[09:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:45] <diddledan> morning
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning diddledan
[12:44] <ndf> directhex: that qnap QvPC thing is pretty awesome...
[13:13] <sebsebseb> hi
[13:28] <ndf> ahoy, ahoy!
[13:29] <sebsebseb> ndf: hi
[13:29] <sebsebseb> anyone buy the Ubuntu tablet here?
[13:29] <sebsebseb> I guess popey did but anyone else
[13:32] <popey> i didnt
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> ...yet... :-)
[13:40] <popey> :)
[13:41] <popey> I just got given another bq e4.5
[13:41] <popey> got 4 of them now
[13:44] <sebsebseb> popey: you got given by whom?
[13:44] <sebsebseb> popey: also whta'st the differece really between the bq global and worldwide stores that's a bit confussing
[13:45] <sebsebseb> oh  e4.5 the first one yeah, not the HD
[13:50] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah the 4.5 is the rejcted phone now so :d
[13:51] <ndf> you running any of them on android?
[13:52] <sebsebseb> ndf: I doubt he would
[13:52] <sebsebseb> popey: oh yeah that was a great Linux VOice interview :d
[13:52] <sebsebseb> where it als o said you don't like Android much
[13:52] <ndf> I quite like Marshmallow
[13:52] <ndf> I got me a Nexus 6P (the new huawei one)
[13:53] <ndf> sexy beast
[13:53] <sebsebseb> Android is a bit uh well the second you start installing apps
[13:53] <ndf> not mine
[13:53] <sebsebseb> suddenly get adverts all over  the phone
[13:53] <sebsebseb> and
[13:53] <sebsebseb> also apps want access to pretty much evertyhing most of them
[13:53] <sebsebseb> so much for privacy
[13:53] <ndf> not if you are sensible about what you install
[13:53] <sebsebseb> yes let's have  access to your photo gallery etc
[13:54] <ndf> you can detect ad packages in each app and decide what you want to uninstall
[13:54] <ndf> and in marshmallow
[13:54] <ndf> you can restrict permissions
[13:54] <sebsebseb> ndf: can you, that must be new
[13:54] <sebsebseb> for add thing
[13:54] <ndf> and alow specific things for each app
[13:54] <sebsebseb> permissins  I did read that in marshmellow could do something
[13:54] <sebsebseb> ,but older Androids nope so
[13:54] <ndf> ...would you run Windows 3.1?
[13:55] <ndf> don't run old android.
[13:55] <sebsebseb> Android may have Linux in the background, but it also tighes people to Google hmm
[13:55] <ndf> not really
[13:55] <sebsebseb> ndf: would I run Windows 3.1 yep sometimes :d  well via the stuff on arhcieve.org :)
[13:55] <ndf> lol
[13:55] <sebsebseb> you seen that
[13:55] <ndf> you don't have to use gmail and google calendar if you don't want to
[13:55] <sebsebseb> you can basically run Windows 3.1 now and lots of the old programs online now in a browser
[13:56] <sebsebseb> you can play the old solitare with the old decks, play around in the old paint, and much more
[13:56] <ndf> well for the same reason you don't like old android, I wouldn't bother with Win3x
[13:56] <ndf> lol
[13:56] <ndf> you get what I'm saying
[13:56] <sebsebseb> ndf: the onlien stuff is intersting
[13:56] <sebsebseb> ndf: for an actsaul install though same I woudn't bother with that either
[13:57] <ndf> ...so check
[13:57] <ndf> out
[13:57] <ndf> Marshmallow
[13:57] <ndf> lol sry didn't mean to press enter
[13:57] <sebsebseb> need some kind of device to run that buy somethign unless
[13:57] <ndf> twice
[13:57] <sebsebseb> unless
[13:57] <sebsebseb> androix x86 maybe, oh right I got Remix OS anyay on that tablet nad Remix Mimin's based on that, so uhmm and good :)
[13:57] <sebsebseb> ndf: Androdi is a bit well boring to now
[13:57] <ndf> you can run it in a vm if you don't want to shell out on a device
[13:57] <sebsebseb> ndf: since Android is all over the place in the main streame
[13:58] <sebsebseb> in the main strmeae is only really two options proper ones, that's Iphone, and Android
[13:58] <sebsebseb> Windows phone sort of in some places, but hardly so nope
[13:58]  * sebsebseb has sit on the bus for example plenty of times now, hearing people getting a text on Android etc
[13:58] <ndf> ?
