[10:40] <Cryterion> has to be balsamic?
[10:41] <Kilos> im using balsamic and water and soap
[10:41] <Kilos> catches many
[10:41] <Cryterion> ok kwl
[10:41] <Cryterion> thanks
[10:41] <Kilos> havent got apple cider vinegar
[10:42] <Kilos> if you get get the one thats yellow in colour
[10:42] <Cryterion> that's apple cider
[10:42] <Kilos> they say with mother in over seas i dunno here
[10:42] <Cryterion> balsamic is dark
[10:42] <Kilos> yes apple cider
[10:42] <Kilos> Maaz google apple cider vinegar with mother
[10:42] <Maaz> Kilos: "6 Proven Benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar (No. 3 is Best)" https://authoritynutrition.com/6-proven-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar/ :: "12 health benefits of apple cider vinegar | MNN - Mother Nature ..." http://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/stories/12-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar :: "Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar Book, Bragg Live Foods,
[10:42] <Maaz> Bragg Apple ..." http://bragg.com/books/acv_excerpt.html :: "Dynamic Health Organic Appl…
[10:45] <anton_may> me think Kilos should change professions to as a medicine man
[10:46] <Cryterion> lol
[10:46] <Kilos> haha
[10:47] <Kilos> them things bite me so i try anything to get rid of them
[10:47] <Kilos> they love going in eyebrows then walking down to eyes to drink
[10:48] <Kilos> ive almost slapped myself blind already
[11:53] <magespawn> good day
[11:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[11:55] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[12:30] <Kilos> someone asked about neology
[12:30] <Kilos> im using it on desktop 
[12:30] <Kilos> the repo that is
[13:03] <Kilos> hmm... are we quiet here today or what
[13:31] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[13:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:31] <Kilos> Maaz hurry
[13:31] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[13:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:35] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[13:35] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:53] <magespawn> home time, chat later
[13:53] <magespawn> bye
[15:31] <Kilos> oooo yay
[15:31] <Kilos> touched some thing and backlighting wen dark
[15:32] <Kilos> battled to see but could follow the cli way to set brightness from http://askubuntu.com/questions/57236/unable-to-change-brightness-in-a-lenovo-laptop
[15:32] <Kilos> worked like a charm
[15:33] <Kilos> i forgot where to set it in settings
[15:50] <Kilos> Maaz tell cryterion http://src.easyhealthoptions.com/ego/dab21579-718e-4dd1-a318-d895284bd3f2/401863400/310694
[15:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell Cryterion on freenode
[15:50] <Kilos> Maaz tell mazal http://src.easyhealthoptions.com/ego/dab21579-718e-4dd1-a318-d895284bd3f2/401863400/310694
[15:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[15:51] <Kilos> i havent watched the video but we can discuss their findings
[15:58]  * chesedo wonders who Kilos is talking to :P
[15:58] <Kilos> lol
[15:58] <Kilos> when
[15:58] <chesedo> [17:51:17] <Kilos> i havent watched the video but we can discuss their findings
[15:59] <Kilos> oh haha some places just want to make money
[15:59] <Kilos> i dont have data to watch them so its up to each of them to decide
[16:00] <chesedo> lol oky
[16:01]  * chesedo wbb
[16:01] <Kilos> ok
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:17] <Wolfeyes> Evening everyone.
[17:19] <dlPhreak> Hi Wolfeyes 
[17:19] <Wolfeyes> how you doing dlPhreak?
[17:20] <dlPhreak> It's a friday and I'm sober... Think that's good? LOL Yourself? 
[17:29] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[17:30] <Kilos> well done dlPhreak 
[17:32] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos
[17:43] <dlPhreak> Kilos! Hi
[17:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:51] <Wolfeyes_is> hmmm ...
[17:53] <dlPhreak> Does anyone have an opionion on the Canonical Microsoft deal?
[17:54] <magespawn> good evening
[17:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:54] <Wolfeyes> hey magespawn
[17:56] <magespawn> so whats up? interesting problems, ideas or discussions? or maybe a chilled friday?
[17:57] <Wolfeyes> I need to finish my car first magespawn :-P, then I want to start with a rasberry pi.
[17:57] <magespawn> whats with the car?
[17:58] <Kilos> dlPhreak bad news on the brew i think
[17:58] <Wolfeyes> I redid the valve stem seals and it seems to be sucking air in somewhere, so I need to find the leak so it can run properly.
