[00:45] <tsimonq2> wxl, phillw: I heard rumors that 14.04 -> 16.04 is fixed, so I'm making myself a stock Lubuntu 14.04 install and I'll upgrade to 16.04, hopefully it doesn't break everything :)
[00:46] <tsimonq2> (installing on a flash drive)
[00:47] <phillw> tsimonq2: it is, but will not be there until next spin
[00:47] <phillw> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1555237
[00:47] <phillw> tsimonq2:  do pay attention!!!!
[00:47] <tsimonq2> phillw: but I'm testing anyways :)
[00:47] <phillw> as you wish...
[00:47] <tsimonq2> and I'm not using an ISO
[00:47] <tsimonq2> I'm using https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/apds04.html
[00:47] <tsimonq2> so it should be fixed in my install :)
[00:47] <phillw> I'm awaiting the spin to arrive and follow iso testing proceedure
[00:48] <tsimonq2> I'll follow the upgrade test prodecure, if we have one :)
[00:48] <phillw> we have 2 :D
[00:48] <tsimonq2> heh, I'll look :)
[00:48] <phillw> one for lts and one for short release
[01:46] <tsimonq2> :/ 4 GB flash drive is too small, partitioning my hard drvie and repeating, so although it's delayed, I'll deliver :)
[01:46] <tsimonq2> *drive
[01:55] <phillw> 4 GB is not too small for alternate :P
[01:57] <phillw> and, i am NOT boasting, but my smaller HDDs are all in working machines - so I'm backing up my external 1TB disk to one of the 2TB ones so I can use it as a usb stick... I know it sounds crazy, but new piglet is usb3 and they fly like hell on it!!!
[01:57] <tsimonq2> well I can use Lubuntu but it needs ~ 800 MB more to do-release-upgrade
[01:58] <tsimonq2> heheheheheh
[01:58] <phillw> my usb disks I have working machines on, which will be updated once I have a proven solutuon
[01:59] <phillw> tsimonq2: ahh, yeah... that could be a killer.... Not tried to push the lower boundaries of what it can handle as I default give 10 GB so I can then do side by side install as part of test process.
[02:00] <phillw> that is something that needs investigating tsimonq2
[02:09] <tsimonq2> phillw: what, specifically?
[02:09] <tsimonq2> disk space?
[02:09] <phillw> yes
[02:09] <phillw> well, free disk space
[02:09] <tsimonq2> I'll do that after I confirm 14.04 -> 16.04
[02:10] <tsimonq2> I'll install stock Lubuntu and play with that, then I'll use my metapackage and test LXQt
[02:10] <phillw> i will also play tomorrow once the iso tracker confirms the new iso is there with the fix in.
[02:10] <tsimonq2> I'll send to lubuntu-devel afterwards, on both occasions :)
[02:12] <phillw> okies, but do use the iso-tracker test cases, as those are the ones that matter to Walter when it comes to release time.
[02:13] <tsimonq2> yup, although I can always poke him :)
[02:13] <tsimonq2> reboot time! :)
[02:13] <phillw> tsimonq2: not for final release. We bend them all the way thru'
[02:21] <tsimonq2> :)
[02:22] <tsimonq2> phillw: for that, I will have a VM :)
[02:23] <tsimonq2> not today, bare metal :)
[02:23] <tsimonq2> (at dad's)
[02:24] <phillw> when we go to RC, I use bare metal.
[02:25] <tsimonq2> *especially* on an LTS! :)
[02:25] <phillw> as good as KVM is, and it is one I fully trust. I like to use a machine for it.... and as my Mum has a lubuntu laptop that she does not use in the winter months, it is an ideal test machine :)
[02:26] <tsimonq2> totally :)
[02:36] <phillw> I always use it for RC week
[02:36] <phillw> Like you, I've been running 16.04 for ages!!!
[02:40] <tsimonq2> heheheheh I've been running it since the day Wily was released, and I'll run Y as soon as Xenial releases :)
[02:46] <phillw> tsimonq2: well, actually you have not, but it is pedantic.. all the next release is what the hangovers from previous release. A very clear example of this is the step changes in the kernel. With 16.04 out of the way, there are lots of devs wetting their teeth to have stuff allowed in to 16.10 :D
[02:47] <tsimonq2> wwweeellllll...toolchain upgrades right away :)
[02:49] <phillw> that is an admin task that has to be carried out each cycle, just as updating the iso-tracker ... Their list is some what longer than ours for just lubuntu, but are basically the same tasks... tell the system there is a +1 coming in.
[02:50] <phillw> tsimonq2: next one is fun.... 14.04.5 along with 16.04.1 .....