[13:58] <sebsebseb> ndf: Android is boring
[13:59] <sebsebseb> or mostly
[13:59] <ndf> ...because you hear people receive a message?
[13:59] <ndf> eh!?
[13:59] <sebsebseb> no
[13:59] <sebsebseb> no
[13:59] <ndf> lol
[13:59] <sebsebseb> just since it's got popualr last few years etc
[13:59] <sebsebseb> it's boring
[13:59] <sebsebseb> we need something new
[13:59] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu? Jolla? Firefox uhmm right htey don't target phones anymore
[13:59] <ndf> lol so linux became popular a long time ago, why don't you leave here?
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> there's still a _lot_ of dumbphones about
[13:59] <sebsebseb> an Open SUse phone I read something about yesteraddy beifuly or that was an April fools
[13:59] <ndf> aren't you bored of ubuntu and windows
[13:59] <ndf> get a mac pfff
[13:59] <ndf> lol
[14:00] <ndf> you're ridiculous
[14:00] <sebsebseb> ndf: for a desktop I am bored of Ubuntu sure
[14:00] <sebsebseb> ndf: but Unity 8 should come soon to desktop as well and Mir then things will get interesting  ish again for Ubuntu
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> but if i had a choice of os i'd probably at this stage want emacs os on a phone... :-)
[14:00] <sebsebseb> ndf: and I would normally run something else on computers distro wise
[14:00] <sebsebseb> for now
[14:01] <sebsebseb> ,but  I care less about this stuff, so actsaully been running Ubuntu a bit longer than inteded on this lap top since...  plus was going to re set everything up agian WIndows the whole lot, I just haven't done it yet
[14:01] <popey> thanks sebsebseb
[14:01] <sebsebseb> popey: the LInux voice thing you meant?
[14:01] <ndf> my poiunt was every reason you've given for disliking android is on older versions, I suggested to try Marshmallow and you don't want to check it out because 'oh, it's popular now'
[14:01] <popey> ya
[14:02] <popey> friend gave me the e4.5
[14:02] <popey> rejected phone?
[14:02] <sebsebseb> popey: it seemed a bit long when just seeing htep ages, it was like four pages uh? but then when reading it, it was like, uhmm there could have been more :) having some more would have been good
[14:02] <popey> heh, appreciate that
[14:02] <popey> we chatted for about 3 hours
[14:02] <popey> he came over to my house to do the interview, chat and drink coffee
[14:03] <sebsebseb> popey: well there's the Meizu MX 4 for those who have that :),  the BQ HD.  4.5 is the old first one.  there's the Meizu Pro 5 to soon I guessa
[14:03] <sebsebseb> popey: yep seemed he had actsaully gone there going by the article
[14:03] <popey> so they say
[14:03] <popey> yeah, the photos are in my dining room :)
[14:03] <sebsebseb> oh right
[14:05]  * sebsebseb wonders why BQ has two stores aimed at the whole world or pretty much by the looksofit, but with confussing names global and worlwide.
[14:06] <sebsebseb> what'st the diference?
[14:06] <popey> no idea
[14:07] <sebsebseb> popey: Isee the FHD came back in stock
[14:07] <sebsebseb> popey: if it's still available like that onThursday I amintending onbuying
[14:08] <sebsebseb> I think certainpeople willget disappaointed with those tablets or at first though
[14:08] <sebsebseb> Oh I want to run  this and that native Ubuntu app,but oh can't just do it,got toput inread write mode?
[14:08] <sebsebseb> read write mood I assume would belike runining root for everything in a  normal  distro?
[14:09] <sebsebseb> hence why the security updates the over the air updats don't install to, if I read omg ubuntu right
[14:09] <popey> the ota updates are a readonly image
[14:09] <popey> making your device rw just means you switch off the ro flag
[14:09] <popey> so you can fiddle with files or use apt
[14:10] <sebsebseb> will do the over the air updates still install then?