[17:58] <Wolfeyes> I think so too, dlPhreak
[17:59] <magespawn> Wolfeyes: did you do the seals yourself?
[17:59] <Wolfeyes> Yes.
[18:00] <magespawn> okay then, i took mine in for that
[18:00] <magespawn> can a pressure test show you where it is sucking in air?
[18:00] <Wolfeyes> Next time I will do the same, although it was a nice experience.
[18:00] <Kilos> nope
[18:00] <Wolfeyes> no
[18:01] <Wolfeyes> maybe a vacuum test on the head, but apparently the guys don't doit here
[18:01] <Kilos> sucking below the carb and between there and the lock
[18:01] <Wolfeyes> and then it would only be for valves
[18:01] <Wolfeyes> not the pipes or gaskets
[18:01] <magespawn> what car?
[18:01] <Wolfeyes> or air screw :-P
[18:02] <Wolfeyes> citi golf
[18:02] <Wolfeyes> 1.4
[18:03] <magespawn> i have found th seal between the carb and the inlet manifold is particularly easy to crack and not notice
[18:04] <Wolfeyes> It is a common problem on them
[18:06] <magespawn> not that then, i take it?
[18:06] <Wolfeyes> Nope
[18:07] <Wolfeyes> But she works a lot for me so I am trying to replace a lot of the old parts as possible
[18:07] <Wolfeyes> had her now close to a year and done close to 30 000 km on her
[18:08] <magespawn> they are good cars, mine takes a hell of a beating, bad roads etc
[18:08] <Wolfeyes> I have a small dirt road I ride on but not too bad.
[18:10] <Kilos> best car on the road
[18:10] <Kilos> vee double you and me
[18:11] <Wolfeyes> now to get back to the pi, I want to connect it to a relay or use the relay on it if it has one, to operate a siren for work hours and times, which can be programmed by the user from a pc and not a digital timer, because I am battling to find a digital timer that works in seconds.
[18:11] <Kilos> not good when van der merwes have fiddled though
[18:11] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha ha ha
[18:12] <magespawn> seconds seems a little precise Wolfeyes 
[18:12] <Wolfeyes> if the siren runs for more than 4 seconds then it burns out
[18:13] <Wolfeyes> after a while and totally annoying to hear it blast for so long
[18:13] <magespawn> ahh right i see
[18:13] <magespawn> i thought you wanted it to go at a specific time like 14:05:09
[18:13] <Wolfeyes> yes it must
[18:14] <Wolfeyes> but just run, so everyone can hear and switch off
[18:17] <superfly> so how the flip do you log in to mattermost from another machine?
[18:17] <Kilos> oh my
[18:18] <Wolfeyes> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> superfly carefully
[18:18] <Wolfeyes> If you battling superfly, then we are a little more lost than you
[18:19] <superfly> Wolfeyes: it's just unintuitive
[18:19] <superfly> but I figured it out
[18:19] <Kilos> little more?
[18:19] <Kilos> how
[18:19] <Wolfeyes> okay a lot more
[18:19] <Wolfeyes> lol
[18:20] <Wolfeyes> I am sure unintuitivity comes from experience :-P
[18:28] <superfly> inetpro: where are you?
[18:28] <inetpro> pong
[18:30] <inetpro> superfly: ?
[18:31] <superfly> inetpro: I figured that one out too
[18:31]  * superfly moves on to other things
[18:33] <inetpro> superfly: sorry for the disturbance in the force
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro fix audio alerts there man
[18:44] <kulelu88> superfly: what is libvirt? 
[18:45] <superfly> kulelu88: AFAIK it's a library for talking to virtualisation technologies like KVM And XEN
[18:45] <kulelu88> superfly: I am attempting to map my LXC container to a LAN IP using this info: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/LibVirtDefaultNetwork
[18:45] <superfly> ah!
[18:46] <kulelu88> ooh fancy, it gave me an internalized IP :D
[18:46] <kulelu88> success!
