=== daftykins is now known as hateball === hateball is now known as daftykins [09:31] morning boys and girls. [09:45] morning [09:52] morning diddledan [12:44] directhex: that qnap QvPC thing is pretty awesome... [13:13] hi [13:28] ahoy, ahoy! [13:29] ndf: hi [13:29] anyone buy the Ubuntu tablet here? [13:29] I guess popey did but anyone else [13:32] i didnt [13:38] ...yet... :-) [13:40] :) [13:41] I just got given another bq e4.5 [13:41] got 4 of them now [13:44] popey: you got given by whom? [13:44] popey: also whta'st the differece really between the bq global and worldwide stores that's a bit confussing [13:45] oh e4.5 the first one yeah, not the HD [13:50] popey: yeah the 4.5 is the rejcted phone now so :d [13:51] you running any of them on android? [13:52] ndf: I doubt he would [13:52] popey: oh yeah that was a great Linux VOice interview :d [13:52] where it als o said you don't like Android much [13:52] I quite like Marshmallow [13:52] I got me a Nexus 6P (the new huawei one) [13:53] sexy beast [13:53] Android is a bit uh well the second you start installing apps [13:53] not mine [13:53] suddenly get adverts all over the phone [13:53] and [13:53] also apps want access to pretty much evertyhing most of them [13:53] so much for privacy [13:53] not if you are sensible about what you install [13:53] yes let's have access to your photo gallery etc [13:54] you can detect ad packages in each app and decide what you want to uninstall [13:54] and in marshmallow [13:54] you can restrict permissions [13:54] ndf: can you, that must be new [13:54] for add thing [13:54] and alow specific things for each app [13:54] permissins I did read that in marshmellow could do something [13:54] ,but older Androids nope so [13:54] ...would you run Windows 3.1? [13:55] don't run old android. [13:55] Android may have Linux in the background, but it also tighes people to Google hmm [13:55] not really [13:55] ndf: would I run Windows 3.1 yep sometimes :d well via the stuff on arhcieve.org :) [13:55] lol [13:55] you seen that [13:55] you don't have to use gmail and google calendar if you don't want to [13:55] you can basically run Windows 3.1 now and lots of the old programs online now in a browser [13:56] you can play the old solitare with the old decks, play around in the old paint, and much more [13:56] well for the same reason you don't like old android, I wouldn't bother with Win3x [13:56] lol [13:56] you get what I'm saying [13:56] ndf: the onlien stuff is intersting [13:56] ndf: for an actsaul install though same I woudn't bother with that either [13:57] ...so check [13:57] out [13:57] Marshmallow [13:57] lol sry didn't mean to press enter [13:57] need some kind of device to run that buy somethign unless [13:57] twice [13:57] unless [13:57] androix x86 maybe, oh right I got Remix OS anyay on that tablet nad Remix Mimin's based on that, so uhmm and good :) [13:57] ndf: Androdi is a bit well boring to now [13:57] you can run it in a vm if you don't want to shell out on a device [13:57] ndf: since Android is all over the place in the main streame [13:58] in the main strmeae is only really two options proper ones, that's Iphone, and Android [13:58] Windows phone sort of in some places, but hardly so nope [13:58] * sebsebseb has sit on the bus for example plenty of times now, hearing people getting a text on Android etc [13:58] ? [13:58] ndf: Android is boring [13:59] or mostly [13:59] ...because you hear people receive a message? [13:59] eh!? [13:59] no [13:59] no [13:59] lol [13:59] just since it's got popualr last few years etc [13:59] it's boring [13:59] we need something new [13:59] Ubuntu? Jolla? Firefox uhmm right htey don't target phones anymore [13:59] lol so linux became popular a long time ago, why don't you leave here? [13:59] there's still a _lot_ of dumbphones about [13:59] an Open SUse phone I read something about yesteraddy beifuly or that was an April fools [13:59] aren't you bored of ubuntu and windows [13:59] get a mac pfff [13:59] lol [14:00] you're ridiculous [14:00] ndf: for a desktop I am bored of Ubuntu sure [14:00] ndf: but Unity 8 should come soon to desktop as well and Mir then things will get interesting ish again for Ubuntu [14:00] but if i had a choice of os i'd probably at this stage want emacs os on a phone... :-) [14:00] ndf: and I would normally run something else on computers distro wise [14:00] for now [14:01] ,but I care less about