[14:10] <popey> yes
[14:10] <popey> but you may lose your changes
[14:10] <sebsebseb> oh changes when updating?
[14:10] <sebsebseb> itw ill wipe them out?
[14:10] <popey> well, you get a new root filesystem
[14:10] <popey> maybe
[14:10] <popey> depends what you do
[14:10] <sebsebseb> not even sure how to put it in  read write mode right n ow, but I guess via terminal or something
[14:11] <sebsebseb> Iguess there will be some articles about that soon, once people actasully get those tables
[14:11] <popey> there's a command for it
[14:11] <popey> its already well documented
[14:11] <popey> no different than the phone
[14:11] <popey> (It's the same software)
[14:11] <sebsebseb> oh right ok
[14:11] <sebsebseb> but yes it's the convergence that people want to playw ith a lot
[14:11] <sebsebseb> running standard desktop programs on there
[14:12] <popey> not sure that needs read-write mode
[14:12] <popey> we'll see
[14:12] <sebsebseb> maybe omg ubuntu was wrong then
[14:12] <sebsebseb> but I Think most of the info they got was done via remours etc for tablet
[14:13] <popey> well, i think the info they published was based on the unreleased images
[14:13] <popey> it's not final yet
[14:13] <sebsebseb> unreleased images?
[14:13] <popey> yes, non-stable ones
[14:13] <popey> not final
[14:14] <sebsebseb> oh the dev stuff yeah
[14:14]  * sebsebseb waits for Jolla re fund as well :d been about three weekks already after saying yes re fund
[14:14] <popey> oh, you're not getting a tablet? Shame
[14:15] <sebsebseb> indeed I am not one of the lucky ones in that sense, but what I have worked out is this :d
[14:15] <sebsebseb> my Jolla phone that I bought on the
[14:15] <sebsebseb> campagin for the tablet, that's going to basically become free once I get re funded
[14:15] <sebsebseb> yep  I am getting re funded for that as well :) maybe I paid a little shipping orsomething, but yep it's basically going to bedcome free as well
[14:16] <sebsebseb> popey: so I am getting about 200 pounds in the first lot of re fund, and then about 200 pounds again in the second, but myJolla phone basicaly becomes free as well as I was saying which is kind of nice really
[14:18] <sebsebseb> popey: I think the tablets aren't going to be that supported now anyway, well ther will be softtware updadates for Jolla
[14:18] <popey> what are jolla doing now then?
[14:18] <popey> if they're not making hardware and not supporting their software?
[14:18] <sebsebseb> they are supproign there OS
[14:19] <sebsebseb> they are trying to refund those who are going to get re funded
[14:19] <sebsebseb> and trying to get deals else where with hardware manufactures to it seems
[14:19] <sebsebseb> to bring the OS to other hardware
[14:19] <popey> oh
[14:19] <sebsebseb> popey: I am about to have something interesting sent to me, that I crowd funded last year though :)
[14:21] <popey> :)
[14:21] <sebsebseb> popey oh what was that?
[14:21] <sebsebseb> Arduboy
[14:21] <popey> Hah, I ordered one too :)
[14:21] <sebsebseb> I orederd five :d
[14:21] <sebsebseb> one of each colour yep
[14:21] <popey> !
[14:21] <sebsebseb> plus I got two of the Tetris cards  pre orderd that
[14:22] <sebsebseb> seems having a few has turend out to be a good idea for Arduboy since they can only acstaully run one game at once
[14:22] <sebsebseb> and that going by a video I saw, putting on a differnet game can be a little tricky
[14:23] <sebsebseb> popey: heh ! was in shock?
[14:24] <sebsebseb> plus having  a few makes it easier to show certian people, if bother to do that :d
[14:26] <popey> have you seen the little arduboy rpg?
[14:26] <popey> Arduventure
[14:26] <sebsebseb> one  of the games?