[02:51] <tsimonq2> yes :)
[02:53] <phillw> and even Adam Conrad said the timing for 14.04.4 and a milestone test for 16.04 in two weeks back to back was a clash of diaries. So, with 14.04.5, 16.04.1 and milestones for 16.10 they will plan the diary so that they do not exhaust and drive testers away.
[02:54] <ianorlyn> phillw, but dailies are hard to track on the tester
[02:55] <phillw> ianorlyn: I did raise a bug for this, but balloons wandered off to the new toy of automatic testing and it was never progressed.
[02:55] <ianorlyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1543871 I raised a bug as well and it got confirmed and marked wishlist
[02:56] <phillw> indeed... wishlist == thanks, never going to happen .... what is needed is testers to go "affects me" and bump the heat up.
[02:57] <tsimonq2> *SIGH* http://paste.ubuntu.com/15584360/
[02:58] <phillw> tsimonq2: good fun trying though!! do you still have a working machine?
[02:58] <tsimonq2> heh yeah :)
[02:58] <phillw> then the killer bug is slain.
[02:58] <tsimonq2> you wanna add that to the bug report, create a new one, or should I do something?
[02:58] <phillw> tsimonq2: nope, it is a work around :)
[02:59] <tsimonq2> I'm hoping sudo apt -f install is a workaround :)
[02:59] <tsimonq2> :/ nope
[03:00] <phillw> tsimonq2: use synaptics and ask it to fix all the broken stuff.... then apply.
[03:00] <tsimonq2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15584384/
[03:00] <tsimonq2> synaptics? is that CLI?
[03:00] <phillw> I am used to this for upgrades
[03:00] <phillw> tsimonq2: nope, it just gets the bloody job done :)
[03:01] <phillw> you are updating a GUI system, not a server.
[03:01] <tsimonq2> *sigh*
[03:01] <tsimonq2> !info synaptic xenial
[03:01] <tsimonq2> right?
[03:02] <tsimonq2> if so, won't install
[03:02] <phillw> no, just Menu --> system stuff --> Synaptic
[03:02] <phillw> it comes pre-installed, tsimonq2
[03:02] <tsimonq2> OH
[03:02] <tsimonq2> I see
[03:02] <tsimonq2> :)
[03:03] <phillw> you will find the "fix broken packages"
[03:03] <tsimonq2> that's awesome :D
[03:03] <phillw> under the Edit tab
[03:04]  * tsimonq2 nods
[03:05] <tsimonq2> nope, doesn't fix it
[03:05] <phillw> well, I'd say bug is still present
[03:06] <phillw> I will await today's spins to give fix 24 hours to actually arrive.
[03:07] <ianorlyn> I think I could respin the daily if I really needed to
[03:09] <phillw> ianorlyn: do you know if the fix has progressed down to the build server?
[03:09] <ianorlyn> not sure
[03:10] <phillw> The one thing I like about the cron jobs is that when they fire stuff in, they fire it in in time to be there for next build, and then we get tsimonq2 going "I want to test it now!!!" ... and it falls over.... :: SIGH ::
[03:11] <tsimonq2> heheheheh
[03:17] <tsimonq2> phillw: so where do I file a bug report?
[03:18] <phillw> tsimonq2: until 24 hours, you cannot
[03:18] <tsimonq2> alright, I'll wait, can you confirm tomorrow? :)
[03:19] <phillw> tsimonq2: I will test after next re-spin
[03:19] <tsimonq2> okay :)
[03:19] <phillw> the cron job does its job for a reason.
[03:29] <tsimonq2> I'm off for the night, o/
[03:32] <phillw> tsimonq2: As you may see, I've asked on #ubuntu-release
[03:33] <phillw> tsimonq2: slaapwell
[05:00] <phillw> tsimonq2:  and any other testers, here is my chat with release team member http://pastebin.com/k3MRUbu6
[14:34] <phillw> tsimonq2: system was screaming for a reboot :)
[21:18] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: hey, ping
[21:43] <ianorlyn> yes tsimonq2
[22:20] <tsimonq2> ianorlyn: you mind giving me a hand updating Lubuntu/Testing? I want to make sure it's as clear as possible. :)
[22:20] <tsimonq2> ianorlyn: AKA https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[22:21] <tsimonq2> I'll edit the main page, if you want to edit after I'm done or a different subpage, that would be awesome
[22:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: if you no longer would like the Lubuntu QA ML to be used, delete it in Launchpad please
[22:34] <Unit193> It has history, I would recommend simply closing.
[22:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: < Unit193> It has history, I would recommend simply closing.
[22:35] <tsimonq2> Unit193: he doesn't see backlogs if he is AFK :P
[22:36] <Unit193> That's OK, pings are hit and miss for him too. :P