[23:10] Latest try to get qjackctl working fails :( [23:12] The real problem from my POV is that indicators have reduced functionality as compared to systray items. Indicators trade functionality for being able to change settings easy... not a great trade where settings get used once in the life of an install. [23:14] Len__: have none of these things been changing for studio since 14.04 then? [23:14] * flocculant is just looking from outside here obviously [23:14] I think they have, but moving to qt5 seems to force some things. [23:15] oh right [23:15] Also I am still running the last LTS as my daily [23:15] *we* don't tend to see those things [23:15] yea [23:16] I think the old way is still there - I guess you're seeing the result of Xubuntu choices [23:16] flocculant: I can't find any xfce bits for systray, just indicators. [23:17] indicators _is_ the future if I like it or not, but there is the messy crossover. [23:18] pretty sure all the old stuff is still there - xubuntu just uses indicators* now [23:18] qjackctl happens to be a minor app in the linux ecosystem as a whole, but major in the Pro-Audio ecosystem. [23:19] yea - I can at least understand that :) [23:19] Quassel does show any icon either, says no docmanager. [23:22] Hmm, but alltray can grab quassel and dock it... [23:58] I would be quite happy to replace the panel with Cairo-dock. (should work on any DE)