[14:26] <sebsebseb> not really looked properly at the games yet, since not got a Arduboy yet, but when I got them
[14:26] <sebsebseb> yep I will look properly at games for them
[14:28] <sebsebseb> popey: how do you keep up with what's being corwd funded?
[14:28] <sebsebseb> or you just look every now and again
[14:29] <popey> mostly via what people post on twitter / G+
[14:29] <popey> or reddit
[14:29] <popey> now and then i look at "staff picks" or something
[14:29] <popey> i follow a lot of people on twitter though so see a lot that way
[14:30] <sebsebseb> ah right I see yeah
[14:30] <sebsebseb> popey: well that nxdock is nearly funded
[14:30] <sebsebseb> I think that's going to happen
[14:30] <popey> blimey
[14:30] <sebsebseb> why is that your response?
[14:31] <sebsebseb> I think it will be useful for remix mini etc
[14:31] <sebsebseb> rassbery pi etc
[14:31] <sebsebseb> but yes it has  a bad resolution or so you think so you woudn't buy I know :d
[14:32] <sebsebseb> popey: going to crowd fund it later :d  it's only like 84 pounds 119 is about 84 pounds
[14:32] <sebsebseb> 119 dollars is about 84 pounds
[14:33] <sebsebseb> they been really good at replying to most comments
[14:33] <sebsebseb> not many acstaul project updates, but lots of replies in the comments yep
[14:34] <sebsebseb> popey: so if that was a scam, tehy have done quite a bit to earn such a large amount of money heh
[14:35] <popey> its an interesting device
[14:35] <popey> just not something I'd use
[14:37] <sebsebseb> I can see a useage so :)
[17:19]  * penguin42 is still hmming about where to use to renew my .org registration - any suggestions?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> gandi.ent?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> net
[17:20] <penguin42> used them yourself?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I have all my domains there
[17:22] <popey> +1 vote for gandi
[17:22] <diddledan> 'ave a ganda @ gandi
[17:24] <penguin42> nominate.com want 19.20 inc for 1 year which is exhorbitant, gandi are 13.64 inc for one year
[17:25] <diddledan> is that a pun on nominet?
[17:26] <penguin42> diddledan: Possibly; they've been around for a long time
[17:26] <penguin42> how does Gandi do whois security   - do they automatically hide your details?
[17:27] <diddledan> probably opt-in
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> there's a flag for it
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> they also do two-factor authentication, with TOTP
[17:29] <penguin42> ah yes, they do a thing to hide it https://www.gandi.net/domain/whois/
[17:43] <directhex> 2T down, 1 to go...
[17:43] <directhex> and a *second* failed disk in the new array @_@
[17:45]  * zmoylan-pi remembers my last seagate 3tb drive.  i had just filled it up from all the drives scattered around the house when it slowed down to speeds slower than serial transfers...
[17:47] <penguin42> as good as low power flourescent bulbs then?
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> i think my spectrum transferred to tape faster...
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> though it's hard to find an audio cassette to hold 3tb of data to compare... :-P
[17:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: And if there was one it would get to 2.9tb before scrunching up
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> not a problem i have a pencil
[17:54] <penguin42> biros are better
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think i ever used a biro...
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> my hand writing was terrible _before_ i learned to program computers so my mother would not allow me to use biros
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> the extra friction from pencil and fountain pens made my hand writing more legible
[20:02] <foobarry> got my star wars stuff out today
[20:02] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/As5gmKgsPhC8UAmD7
[20:02] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/AhV9u5w8rbRb2nx28
[20:04] <penguin42> aren't the originals with boxes supposed to be worth something these days?
[20:06] <foobarry> the last 17 ROTJ figures are pretty valuable
[20:06] <foobarry> the xwing has a sticker sheet of unused stickers
[20:06] <foobarry> the box is a bit damaged
[20:07] <foobarry> i have a few last 17
[20:07] <foobarry> a wing pilot, yak face, etc. not on card but with guns in mint codnition
[21:19] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: surely all transfers to SATA or SAS disks are de facto slower than or equal to the speed of serial transfers, no?
[22:49] <penguin42> hmm, Manchester will be holding the International Clouds & Precipitation conference