[23:10] <Len__> Latest try to get qjackctl working fails :(
[23:12] <Len__> The real problem from my POV is that indicators have reduced functionality as compared to systray items. Indicators trade functionality for being able to change settings easy... not a great trade where settings get used once in the life of an install.
[23:14] <flocculant> Len__: have none of these things been changing for studio since 14.04 then? 
[23:14]  * flocculant is just looking from outside here obviously
[23:14] <Len__> I think they have, but moving to qt5 seems to force some things.
[23:15] <flocculant> oh right
[23:15] <Len__> Also I am still running the last LTS as my daily
[23:15] <flocculant> *we* don't tend to see those things 
[23:15] <flocculant> yea
[23:16] <flocculant> I think the old way is still there - I guess you're seeing the result of Xubuntu choices
[23:16] <Len__> flocculant: I can't find any xfce bits for systray, just indicators.
[23:17] <Len__> indicators _is_ the future if I like it or not, but there is the messy crossover.
[23:18] <flocculant> pretty sure all the old stuff is still there - xubuntu just uses indicators* now
[23:18] <Len__> qjackctl happens to be a minor app in the linux ecosystem as a whole, but major in the Pro-Audio ecosystem.
[23:19] <flocculant> yea - I can at least understand that :)
[23:19] <Len__> Quassel does show any icon either, says no docmanager.
[23:22] <Len__> Hmm, but alltray can grab quassel and dock it...
[23:58] <Len__> I would be quite happy to replace the panel with Cairo-dock. (should work on any DE)