this stuff, so actsaully been running Ubuntu a bit longer than inteded on this lap top since... plus was going to re set everything up agian WIndows the whole lot, I just haven't done it yet [14:01] thanks sebsebseb [14:01] popey: the LInux voice thing you meant? [14:01] my poiunt was every reason you've given for disliking android is on older versions, I suggested to try Marshmallow and you don't want to check it out because 'oh, it's popular now' [14:01] ya [14:02] friend gave me the e4.5 [14:02] rejected phone? [14:02] popey: it seemed a bit long when just seeing htep ages, it was like four pages uh? but then when reading it, it was like, uhmm there could have been more :) having some more would have been good [14:02] heh, appreciate that [14:02] we chatted for about 3 hours [14:02] he came over to my house to do the interview, chat and drink coffee [14:03] popey: well there's the Meizu MX 4 for those who have that :), the BQ HD. 4.5 is the old first one. there's the Meizu Pro 5 to soon I guessa [14:03] popey: yep seemed he had actsaully gone there going by the article [14:03] so they say [14:03] yeah, the photos are in my dining room :) [14:03] oh right [14:05] * sebsebseb wonders why BQ has two stores aimed at the whole world or pretty much by the looksofit, but with confussing names global and worlwide. [14:06] what'st the diference? [14:06] no idea [14:07] popey: Isee the FHD came back in stock [14:07] popey: if it's still available like that onThursday I amintending onbuying [14:08] I think certainpeople willget disappaointed with those tablets or at first though [14:08] Oh I want to run this and that native Ubuntu app,but oh can't just do it,got toput inread write mode? [14:08] read write mood I assume would belike runining root for everything in a normal distro? [14:09] hence why the security updates the over the air updats don't install to, if I read omg ubuntu right [14:09] the ota updates are a readonly image [14:09] making your device rw just means you switch off the ro flag [14:09] so you can fiddle with files or use apt [14:10] will do the over the air updates still install then? [14:10] yes [14:10] but you may lose your changes [14:10] oh changes when updating? [14:10] itw ill wipe them out? [14:10] well, you get a new root filesystem [14:10] maybe [14:10] depends what you do [14:10] not even sure how to put it in read write mode right n ow, but I guess via terminal or something [14:11] Iguess there will be some articles about that soon, once people actasully get those tables [14:11] there's a command for it [14:11] its already well documented [14:11] no different than the phone [14:11] (It's the same software) [14:11] oh right ok [14:11] but yes it's the convergence that people want to playw ith a lot [14:11] running standard desktop programs on there [14:12] not sure that needs read-write mode [14:12] we'll see [14:12] maybe omg ubuntu was wrong then [14:12] but I Think most of the info they got was done via remours etc for tablet [14:13] well, i think the info they published was based on the unreleased images [14:13] it's not final yet [14:13] unreleased images? [14:13] yes, non-stable ones [14:13] not final [14:14] oh the dev stuff yeah [14:14] * sebsebseb waits for Jolla re fund as well :d been about three weekks already after saying yes re fund [14:14] oh, you're not getting a tablet? Shame [14:15] indeed I am not one of the lucky ones in that sense, but what I have worked out is this :d [14:15] my Jolla phone that I bought on the [14:15] campagin for the tablet, that's going to basically become free once I get re funded [14:15] yep I am getting re funded for that as well :) maybe I paid a little shipping orsomething, but yep it's basically going to bedcome free as well [14:16] popey: so I am getting about 200 pounds in the first lot of re fund, and then about 200 pounds again in the second, but myJolla phone basicaly becomes free as well as I was saying which is kind of nice really [14:18] popey: I think the tablets aren't going to be that supported now anyway, well ther will be softtware updadates for Jolla [14:18] what are jolla doing now then? [14:18] if they're not making hardware and not supporting their software? [14:18] they are supproign there OS [14:19] they are trying to refund those who are going to get re funded [14:19] and trying to get deals else where with hardware manufactures to it seems [14:19] to