[01:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...Can I call you flocculant for now?
[06:57] <flocculant> Unit193: you can call bluesabre flocculant if you want - not sure he'd want that though :p
[10:40] <knome> pleia2, i won't be around much today, and it isn't high priority at this point, but what do we want to do with HTTPS for xubuntu
[10:42] <knome> pleia2, for xubuntu.org of course :P
[10:42] <dkessel> use let's encrypt :)
[10:43]  * dkessel hides
[10:43] <knome> dkessel, we have a cert already...
[10:44] <knome> it's mostly just a matter of "do we want to move to HTTPS on default" and "what to do with the non-HTTPS extras.css"
[10:51] <knome> bbl
[11:59] <Unit193> New xubuntu-meta uploaded btw, nothing interesting.
[12:04] <bluesabre> morning all
[12:04] <Unit193> Howdy.
[12:04] <bluesabre> heya Unit193
[12:05] <flocculant> afternoon you two
[12:05] <bluesabre> hey bluesabre
[12:05] <bluesabre> I mean, flocculant
[12:06] <bluesabre> :D
[12:06] <flocculant> ha ha 
[12:06] <bluesabre> (figured we were trading, per Unit193's suggestion)
[12:07] <Unit193> I didn't say trade.
[12:07] <bluesabre> ah
[12:07] <bluesabre> two flocculants
[12:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - you'll be ok - not going to get much bug fixing going on if I'm you though :)
[12:07] <bluesabre> thats more efficientz!
[12:08] <bluesabre> tried to erase that z, but it was stubborn
[12:11] <Unit193> Doing an upgrade test from 15.10.
[12:13] <Unit193> It's...Technically in a VM but it was a real system before that.
[12:19] <bluesabre> :)
[12:19] <bluesabre> just did my round of voting
[12:19] <Unit193> Did you vote twice?
[12:19] <bluesabre> no?
[12:19] <Unit193> Tsk, tsk...
[12:19] <bluesabre> :D
[12:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: was it this we wanted to try out? http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit/?id=029012f4c39d9d3d9ae617491a69f76f54a4192f
[12:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: That looks right, it's in xubuntu-staging now.
[12:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: excellent
[13:18] <bluesabre> I think we no longer need gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps installed, can we do a few quick tests (uninstall, do things in parole) - everything seems functional for me
[13:20] <bluesabre> dropping that from the seed should remove -tools and build-essential and whatnot from the image (I think)
[13:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: how quick? 
[13:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: any time
[13:20] <bluesabre> it looks like I might be heading out shortly
[13:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: purged it - everything I use for any sort of media stuff still works - video and/or audio
[13:22] <flocculant> that quick enough? 
[13:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: oh dang, that was too late
[13:23] <bluesabre> :P
[13:23] <flocculant> :(
[13:23] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[13:24] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - what's the thunar commit supposed to fix - the losing files when copy issue? 
[13:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, should reduce the crashing that happens
[13:26] <flocculant> ok - I'll see if I can confirm it
[13:28] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks
[13:28] <bluesabre> if it looks to be as broken or less broken, reasonable for upload :D
[13:28] <bluesabre> can't get much worse, can only get better :D
[13:29] <flocculant> true enough :p
[13:32] <flocculant> actually ... 
[13:32] <bluesabre> uh oh
[13:32] <flocculant> dkessel: do you still see bug 1512120 ?
[13:32] <ubottu> bug 1512120 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashes on file renaming" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512120
[13:33] <flocculant> if so - can you try thunar from staging - has fix
[13:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: it's ok - I remember now - that's one of those I had problems confirming originally :)
[13:33] <bluesabre> can usually reproduce just by renaming a file a few times
[13:34] <flocculant> and as daniel reported it :)
[13:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - not happening for me - nor previously iirc
[13:35] <dkessel> thunar from staging? let me see what i have
[13:35] <flocculant> 1.6.10-2ppa1~16.04 is the one we're wanting to test :)
[13:37]  * flocculant gets the person who reported the same thing yesterday to try the ppa too
[13:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: right - ok can confirm the bug - unfortunately - in the fixed thunar
[13:43] <flocculant> hang on - the commit was for bug 11983
[13:43] <ubottu> bug 11983 in firefox (Ubuntu) "filechooser dialog: double-clicking surprise" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11983
[13:43] <flocculant> oh stupid
[13:43] <flocculant> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11983
[13:43] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11983 in general "Crash when moving files by drag and drop" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[13:43] <flocculant> that's drag and drop not renaming
[13:44] <flocculant> xfce 12264 is the renaming bug 
[13:44] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 12264 in core "Crash when renaming single file in folder" [Major,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264
[13:45] <dkessel> i don't get the renaming crash anymore with the staging ppa version. but also, i could not trigger it 100% reliable. but i guess it should have happend already with the broken version after all i just did...
[13:45] <flocculant> dkessel: I just did 
[13:46] <flocculant> so not fixed - but don't think that commit was for that anyway 
[13:46] <flocculant> Unit193 bluesabre ^^ 
[13:50] <bluesabre> flocculant: drag and drop, cut paste, rename - all move functionality, all related
[13:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - so - not fixed, it just crashed on me 
[13:51] <bluesabre> cool
[13:52] <flocculant> I obviously didn't rename enough times previously - probably just needed one more go ... 
[16:57] <Unit193> flocculant: Yeah it doesn't fix everything, just thinking it helps some.
[17:02] <flocculant> Unit193: right 
[17:02] <Unit193> And, it does seem to.
[17:02] <flocculant> well 
[17:03] <flocculant> I got the crash renaming 
[17:03] <flocculant> I don't appear to have the crash moving - but haven't seen that for a while
[17:04] <flocculant> going to be a list of thunar issues on the notes I guess
[17:04] <knome> let's hope we can get stuff fixed for .1 at latest
[17:06] <flocculant> knome: ack
[17:12] <knome> or if possible, final release...
[17:12] <knome> bluesabre, does it sound completely unrealistic that you would have time to look at the thunar bugs before release?
[17:12] <knome> bluesabre, or is the problem lack of knowledge in any area required?
[19:56] <bluesabre> knome: lack of knowledge, I don't have any skill with the glib/threading code that may (or may not) be at the source of the issue
[20:01] <knome> do we know anybody that might know something about that, even outside xfce?
[23:24] <bluesabre> knome: probably the easiest thing to do, is go back to thunar 1.6.3~ish and cherry pick important patches