[18:46] <kulelu88> now I can browse my LAN via my phone with my stuff inside the container haha
[18:54] <Trixar_za> :'(
[18:54] <Trixar_za> Downloads are slow
[18:55] <Trixar_za> Damn rainy weather -_-
[18:58]  * magespawn goes to read about LXC
[19:04] <magespawn> inetpro when running byobu on local and a ssh remote machine then you can disable local F keys with Shift+F12 so that the key strokes go through to the remote machine, depends on the local setup of course
[19:04] <magespawn> a question i asked sometime ago, you did propose another answer
[19:07] <inetpro> magespawn: I am used to the screen commands like Ctrl+a and c and others and thus use the screen backend 
[19:07] <inetpro> in stead of tmux
[19:08] <inetpro> you can switch the backend with 'byobu-select-backend'
[19:08] <inetpro> then 'man screen' to see all the many options
[19:09] <inetpro> in other words I do not use the F keys
[19:09] <magespawn> i got that, lol
[19:10] <magespawn> each to his own, and i am still learning what suits me best, so options are good
[19:17] <Kilos> i go sleep cant upgrade opera because something else is using the installer thing and i cant find it
[19:17] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:17] <Wolfeyes> night dad
[19:19] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[19:23] <magespawn> Wolfeyes: what pi do you have?
[19:24] <inetpro> magespawn: I'm not sure whether that answered your question
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: what keys specifically are messing with your workflow? 
[19:25] <magespawn> it did, especially the first time, this was a continuation of the conversation
[19:26] <inetpro> I'm asking because not all keys are specific to screen or tmux
[19:26] <Wolfeyes> I don't have one yet, magespawn. I want to buy one and start playing. The basic one will do for now as it doesn't need to do a lot.
[19:26] <inetpro> byobu has come with more keys
[19:26] <magespawn> nothing in particular, i learnt byobu on my local machine and did not try to use it remotely from a session
[19:26] <inetpro> and...
[19:26] <inetpro> some keys have changed from version to version as well
[19:27] <magespawn> Wolfeyes: maybe the smallest one will be good for you then, i have a pi B+ and i have found it to be remarkable capable
[19:27] <magespawn> inetpro: those changes will be in the man so that should be okay
[19:28] <Wolfeyes> I was even looking at the A model
[19:28] <magespawn> thats the one
[19:29] <inetpro> magespawn: sometimes documentation is not always up to date
[19:29] <Wolfeyes> it only needs to run an interface window where the changes can be made to times manually, maybe have a password to enter it and then, if it has a relay trigger the siren or if it doesn't have a relay then trigger a relay which triggers the siren.
[19:29] <inetpro> in fact documentation is often not up to date
[19:29] <magespawn> ahh, i will tread with caution then inetpro 
[19:33] <Wolfeyes> Where did you buy yours from again magespawn?
[19:33] <magespawn> i didn't
[19:33] <magespawn> wife bought it
[19:33] <Wolfeyes> lol
[19:33] <Wolfeyes> Man she loves you......lol.
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: in (k)ubuntu 16.04 for instance you use 'Ctrl + A %' to split vertically and 'Ctrl + A |' to split horizontally 
[19:34] <inetpro> and I think in the older version it's the other way around
[19:35] <inetpro> or in fact Horizontal split = 'Ctrl+A S'
[19:35] <inetpro> and Vertical split = 'Ctrl+A |'
[19:35] <inetpro> splits are really awesome
[19:36] <magespawn> yup i love running things side by side, i used to use Terminator with split screens a lot
[19:37] <Wolfeyes> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/tradesearch/TradeSearch.jsp
[19:38] <Wolfeyes> was quite surprised there is even a manual from Haynes now
[19:39] <magespawn> that links just takes me to bid or buy search page
[19:43] <magespawn> wife says she got it from a local computer shop Wolfeyes 
[19:45] <Wolfeyes> type in rasberrypi 4 items come up of which one is the haynes manual
[19:45] <magespawn> heh cool
[19:45] <Wolfeyes> I'll talk to Matrix when I get a chance, buy a lot from them and they give me good discounts for local things
[19:49] <magespawn> nice, my search has turned up a view other things
[19:49] <Wolfeyes> Yeah I see that too
[19:50] <magespawn> nice toys
[19:50] <Wolfeyes> lol
[19:50] <magespawn> Wolfeyes: dwho is the siren controller for?
[19:50] <magespawn> s/dwh/who
[19:50] <Wolfeyes> clients
[19:51] <Wolfeyes> so they will pay for my fun lol
[19:51] <magespawn> did they just ask for a solution?
[19:51] <Wolfeyes> Nods
[19:51] <magespawn> right
[19:51] <magespawn> nice when people do that, just ask for a solution then let you find it
[19:52] <Wolfeyes> I have a digital timer in already but the daylight saving has gone haywire, and I could just get another one, but I started talkign to the clients and finding out what they wanted. So they told me. Now I just apply what they said and put the pieces together and get it to work and sell it back to them.