bring the OS to other hardware [14:19] oh [14:19] popey: I am about to have something interesting sent to me, that I crowd funded last year though :) [14:21] :) [14:21] popey oh what was that? [14:21] Arduboy [14:21] Hah, I ordered one too :) [14:21] I orederd five :d [14:21] one of each colour yep [14:21] ! [14:21] plus I got two of the Tetris cards pre orderd that [14:22] seems having a few has turend out to be a good idea for Arduboy since they can only acstaully run one game at once [14:22] and that going by a video I saw, putting on a differnet game can be a little tricky [14:23] popey: heh ! was in shock? [14:24] plus having a few makes it easier to show certian people, if bother to do that :d [14:26] have you seen the little arduboy rpg? [14:26] Arduventure [14:26] one of the games? [14:26] not really looked properly at the games yet, since not got a Arduboy yet, but when I got them [14:26] yep I will look properly at games for them [14:28] popey: how do you keep up with what's being corwd funded? [14:28] or you just look every now and again [14:29] mostly via what people post on twitter / G+ [14:29] or reddit [14:29] now and then i look at "staff picks" or something [14:29] i follow a lot of people on twitter though so see a lot that way [14:30] ah right I see yeah [14:30] popey: well that nxdock is nearly funded [14:30] I think that's going to happen [14:30] blimey [14:30] why is that your response? [14:31] I think it will be useful for remix mini etc [14:31] rassbery pi etc [14:31] but yes it has a bad resolution or so you think so you woudn't buy I know :d [14:32] popey: going to crowd fund it later :d it's only like 84 pounds 119 is about 84 pounds [14:32] 119 dollars is about 84 pounds [14:33] they been really good at replying to most comments [14:33] not many acstaul project updates, but lots of replies in the comments yep [14:34] popey: so if that was a scam, tehy have done quite a bit to earn such a large amount of money heh [14:35] its an interesting device [14:35] just not something I'd use [14:37] I can see a useage so :) === hamitron_ is now known as hamitron [17:19] * penguin42 is still hmming about where to use to renew my .org registration - any suggestions? [17:20] gandi.ent? [17:20] net [17:20] used them yourself? [17:20] yeah, I have all my domains there [17:22] +1 vote for gandi [17:22] 'ave a ganda @ gandi [17:24] nominate.com want 19.20 inc for 1 year which is exhorbitant, gandi are 13.64 inc for one year [17:25] is that a pun on nominet? [17:26] diddledan: Possibly; they've been around for a long time [17:26] how does Gandi do whois security - do they automatically hide your details? [17:27] probably opt-in [17:27] there's a flag for it [17:28] they also do two-factor authentication, with TOTP [17:29] ah yes, they do a thing to hide it https://www.gandi.net/domain/whois/ [17:43] 2T down, 1 to go... [17:43] and a *second* failed disk in the new array @_@ [17:45] * zmoylan-pi remembers my last seagate 3tb drive. i had just filled it up from all the drives scattered around the house when it slowed down to speeds slower than serial transfers... [17:47] as good as low power flourescent bulbs then? [17:47] i think my spectrum transferred to tape faster... [17:51] though it's hard to find an audio cassette to hold 3tb of data to compare... :-P [17:53] zmoylan-pi: And if there was one it would get to 2.9tb before scrunching up [17:53] not a problem i have a pencil [17:54] biros are better [17:55] i don't think i ever used a biro... [17:56] my hand writing was terrible _before_ i learned to program computers so my mother would not allow me to use biros [17:56] the extra friction from pencil and fountain pens made my hand writing more legible [20:02] got my star wars stuff out today [20:02] https://goo.gl/photos/As5gmKgsPhC8UAmD7 [20:02] https://goo.gl/photos/AhV9u5w8rbRb2nx28 [20:04] aren't the originals with boxes supposed to be worth something these days? [20:06] the last 17 ROTJ figures are pretty valuable [20:06] the xwing has a sticker sheet of unused stickers [20:06] the box is a bit damaged [20:07] i have a few last 17 [20:07] a wing pilot, yak face, etc. not on card but with guns in mint codnition [21:19] zmoylan-pi: surely all transfers to SATA or SAS disks are de facto slower than or equal to the speed of serial transfers, no? [22:49] hmm, Manchester will be holding the International Clouds & Precipitation conference