[05:05] <Alton51> I happen to have a Dell Gateway 5000/5500 running Snappy, just updated.  Can't seem to get it to show anything available with "snappy search".
[05:05] <Alton51> It's ok, because I can use the Python that came with it.  Just curious to learn more about the things, and Snappy.
[08:39] <jospoortvliet> Alton51: a good start: https://github.com/owncloud/pi-image/wiki/Building-your-first-image
[08:39] <jospoortvliet> ;-)
[12:34] <qengho> Alton51: "snap find"?
[13:33] <oparoz> Is there a "force" flag to remove snaps which can't be removed?
[13:35] <ogra_> there is a purge command
[13:35] <ogra_> usually only the system snaps cant be removed though
[13:36] <oparoz> ogra_: The snap needs to be remove before it can be purged
[13:36] <ogra_> (kernel, rootfs and gadget)
[13:36] <oparoz> ogra_: I get an error when trying to remove the snap: remove /snaps/owncloud.sideload/LVSgNhfPknPQ/COPYING: read-only file system
[13:37] <ogra_> did you manually change anything in that dir ?
[13:37]  * ogra_ has only ever seen that in 15.04 whereyou
[13:38] <ogra_> could actually make it rw
[13:38] <oparoz> ogra_: No. I'm on 16.04
[13:38] <ogra_> weird
[13:38] <oparoz> ogra_: But I did use the fix mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1564369
[13:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1564369 in Snappy "sudo broken in latest classic" [Critical,Confirmed]
[13:38] <ogra_> sounds like a bug
[13:39] <ogra_> That mount shouldn't affect the removal though... but try to unmount it before snappy remove
[13:40] <oparoz> ogra_: I got the error when installing the snap, but things worked as expected
[13:40] <ogra_> the sudo bug is only about the classic shell
[13:40] <oparoz> ogra_: That's the error I get when installing: garbage collection impossible: prerequisites untrue: remove /snaps/owncloud.sideload/LVSgNhfPknPQ/COPYING: read-only file system
[13:41] <ogra_> (where you usually do not use the snappy command)
[13:41] <oparoz> ogra_: Yeah, I'm using two terminal windows
[13:42] <oparoz> one for classic and one for installing
[13:43] <ogra_> well, file a bug, I haven't seen anything like that before
[13:43] <oparoz> ogra_: OK
[13:46] <oparoz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1565476
[13:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1565476 in Snappy "Can't remove snap" [Undecided,New]
[13:50] <ogra_> Ah, at least there is a workaround
[13:50] <oparoz> ogra_: Yeah, maybe it was the mount thing or the purge command. I'll confirm once I run purge again
[13:50] <ogra_> k
[14:48] <oparoz> ogra_: purge is not required, happens automatially after a while,  especially when the snap has some forking processes
[14:50] <ogra_> Without purge your rw data persists... If you really want to remove the package thats the command to use... If you will later use a newer version you indeedwant to keep the data
[14:52] <oparoz> ogra_: Maybe but people wanting to disable a snap temporarily will be hit by this bug
[14:52] <oparoz> ogra_: And you can't purge without removing first
[14:53] <ogra_> That sounds like a bug too... purge should remove and wipe the data in one go
[14:54] <oparoz> ogra_: I get this: the given snap is still installed
[14:55] <ogra_> Yeah, thats what i'd call a usability bug ;)
[14:56] <oparoz> ogra_: :)
[14:57] <oparoz> ogra_: Ah, it works if I deactivate...
[14:57] <oparoz> ogra_: Ah, well, it's a mess, You can still use remove after purge... and the ro file is still there... I'll file a bug
[14:58] <ogra_> +1