[19:53] <Wolfeyes> Plus have something which I now can sell to other clients
[19:53] <magespawn> nice
[19:53] <Wolfeyes> Because it doesn't exist.
[19:53] <magespawn> creating products
[19:53] <Wolfeyes> nods
[19:54] <Wolfeyes> always said I wanted to work smart and hard, not just one or the other.... there is always disadvantages in just choosing one.
[19:57] <Wolfeyes> want to get kilos involved with making the relay boards maybe, if it is cost effective, give him something to do and a chance to make some money.
[19:59] <magespawn> nice idea
[20:01] <Wolfeyes> http://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-raspberry-pi.html <--- wondering how well these work....
[20:03] <chesedo> Wolfeyes: something even smaller (and simplier) than the Pi is an arduino
[20:03] <Wolfeyes> I have seen with the biometrics stuff the chinese quality has improved a lot, so much so that it is surpassing the other competitors.
[20:03] <chesedo> oh and you in prt right?
[20:03] <Wolfeyes> oh.....
[20:03] <Wolfeyes> close to it, Rustenburg.
[20:06] <magespawn> and you can link a pi and arduino together
[20:08] <Wolfeyes> I actually have another application where a client has asked me to create a fingerprint device to allocate rations to people, problem being there is a computer runnign constantly, with this it would...
[20:08] <Wolfeyes> isn't a computer*
[20:17] <magespawn> the is also the pi zero
[20:18] <magespawn> sorry Wolfeyes, not getting that last one
[20:18] <Wolfeyes> the website?
[20:19] <magespawn> < Wolfeyes> I actually have another application where a client has asked me to create a fingerprint device to allocate rations  to people, problem being there is a computer runnign constantly, with this it would...
[20:19] <magespawn> .:22:09:15:. < Wolfeyes> isn't a computer*
[20:21] <Wolfeyes> I have a client that wants a biometric (fingerprint scanner) device, to register when people have taken and not taken rations they give out through fingerprint registration, it can be currently done on a normal computer but the site where they want it has no computers available, if I could connect the device to a pi, then it should work.  
[20:22] <magespawn> should work, how does the reader connect to the computer?
[20:22] <Wolfeyes> You have two ways of it registering, either on a controller box which is expensive or via software which need to be continuosly running.
[20:22] <Wolfeyes> network - rj45
[20:23] <magespawn> static ip?
[20:24] <Wolfeyes> or via normal communication points to the motherboard tx+/- and rx+/-
[20:24] <Wolfeyes> yeah
[20:25] <magespawn> so then you just need to see if the software will run on the pi. is the computer windows based?
[20:25] <chesedo> Rustenburg, hmm... There is a place in city central and one closer to menlyn that sells electronics - just can't remember names
[20:26] <Wolfeyes> yes it is.
[20:26] <magespawn> ahh and i suppose the software is closed source?
[20:27] <Wolfeyes> nods
[20:27] <Wolfeyes> will have to make my own there, hence another huge learning curve
[20:28] <magespawn> ahh maybe be able to run the windows inside some sort of virtual setup on the pi
[20:28] <Wolfeyes> maybe yes
[20:29] <Wolfeyes> just trying to think of what I used to use in kde
[20:29] <magespawn> if you can get the technical specs of the reader then writing the software becomes easier
[20:31] <magespawn> but that is also probably closed source
[20:31] <magespawn> have found this https://www.adafruit.com/products/751
[20:33] <Wolfeyes> check your dialogue lol
[20:34] <Wolfeyes> Oh that is interesting
[20:36] <Wolfeyes> Just trying to think of the names, there will be someone even cheaper than them
[20:36] <Wolfeyes> and the sensors are good qulaity
[20:36] <Wolfeyes> mmmm
[20:36] <Wolfeyes> you got me thinking now
[20:38] <Wolfeyes> that's a good indication of what needs to be done magespawn
[20:40] <Wolfeyes> I would have taken that a step further with three leds, so when the finger is not read it shows, experience in the field, this is needed.
[20:41] <Wolfeyes> ah they even put access control onto that, nice...
[20:42] <Wolfeyes> ty for that magespawn
[20:42] <magespawn> no problem
[21:16] <Wolfeyes> night everyone
[22:08] <magespawn> that is my bedtime too, good night all